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#83 From: SHILPA SHIVARAM <shilvrinda@...>
Date: Sun Jan 7, 2007 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: Re: How do you test each arthimetic unit seperatly?
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Hi jidan,
           We are having trouble inputting the numbers.How do you input the floating point numbers? We are doing it in VHDL language.How do we convert the decimal numbers to binary numbers? .


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#82 From: "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@...>
Date: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:44 am
Subject: Re: How do you test each arthimetic unit seperatly?
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The warning messages are harmless. Regarding the deactivation, I have
uploaded a FAQ file with the question you asked and of course the answer.

Cheers,
Jidan

--- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "Ahmed Nour" <ahmed.nour@...> wrote:
>
> The deactivation part is what I am after :)
> How do I deactivate everything except the multiplier for example.
>
> p.s The FPU synthesizes with around 260 Warning in Synopsys. Also, a big
> chunk of the warnings are about "registers that are constants".
>
>
>
> On 12/27/06, Jidan Al-Eryani <jidan@...> wrote:
> >
> >   Oh sorry... Snyplfiy and Synopsys sounded the same to me and I
was tired
> > when I read it ;) Anyway,the VHDL code should be synthesisable without
> > regard to what software you use, thats why you have standards.
Best thing is
> > just to try it.
> >
> > Regarding your second question: *How do you test each arthimetic unit
> > seperatly?*
> >
> >
> > *Answer:*
> > If you go to folder "test_bench" you will find readme.txt, there
it says:
> >
> > *To test the FPU core, do the following:
> >
> > 1)    Build timesoftfloat.exe for your specific platform(read
instructions
> > in folder SoftFloat for howto do that).
> >     Before you do that, try the already included file.
> >
> > 2)    Create the testcases by running maketest.bat in folder
test_bench.
> > Default value is 100000 cases for each
> >     arithmetic operation and for each rounding mode. This comes up
to 2
> > million test cases.
> >
> > 3)     run fpusim.bat to simulate and test the FPU core using
modelsim.*
> >
> > Step 2) creates the testcases by executing maketest.bat. So, all
you have
> > to do is edit this file. For example, if you want to test just the
> > multiplication unit, this file should contain only those files:
> >
> > *timesoftfloat -nearesteven float32_mul > testcases.txt
> > timesoftfloat -tozero float32_mul >> testcases.txt
> > timesoftfloat -up float32_mul >> testcases.txt
> > timesoftfloat -down float32_mul >> testcases.txt*
> >
> > Four lines for each rounding mode.
> >
> > BTW, if you actually want to operate the FPU with, for example,
just the
> > multiplier, you can deactivate all other units with no problem as all
> > arthimetic units are indepenant from each other. This way you can save
> > silicon area.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jidan
> >
> > --- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --Ahmad Nour answered (through emailing me) with:
> > >
> > > Thanks Jidan for your time.
> > > But I am not talking about synplify, I am talking about Synopsys (
> > > ASIC / Std. cell ) design compiler.
> > > As for the testbenchs, I am not clear I can find the testbenchs. Is
> > > there a testbench that can check the functionality of the Multiplier
> > > as a standalone entity, not inside the FPU ? If yes, then please
> > > direct me to where I can find it.
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > --- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "Jidan Al-Eryani" jidan@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "nour_ahmed" <ahmed.nour@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > I am trying to synthesis the FPU using standard cells. I am
> > wondering
> > > > > if someone has had the chance to do it before using
design_compiler
> > > > > from synopsys ?
> > > > >
> > > > > I am also wondering if I need to test subcomponents, like the
> > > > > multiplier , adder or divider, are there any testbenches
available
> > to
> > > > > these components ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > Ahmed Youssef
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > All your questions are already answered in the FPU
documentation. Here
> > > > the answers again:
> > > > 1)Yes, it works with synplify.
> > > > 2)Yes, there are testbenches.
> > > >
> > > > Jidan
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

#81 From: "Ahmed Nour" <ahmed.nour@...>
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:34 am
Subject: Re: How do you test each arthimetic unit seperatly?
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The deactivation part is what I am after :)
How do I deactivate everything except the multiplier for example.

p.s The FPU synthesizes with around 260 Warning in Synopsys. Also, a big chunk of the warnings are about "registers that are constants".



On 12/27/06, Jidan Al-Eryani <jidan@...> wrote:

Oh sorry... Snyplfiy and Synopsys sounded the same to me and I was tired when I read it ;) Anyway,the VHDL code should be synthesisable without regard to what software you use, thats why you have standards. Best thing is just to try it.

Regarding your second question: How do you test each arthimetic unit seperatly?

 
Answer:
If you go to folder "test_bench" you will find readme.txt, there it says:

To test the FPU core, do the following:

1)    Build timesoftfloat.exe for your specific platform(read instructions in folder SoftFloat for howto do that).
    Before you do that, try the already included file.
   
2)    Create the testcases by running maketest.bat in folder test_bench. Default value is 100000 cases for each
    arithmetic operation and for each rounding mode. This comes up to 2 million test cases.

3)     run fpusim.bat to simulate and test the FPU core using modelsim.


Step 2) creates the testcases by executing maketest.bat. So, all you have to do is edit this file. For example, if you want to test just the multiplication unit, this file should contain only those files:

timesoftfloat -nearesteven float32_mul > testcases.txt
timesoftfloat -tozero float32_mul >> testcases.txt
timesoftfloat -up float32_mul >> testcases.txt
timesoftfloat -down float32_mul >> testcases.txt


Four lines for each rounding mode.

BTW, if you actually want to operate the FPU with, for example, just the multiplier, you can deactivate all other units with no problem as all arthimetic units are indepenant from each other. This way you can save silicon area.

Cheers,
Jidan

--- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@...> wrote:
>
> --Ahmad Nour answered (through emailing me) with:
>
> Thanks Jidan for your time.
> But I am not talking about synplify, I am talking about Synopsys (
> ASIC / Std. cell ) design compiler.
> As for the testbenchs, I am not clear I can find the testbenchs. Is
> there a testbench that can check the functionality of the Multiplier
> as a standalone entity, not inside the FPU ? If yes, then please
> direct me to where I can find it.
> Thanks
>
> --- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "Jidan Al-Eryani" jidan@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "nour_ahmed" <ahmed.nour@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > > I am trying to synthesis the FPU using standard cells. I am wondering
> > > if someone has had the chance to do it before using design_compiler
> > > from synopsys ?
> > >
> > > I am also wondering if I need to test subcomponents, like the
> > > multiplier , adder or divider, are there any testbenches available to
> > > these components ?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > > Ahmed Youssef
> > >
> >
> > All your questions are already answered in the FPU documentation. Here
> > the answers again:
> > 1)Yes, it works with synplify.
> > 2)Yes, there are testbenches.
> >
> > Jidan
> >
>



#80 From: "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@...>
Date: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:10 am
Subject: How do you test each arthimetic unit seperatly?
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Oh sorry... Snyplfiy and Synopsys sounded the same to me and I was tired when I read it ;) Anyway,the VHDL code should be synthesisable without regard to what software you use, thats why you have standards. Best thing is just to try it.

Regarding your second question: How do you test each arthimetic unit seperatly?

 
Answer:
If you go to folder "test_bench" you will find readme.txt, there it says:

To test the FPU core, do the following:

1)    Build timesoftfloat.exe for your specific platform(read instructions in folder SoftFloat for howto do that).
    Before you do that, try the already included file.
   
2)    Create the testcases by running maketest.bat in folder test_bench. Default value is 100000 cases for each
    arithmetic operation and for each rounding mode. This comes up to 2 million test cases.

3)     run fpusim.bat to simulate and test the FPU core using modelsim.


Step 2) creates the testcases by executing maketest.bat. So, all you have to do is edit this file. For example, if you want to test just the multiplication unit, this file should contain only those files:

timesoftfloat -nearesteven float32_mul > testcases.txt
timesoftfloat -tozero float32_mul >> testcases.txt
timesoftfloat -up float32_mul >> testcases.txt
timesoftfloat -down float32_mul >> testcases.txt


Four lines for each rounding mode.

BTW, if you actually want to operate the FPU with, for example, just the multiplier, you can deactivate all other units with no problem as all arthimetic units are indepenant from each other. This way you can save silicon area.

Cheers,
Jidan

--- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@...> wrote:
>
> --Ahmad Nour answered (through emailing me) with:
>
> Thanks Jidan for your time.
> But I am not talking about synplify, I am talking about Synopsys (
> ASIC / Std. cell ) design compiler.
> As for the testbenchs, I am not clear I can find the testbenchs. Is
> there a testbench that can check the functionality of the Multiplier
> as a standalone entity, not inside the FPU ? If yes, then please
> direct me to where I can find it.
> Thanks
>
> --- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "Jidan Al-Eryani" jidan@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "nour_ahmed" <ahmed.nour@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > > I am trying to synthesis the FPU using standard cells. I am wondering
> > > if someone has had the chance to do it before using design_compiler
> > > from synopsys ?
> > >
> > > I am also wondering if I need to test subcomponents, like the
> > > multiplier , adder or divider, are there any testbenches available to
> > > these components ?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > > Ahmed Youssef
> > >
> >
> > All your questions are already answered in the FPU documentation. Here
> > the answers again:
> > 1)Yes, it works with synplify.
> > 2)Yes, there are testbenches.
> >
> > Jidan
> >
>

#79 From: "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@...>
Date: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:46 pm
Subject: Re: Standard Cells and FPU subcomponents
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--Ahmad Nour answered (through emailing me) with:

Thanks Jidan for your time.
But I am not talking about synplify, I am talking about Synopsys (
ASIC / Std. cell ) design compiler.
As for the testbenchs, I am not clear I can find the testbenchs. Is
there a testbench that can check the functionality of the Multiplier
as a standalone entity, not inside the FPU ? If yes, then please
direct me to where I can find it.
Thanks

--- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@...> wrote:
>
> --- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "nour_ahmed" <ahmed.nour@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> > I am trying to synthesis the FPU using standard cells. I am wondering
> > if someone has had the chance to do it before using design_compiler
> > from synopsys ?
> >
> > I am also wondering if I need to test subcomponents, like the
> > multiplier , adder or divider, are there any testbenches available to
> > these components ?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Ahmed Youssef
> >
>
> All your questions are already answered in the FPU documentation. Here
> the answers again:
> 1)Yes, it works with synplify.
> 2)Yes, there are testbenches.
>
> Jidan
>

#78 From: "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@...>
Date: Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: Standard Cells and FPU subcomponents
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--- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "nour_ahmed" <ahmed.nour@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I am trying to synthesis the FPU using standard cells. I am wondering
> if someone has had the chance to do it before using design_compiler
> from synopsys ?
>
> I am also wondering if I need to test subcomponents, like the
> multiplier , adder or divider, are there any testbenches available to
> these components ?
>
> Thanks.
> Ahmed Youssef
>

All your questions are already answered in the FPU documentation. Here
the answers again:
1)Yes, it works with synplify.
2)Yes, there are testbenches.

Jidan

#77 From: "nour_ahmed" <ahmed.nour@...>
Date: Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:32 pm
Subject: Standard Cells and FPU subcomponents
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Hi All,
I am trying to synthesis the FPU using standard cells. I am wondering
if someone has had the chance to do it before using design_compiler
from synopsys ?

I am also wondering if I need to test subcomponents, like the
multiplier , adder or divider, are there any testbenches available to
these components ?

Thanks.
Ahmed Youssef

#76 From: "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@...>
Date: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:05 am
Subject: Re: implimenting this on an xilinx fpga?
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Hi,

I haven't tried it on Xilinx yet. The XC3S400 has 8064 Equivelnt Logic
Cells (LC). On Altera Cyclone, the FPU took about 4400 LC's, with the
square-root deactivted, about 3500 LC's. So, if it was the same as
Cyclone, you should have sufficient space for a simple CPU (with
MicroBlaze definatly). As martin said, its best to check it out
yourself with Xilinix ISE.
Cheers,
Jidan

<achiestdragon@...> wrote:
>
> hi wonder if anyone has this working on a xilinx fpga
> and how mutch room it would take up
>
> spesificaly a xs3s400
> i need to know how mutch room would be left for other things
> like a cpu and i/o
>
> David
>

#75 From: "Martin Schoeberl" <martin@...>
Date: Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:58 am
Subject: Re: implimenting this on an xilinx fpga?
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> hi wonder if anyone has this working on a xilinx fpga
> and how mutch room it would take up

The numbers should be very similar. Just try is out
in your ISE.

>
> spesificaly a xs3s400
> i need to know how mutch room would be left for other things
> like a cpu and i/o

not very much. Perhaps the FPU will not fit into the xs3s400.

Martin

#74 From: "lostaccountagainsostuckwiththis" <achiestdragon@...>
Date: Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:35 am
Subject: implimenting this on an xilinx fpga?
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hi wonder if anyone has this working on a xilinx fpga
and how mutch room it would take up

spesificaly a xs3s400
i need to know how mutch room would be left for other things
like a cpu and i/o

David

#73 From: "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@...>
Date: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:31 pm
Subject: Re: 64-bit FPU
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Hi,

I am sorry for replying late. Unfortunatly, I also don't know any
64-bit FPU. But I can tell you that changing a 32-bit(signle
precision) FPU to a 64-bit (double precision), is not that hard.

Cheers,
Jidan

--- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "fernanp2000" <fernanp2000@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> How easy/hard is it to program a 64-bit FPU ?
> Also is it possible to get an open source 64-bit FPU ?
>
>
> Thanks
>

#72 From: "fernanp2000" <fernanp2000@...>
Date: Sat Dec 2, 2006 8:32 pm
Subject: RE: 64-bit FPU
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Hi,

How easy/hard is it to program a 64-bit FPU ?
Also is it possible to get an open source 64-bit FPU ?


Thanks

#71 From: "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@...>
Date: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:05 am
Subject: Re: REM
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No, I think all you have to do is shift right/left.
I suggest you try a simple division that can be calculated by pencil
and paper, then you check what rmndr_i looks like. Looking in the
divider unit (serial_div.vhd) might make a couple of things clear.
Unfortunatly, if you would have asked me 1 month earlier about the
reminder, I might have written the code for you, since I did have the
time.

--- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "stevenj_jin" <stevenj_jin@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Jidan,
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> IEEE764 defines remainder as x - ny, where n is an integer
> closest to x/y.
>
> I am having trouble getting softfloat value of rem from
> rmndr_i. Do you think perhaps I need to divide again
> with a new integer value I get from the first division cycle
> and get the remainder?
>
> Thank you,
> Steven
>
> --- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "stevenj_jin" <stevenj_jin@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Can anyone shed a light on how to implement a floating point
> > > remainder(FMOD) from this 32bit FPU module?
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > Hi,
> > Actually, the reminder is already there! Check rmndr_i in
> > post_norm_div.vhd. I think all you have to do is postnorm it. I
> should
> >  have done it myself, but I just didn't find the time, and it
> wasn't
> > part of my project assignemnt,but I will add it sometime in the
> future.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jidan
> >
>

#70 From: "stevenj_jin" <stevenj_jin@...>
Date: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:20 am
Subject: Re: REM
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Hello Jidan,

Thank you for your reply.

IEEE764 defines remainder as x - ny, where n is an integer
closest to x/y.

I am having trouble getting softfloat value of rem from
rmndr_i. Do you think perhaps I need to divide again
with a new integer value I get from the first division cycle
and get the remainder?

Thank you,
Steven

--- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "stevenj_jin" <stevenj_jin@>
wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone shed a light on how to implement a floating point
> > remainder(FMOD) from this 32bit FPU module?
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> Hi,
> Actually, the reminder is already there! Check rmndr_i in
> post_norm_div.vhd. I think all you have to do is postnorm it. I
should
>  have done it myself, but I just didn't find the time, and it
wasn't
> part of my project assignemnt,but I will add it sometime in the
future.
>
> Cheers,
> Jidan
>

#69 From: "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@...>
Date: Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: REM
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--- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "stevenj_jin" <stevenj_jin@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone shed a light on how to implement a floating point
> remainder(FMOD) from this 32bit FPU module?
>
> Thank you
>
Hi,
Actually, the reminder is already there! Check rmndr_i in
post_norm_div.vhd. I think all you have to do is postnorm it. I should
  have done it myself, but I just didn't find the time, and it wasn't
part of my project assignemnt,but I will add it sometime in the future.

Cheers,
Jidan

#67 From: "stevenj_jin" <stevenj_jin@...>
Date: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:02 am
Subject: REM
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Can anyone shed a light on how to implement a floating point
remainder(FMOD) from this 32bit FPU module?

Thank you

#64 From: "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@...>
Date: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:58 pm
Subject: Re: Verilog code for high speed Floating point unit(adders)
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--- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "pal4vlsi" <pal4vlsi@...> wrote:
>
> hii..
>
>  I was given a project of designing high speed 32-bit floating point
> adders using VERILOG..
>  I am confused on whether to check for the
> exceptions(infinity,NaN,....) before comparing exponents or after
> addition of two no.s.

You check for exception before AND after.

>  I have to submit the code by next week and am running short of time.
> i will be indebted to you if you provide source code for Floating
> point adders (in Verilog)
>

Sorry, but mine is in VHDL.

#61 From: "pal4vlsi" <pal4vlsi@...>
Date: Thu Nov 9, 2006 8:27 am
Subject: Verilog code for high speed Floating point unit(adders)
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hii..

  I was given a project of designing high speed 32-bit floating point
adders using VERILOG..
  I am confused on whether to check for the
exceptions(infinity,NaN,....) before comparing exponents or after
addition of two no.s.
  I have to submit the code by next week and am running short of time.
i will be indebted to you if you provide source code for Floating
point adders (in Verilog)

#57 From: "Gerhard Burger" <geburger@...>
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:57 pm
Subject: RE: Re: How to use the floating point library
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Hello Jidan

 

Thank you very much for your infos and the hints to the solution to my problem. From the point of theory I think to understand your suggestions. Now I am going to try to realize it. I hope I am successful and will come back with some feedback.

 

Thanks again for your fast response and friendliness


Geri

 


From: 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com [mailto:32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jidan Al-Eryani
Sent: Donnerstag, 19. Oktober 2006 17:06
To: 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [32bit_fpu] Re: How to use the floating point library

 

Hello Geri,

> But now, these are libraries but how should a program look like for
example
> to solve the equation y = Sqrt(a * b);?

Now, you have just to input the operands and control signals. See
"tb_fpu.vhd" in the directory test_bench for how this is done. The
above operation is actually two operations.
1) mulitply a by b
2) sqrt the answer

For example, the square root is done as following:

start_i <= '1';
opa_i <= "01000001001000000000000000000000"; --10
fpu_op_i <= "100"; --set arthemtic operation. Here square root.
rmode_i <= "00"; --set rounding mode. Here round to nearest even
wait for CLK_PERIOD; -- wait for one clock cycle then...
start_i <= '0'; --Note that the FPU starts calculating the operands at
the input after the start signal goes 0.
wait until ready_o='1'; --when the ready signal goes 1, you know that
the answer at the ouput register is ready

Note: Replace the "wait" command with hardware friendly commands, e.g.
a state machine. Tell me if you have understood it now. The easy
questions are always the most important questions :-)

Cheers,
Jidan


--- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "Gerhard Burger" <geburger@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Jidan
>
>
>
> Than you for your help. OK, I understand . I know the documentation
and did
> it according to the suggested order but I also added the test bench:-).
>
>
>
> But now, these are libraries but how should a program look like for
example
> to solve the equation y = Sqrt(a * b);?
>
>
>
> Thank you again and sorry for the maybe easy questions.
>
>
>
> Geri
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com [mailto:32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
> Of Jidan Al-Eryani
> Sent: Donnerstag, 19. Oktober 2006 13:42
> To: 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [32bit_fpu] Re: How to use the floating point library
>
>
>
> The mistakes you have done are:
>
> 1) You tried to synthesize simulation files! Simulation files are only
> for simulation in a digital simulator like modelsim, they are not for
> hardware. Don't synthesize anything in the folder "test_bench".
>
> 2) There is a specified order in which you should compile your files.
> See p.18 in the included doc.
>
> Cheers,
> Jidan
>
> --- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogrou <mailto:32bit_fpu%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com, Geri
> Frick <gcoolfire@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Jidan
> >
> > Thank you for your response. I am using MS-Windows Professional.
> >
> > In Quartus, Version 5.0 I get the following messages:
> >
> > Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file
> sqrt.vhd
> > Info: Found design unit 1: sqrt-rtl
> > Info: Found entity 1: sqrt
> > Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file
> post_norm_sqrt.vhd
> > Info: Found design unit 1: post_norm_sqrt-rtl
> > Info: Found entity 1: post_norm_sqrt
> > Info: Found 1 design units, including 0 entities, in source file
> comppack.vhd
> > Info: Found design unit 1: comppack
> > Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file
fpu.vhd
> > Info: Found design unit 1: fpu-rtl
> > Info: Found entity 1: fpu
> > Info: Elaborating entity "tb_fpu" for the top level hierarchy
> > Warning: Verilog HDL or VHDL warning at tb_fpu.vhd(159):
> combinational loop found on net clk_i.
> > Error: VHDL Wait Statement error at tb_fpu.vhd(167): Wait Statement
> must contain condition clause with UNTIL keyword
> > Error: Can't elaborate top-level user hierarchy
> > Error: Quartus II Analysis & Synthesis was unsuccessful. 2 errors, 1
> warning
> > Error: Processing ended: Wed Oct 18 23:53:43 2006
> > Error: Elapsed time: 00:00:06
> > Error: Quartus II Full Compilation was unsuccessful. 2 errors, 1
warning
> >
> >
> > Attached a screen shot of Quartus
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much for your feedback an help
> >
> > Geri
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo!
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>


#56 From: "Martin Schoeberl" <martin@...>
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:39 pm
Subject: Re: Re: How to use the floating point library
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>> But now, these are libraries but how should a program look like for
> example
>> to solve the equation y = Sqrt(a * b);?
>
> Now, you have just to input the operands and control signals. See
> "tb_fpu.vhd" in the directory test_bench for how this is done. The

Mmh, you stated that the testbench (tb_fpu) should not
be synthesized and now you're suggesting to use it?

> For example, the square root is done as following:
>
> start_i <= '1';
> opa_i <= "01000001001000000000000000000000";  --10
> fpu_op_i <= "100"; --set arthemtic operation. Here square root.
> rmode_i <= "00"; --set rounding mode. Here round to nearest even
******
> wait for CLK_PERIOD; -- wait for one clock cycle then...
******
> start_i <= '0'; --Note that the FPU starts calculating the operands at
> the input after the start signal goes 0.
******
> wait until ready_o='1'; --when the ready signal goes 1, you know that
******
> the answer at the ouput register is ready

> Note: Replace the "wait" command with hardware friendly commands, e.g.

That's actual the main issue!
Perhaps you can provide the state machine example instead
of a testbench to show how to use the FPU for an actual
problem that the OP wants to solve.

Martin

#55 From: "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@...>
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: How to use the floating point library
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Hello Geri,

> But now, these are libraries but how should a program look like for
example
> to solve the equation y = Sqrt(a * b);?

Now, you have just to input the operands and control signals. See
"tb_fpu.vhd" in the directory test_bench for how this is done. The
above operation is actually two operations.
1) mulitply a by b
2) sqrt the answer

For example, the square root is done as following:

start_i <= '1';
opa_i <= "01000001001000000000000000000000";  --10
fpu_op_i <= "100"; --set arthemtic operation. Here square root.
rmode_i <= "00"; --set rounding mode. Here round to nearest even
wait for CLK_PERIOD; -- wait for one clock cycle then...
start_i <= '0'; --Note that the FPU starts calculating the operands at
the input after the start signal goes 0.
wait until ready_o='1'; --when the ready signal goes 1, you know that
the answer at the ouput register is ready

Note: Replace the "wait" command with hardware friendly commands, e.g.
a state machine. Tell me if you have understood it now. The easy
questions are always the most important questions :-)

Cheers,
Jidan


--- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "Gerhard Burger" <geburger@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Jidan
>
>
>
> Than you for your help. OK, I understand . I know the documentation
and did
> it according to the suggested order but I also added the test bench:-).
>
>
>
> But now, these are libraries but how should a program look like for
example
> to solve the equation y = Sqrt(a * b);?
>
>
>
> Thank you again and sorry for the maybe easy questions.
>
>
>
> Geri
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com [mailto:32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
> Of Jidan Al-Eryani
> Sent: Donnerstag, 19. Oktober 2006 13:42
> To: 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [32bit_fpu] Re: How to use the floating point library
>
>
>
> The mistakes you have done are:
>
> 1) You tried to synthesize simulation files! Simulation files are only
> for simulation in a digital simulator like modelsim, they are not for
> hardware. Don't synthesize anything in the folder "test_bench".
>
> 2) There is a specified order in which you should compile your files.
> See p.18 in the included doc.
>
> Cheers,
> Jidan
>
> --- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogrou <mailto:32bit_fpu%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com, Geri
> Frick <gcoolfire@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Jidan
> >
> > Thank you for your response. I am using MS-Windows Professional.
> >
> > In Quartus, Version 5.0 I get the following messages:
> >
> > Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file
> sqrt.vhd
> > Info: Found design unit 1: sqrt-rtl
> > Info: Found entity 1: sqrt
> > Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file
> post_norm_sqrt.vhd
> > Info: Found design unit 1: post_norm_sqrt-rtl
> > Info: Found entity 1: post_norm_sqrt
> > Info: Found 1 design units, including 0 entities, in source file
> comppack.vhd
> > Info: Found design unit 1: comppack
> > Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file
fpu.vhd
> > Info: Found design unit 1: fpu-rtl
> > Info: Found entity 1: fpu
> > Info: Elaborating entity "tb_fpu" for the top level hierarchy
> > Warning: Verilog HDL or VHDL warning at tb_fpu.vhd(159):
> combinational loop found on net clk_i.
> > Error: VHDL Wait Statement error at tb_fpu.vhd(167): Wait Statement
> must contain condition clause with UNTIL keyword
> > Error: Can't elaborate top-level user hierarchy
> > Error: Quartus II Analysis & Synthesis was unsuccessful. 2 errors, 1
> warning
> > Error: Processing ended: Wed Oct 18 23:53:43 2006
> > Error: Elapsed time: 00:00:06
> > Error: Quartus II Full Compilation was unsuccessful. 2 errors, 1
warning
> >
> >
> > Attached a screen shot of Quartus
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much for your feedback an help
> >
> > Geri
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo!
> Mail: http://mail. <http://mail.yahoo.de> yahoo.de
> >
>

#54 From: "Gerhard Burger" <geburger@...>
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:10 pm
Subject: RE: Re: How to use the floating point library
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Hello Jidan

 

Than you for your help. OK, I understand . I know the documentation and did it according to the suggested order but I also added the test benchJ.

 

But now, these are libraries but how should a program look like for example to solve the equation y = Sqrt(a * b);?

 

Thank you again and sorry for the maybe easy questions.

 

Geri

 


From: 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com [mailto:32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jidan Al-Eryani
Sent: Donnerstag, 19. Oktober 2006 13:42
To: 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [32bit_fpu] Re: How to use the floating point library

 

The mistakes you have done are:

1) You tried to synthesize simulation files! Simulation files are only
for simulation in a digital simulator like modelsim, they are not for
hardware. Don't synthesize anything in the folder "test_bench".

2) There is a specified order in which you should compile your files.
See p.18 in the included doc.

Cheers,
Jidan

--- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, Geri Frick <gcoolfire@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Jidan
>
> Thank you for your response. I am using MS-Windows Professional.
>
> In Quartus, Version 5.0 I get the following messages:
>
> Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file
sqrt.vhd
> Info: Found design unit 1: sqrt-rtl
> Info: Found entity 1: sqrt
> Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file
post_norm_sqrt.vhd
> Info: Found design unit 1: post_norm_sqrt-rtl
> Info: Found entity 1: post_norm_sqrt
> Info: Found 1 design units, including 0 entities, in source file
comppack.vhd
> Info: Found design unit 1: comppack
> Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file fpu.vhd
> Info: Found design unit 1: fpu-rtl
> Info: Found entity 1: fpu
> Info: Elaborating entity "tb_fpu" for the top level hierarchy
> Warning: Verilog HDL or VHDL warning at tb_fpu.vhd(159):
combinational loop found on net clk_i.
> Error: VHDL Wait Statement error at tb_fpu.vhd(167): Wait Statement
must contain condition clause with UNTIL keyword
> Error: Can't elaborate top-level user hierarchy
> Error: Quartus II Analysis & Synthesis was unsuccessful. 2 errors, 1
warning
> Error: Processing ended: Wed Oct 18 23:53:43 2006
> Error: Elapsed time: 00:00:06
> Error: Quartus II Full Compilation was unsuccessful. 2 errors, 1 warning
>
>
> Attached a screen shot of Quartus
>
>
> Thank you very much for your feedback an help
>
> Geri
>
>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo!
Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de
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#53 From: "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@...>
Date: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:41 am
Subject: Re: How to use the floating point library
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The mistakes you have done are:

1) You tried to synthesize simulation files! Simulation files are only
for simulation in a digital simulator like modelsim, they are not for
hardware. Don't synthesize anything in the folder "test_bench".

2) There is a specified order in which you should compile your files.
See p.18 in the included doc.


Cheers,
Jidan

--- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, Geri Frick <gcoolfire@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Jidan
>
> Thank you for your response. I am using MS-Windows Professional.
>
> In Quartus, Version 5.0 I get the following messages:
>
> Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file
sqrt.vhd
>             Info: Found design unit 1: sqrt-rtl
>             Info: Found entity 1: sqrt
> Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file
post_norm_sqrt.vhd
>             Info: Found design unit 1: post_norm_sqrt-rtl
>             Info: Found entity 1: post_norm_sqrt
> Info: Found 1 design units, including 0 entities, in source file
comppack.vhd
>             Info: Found design unit 1: comppack
> Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file fpu.vhd
>             Info: Found design unit 1: fpu-rtl
>             Info: Found entity 1: fpu
> Info: Elaborating entity "tb_fpu" for the top level hierarchy
> Warning: Verilog HDL or VHDL warning at tb_fpu.vhd(159):
combinational loop found on net clk_i.
> Error: VHDL Wait Statement error at tb_fpu.vhd(167): Wait Statement
must contain condition clause with UNTIL keyword
> Error: Can't elaborate top-level user hierarchy
> Error: Quartus II Analysis & Synthesis was unsuccessful. 2 errors, 1
warning
>             Error: Processing ended: Wed Oct 18 23:53:43 2006
>             Error: Elapsed time: 00:00:06
> Error: Quartus II Full Compilation was unsuccessful. 2 errors, 1 warning
>
>
> Attached a screen shot of Quartus
>
>
> Thank you very much for your feedback an help
>
> Geri
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo!
Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de
>

#52 From: "Gerhard Burger" <geburger@...>
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:46 pm
Subject: FW: Re: How to use the floating point library
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Hello Jidan

 

Thank you for your response. I am using MS-Windows Professional.

 

In Quartus, Version 5.0 I get the following messages:

 

Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file sqrt.vhd

            Info: Found design unit 1: sqrt-rtl

            Info: Found entity 1: sqrt

Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file post_norm_sqrt.vhd

            Info: Found design unit 1: post_norm_sqrt-rtl

            Info: Found entity 1: post_norm_sqrt

Info: Found 1 design units, including 0 entities, in source file comppack.vhd

            Info: Found design unit 1: comppack

Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file fpu.vhd

            Info: Found design unit 1: fpu-rtl

            Info: Found entity 1: fpu

Info: Elaborating entity "tb_fpu" for the top level hierarchy

Warning: Verilog HDL or VHDL warning at tb_fpu.vhd(159): combinational loop found on net clk_i.

Error: VHDL Wait Statement error at tb_fpu.vhd(167): Wait Statement must contain condition clause with UNTIL keyword

Error: Can't elaborate top-level user hierarchy

Error: Quartus II Analysis & Synthesis was unsuccessful. 2 errors, 1 warning

            Error: Processing ended: Wed Oct 18 23:53:43 2006

            Error: Elapsed time: 00:00:06

Error: Quartus II Full Compilation was unsuccessful. 2 errors, 1 warning

 

 

Attached a screen shot of Quartus

 

 

Thank you very much for your feedback an help

 

Geri


#51 From: Geri Frick <gcoolfire@...>
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:30 pm
Subject: RE: Re: How to use the floating point library
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Hello Jidan

Thank you for your response. I am using MS-Windows Professional.

In Quartus, Version 5.0 I get the following messages:

Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file sqrt.vhd
             Info: Found design unit 1: sqrt-rtl
             Info: Found entity 1: sqrt
Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file
post_norm_sqrt.vhd
             Info: Found design unit 1: post_norm_sqrt-rtl
             Info: Found entity 1: post_norm_sqrt
Info: Found 1 design units, including 0 entities, in source file comppack.vhd
             Info: Found design unit 1: comppack
Info: Found 2 design units, including 1 entities, in source file fpu.vhd
             Info: Found design unit 1: fpu-rtl
             Info: Found entity 1: fpu
Info: Elaborating entity "tb_fpu" for the top level hierarchy
Warning: Verilog HDL or VHDL warning at tb_fpu.vhd(159): combinational loop
found on net clk_i.
Error: VHDL Wait Statement error at tb_fpu.vhd(167): Wait Statement must contain
condition clause with UNTIL keyword
Error: Can't elaborate top-level user hierarchy
Error: Quartus II Analysis & Synthesis was unsuccessful. 2 errors, 1 warning
             Error: Processing ended: Wed Oct 18 23:53:43 2006
             Error: Elapsed time: 00:00:06
Error: Quartus II Full Compilation was unsuccessful. 2 errors, 1 warning


Attached a screen shot of Quartus


Thank you very much for your feedback an help

Geri






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#50 From: "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@...>
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:26 pm
Subject: Re: How to use the floating point library
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Hi Geri,

Can you please tell me what OS you are using and what the error
message was?

Cheers,
Jidan

--- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "Geri" <gcoolfire@...> wrote:
>
> Hello together
>
> I am newbie in FPGA programming and after reading the theory and
> trying some small projects in Quartus II and the Cyclone
> EP1C6Q22408C I tried to do mathematics with floating point. In my
> case I try to calculate the equation
>
> y:=sqrt(a*b);
>
> So I found this very interesting floating point library in the
> internet but although reading the documentation I am not able to get
> it running in Quartus with my knowledge. I would be very happy if
> someone olf you would be so kind and send me me a link or a zipped
> file to/with a very small project. The included batch file also does
> not work in my case.
>
> Thank your very much for your help and I would really be happy if I
> get your library working
>
> Geri
>

#49 From: "Geri" <gcoolfire@...>
Date: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:35 am
Subject: How to use the floating point library
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Hello together

I am newbie in FPGA programming and after reading the theory and
trying some small projects in Quartus II and the Cyclone
EP1C6Q22408C I tried to do mathematics with floating point. In my
case I try to calculate the equation

y:=sqrt(a*b);

So I found this very interesting floating point library in the
internet but although reading the documentation I am not able to get
it running in Quartus with my knowledge. I would be very happy if
someone olf you would be so kind and send me me a link or a zipped
file to/with a very small project. The included batch file also does
not work in my case.

Thank your very much for your help and I would really be happy if I
get your library working

Geri

#43 From: "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@...>
Date: Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:39 am
Subject: Re: Altera Cyclone F324C6 with NIOSII processor mult and div failes
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Hello diode1,

After the "ready_o" signal goes high, the value stored in the output
register should NOT change unless you put the "start_i" signal high.

Cheers,
Jidan

--- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "diode1" <always_friend@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Jidan,
>       I modified fpu.vhd stage machine, so the ready state stays until
> next reset.
>
>  -- FSM
>  process(clk_i)
>  begin
> 	 if rising_edge(clk_i) then
> 		 if s_start_i ='1' then
> 			 s_state <= busy;
> 			 s_count <= 0;
> 		 -- change - added JR
> 			 ready_o <= '0';
> 		 elsif s_count=5 and ((fpu_op_i="000") or (fpu_op_i="001")) then
> 			 s_state <= waiting;
> 			 ready_o <= '1';
> 			 s_count <=0;
> 		 elsif s_count=MUL_COUNT and fpu_op_i="010" then
> 			 s_state <= waiting;
> 			 ready_o <= '1';
> 			 s_count <=0;
> 		 elsif s_count=33 and fpu_op_i="011" then
> 			 s_state <= waiting;
> 			 ready_o <= '1';
> 			 s_count <=0;
> 		 elsif s_count=33 and fpu_op_i="100" then
> 			 s_state <= waiting;
> 			 ready_o <= '1';
> 			 s_count <=0;
> 		 elsif s_state=busy then
> 			 s_count <= s_count + 1;
> 		 else
> 			 s_state <= waiting;
> 	 -- change !!!! JR
> 			 ready_o <= '1';
> 		 end if;
>  end if;
>  end process;
>
> Regards,
> Janusz.
>
>
> --- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "Jidan Al-Eryani" <jidan@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Janusz,
> >
> > I am happy that it worked for you, but I didn't fully understand what
> > you mean. The result is only valid when the ready_o signal goes high.
> > So, are you saying that the ready_o signal went high too early? What
> > did you change in the code to solve the problem?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jidan
> >
> >
> > --- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "diode1" <always_friend@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, "diode1" <always_friend@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Quartus II 4.0 with Service Pack 1.0 - Synthesis Tool.
> > > >
> > > > Program writen in C to run few thousands floating point tests.
> > > > Arguments and expected results where generated on PC machine and
> > > > results are stored in test table.
> > > > Multiplication and division failes with fpu hardware
implementation.
> > > > It passes with software library.
> > > >
> > > > Any comments?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Janusz.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Problem solved!
> > > Read result port to early.
> > >
> > > J.
> > >
> >
>

#42 From: 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:33 am
Subject: New file uploaded to 32bit_fpu
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Hello,

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#41 From: "apa450" <buhasp@...>
Date: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:49 pm
Subject: Re: problem in synthesis
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Hi !

If you really want to synthesize your xyz entity, use a counter
instead of a while loop which is a part of the non synthesisable
subset of the vhdl langage !
And What it is use for ? No output... So it seems that it's a
testbench... !

Ciiao

Pierre

--- In 32bit_fpu@yahoogroups.com, ramanand reddy <rams_nandu@...> wrote:
>
> hi all,
>
> when i am playing with the below progarm.
> i crossed all stages like simulation.
> but finally the synthesizer stopped me.
> so, my team players help me to reach the goal.
>
>
> i faced a problem with WHILE LOOP while doing the synthesis
(simulation ok).
>
> see the synthesis report below....
>
> Analyzing Entity <add> (Architecture <ar_add>).
> ERROR:Xst:1312 - Loop has iterated 64 times. Use "set
-loop_iteration_limit XX" to iterate more
>
> ERROR: XST failed
> Process "Synthesize" did not complete.
>
> -------------see the program  below  -----------------
>
>
>
> library ieee ;
> use ieee.std_logic_1164.all;
> use ieee.std_logic_unsigned.all;
> use ieee.std_logic_misc.all;
> use ieee.std_logic_arith.all;
> use ieee.numeric_std.all;
>
>
> entity xyz is
>     Port ( clk:in std_logic);
> end xyz;
>
> architecture Behavioral of xyz is
> begin
>
> process(clk)
>
> variable frac :std_logic_vector(9 downto 0):="0001100001";
> variable diff  :std_logic_vector(5 downto 0):="010010";
> variable expo  :std_logic_vector(5 downto 0):="010000";
>
> begin
>
>  while(expo > "00000")loop  -------------or use-----------  expo  /=
"00000"
>
>     expo := expo + "00001";
>      frac := '0' & frac(9 downto 1);
>      expo  := expo - "00001";
>
>    end loop;
>     end process;
> end Behavioral;
>
>
>
> ok players try to play the game.
>
> byyyyyyyyyyyyy
>
>
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