I am replying to Dr Dave's last message.  I do not claim to understand
all the fine points of the system but I would like to clarify a few
points.  If I am wrong, please correct me.

>First, PSA set up the rules and I can live with that. It is their
>exhibitions and they have every right to run them as they see fit.
>If I don't like it, then I don't have to enter.

They are not PSA's exhibitions.  The star rating system belongs to PSA,
not the individual exhibitions.  PSA sets some general standards.  If
an exhibition meets these standards then PSA will accept that the
results of the exhibition can be used for PSA's star rating.

BTW, Dr.Dave you can organize a stereo exhibition if you like, just
yourself... and you don't have to meet the PSA standards.  You don't
have to repeat this every year and you don't have to belong to any
stereo club.  You can have the judging in the basement of your house.
The only catch is that you must convince people to send in entries.
They must be sure that you will not run to South America with their
best work.  Having PSA stand behind you is an assurance.  You must
convince PSA that you know what you are doing.  You must find judges,
select dates and places to show your exhibition after the judging is
done, notify entrants of the results, etc.  I know at least one person
who does that.  He is an individual putting up an exhibition with his
wife, without any club behind them.

>If I am to understand right, to get in the Hall of Fame you must have
>the same slide win at least eight exhibitions.

The slide does not "win exhibitions".  The proper terminology is
"accepted". :-)  So the slide receives an acceptance.  If you "play"
the ratings system then these acceptances will get you stars and 8
acceptances will qualify the slide to enter to the Hall of Fame.  You
still have to send in a copy (or the original) to the proper place or
there is nothing entered anywhere.  The "Hall of Fame" is an actual
program not just an honor.  PSA will not knock your door asking for
your slide.  You will have to send it in with the proper documentation.
Same for the stars.  They will not be mailed to you.  You will have
to try and get them and they will ask you to prove that you meet the
PSA requirements by listing every acceptance and every slide accepted.
Someone will check the records (official results) to make sure that
you are not cheating... :-)

>You are not allowed to
>enter the same slide in the same exhibition twice. There are only
>about a dozen exhibitions. You can't really expect to win every
>exhibition. So, the only way to win this award is to enter every
>exhibition in a year with the same slide(s). You can only enter four
>slides at a time. So basically you can only have four of your slides
>entered per year. That seems extremely limiting.

Wait, you are confusing me... :-)  Again, the Hall of Fame acceptance
is not an award, it's an honor.  Depending on how fast you enter your
slides it might take you from several years to over a decade to have
a slide qualify for a Hall of Fame.  I don't see anything wrong with
that.

>I do not claim to take thousands of award winning slides, but I do
>take thousands of slides. I would like the opportunity to see just how
>many of them are considered "above average" while I am still alive.
>At only four per year, it would take me hundreds of years to find out.
>And if someone keeps entering that same winning slide in every
>competition it lessens my chances.

I take thousands of slides too.  To see how the best of these do, there
are more avenues than just stereo exhibitions.  There are local clubs.
There are PSA postal folios and SSA folios.  Every year I enter 27
slides in Detroit, 15 slides in Cleveland, about 20 slides in SSA
folios (I am in three of them!) and about 12 in PSA folios.  In
PSA-recognized exhibitions I only enter the "crop of the cream"
so to speak and I usually wait to enter these in Detroit or
Cleveland and usually if they do well I proceed with exhibitions.
In 3 1/2 years I have entered 71 different slides in 38 exhibitions
and have accumulated 88 acceptances from 39 slides.  That's about
10 new images per year.  I think that's pretty good because I take
pictures mainly for my own enjoyment, not for the exhibitions.

>I will continue to enter different slides in each exhibition and take
>my chances. So if you ever happen to see an award winning slide of
>mine at an exhibition, don't expect to ever see it again *{;-)

Well... good luck!  Since you seem a prolific stereo shooter with
lots of enthusiasm, you might consider finding other avenues to share
your work like SSA folios (I know you are in one, but consider
joining all three Realist folios), PSA folios, etc.  Some stereo
clubs allow long-distance members to enter in their competitions.

George Themelis

In reply to all the replies to my post I would like to clarify some
points:

First, PSA set up the rules and I can live with that. It is their
exhibitions and they have every right to run them as they see fit. If I
don't like it, then I don't have to enter.

If I am to understand right, to get in the Hall of Fame you must have
the same slide win at least eight exhibitions. You are not allowed to
enter the same slide in the same exhibition twice. There are only
about a dozen exhibitions. You can't really expect to win every
exhibition. So, the only way to win this award is to enter every
exhibition in a year with the same slide(s). You can only enter four
slides at a time. So basically you can only have four of your slides
entered per year. That seems extremely limiting.

I do not claim to take thousands of award winning slides, but I do
take thousands of slides. I would like the opportunity to see just how
many of them are considered "above average" while I am still alive.
At only four per year, it would take me hundreds of years to find out.
And if someone keeps entering that same winning slide in every
competition it lessens my chances.

Boris, I can understand the need to qualify a slide's worth by having
more than three judges proclaim it. People's taste differ and just
because one panel likes it doesn't mean another will. However, if
eight or twelve panles like it, there must be good reason. And if you
are in a commercial venture the more awards the more you can
charge or the more business you can pull in.

I will continue to enter different slides in each exhibition and take my
chances. So if you ever happen to see an award winning slide of
mine at an exhibition, don't expect to ever see it again *{;-)

That's all for now,

David W. Kesner
Boise, Idaho, USA
drdave@...

To David W. Kesner - You say one win and it's all over.  NOT a good idea for
several reasons. 1)  If a slide or card is really good and wins, there is
nothing wrong with sharing its beauty with others - meaning other
exhibitions. 2) A person would have extreme difficulty earning stars or any
other honors unless he or she was out there photographing winning shots every
day.  3) A winning entry may not be submitted to the same exhibition in a
subsequent year so the number of potential wins is very limited.  4)  Judges
are different, tastes are different, times are different, it would be very
unusual for one entry to take first everywhere.  5)  If a person is that good
he (or she) wouldn't be going after stars and medals - the goal would be
commercial or artistic success in a big way.

>From: "David W. Kesner" <drdave@...>
...
>I have a real problem with a slide being repeatedly entered in
>different stereo exhibitions (unless it was not accepted). I believe
>that once a slide has either been accepted or won a medal it
>should be retired.

First of all, being merely accepted is not much different from rejection,
if you feel a slide should get a medal.

My recent shooting surprise received the Gold Medal at Hollywood.  Then got
rejected three times before being accepted into Southern Cross.  With the
way the PSA Salons are, if I want to satisfy myself that a slide is getting
"enough" respect, I like to see it get accepted in every Salon.

My experience is that the Salons are basically a crapshoot, anyway, with
your odds improving, maybe a little, if the slide is very good.  But
average stuff still wins most of the awards, because that's what makes up
the bulk of entries (by definition).  For me to prove to you, that I've got
a really good slide, I have to show you the numbers - and one award or
acceptance is practically meaningless!

Respectfully submitted,

Boris

Boris Starosta            boris@...
                           http://www.starosta.com
usa 804 979 3930          http://www.starosta.com/3dshowcase

>I have a real problem with a slide being repeatedly entered in
>different stereo exhibitions (unless it was not accepted).

I understand the logic behind this and I have heard (don't know
the exact details) that other divisions state that once an image
has received a certain number of acceptances, it will not count
towards the star rating (it can still be entered but it will not
count towards the star rating if it is accepted).  This makes
sense for divisions that have lots of exhibitions.  The Stereo
Division holds only about a dozen exhibitions per year.  To
encourage workers to submit different images the SD has the
"minimum number of different images" restriction as seen in this
table posted earlier:

Star No.   Min number of acceptances  Min number of different images
---------  -------------------------  ------------------------------
  *                    18                       6
  **                   36                      12
  ***                  72                      24
  ****                144                      48

For example, if you have 6 fantastic images, you could win as
many as 6x12(stereo exhibitions) = 72 acceptances.  However you
will not get more than one star, because to advance to two stars
you must have acceptances from 12 different images.

I know that there are people who cannot climb up in the star rating
because they do not meet the minimum number of different images
restriction.  I personally do not have this problem because I tend
to enter new slides quite often.  At the end, most people settle
to the routine where they enter one or two of they most succesful
images that are sure to be accepted (but you can never be 100% sure
about that!) and one or two new images to "test the waters" so to
speak.  I am sure David will do the same too in the future! :-)

Also, Ray pointed out that the focus of this process is on the
"Exhibition", with the acceptances and star rating being a motivation
to enter.  It makes sense to exhibit your best work.  Also, once
an image is accepted one year, you cannot enter the same image again
in the same exhibition.  So those who attend a specific exhibition
(say the Chicago Lighthouse) every year, they know they will see
totally different images from year to year.

George Themelis

David Kesner" <drdave@...> said:

>I know I am going to start some heated debate with the following
>comment, but that is what this list is for *{;-)

I> have a real problem with a slide being repeatedly entered in
>different stereo exhibitions (unless it was not accepted). I believe
>that once a slide has either been accepted or won a medal it
>should be retired. If someone happens to take the perfect stereo
>picture it should not be allowed to "steal" every gold medal in every
>exhibition. Once you have won you have proven your slide's worth,
>let it go and let someone else have a fighting chance.

A couple of points to clear up. There are not many slides that are so
stunning that they take out awards at every exhibition that they enter.
However, If a stereo worker was fortunate enough to have such a slide then
shouldn't we all get a chance to see it. After all the main aim of an
exhibition is to "Exhibit" the best stereo work available.

What I would personally like to discourage is the practice of exihibitors
who get an award or an acceptance at a particular salon continuing to submit
near identical slides to the same salon for year after year.

Ray Moxom <raymoxom@...>

Dr. T. reports on a slide show from PSA and quotes:

> "Any stereo slide that has received 10 or more acceptances
>  in PSA-recognized exhibitions is qualified for admission to
> Stereo Hall of Fame, which honors the slide and gives
> recognition to the maker."

I know I am going to start some heated debate with the following
comment, but that is what this list is for *{;-)

I have a real problem with a slide being repeatedly entered in
different stereo exhibitions (unless it was not accepted). I believe
that once a slide has either been accepted or won a medal it
should be retired. If someone happens to take the perfect stereo
picture it should not be allowed to "steal" every gold medal in every
exhibition. Once you have won you have proven your slide's worth,
let it go and let someone else have a fighting chance. If your slide
was accepted but didn't win then there were obviously better slides
entered and you should accept defeat and move on. If your slide
wasn't accepted then the judges didn't know what theye were doing
and you should try again with different judges *{;-)

I know that PSA doesn't have a problem with it, they even
encourage it with the Stereo Hall of Fame. Just how many PSA
stereo exhibitions are there any way? Must be more than 10!

Just for the record - I have entered four exhibitions now (all with four
slides each). #1 had three acceptances, #2 had one acceptance
and one medal, #3 had two acceptances, and #4 had two
acceptances. One of the acceptances in #3 & #4 was the same
slide, but I had sent #4 before knowing the result for #3 (it was a
hyper shot take with an RBT so I had two originals).

That's all for now,
David W. Kesner
Boise, Idaho, USA
drdave@...

Hello - I was interested in George's comments about the Stereo Hall of Fame.
The criteria now is that a slide needs to have been accepted 8 times rather
than the original 10.  That change was made several years ago because the
number of stereo exhibitions had been reduced in number.  Today the number of
exhibitions is steady but still not as high as they were in the 70's.  I
don't think anyone has considered the inclusion of cards yet.  The card
exhibition is still quite a new phenomena.  It probably should be considered.

Al

This was posted by Bill Orr in photo-3d.  With 2 weeks away, this is
your last call to enter!  -- George

     THE 29th CORDOVA INTERNATIONAL STEREO EXHIBITION, 1999 and
     4th CORDOVA INTERNATIONAL STEREO CARD EXHIBITION, 1999

     BILL ORR, General Chairman
     Sacramento, CA
     Billbowie@...

     SELECTION JURY:
     Harold Baize 	 Steve Dudley
     Berkeley, CA 	 Miami, FL

     Martha McCann 	 Alternate: Ron Fredrickson
     Carmichael, CA 	 Fair Oaks, CA

     AWARDS:
     PSA GOLD MEDALS for BEST OF SHOW, SLIDES AND CARDS
     PSA SILVER MEDAL for BEST CREATIVE SLIDE
     MUSCOGEE 3D AWARD for BEST PHOTOJOURNALISM CARD
     CORDOVA TROPHY for BEST INTERPRETIVE CARD
     CORDOVA CAMERA CLUB TROPHIES FOR SLIDES:
     BEST USE OF SELECTIVE FOCUS
     BEST NEW WORKER
     CORDOVA CAMERA CLUB MEMBER TROPHY
     3 ADDITIONAL TROPHIES - SELECTORS' CHOICE

     SHOWINGS:
     Cordova Camera Club  June 3, 1999
     PSA Gold Rush Chapter June 6, 1999

     CALENDAR:
     Closing Date April 22, 1999
     Judging Date April 24, 1999
     Report Cards Mailed April 28, 1999
     Total Rejects Mailed April 30, 1999
     All Entries Mailed June 14, 1999
     Catalogs Mailed       June 14, 1999

     Sponsored by
    	 CORDOVA CAMERA CLUB, Sacramento, California

     ENTRIES:
     $5.00 for entries from the United States and Canada.
     $6.00 for entries from other countries.

     Make checks payable to Cordova Camera Club.  Entries must be sent prepaid.
     Entries without entry fee will not be judged or returned.

     Mail entries to:      Mary Bury, APSA
                              6525 Sunrise Blvd., #52
                              Citrus Heights, CA 95822

     Request copies of Entry Form from Bill Orr at Billbowie@...
     and specify electronic format (Word, Wordperfect, Text or Email) or
hardcopy.

>Spam already.  Too bad.  Is this list moderated?

Yes, sorry about that.  No, the list is not moderated in the sense
that no one reads the messages before hand and approves them.  Neither
is any of the other stereo lists (photo-3d, sell-3d, tech-3d, sd-3d).
As the "owner" of the list (because I set it up) I enjoy certain
privileges like being able to see who has joined the list and change
some of the characteristics of the list.  I can, for example, approve
the subscriptions before someone can join (it is not happening now)
and maybe I will do it if we have more incidents like this.

On another subject, I just came back from our stereo club meeting.
We showed "PSA Stereo Hall of Fame No. 5".  "Any stereo slide that
has received 10 or more acceptances in PSA-recognized exhibitions
is qualified for admission to Stereo Hall of Fame, which honors
the slide and gives recognition to the maker." (I got this information
from the program... I wonder if 10 is still the number of acceptances
and if stereo cards have their own Hall of Fame now...)

The program (No. 5) was first shown in the PSA Convention in Scottsdale
Arizona on Sept. 1989.  It was dedicated to Seton Rochwite, the inventor
of the Stereo Realist who (correct me if I am wrong) was present in
this convention.

It was an excellent program!  Or own Dr. Albert Sieg was one of the main
stars, contributing a very large number (more than any one else) of
wonderful stereo slides to this program!  I believe our club members
liked it a lot!  Consider getting these programs for your club or
contributing to the Stereo Hall of Fame yourself!  (I don't have any
slide that qualifies, YET!)

Regards -- George Themelis

Spam already.  Too bad.  Is this list moderated?

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Congratulations to Ray and company!  Entering PSA Salons used
to be a solitary activity... you sent your entries in and waited
patiently for a postcard in the mail... With the help of the
Internet this is changing... The Southern Cross just set a new
standard.  Within hours from judging the results were posted in
a web site, followed with a listing of all accepted entries.
Congratulations to all involved for a job well done!  I am hoping
that this list will make the process a bit less solitary with
occasional feedback and comments from people involved or attending
these exhibitions.

About the rating system... every acceptance can count for the PSA
star rating system which recognizes photographic ability.  To get
this recognition you have to be a PSA member but all your acceptances
before you joined PSA, still count.  Here is how the system works:

Star No.   Min number of acceptances  Min number of different images
---------  -------------------------  ------------------------------
  *                    18                       6
  **                   36                      12
  ***                  72                      24
  ****                144                      48
  *****               288                      75
  Diamond             488                     120

(For higher ratings ask Dr. Al Sieg  :-) :-) :-))

Notice that the requirements double going from one star to another.
To go from 1 star to 2 stars you only need 18 acceptances.  To go
from 3 stars to 4 stars you need 144 acceptances.  Given sufficient
time, everyone will rise up in stars, some people moving faster
than others.  I am in my 4th year of PSA stereo exhibitions now
and I have 88 acceptances from 39 different slides (3 stars),
averaging about 2 acceptances per exhibition.

Some of the benefits of entering these exhibitions include personal
satisfaction in seeing your work recognized, motivation for personal
improvement, contributing interesting images to the exhibitions that
might influence others, especially newcomers to stereo, and building
up a database of your images that have a general appeal.

PSA-SD (Stereo Division) maintains a list of about 300 active and
speculative names which is sent to every exhibition.  With your
name in the list you will be getting the entry forms in the mail,
well ahead of time.  You will need to be organized and save these
in a folder to use them a few weeks before the closing date of each
exhibition.  To get in the list, write to:

Jack and Barbara Covey
PO Box 1834, Wichita  KS  67201
bajacovey@... (I don't know if this works)

Despite a few drawbacks like the lack of feedback on your entries or
possible disappointment in seeing what you believe to be some of your
best work not receiving the recognition you think it deserves, overall
this is a good system worth supporting.  If nothing else, it is like
a fun game!  I enjoy maintaining a database of all my entries (more on
that later) and I look forward to getting the little postcard in the
mail.

George Themelis

Many of those who entered this years Southern Cross International Exhibition
of Stereo Photography would have looked up their results on the Southern
Cross web site at <http://www.acay.com.au/~dstuckey/sthcross.html>

Below is a timetable of how this was achieved within hours of the judging:

There was a lot of organising and planning before the judging that made all
of this possible. All most all of this was done by Nancy Moxom, who had
prepared spreadsheets with all the names and slides pre entered.  For
example, as soon the acceptance level score had been inserted in the
spreadsheet (which was 11 this year) and the individual scores and awards
entered, equations came into play and the accepted slides were clearly
identified on the spreadsheet.

The judging was completed by about 4:00 PM on the Saturday of the 3rd of
April.

Task were then divided. Award winning slides were being scanned by David
Stuckey in one location while slides were being double checked and entered
up elsewhere.

Award winners and HMs were emailed to David Stuckey as was a digital
photograph of the selection team and all the helpers.

By about 10:30 PM on the day of the judging, Sydney time, all award winners
and HMs together with stereo pairs for both parallel and cross eyed viewing
were up on the web site. By 11:00 PM the image of the selection team and all
the helpers had been added.

Also at about 11:00 PM, following a checking process, a list of all of the
acceptances were emailed to David on an Excel spreadsheet. David converted
this spreadsheet to  a form suitable for placing on the web and had all the
accepted slides up on the web site by 2:30 AM on the morning after the
judging. 2:30 AM Sunday morning in Sydney was 5:30 PM Saturday GMT or 12:30
PM Saturday US Eastern Time and 9:30 AM US Pacific Time.

Due to time and space constraints honours and star ratings are not included
on the web site.

Ray Moxom

In a message dated 4/3/99 1:45:03 PM EST, drdave@... writes:

<< From: "David W. Kesner" <drdave@...>

  >>Could someone explain the point and star rating for PSA? Also if
  you are not currently a PSA member, but have been entering PSA
  Exhibitions, and then later join PSA, will those points be counted?  >>

It is stated in the PSA Journal, in the Exhibition section, as follows:
Only PSA members can apply their exhibition acceptances toward Star
Ratings, and only acceptances received in exhibitions listed in the PSA
Journal are valid.  Stars are awarded when you have a certain number of
acceptances, with each division having its own requirements.

If you are referring to Journal "points," those are awarded each time you
have something published in the Journal -- whether a short announcement
or an entire article.  The point score is maintained by the Editorial Awards
Committee and you will be awarded a Star (Bronze, Silver, or Gold) when
you have achieved the required number of points.

For further information on PSA, check their website: http://www.psa-photo.org/
     Hope this helps!

Carole

Hey Dr T. (George)  I think your suggestions here are right on.  I think this
list will grow with time.  I will promote it every chance that I can because
I think it will help exhibitions and exhibitors alike.  Keep up the good work.

Al

Could someone explain the point and star rating for PSA? Also if
you are not currently a PSA member, but have been entering PSA
Exhibitions, and then later join PSA, will those points be counted?

That's all for now,

David W. Kesner
Boise, Idaho, USA
drdave@...

Paul Talbot wrote:

> Dr. George A. Themelis wrote:
> > Question:  How often should these announcements be posted?
> > Here is one scheme:
> Sounds reasonable to me,

Also sounds reasonable to me. Some of us need more remindersthan others. I
keep using the excuse that I am too busy to enter.
But I think we all can make the time, if it is important to us.

> I'd also like to suggest that the 5 meg "file sharing" space
> provided by OneList could be used to make downloadable versions
> of the entry forms available to the list members.  I'm not a
> big fan of .pdf files, but that is probably the format that
> makes the most sense.

We have used the SCSC website for printable enter forms to theAnnual 3D
Movie/Video Competition:
http://home.earthlink.net/~campfire/movform.html
But since this is not a traditional exhibition, we don't require
entrants to fill out reply cards and address labels.
The form can be printed by clinking on print, without having to
download anything.

By the way, the 3rD Ever 3D (Stereoscopic) Movie/Video
Competition, AKA the 1999 3D Movie/Video International
is being held on August 7th, 1999 (closing date August 2nd),
if anyone has a 3D movie or video ready for entry. More info
is available at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~campfire/movcomp.html

Now back to our regularly schedule 3D salon postings.

Thanks for the time,
Lawrence Kaufman, mailto:kaufman3d@...
SCSC website: http://home.earthlink.net/~campfire

Dr. George A. Themelis wrote:

> Question:  How often should these announcements be posted?
>
> Here is one scheme:
>
> 1. General periodic listing (every few months or so) of all upcoming
>    exhibitions in the next 6-12 months.
> 2. 4 week reminder for each individual exhibition (this usually gives
>    enough time to obtain the entry forms via regular mail or get some
>    overseas entries ready)
> 3. 2 week reminder (last minute call to get forms and start packing
>    up the entries)
>
> Please let me know if you have any comments, ideas, suggestions on
> this issue.
>

Sounds reasonable to me, but as I'm still "working up to" entering
an exhibition for the first time, it would be good to hear from
someone else with actual experience.

I'd also like to suggest that the 5 meg "file sharing" space
provided by OneList could be used to make downloadable versions
of the entry forms available to the list members.  I'm not a
big fan of .pdf files, but that is probably the format that
makes the most sense.  Until the list is significantly larger,
however, it may not be worth the effort required.

Paul Talbot

For those not familiar with the system, I would like to mention that
the primary objective of the PSA-Approved Stereo Exhibitions is not
the Competition but the Exhibition aspect.  PSA requires that there
is a minimum of two public showings (for slides) or one week public
showing (for prints) of all the accepted entries.

I was lucky to be in Chicago when I got interested in stereo in 1988
and I attended a couple of the "Lighthouse" PSA exhibitions.  It was
awesome!!!  After every showing I was more than ever in love with
stereo and totally inspired with fresh ideas in my mind.

So, say Paul wants to put up a stereo slide program in Austin Texas.
He can ask some of his friends, like Boris or George, to give him a few
slides to put in the program.  But if he wants to collect some of the
best stereo work, he should consider organizing a stereo Exhibition.
This is a great way to have people send in their best work with a smile
in their face and promote stereo locally at the same time.  So at the
end everyone is happy!

George Themelis

View the Southern Cross award winning Images now!

David Stuckey has now placed scanned images of all the the Award winners on
the Southern Cross Web Site.

The Southern Cross web site is at
<http://www.acay.com.au/~dstuckey/sthcross.html>

Acceptances will be available on the same Web Site within 24 hours.

Ray Moxom

One of the primary objectives of this list, IMO, should be to post
REGULAR notices of upcoming Stereo Exhibitions, serving as a reminder
for many of us to prepare our entries.  This information is posted in
the PSA Journal by Jack and Barbara Covey but they are not with us
(they do have email - maybe they'll be here later) so I am willing
to take up this job.

Question:  How often should these announcements be posted?

Here is one scheme:

1. General periodic listing (every few months or so) of all upcoming
    exhibitions in the next 6-12 months.
2. 4 week reminder for each individual exhibition (this usually gives
    enough time to obtain the entry forms via regular mail or get some
    overseas entries ready)
3. 2 week reminder (last minute call to get forms and start packing
    up the entries)

Please let me know if you have any comments, ideas, suggestions on
this issue.

George Themelis
DrT-3d@...

Thank you Ray!  You did a great job with the Southern Cross
Exhibition of Stereo Photography!

A few words about the status of this list.  Currently we have 23
subscribers.  I glanced at the names and emails and it seems that
almost all are also in photo-3d, which in a way defeats the purpose
of the list.  My idea was to get some of the people who do not read
photo-3d, aboard this list.  I have sent invitations to some of the
"big" names in stereo exhibitions and PSA Stereo Division and I am
a little bit disappointed that NO ONE joined the list or even replied
to give any feedback.  I will try one more time... maybe this time I
will approach each one individually.  Also, I will send a notice to
be published in the "Stereo News" column of the PSA Journal.

If you have any friends that you think should be here, please let
them know about it.  Tell them to go to this site and register there:

http://www.onelist.com/viewarchive.cgi?listname=3Dsalon

If they cannot surf the web, I can add their names manually.  I will
need their email addresses and of course they must agree to be added
to the list.

George Themelis
DrT-3d@...

Below are the Award winners and HMs for this year’s Southern Cross
International Exhibition of Stereo Photography.

Congratulations to all who received Awards and HMs

David Stuckey will shortly be placing the Award winners together with
scanned images of the award winners on the Southern Cross Web Site.

All acceptances will be available on the same Web Site within a day or so.

The Southern Cross web site is:
<http://www.acay.com.au/~dstuckey/sthcross.html>

Ray Moxom

*******************************************************

19th Southern Cross International, 1999 - Awards

Best of Show, PSA Stereo Division Medal (Gold), "Bat’s All, Folks", Robert
Bloomberg, USA

Second Best of Show, PSA Stereo Division Medal (Silver), "Alex", Neville
Jackson, UK

Contemporary (incl. computer assisted), Kodak  Amethyst Trophy,
"Computerworld 4", Wolfgang Hagemeister, Germany

Use of early or late light, Phil Hollis Memorial Medal-donated Vic 3-D,
"Sentosa Sparkle", Max Hem, Australia

Photo-Travel , Southern Cross Silver Medal, "The Fisherman’s Apprentice",
Peter Docker, Australia

Action, Southern Cross Silver Medal, "Silver Sea Surfers", Bernard Brown, UK

Living Animal or Bird or Flower, Southern Cross Bronze Medal, "Chameleon Eye
#2", Robert Bloomberg, USA

Stereoscopic Effect, Sydney Stereo Camera Club Medal, "Living Gallery", John
Sardy, USA

Landscape / Seascape, Harold Grenenger Memorial Medal, "Wintry Scene",
Stephen O’Neil, Switzerland

New Southern Cross Exhibitor, H A Tregellas Medal-donated Stere Soc, "Sea
Mermaid", Andreas Seibolg, Germany

******************************************************************

19th Southern Cross International, 1999 - Honourable Mentions -

"Rusty Wagon Detail", Andrea Blair, USA
"Magic Frame", Bernard Brown, UK
"Margaret River Sunset", Malcolm Docker, Australia
"Currie Harbour Lighthouse", Peter Docker, Australia
"Computerworld 3", Wolfgang Hagemeister, Germany
"Fireballs", Wolfgang Hagemeister, Germany
"Goldilocks #11", Max Hem, Australia
"Yellow Crowned Night-Heron", Gene Kirksey, USA
"Female Allen’s #8, Gene Kirksey", USA
"Zanardi Stops for Gas & Tires", Robert James Leonard, USA
"Amongst the Penguins", Albert Sieg, USA
"Verzasca River", Geoff Peters, USA
"Ironwomen", Andrew Read, Australia
"Bossus", Boris Starosta, USA
"City Hall", George Themelis, USA
"Reither Ache, Werner Weiser, Germany
"St. Johann Tyrol", Werner Weiser, Germany
"Strohballen", Egon Weiss, Germany
"Lady with Rose", Donald Wratten, UK

Did you enter this year's Southern Cross.

Judging is tomorrow.

Award winners will be posted to this list in about 24 hours from now.

Ray Moxom

If you need an entry form for the Cordova salon, email: Billbowie@....
The deadline date is April 22.  This salon is the 29th Cordova International
Stereo Exhibition (slides,) and the 4th Cordova International Stereocard
exhibition.  I'm getting my stereocard entries selected now!
    Carole

Lawrence W Kaufman <kaufman3d@...> wrote:

>> George Themelis, Cleveland Ohio
>> Site of a future PSA stereo Salon!
>
>Any idea when this will be?

We are aiming for 2000 (a year from now), maybe around March.
I understand that for a new stereo exhibition we need to have
everything ready 9 months in advance, so now it is the time
to act.  We will be working on that within the next month or
two.  I am hoping that this list will help answer some of
the questions that we will have...

Tbanks!

George Themelis

Entries for the Southern Cross close in a few days.  Judging will be next
Saturday.

Award winners will be posted to this list soon after the judging has been
completed. As we are GMT + 10 hours, US based list members will be able to
see the results early on the Saturday Morning of the 3rd April (very early
morning if you are on US Pacific Time).

As occurred last year, David Stuckey will again be posting award winners on
the Southern Cross web site within a day of the judging. He will also be
posting all accepted slides a day or so after that. The Southern Cross web
site is <http://www.acay.com.au/~dstuckey/sthcross.html>

Ray Moxom, Sydney Australia

Dr. George A. Themelis wrote:

> George Themelis, Cleveland Ohio
> Site of a future PSA stereo Salon!

Any idea when this will be?

Thanks for the time,
Lawrence Kaufman, mailto:kaufman3d@...

Hello everyone!

This is a test to make sure that everything works well...

Welcome to the 3Dsalon discussion list!  Those who receive
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direct them to the following web site:

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(if they cannot access the web, let me know and I can subscribe them
indirectly)

The objective of the list is "to promote and encourage participation
in stereo image exhibitions".  To post to the list send a message to:

3Dsalon@onelist.com

Examples of the type of postings that are encouraged:

1. Reminders of deadlines of Stereo Salons.
2. Posting of 3d salon results or web references where results can be
    found.
3. Details and encouragement on how to start a stereo salon.
4. Advice and feedback from organizers of stereo salons
5. Eyewitness reports from PSA Salon showings
6. Words of wisdom from judges
7. Questions and answers in topics related to stereo salons.
    Examples: - How do I get my first PSA star?
    - Do I need to be a member of PSA to enter these salons?
    - Should I mount my slides in glass or is plastic/cardboard
      acceptable?
    - What is the accepted format for stereo prints?
    - How should I mail my entries?
    - What is the definition of a "contemporary stereo image"?

Discussions on stereo techniques (e.g. black light stereo photography,
stereo cameras, etc.) is not really appropriate as there is another
discussion list devoted to these issues (photo-3d) unless if they are
related to stereo exhibitions (e.g. types of viewers used for judging
prints, recommended screen type or size, etc.)

To manage this list I am using the commercial provider ONElist which
has been recommended by others.  ONElist takes care of all
subscription and distribution issues and provides a place in the web
to store the archives.  I have elected to have these archives open to
the public (not just the members of the list).  These can be viewed at:

http://www.onelist.com/viewarchive.cgi?listname=3Dsalon

I hope that you will find your participation in the list worthwhile!

Best regards,

George Themelis, Cleveland Ohio
Site of a future PSA stereo Salon!