I remember several BBS's where the owners were busted for credit card fraud
and/or phone fraud (phreaking), but not for bomb files.. My BBS had a wide
collection of anarchy materials on it back in the day and I never once was
even contacted about it..



From: 80sBBS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:80sBBS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Joe Roberts
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:38 AM
To: 80sBBS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [80sBBS] Busted BBSes of the 1980s --> Bombs and other
Incendiary Devices - Question





On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 3:34 AM, Bruce A Wakelee <pyster@...
<mailto:pyster%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
> I'm confused, as these files as far as I am aware, are all legal to
possess. My BBS was filled with them, and I wrote afew myself. Sure they
werent busted for something else?
>
> -Bruce

I'm not sure, actually. I just know they were involved and they were
the main part of the headline. My memory is really fuzzy. I am
fairly certain they are protected by the First Amendment, but that
apparently didn't stop police, or there was some other pretext for the
bust and the bomb stuff made the headlines.

BTW, want to give a shout out to Echelon: hate the game, not the player.

That is all.





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> When I was I think 12..maybe 13, a neighbor put his entire Playboy
> collection on the curb next to his garbage can.  It just so happens that i
> got there before the trash guy did.  There were probably 5 years worth of
> magazines in the box.
>
> I had built myself a "fort" of sorts in the woods that summer.  I
> proceeded to wallpaper every surface, save the floor with pictures of
> naked women.  It was glorious! *laughs*  Anyway, this younger neighbor kid
> decides he's going to throw me under the bus with my mom by telling her
> about my rather unique wallpaper style...
>
> So here I stand in the kitchen while this traitorous little snot bag rats
> me out.  I'm *convinced* I'm going to be skinned alive and then put on
> restriction until the heat death of the universe...

After that, I'd have taken that neighbor kid outside and popped him
one for messing with something that wasn't his business to begin
with. That's one thing I can't stand is people who get into things
they shouldn't be getting into.
I think if people minded their own business, the world would be
a better place. Anyways, when I ran a d-dial back in the 80's it
was that very thing that led me to take it down. People couldn't
mind their own business and was always getting into mine, so finally
I said, screw it. I didn't need the aggravation.

--Deeply Shrouded & Quiet
--Central Control! D-Dial #49

Ř  That's one thing I can't stand is people who get into things

Ř  they shouldn't be getting into.

Ř  I think if people minded their own business, the world would be

Ř  a better place.



I don't mean to be overly negative about your post, but I want to point out two
things:



1)      If the world followed this philosophy Hitler would be in power, it
wasn't "our" business to stop him from killing Germans (Jews, Polish, etc.). It
started as German citizens they didn't want - clearly within "their" business by
the above definition.  Yes, expanded and I don't want to get the thread off to
history - just pointing out at the beginning it wasn't the world's business and
I don't think anyone would say the world would be a better place if everyone
minded their own business.

2)      There's a saying: "Evil will prevail when good men do nothing" - Edmund
Burke is apparently the author.



Now about the context of your post this may not apply, but you made your
statement pretty broad so I'm pointing pointed this out.


I want to conclude with people many times interfere FAR too much, and freedom is
great and should be respected by all (including the person who is free to do
what they want).  If everyone was free, lived decent, and didn't try to hurt 
/take advantage of others then the world would be a better place and nobody
would need to mind anyone but their own business - I just don't feel that's
realistic very often.



I probably deviated already too far off topic from 80sBBSes,



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From: 80sBBS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:80sBBS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
deeplyshrouded
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 3:02 PM
To: 80sBBS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [80sBBS] Re: Busted BBSes of the 1980s --> Bombs and other Incendiary
Devices - Question





> When I was I think 12..maybe 13, a neighbor put his entire Playboy
> collection on the curb next to his garbage can. It just so happens that i
> got there before the trash guy did. There were probably 5 years worth of
> magazines in the box.
>
> I had built myself a "fort" of sorts in the woods that summer. I
> proceeded to wallpaper every surface, save the floor with pictures of
> naked women. It was glorious! *laughs* Anyway, this younger neighbor kid
> decides he's going to throw me under the bus with my mom by telling her
> about my rather unique wallpaper style...
>
> So here I stand in the kitchen while this traitorous little snot bag rats
> me out. I'm *convinced* I'm going to be skinned alive and then put on
> restriction until the heat death of the universe...

After that, I'd have taken that neighbor kid outside and popped him
one for messing with something that wasn't his business to begin
with. That's one thing I can't stand is people who get into things
they shouldn't be getting into.
I think if people minded their own business, the world would be
a better place. Anyways, when I ran a d-dial back in the 80's it
was that very thing that led me to take it down. People couldn't
mind their own business and was always getting into mine, so finally
I said, screw it. I didn't need the aggravation.

--Deeply Shrouded & Quiet
--Central Control! D-Dial #49





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Steve Radich <stever@...> wrote:

> I don't mean to be overly negative about your post, but I want to point out
two things:

> 1)      If the world followed this philosophy Hitler would be in power, it
wasn't "our" business to stop him from killing Germans (Jews, Polish, etc.). It
started as German citizens they didn't want - clearly within "their" business by
the above definition.  Yes, expanded and I don't want to get the thread off to
history - just pointing out at the beginning it wasn't the world's business and
I don't think anyone would say the world would be a better place if everyone
minded their own business.

I think the concept of "leave us alone" is predicated upon the context
of "victimless crimes," which is what we're talking about here.  The
point about Hitler is that he was not minding his own business and was
in fact committing a crime which makes it everyone's business, the
same way when a rapist is victimizing someone, it's all of our
business.

But this doesn't really cover the snotnosed busybody little
tattletales in our culture who don't understand boundaries.  And I
would extend this to politics too, and the amount of intrusion into
our lives the crimes of the few have justified in the minds of so
many.  Liberty's price is that you don't get a perfectly antiseptic,
padded-room society.  A little danger comes with it.  It's still a
bargain in my opinion.  Liberty ought to exist in an environment of
reason, anyway, which gives a common framework for our dealings with
others.

> 2)      There's a saying: "Evil will prevail when good men do nothing" -
Edmund Burke is apparently the author.

Right, except to some people smoking a joint or looking at naked women
is "evil."  A corollary to Burke's admirable sentiment here is:
Authoritarianism can also prevail when self-righteous men insist on
standing on my dick.

> Now about the context of your post this may not apply, but you made your
statement pretty broad so I'm pointing pointed this out.

I'm pretty sure the context was implied.  In one case, a ddial which
was private property: "democracy" on bulletin boards is at the
pleasure of the SysOp, or more precisely, the one who plays the build
and mixes his labor with the application, and in the other case, a
pornographic pleasure shack, neither of which infringe anyone else's
rights.  Not to use political terminology or whatever, but I've
noticed over the course of my life that "shall not be infringed" is a
statement people take to mean exactly opposite of what it actually
does mean.  Or free speech, "except/but."  I regard the "except/but"
crowd as a far greater threat than the occasional guy who uses his
freedom to be an asshole.

> I want to conclude with people many times interfere FAR too much, and freedom
is great and should be respected by all (including the person who is free to do
what they want).  If everyone was free, lived decent, and didn't try to hurt
 /take advantage of others then the world would be a better place and nobody
would need to mind anyone but their own business - I just don't feel that's
realistic very often.

I have felt pushed around by laws, rules, and regulations governing
what I can and can't do far often than I've felt pushed around by
people who were doing "evil."  That's just a statement of my own
existence in the United States.  That could change, of course.  But
from my point of view, most people do live free and decently.  At
least, far more than than don't.  And the minority who don't certainly
do not provide ample justification for more laws, more regulation, or
in a word, more violations of our civil liberties.  I am still far
more wary about laws, authority, government, and so on, than I am
about occasional crimes of immoral individuals.

I am 37 years old right now.  One time, a few years ago, some
aassholes broke into my truck in Tucson, and attempted to steal it.
We caught them in the middle of it and they ran.

Setting aside schoolyard scrapes, that's the only crime I've ever been
a victim of a crime that I can recall.  That's not a bad record,
especially when you consider that stealing trucks is already a crime
(and even this started with them sticking their nose into my business:
my truck).

> I probably deviated already too far off topic from 80sBBSes,

It's okay.  The point of this list is less about staying on topic all
the time and more for a crowd of people who were "there" to hang out
and have discussions.

On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Steve Radich <stever@...> wrote:

>
> 1) If the world followed this philosophy Hitler would be in power, it
> wasn't "our" business to stop him from killing Germans (Jews, Polish, etc.).
> It started as German citizens they didn't want - clearly within "their"
> business by the above definition. Yes, expanded and I don't want to get the
> thread off to history - just pointing out at the beginning it wasn't the
> world's business and I don't think anyone would say the world would be a
> better place if everyone minded their own business.
>
>
I call Goodwin's.  You loose.  (;
--
I know a mouse
And he hasn't got a house
I don't know why
I call him Gerald
He's getting rather old
But he's a good mouse

- Syd Barrett


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Dennis Nedry <dennis@...> wrote:

> I call Goodwin's.  You loose.  (;

Lose... not loose...
> --
> I know a mouse
> And he hasn't got a house
> I don't know why
> I call him Gerald
> He's getting rather old
> But he's a good mouse
>
> - Syd Barrett
>



--
I know a mouse
And he hasn't got a house
I don't know why
I call him Gerald
He's getting rather old
But he's a good mouse

- Syd Barrett

On Sun, 9 May 2010, deeplyshrouded wrote:

> After that, I'd have taken that neighbor kid outside and popped him
> one for messing with something that wasn't his business to begin
> with. That's one thing I can't stand is people who get into things
> they shouldn't be getting into.

I was intolerably smug for months after that so it evened out. :)
Besides, I likely would've gotten in trouble for clocking the little
bastard. :)

> I think if people minded their own business, the world would be
> a better place. Anyways, when I ran a d-dial back in the 80's it
> was that very thing that led me to take it down. People couldn't
> mind their own business and was always getting into mine, so finally
> I said, screw it. I didn't need the aggravation.
>
I take it Iron Fist of The Sysop didn't work so well with your users?

g.

--
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On Sun, 9 May 2010, Dennis Nedry wrote:

> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Steve Radich <stever@...> wrote:
>
>>
>> 1) If the world followed this philosophy Hitler would be in power, it
>> wasn't "our" business to stop him from killing Germans (Jews, Polish, etc.).
>> It started as German citizens they didn't want - clearly within "their"
>> business by the above definition. Yes, expanded and I don't want to get the
>> thread off to history - just pointing out at the beginning it wasn't the
>> world's business and I don't think anyone would say the world would be a
>> better place if everyone minded their own business.
>>
>>
> I call Goodwin's.  You loose.  (;
>
AFAIK, it's "Godwin". :)

g.

--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

I always want to push people into an oven when they invoke godwin as an excuse
to dismiss someone.

  -Bruce




________________________________
From: Gene Buckle <geneb@...>
To: 80sBBS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 9:39:25 AM
Subject: Re: [80sBBS] Re: Busted BBSes of the 1980s --> Bombs and other 
Incendiary Devices - Question


On Sun, 9 May 2010, Dennis Nedry wrote:

> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Steve Radich <stever@bitshop. com> wrote:
>
>>
>> 1) If the world followed this philosophy Hitler would be in power, it
>> wasn't "our" business to stop him from killing Germans (Jews, Polish, etc.).
>> It started as German citizens they didn't want - clearly within "their"
>> business by the above definition. Yes, expanded and I don't want to get the
>> thread off to history - just pointing out at the beginning it wasn't the
>> world's business and I don't think anyone would say the world would be a
>> better place if everyone minded their own business.
>>
>>
> I call Goodwin's.  You loose.  (;
>
AFAIK, it's "Godwin". :)

g.

--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim. com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.simpits. org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!






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On Mon, 10 May 2010, Bruce A Wakelee wrote:

> I always want to push people into an oven when they invoke godwin as an
> excuse to dismiss someone.
>
S'ok, I feel the same about top posters.... :)

g.

--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Bruce A Wakelee <pyster@...> wrote:

>
>
> I always want to push people into an oven when they invoke godwin as an
> excuse to dismiss someone.
>
> -Bruce
>

I could point out that a certian someone ordered many of my relatives to be
pushed into ovens during WWII, and take offence.  Some of those who didn't
get pushed had those numbers tatooed on their arms.

I think I'll give it a pass this time...

I don't even know what we are arguing about... I don't see how invoking
Godwin (spelt correctly this time) is worse than invoking that certian
someone.
--
I know a mouse
And he hasn't got a house
I don't know why
I call him Gerald
He's getting rather old
But he's a good mouse

- Syd Barrett


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Reminds me of an old Hank Williams song.. "Mind your own business and you
won't be mindin' mine..."



From: 80sBBS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:80sBBS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
deeplyshrouded
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:02 PM
To: 80sBBS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [80sBBS] Re: Busted BBSes of the 1980s --> Bombs and other
Incendiary Devices - Question





> When I was I think 12..maybe 13, a neighbor put his entire Playboy
> collection on the curb next to his garbage can. It just so happens that i
> got there before the trash guy did. There were probably 5 years worth of
> magazines in the box.
>
> I had built myself a "fort" of sorts in the woods that summer. I
> proceeded to wallpaper every surface, save the floor with pictures of
> naked women. It was glorious! *laughs* Anyway, this younger neighbor kid
> decides he's going to throw me under the bus with my mom by telling her
> about my rather unique wallpaper style...
>
> So here I stand in the kitchen while this traitorous little snot bag rats
> me out. I'm *convinced* I'm going to be skinned alive and then put on
> restriction until the heat death of the universe...

After that, I'd have taken that neighbor kid outside and popped him
one for messing with something that wasn't his business to begin
with. That's one thing I can't stand is people who get into things
they shouldn't be getting into.
I think if people minded their own business, the world would be
a better place. Anyways, when I ran a d-dial back in the 80's it
was that very thing that led me to take it down. People couldn't
mind their own business and was always getting into mine, so finally
I said, screw it. I didn't need the aggravation.

--Deeply Shrouded & Quiet
--Central Control! D-Dial #49





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I agree with you on all points.. I've recently had issues with neighbors who
because they dislike cats decided to call animal control on my household,
even though we're within the legal limit on number and ours are healthy and
well taken care of, yet they let their dog run loose all the time.. People
need to examine their own shit to make sure it doesn't stink before digging
in someone elses..



From: 80sBBS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:80sBBS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Joe Roberts
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 3:34 PM
To: 80sBBS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [80sBBS] Re: Busted BBSes of the 1980s --> Bombs and other
Incendiary Devices - Question





On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Steve Radich <stever@...
<mailto:stever%40bitshop.com> > wrote:

> I don't mean to be overly negative about your post, but I want to point
out two things:

> 1)      If the world followed this philosophy Hitler would be in power, it
wasn't "our" business to stop him from killing Germans (Jews, Polish, etc.).
It started as German citizens they didn't want - clearly within "their"
business by the above definition.  Yes, expanded and I don't want to get the
thread off to history - just pointing out at the beginning it wasn't the
world's business and I don't think anyone would say the world would be a
better place if everyone minded their own business.

I think the concept of "leave us alone" is predicated upon the context
of "victimless crimes," which is what we're talking about here. The
point about Hitler is that he was not minding his own business and was
in fact committing a crime which makes it everyone's business, the
same way when a rapist is victimizing someone, it's all of our
business.

But this doesn't really cover the snotnosed busybody little
tattletales in our culture who don't understand boundaries. And I
would extend this to politics too, and the amount of intrusion into
our lives the crimes of the few have justified in the minds of so
many. Liberty's price is that you don't get a perfectly antiseptic,
padded-room society. A little danger comes with it. It's still a
bargain in my opinion. Liberty ought to exist in an environment of
reason, anyway, which gives a common framework for our dealings with
others.

> 2)      There's a saying: "Evil will prevail when good men do nothing" -
Edmund Burke is apparently the author.

Right, except to some people smoking a joint or looking at naked women
is "evil." A corollary to Burke's admirable sentiment here is:
Authoritarianism can also prevail when self-righteous men insist on
standing on my dick.

> Now about the context of your post this may not apply, but you made your
statement pretty broad so I'm pointing pointed this out.

I'm pretty sure the context was implied. In one case, a ddial which
was private property: "democracy" on bulletin boards is at the
pleasure of the SysOp, or more precisely, the one who plays the build
and mixes his labor with the application, and in the other case, a
pornographic pleasure shack, neither of which infringe anyone else's
rights. Not to use political terminology or whatever, but I've
noticed over the course of my life that "shall not be infringed" is a
statement people take to mean exactly opposite of what it actually
does mean. Or free speech, "except/but." I regard the "except/but"
crowd as a far greater threat than the occasional guy who uses his
freedom to be an asshole.

> I want to conclude with people many times interfere FAR too much, and
freedom is great and should be respected by all (including the person who is
free to do what they want).  If everyone was free, lived decent, and didn't
try to hurt  /take advantage of others then the world would be a better
place and nobody would need to mind anyone but their own business - I just
don't feel that's realistic very often.

I have felt pushed around by laws, rules, and regulations governing
what I can and can't do far often than I've felt pushed around by
people who were doing "evil." That's just a statement of my own
existence in the United States. That could change, of course. But
from my point of view, most people do live free and decently. At
least, far more than than don't. And the minority who don't certainly
do not provide ample justification for more laws, more regulation, or
in a word, more violations of our civil liberties. I am still far
more wary about laws, authority, government, and so on, than I am
about occasional crimes of immoral individuals.

I am 37 years old right now. One time, a few years ago, some
aassholes broke into my truck in Tucson, and attempted to steal it.
We caught them in the middle of it and they ran.

Setting aside schoolyard scrapes, that's the only crime I've ever been
a victim of a crime that I can recall. That's not a bad record,
especially when you consider that stealing trucks is already a crime
(and even this started with them sticking their nose into my business:
my truck).

> I probably deviated already too far off topic from 80sBBSes,

It's okay. The point of this list is less about staying on topic all
the time and more for a crowd of people who were "there" to hang out
and have discussions.





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--- On Sun, 4/25/10, murdoch <murdoch@...> wrote:

From: murdoch <murdoch@...>
Subject: [80sBBS] modern-day financial information systems
To: 80sBBS@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 1:25 PM

       I think there are some similarities to old-style BBS's.  If one uses

Thomson ONE Equity or Bloomberg, one might not at first think "BBS",

but I see some similarities (I haven't used competing systems from

Factset or Telekurs, etc.).

------------

a lot of these torrent sites are very much like bbs communities.
they (optionally] have files, msgs, online games, and shoutboxes.
template shares torrent sites are very much like bbses.

I'm not sure I'd post this here, but this caught my eye:

>They have called their project Diaspora* and intend to
>distribute the software free, and to make the code openly
>available so that other programmers can build on it. As they
>describe it, the Diaspora* software will let users set up
>their own personal servers, called seeds, create their own
>hubs and fully control the information they share. Mr.
>Sofaer says that centralized networks like Facebook are not
>necessary. “In our real lives, we talk to each other,” he
>said. “We don’t need to hand our messages to a hub. What
>Facebook gives you as a user isn’t all that hard to do. All
>the little games, the little walls, the little chat, aren’t
>really rare things. The technology already exists.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/12/nyregion/12about.html

--- On Wed, 5/12/10, murdoch <murdoch@...> wrote:

From: murdoch <murdoch@...>
Subject: [80sBBS] article: Four Nerds and a Cry to Arms Against Facebook
To: 80sBBS@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:01 PM







 











I'm not sure I'd post this here, but this caught my eye:



>They have called their project Diaspora* and intend to

>distribute the software free, and to make the code openly

>available so that other programmers can build on it. As they

>describe it, the Diaspora* software will let users set up

>their own personal servers, called seeds, create their own

>hubs and fully control the information they share. Mr.

>Sofaer says that centralized networks like Facebook are not

>necessary. “In our real lives, we talk to each other,” he

>said. “We don’t need to hand our messages to a hub. What

>Facebook gives you as a user isn’t all that hard to do. All

>the little games, the little walls, the little chat, aren’t

>really rare things. The technology already exists.”



http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/12/nyregion/12about.html

-------------------


yeah i saw this and talk about appleseed.  both seem like failware.

On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Jason H. <mroblivious1bmf@...> wrote:
> --- On Wed, 5/12/10, murdoch <murdoch@...> wrote:
>
> From: murdoch <murdoch@...>
> Subject: [80sBBS] article: Four Nerds and a Cry to Arms Against Facebook
> To: 80sBBS@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:01 PM
>
> I'm not sure I'd post this here, but this caught my eye:
>
>>They have called their project Diaspora* and intend to
>>distribute the software free, and to make the code openly
>>available so that other programmers can build on it. As they
>>describe it, the Diaspora* software will let users set up
>>their own personal servers, called seeds, create their own
>>hubs and fully control the information they share. Mr.
>>Sofaer says that centralized networks like Facebook are not
>>necessary. “In our real lives, we talk to each other,” he
>>said. “We don’t need to hand our messages to a hub. What
>>Facebook gives you as a user isn’t all that hard to do. All
>>the little games, the little walls, the little chat, aren’t
>>really rare things. The technology already exists.”
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/12/nyregion/12about.html
>
>> yeah i saw this and talk about appleseed.  both seem like failware.

Among other things, I'm involved in ebooks, and I see an assortment of
people viewing self-publishing in ebook format as the Promised Land
for the aspiring author.  But it doesn't address the underlying
problem of "How do you let folks who might be interested in your work
know it *exists*?"

I see similar problems here.  I could set up  a server now and do my
own information sharing, but unless my goal was sharing information
with a few friends, it would only be part of the equation.  If I
wanted to reach a large audience, I'd face the challenge of informing
that audience I existed and had stuff to share.

The attractive thing about Facebook is that half the known universe
seems to be on it.

I'm not concerned about privacy of what I put on Facebook, because I
never assumed it *was* private, and I'm circumspect about what I put
there.
_____
Dennis

On Fri, 21 May 2010, Jason H. wrote:

> I'm not sure I'd post this here, but this caught my eye:

<snip>

It's worse than failware...it's worse than vaporware...it's vaporfail.
These guys are advertising features that look like something a pre-CS
student wrote down as a wishlist. They haven't demo'd any code yet.
Somehow, though, people sent them money anyway. Unbelievable.

Hey, I've got an idea for something that will never see the light of day
too. Send me money.

I'm curious if any of you folks had any software that you grew
attached to.  If I recall, I sort of liked Robomail for awhile, along
with one or two others.

I don't recall offhand which groups or collections of groups that I
favored.

I preferred SLMR (Silly Little Mail Reader)



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To: 80sBBS@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [80sBBS] favorite qwk mail reader software? discussion groups?





I'm curious if any of you folks had any software that you grew
attached to. If I recall, I sort of liked Robomail for awhile, along
with one or two others.

I don't recall offhand which groups or collections of groups that I
favored.




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On Fri, 21 May 2010 12:27:44 -0400, dmccunney
<dennis.mccunney@...> wrote:

>On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Jason H. <mroblivious1bmf@...> wrote:
>> --- On Wed, 5/12/10, murdoch <murdoch@...> wrote:
>>
>> From: murdoch <murdoch@...>
>> Subject: [80sBBS] article: Four Nerds and a Cry to Arms Against Facebook
>> To: 80sBBS@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 8:01 PM
>>
>> I'm not sure I'd post this here, but this caught my eye:
>>
>>>They have called their project Diaspora* and intend to
>>>distribute the software free, and to make the code openly
>>>available so that other programmers can build on it. As they
>>>describe it, the Diaspora* software will let users set up
>>>their own personal servers, called seeds, create their own
>>>hubs and fully control the information they share. Mr.
>>>Sofaer says that centralized networks like Facebook are not
>>>necessary. “In our real lives, we talk to each other,” he
>>>said. “We don’t need to hand our messages to a hub. What
>>>Facebook gives you as a user isn’t all that hard to do. All
>>>the little games, the little walls, the little chat, aren’t
>>>really rare things. The technology already exists.”
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/12/nyregion/12about.html
>>
>>> yeah i saw this and talk about appleseed.  both seem like failware.
>
>Among other things, I'm involved in ebooks, and I see an assortment of
>people viewing self-publishing in ebook format as the Promised Land
>for the aspiring author.  But it doesn't address the underlying
>problem of "How do you let folks who might be interested in your work
>know it *exists*?"
>
>I see similar problems here.  I could set up  a server now and do my
>own information sharing, but unless my goal was sharing information
>with a few friends, it would only be part of the equation.  If I
>wanted to reach a large audience, I'd face the challenge of informing
>that audience I existed and had stuff to share.
>
>The attractive thing about Facebook is that half the known universe
>seems to be on it.
>
>I'm not concerned about privacy of what I put on Facebook, because I
>never assumed it *was* private, and I'm circumspect about what I put
>there.
>_____
>Dennis

There was what amounted (for me) to a followup today:

http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/24/rivals-seize-on-troubles-of-faceboo\
k/?src=busln

This blog enumerates several would-be facebook competitors, not just
that one.

I liked Bluewave.  I keep thinking about writing a new one...

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:38 PM, The Shrink <Shrink908@...> wrote:

>
>
> I preferred SLMR (Silly Little Mail Reader)
>
> From: 80sBBS@yahoogroups.com <80sBBS%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> 80sBBS@yahoogroups.com <80sBBS%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
> murdoch
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 4:54 PM
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> Subject: [80sBBS] favorite qwk mail reader software? discussion groups?
>
>
> I'm curious if any of you folks had any software that you grew
> attached to. If I recall, I sort of liked Robomail for awhile, along
> with one or two others.
>
> I don't recall offhand which groups or collections of groups that I
> favored.
>
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On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 5:54 PM, murdoch <murdoch@...> wrote:
> I'm curious if any of you folks had any software that you grew
> attached to.  If I recall, I sort of liked Robomail for awhile, along
> with one or two others.
>
> I don't recall offhand which groups or collections of groups that I
> favored.

I looked at a lot of stuff, and jumped into offline readers with both
feet.  At one point I moderated a conference devoted to offline reader
software on the RIME network.

Most of what I called directly were PCBoards or systems that used QWK
packets for offline mail. I started with Mark Herring's QReader, but
moved to Eric Cockrell's EZ-Reader fairly soon.  I also looked at Kip
Compton's MegaReader, because it maintained mail in a local database,
usijng QWK packets as the input format and REP packets to hold
replies.  I later migrated to Pat Hart's Session Manager, which also
used a database format, though I had SLMR and Mustang Software's
Offline Express as well.

I also called Fido systems, and for that, used George Hatchew's Blue
Wave.  The latter, alas, got bitten by the Y2K bug, and never did get
an update.
_____
Dennis

On 24 May 2010 14:54, murdoch <murdoch@...> wrote:
> I'm curious if any of you folks had any software that you grew
> attached to.  If I recall, I sort of liked Robomail for awhile, along
> with one or two others.
>
> I don't recall offhand which groups or collections of groups that I
> favored.
>


We didn't have such things in the Commodore world... Or if we did, I
never used them...

-Andrew

On Mon, 24 May 2010 19:13:32 -0400, dmccunney
<dennis.mccunney@...> wrote:

>On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 5:54 PM, murdoch <murdoch@...> wrote:
>> I'm curious if any of you folks had any software that you grew
>> attached to.  If I recall, I sort of liked Robomail for awhile, along
>> with one or two others.
>>
>> I don't recall offhand which groups or collections of groups that I
>> favored.
>
>I looked at a lot of stuff, and jumped into offline readers with both
>feet.  At one point I moderated a conference devoted to offline reader
>software on the RIME network.
>
>Most of what I called directly were PCBoards or systems that used QWK
>packets for offline mail. I started with Mark Herring's QReader, but
>moved to Eric Cockrell's EZ-Reader fairly soon.  I also looked at Kip
>Compton's MegaReader, because it maintained mail in a local database,
>usijng QWK packets as the input format and REP packets to hold
>replies.  I later migrated to Pat Hart's Session Manager, which also
>used a database format, though I had SLMR and Mustang Software's
>Offline Express as well.
>
>I also called Fido systems, and for that, used George Hatchew's Blue
>Wave.  The latter, alas, got bitten by the Y2K bug, and never did get
>an update.
>_____
>Dennis

I took a quick look around and stumbled across this link:

http://archives.thebbs.org/ra110a.htm

Aside from Robomail, the other one I remember buying or trying was
Sempoint.  I don't think I used it that much.  It was
windows-oriented, for one thing, so none of that DOS look and feel.
I'm not saying this was a good or bad thing, but it was one aspect of
it.  I think I came across it later on, after I'd done most of my
bbs'ing.  Eventually I did some usenet and got a reader (which I still
use, as we can see) which did both email and newsgroups, offline if I
wanted.

There must have been other .qwk mail readers I tried, but I don't
remember which ones.  I always thought it was a cool aspect of
bbs'ing.... was it the seeming efficiency of it that I found elegant?
Or something else?  Not sure.

yeah. I liked blue wave too. I would leech messages in the morning and then read
them during on my 486 laptop at work. I tried once explaining to a co worker
what it was all about. they didnt get it.

  -Bruce



----- Original Message ----
From: Dennis Nedry <dennis@...>
To: 80sBBS@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 6:40:19 PM
Subject: Re: [80sBBS] favorite qwk mail reader software? discussion groups?

I liked Bluewave.  I keep thinking about writing a new one...

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Bruce A Wakelee <pyster@...> wrote:

>
>
> yeah. I liked blue wave too. I would leech messages in the morning and then
> read them during on my 486 laptop at work. I tried once explaining to a co
> worker what it was all about. they didnt get it.
>
> -Bruce--
>

I've been toying with the idea of resurrecting Bluewave.  I'm not sure if
there are enough people using offline readers to make it worthwile..

Thinking Iphone version as well...

--
I know a mouse
And he hasn't got a house
I don't know why
I call him Gerald
He's getting rather old
But he's a good mouse

- Syd Barrett


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On Tue, 25 May 2010, Dennis Nedry wrote:
> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Bruce A Wakelee <pyster@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> yeah. I liked blue wave too. I would leech messages in the morning and then
>> read them during on my 486 laptop at work. I tried once explaining to a co
>> worker what it was all about. they didnt get it.
>>
>> -Bruce--
>>
>
> I've been toying with the idea of resurrecting Bluewave.  I'm not sure if
> there are enough people using offline readers to make it worthwile..
>
I've got one I'll post in a little while.  I haven't worked on it for four
years or so...

> Thinking Iphone version as well...

Yeah, no.  Any company that dictates what programming language you're
"permitted" to use to write apps for their platform can fuck right off.

g.


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On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Gene Buckle <geneb@...> wrote:

> Yeah, no. Any company that dictates what programming language you're
> "permitted" to use to write apps for their platform can fuck right off.--
>

I'm tempted to agree.  Are you locked into objective-c?


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On Tue, 25 May 2010, Dennis Nedry wrote:

> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Gene Buckle <geneb@...> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, no. Any company that dictates what programming language you're
>> "permitted" to use to write apps for their platform can fuck right off.--
>>
>
> I'm tempted to agree.  Are you locked into objective-c?
>
Nope.  I've never even seen it.  The only valid excuse for not being able
to use my language of choice is if it's simply not available for a given
platform.

For those that are interested, here's my QWK reader project:
http://www.geneb.org/qwktel.zip

When you execute it, it may trigger your firewall.  Allow it - I use a
loopback telnet interface for message display and interaction.

You can only read, not post.  Once you enter the configuration info (it'll
ask for it) open a QWK packet and it'll rename it .zip and unpack it to
the work directory supplied in the configuration editor.

g.


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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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