Excuse the pun  "what goes around ...."  but
this patent is Minto's wheel  circa 1881.

The patent talks to the concept of the 'pulse-glass'
which is demonstrated in the following link.

http://www.physics.umd.edu/deptinfo/facilities/lecdem/services/demos/demosi4/i4-\
18.htm


R. Sexmith

Hi,
    I thought that this link might be of interest to anyone receiving
messages from a yahoogroups email list. Click on the link below for a
full explanation from Yahoo.
    In essence, yahoo uses hidden trackers in its network. They are even
embedded in the emails that you receive from the groups. They know who
you are, when you open the message and how you act on it.
    So much for privacy. It says that you can opt-out though.
Link: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html
MJ
Quote: "HTML Mail Yahoo!'s practice is to include web beacons in
HTML-formatted email messages (messages that include graphics) that
Yahoo!, or its agents, sends in order to determine which email messages
were opened and to note whether a message was acted upon."

Mike Johnston wrote:

>    In essence, yahoo uses hidden trackers in its network. They are even
> embedded in the emails that you receive from the groups.

Depending on your email user agent, it's actually quite easy to block
these things. In the latest version of Mozilla, pull down the Edit menu
and select Preferences. Expand the Privacy & Security heading, if
necessary. Select "Images". Turn on the switch labeled "Do not load
remote images in Mail & Newsgroup messages".

This is a good idea in general, as much spam (especially porno spam)
consists of relatively small pieces of HTML that load remote images off
the web that carry most of the ad.

Phil

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www.expage.com/wingedserpentmaster (Official Website)

Hi,

I'd like to know which amp or "speakers" work best during live perfomances? I have a korg EM-1 electribe and I'd just like to know which speaker monitor work best for it. I've never played live before but I'm starting to and I don't have an "amp" or whatever you call it for my korg EM-1. I'm looking for a small or light-weight gear that's maybe around $200 or under. New or used. I'm 19 years old and I don't have a car, I live in Glenn Dale, Maryland. That's why I need something small or light-weight gear so I can take it with me on the subway, busses, cabs, etc... any info from djs or "musicians" here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Adhab

Start off with a pignose, it makes the most with the
least. Then put your money into buying a van, then get
yourself some good used sound equipment.
{The van keeps the equipment dry and securely under
lock & key....don't get a van with a window in the
roof, they leak! Or if ya do, pick one with the
sunroof up front, that way only YOU get wet, and not
the equipment.}
   Ask other musicians in your area where to pick-up
used equipment really cheap. And don't be too
supprised if they direct ya to some weird guy with a
barnfull of stuff, who also does repairs on it too.
{Make this guy your best friend. With the bribe of a
six-pack or 2, he might even show ya how to hook up
the pignose to your van's battery for playing at
picnics and other such partys. If ya get him hooked up
with a girl, he might even hook up some solar panels
to your van and set ya up with a duel battery system,
so that ya can start up the van after the party too.}

    The Dragon


>    Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:46:02 -0800 (PST)
>    From: homegrown_amateur
> <homegrown_amateur@...>
> Subject: what's the best amps or speakers for live
> purposes?
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to know which amp or "speakers" work best
> during live perfomances? I have a korg EM-1
> electribe and I'd just like to know which speaker
> monitor work best for it. I've never played live
> before but I'm starting to and I don't have an "amp"
> or whatever you call it for my korg EM-1. I'm
> looking for a small or light-weight gear that's
> maybe around $200 or under. New or used. I'm 19
> years old and I don't have a car, I live in Glenn
> Dale, Maryland. That's why I need something small or
> light-weight gear so I can take it with me on the
> subway, busses, cabs, etc... any info from djs or
> "musicians" here would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.
>
> Adhab


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Hello all.

I am trying to find a low temperature heat engine that will work with a
heat source temperature of 200 degrees Fahrenheit or less.  Thus far, I
cannot find much.  I did find one, which is quite interesting.  It works
with liquefied CO2 as its medium.  It's still in the prototype
stage.  Here's the link: http://delugeinc.com/.  I'd like to find something
that is on the market or is close to the market, is available in a size of
2 HP or bigger, and is at least comparable cost wise to solar PV once you
attach a solar collector and a generator to it.  Does anyone know of such a
thing?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Ron Frazier

------------------------

(Those of you who've seen what's below regarding patent storage, just
ignore it.)

For those of you that have not seen it.  I am hosting a number of patent
storage areas on Yahoo based on suggestions from members of some energy
lists.  These are freely available for anyone to post and retrieve patents
related to energy.  You are invited to join if you wish.  Please respect
any relevant copyrights when you post material.  All group members may
access the files.  Solar related topics are welcome.

Here is an update on the patent storage areas I am hosting.

Based on a request from a user, I have added 3 specific groups for the
storage of Tesla patent files.  Please add new files for Tesla to this
area.  Note, if you've already posted Tesla files in the energypatents
areas, you do NOT have to move them unless you choose to.  I have placed
cross references between the energypatents areas and the Tesla areas.

If you'd like to see a specific group for a certain inventor, please write
me directly at rfrazier@....  The inventor should have at least 15
patents.

Here is the current status on my groups as of 02/12/03:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents1/ - full - 57 Tesla patents, others
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents2/ - 7 MB free - various files
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents3/ - full - 64 Tesla patents
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents4/ - 9 MB free - 13 Tesla
patents, others
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents5/ - empty
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents6/ - empty
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents7/ - empty
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents8/ - empty
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents9/ - empty

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatentstesla1/ - empty
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatentstesla2/ - empty
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatentstesla3/ - empty

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/futureenergynow/ - 17 MB free - general
discussion and files about alternative energy.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/futureenergyproducts/ - empty - detailed
messages and files about specific alternative energy products.

http://c3energy.com/alt_energy/ - various interesting files.  Additions by
request only and only if not conducive to posting on Yahoo.

Thanks very much to those who've contributed patents thus far.  This is
shaping up to be a great collection.

Sincerely,

Ron Frazier

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Hello Ron,
so what you want is >>> something
LOTs of PEOPLE (RE)SEARCH FOR...but it's not invented yet ..otherwise you would
have heard about it...
So, what comes more or less close to a heat engine with quite
high power performance is the engine of Mr. Takeuchi of Japan. He is working at
SUCTION GAS ENGINE Mfg. Co. Ltd.
in Tokyo (E-mail: takeuchi@... or have a look at
http://www.suction.co.jp/
If you want to build an engine on your own and develop an
(perhaps better ?) own approach, have a look at the
LTD Stirling engines and/or have a look at my website,
which shows you some basic designs of engines running
with a 'hot' end below 200 degrees Farenheit and are very
simple constructed.
http://members.aol.com/hstierhof

Good Luck

Hubert Stierhof

It has been a couple months since Boyd's passing and I miss him.

As irascible and contrary as he could be, he was still someone I
enjoyed having extended, errrrr, discussions with. Whether Boyd ever
understand the import of the 2nd law of thermodynamics was, to me,
irrelevant. He made interesting observations and sent me info I would
not have otherwise known.

On this day of Valentines, I send to Boyd and all his family this
aether note using ethernet, extending my best regards and hope for
their future.

Mike

Hello all.

I am trying to find a low temperature heat engine that will work with a
heat source temperature of 200 degrees Fahrenheit or less.  Thus far, I
cannot find much.  I did find one, which is quite interesting.  It works
with liquefied CO2 as its medium.  It's still in the prototype
stage.  Here's the link: http://delugeinc.com/.  I'd like to find something
that is on the market or is close to the market, is available in a size of
2 HP or bigger, and is at least comparable cost wise to solar PV once you
attach a solar collector and a generator to it.  Does anyone know of such a
thing?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I know it isn't what you're looking for, but steam is only 12 degres
higher in temperature. Horsepower is dependant upon piston diameter and
pressure. The headache will be generating the pressure with higher
cylinder volume using it up.
cara

Ronald W. Frazier wrote:
>
> Hello all again,
>
> Below is the message I originally wrote the other day.  I have already

Hi Ron,

You could look at adapting any IC engine (in particular diesels) for
use by changing the head and injection/exhaust system. Another
thought is to check out the tesla turbine group on yahoo - relatively
easy construction but generally being designed for higher temps, of
course, these can also be adapted by changing blade size.

  Some have experimented with the use of automobile AC compressors
operated in reverse, likewise turbochargers.

Steam is a possibility but a better choice might be various
refrigerants - freon, ammonia, butane, propane, CO2, etc. Lots of
info on the web.

If you need some links - tell me - and I'll put a few together.

Mike

Hi Ron,

You could look at adapting any IC engine (in particular diesels) for
use by changing the head and injection/exhaust system. Another
thought is to check out the tesla turbine group on yahoo - relatively
easy construction but generally being designed for higher temps, of
course, these can also be adapted by changing blade size.

Some have experimented with the use of automobile AC compressors
operated in reverse, likewise turbochargers.

Steam is a possibility but a better choice might be various
refrigerants - freon, ammonia, butane, propane, CO2, etc. Lots of
info on the web.

If you need some links - tell me - and I'll put a few together.

Mike

Just a few to get you started

Really Good site on Heat Engines, also use with Solar
>>http://www.redrok.com/engine.htm

ASHRAE Site:
>>http://www.ashrae.org/

Tesla Turbine Links:
>>http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/gmpr/ptbctoc.htm
>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheTeslaTurbineList/

Fun with Homebuilt Jet Engines:
>>http://www.springerdev.com/jet/

Small Sterling Engines:
>>http://www.stirlingengine.com/

Beginning thread on Scroll-Rankine Solar Design:
>>http://sol.crest.org/renewables/solar-concentrator-list-
archive/msg00426.html

Mike
--- In AMBIENTENERGY@yahoogroups.com, "Ronald W. Frazier"
<energylist@c...> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Thanks for the note.  Any links you have readily available would be
> great.  I'm sure the whole group would enjoy them.  Don't go to a
lot of
> trouble though.  I cross posted this to a number of groups.  I'll
probably
> post your reply to several.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ron

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COMMENT BELOW:

--- In AMBIENTENERGY@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Karn" <anonanon7@y...>
wrote:
> --- In AMBIENTENERGY@y..., "marvinjasoncarter"
> <marvinjasoncarter@y...> wrote:
> > Mr. Phil,
> >
> > I've been thinking about your statement which says "when the
water
> > runs out, the bird stops even though there is plenty of heat left
> in
> > the atmosphere."  I have heard this said before and don't
> understand
> > what it proves.
>
> It proves a great deal.
>
> First, let's look at the laws of thermodynamics. The first law says
> that energy is conserved. (Actually, it's the sum of mass plus
energy,
> but that Einsteinean detail is not important here.)
>
> The second law says that in any spontaneous process, the entropy of
> a closed system must always increase.
>
> "Entropy" has units of heat energy divided by absolute
temperature, so
> when heat flows from a hot source into a cold sink it increases the
> sink's entropy by more than it decreases the source's entropy.
> Therefore the second law permits heat to flow spontaneously from a
hot
> object to a cold object until the two objects are at the same
> temperature. Then the heat flow must stop.
>
> Any real system, such as an engine, must obey both laws of
> thermodynamics at all times.
>
> The second law explains why it is not possible to build an engine
> whose sole function is to convert heat from a single reservoir
(e.g.,
> the atmosphere) into useful work.
>
> The toy bird does indeed convert heat from the atmosphere into (a
> small amount) of useful work, BUT THAT IS NOT ITS ONLY RESULT -- it
> also evaporates water. And it just so happens that when you
evaporate
> water, you increase its entropy. A lot. So much so that its entropy
> can increase even when its temperature decreases; that's how "swamp
> coolers" can work.
>
> The dippy bird increases the entropy of the water it evaporates by
> more than it decreases the entropy of the atmosphere by removing
heat
> from it. This satisfies the second law, so it can run
spontaneously.
>
> But without liquid water to evaporate, the bird no longer has
> something whose entropy can be increased. So it stops running. To
> continue running it would have to decrease the total entropy of the
> universe, and that's directly forbidden by the second law.
>
> Phil

Phil,

   If I put a dippy bird in glass container and put him in water up
to his ankles and sealed the glass container would he ever run out
of water? IF so, where does the water go?

Inquiring minds just gotta know...
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Sam wrote:

>   If I put a dippy bird in glass container and put him in water up
> to his ankles and sealed the glass container would he ever run out
> of water? IF so, where does the water go?
>
> Inquiring minds just gotta know...

Sorry it took so long to respond, I just noticed your note yesterday.

The answer is very simple. When the humidity of the space above the
water gets high enough, additional water will be unable to evaporate
from the bird's beak and it will stop dipping.

Phil

Sam wrote:

> OK, so now I put a strong magnifying glass aimed at the birds beak
> when he is at his "standing" position that he holds for a few
> seconds to help dry up his beak some there...
>
> Would this speed up the normal process in any way?
> SO, what you are saying is there is no way to produce a micro
> climate that a poor little dippy bird would thrive in?

This might work, provided that the water vapor in the closed container
could radiate enough heat out through the glass to keep it at a
temperature below that produced on the bird's beak by the sunlight. Then
you'd have a heat engine working between the sun on the hot side and the
earth's ambient temperature on the cold side. But if you didn't let the
solar heat escape, then the bird would stop working when the temperature
of the water vapor reaches that of the hot spot produced by the
sunlight. Eventually, of course, it would also stop working when the
whole thing melts and vaporizes.

Phil

Sam, my email to you is bouncing with an "unknown user" error from
mindlink. You're using address dabbs@....

Phil