THANKS JAY,

I have tested out the APIC application with success in my recreational
aircraft (Jabiru)using a Deluo bluetooth GPS and an old Fujitsu Tablet
PC.  The limitation was the PC as it was old generation and would not
run Win XP.  This prohibited me from running the latest APIC software
version.  I also intend using a bluetooth Egryro.  THANKS for the
headsup on  Motion Computing PC.  I will follow it up now.

Daryl Hooke
Paradise Beach
Australia





--- In APIC_Group@yahoogroups.com, Jay Caldwell <caldwelljf@...> wrote:
>
> Daryl...
>
>   I have ordered the Motion Computing LS800 Tablet PC.  The model is
the LS800.  The features that sent me that way were;
>   Size: 8" Screen
>   Anti-glare screen (sunlight glare protected
>   Touchscreen with included "pencil"
>   Surface mount available
>   Bluetooth wireless comms (can use Bluetooth GPS)
>   Others
>
>   I plan on using a Bluetooth GPS and a Bluetooth electronic Gyro.
>
>   I had bought a 12 " HP Tablet PC and that was a mistake; size and
glare on screen.
>
>   I haven't loaded the sw yet and rung it out so I don't know about
performance.
>
>   Their website is http://www.motioncomputing.com
>

>
>
> Jay F. Caldwell
> Owner, Caldwell Systems Engineering (CSE), LLC
> 4181 Tamilynn Court
> San Diego, CA 92122
> Voice 858.453.4594
> Facsimile 858.452.1560
> Work 619.562.0885
> Mobile 858.336.0394
>

Jay,

I'm also an APIC user and I'm looking at hardware to support the
application. I'm interested in what type of Tablet computers you are
planning to use on your panel.

THANKS

Daryl Hooke
Paradise Beach Australia
Jabiru SPT-3300 Owner/Builder

>
> I am planning 2 Motion Computers mounted on my Instrument Panel
running the APIC Software.
>

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Jay,

I'm also an APIC user and I'm looking at hardware to support the
application.  I'm interested in what type of Tablet computers you are
planning to use on your panel.

THANKS

Daryl Hooke
Paradise Beach Australia
Jabiru SPT-3300 Owner/Builder



>
>    I am planning 2 Motion Computers mounted on my Instrument Panel
running the APIC Software.
>

A couple of ideas...

1)       Change the data path to store files on an SD Card.  You can
change the path by editing the file XmLink.ini to something like the
following.

DataPath=\Storage Card\Approach\Apic\data\Wx

2)       Purge files more frequently.  By default the XmLink
application purges files older than 4 hours.  You can purge more often
(any files older than 1 hour) by adding the following line to your
XmLink.ini file under the [StartUp] section

PurgeFiles=1



--- In APIC_Group@yahoogroups.com, Tom Jackson <tomjackjr@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> My challenge has been too much data collected and it takes all my
memory. This is weather data I am talking about.  My WxWorx receiver
feeds the PDA and after about six hours of flying I get low memory
warnings.  I was hoping there was a way to tell the system to dump
this weather data when I shut down but no luck so far.  So what I do
is activesync, explore, and delete the weather files after flights I
use wx worx.
>
> There must be a way to program this into the software though.  Any
ideas from anyone?  Tom Jr.
>
>
>
> ----
> Tom Jackson, Jr.
> Louisville, KY
> (361) 228-9008
> tomjackjr@...
>

Just to let you all know Approach Systems and the APIC software is
still up and running just fine.  We are actually going to be in
Puywallup, WA this weekend at the big Airshow There.  We are also on
the brink of announcing viewable and flyable IFR approach plates
inside of the APIC application.

There seems to be some problem that many customers have been getting
with Approach email.  Despite the fact that many people have received
a "mailbox full" notification after sending emails to the sales or
support email accounts, we still receive all of the emails that have
been sent to us.  I tested it with a few emails today, and it works.
An alternate email for any questions or concerns that should work just
fine is rob@....

If anyone in the group has anymroe trouble or questions, please make a
post and I will try and get back to you. Thanks

-Rob
APIC Support

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Hi

Was thinking of using the software, is the company still going??

Brian

--- In APIC_Group@yahoogroups.com, "wa4ctm" <larry.miner@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Group! Larry here.  Finally found on the web what looks to be a
> pretty good system - APIC.  Began the download/install process and
> ding! - all the emails are returned from Approach Systems, as their
> mailbox is full??  Then I ran the application and it seemed to
function
> until I went to Settings - Display and enabled a few things like
roads
> and rivers.  Then CRASH!!  And I cannot get the app to allow me to
> reset those things.
>
> Any hints?  Reloading I guess is an option, but a bummer.
>
> Anyway, activity on this group seems extremely slow, so I will lurk
for
> awhile!
>
> Larry Miner
> Missionary Pilot with Alpha Aviation
>

Hi Group! Larry here.  Finally found on the web what looks to be a
pretty good system - APIC.  Began the download/install process and
ding! - all the emails are returned from Approach Systems, as their
mailbox is full??  Then I ran the application and it seemed to function
until I went to Settings - Display and enabled a few things like roads
and rivers.  Then CRASH!!  And I cannot get the app to allow me to
reset those things.

Any hints?  Reloading I guess is an option, but a bummer.

Anyway, activity on this group seems extremely slow, so I will lurk for
awhile!

Larry Miner
Missionary Pilot with Alpha Aviation

Can you run more than one pda off of one receiver. I would like to have
2 in the cockpit. The moving map and one that I can use all the other
features on.

Degan

Can you run more than one pda off of one receiver. I would like to have
2 in the cockpit. The moving map and one that I can use all the other
features on.

Degan

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From: cjmaslow

To: APIC_Group@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:01 PM

Subject: [APIC_Group] Re: Feature requests

These are some good ideas. To tell the truth, the focus of our
software has not been on the VOR/NAV because as far as functionality
goes, the moving map overshadows them in most scenarios. I can see
why for some occasions it would be nice to have though. I have sent
your ideas to our developers and we will see what we can do about it.
I wouldn't expect immediate results, because we are working on a
really cool new feature right now, but as soon as we are done with it
we will consider these ideas.

Casey
-Apic Support

--- In APIC_Group@yahoogroups.com, "by1429" <Bill@...> wrote:
>
> I purchased APIC about two weeks ago, just prior to a trip through
> Mexico, and found it incredibly useful for that trip. Having spent
> a few hours familiarizing myself with the application, then spending
> 26 hours in the plane during a 3300 mile round trip, I feel pretty
> comfortable with the software.
>
> There are a few things I'd like to see. I should have taken better
> notes, but these are the things that come to mind right now:
>
> 1) Configuration option for the track recording. I've written my
> own mapping applications, and would prefer to have raw data at 1
> second intervals for the duration of the trip. That may sound like
> a lot, but 3600 samples per second times 16 bytes for two double
> precision numbers, and another 8 bytes for a double for time results
> in about 80k/hour recording. Even 20 hours of track doesn't make a
> dent in a 128 meg SD card. This doesn't work as well if it's all
> XML data, but even then it should be easy to stay well under 100
> bytes/sample with lat/long, altitude, time. That's 360k/hour, which
> is 1 meg for 3 hours. As long as it goes on CF or SD it shouldn't
> be a problem. Heck, for that matter, you could just dump the NMEA
> sentences to CF or SD and let anyone do whatever they want with it.
> I have some things I'd love to do with that data.
>
> 2) I want to be able to switch the VOR/HSI page between GPS and a
> VOR. It appears this is in the works, or was intended to work, but
> I couldn't figure out how to do it, and didn't see it in the docs.
> If it's NOT in the works, it should be. There are many times that I
> wanted to be on a specific flight plan, but wanted to use the
> VOR/HSI to cross check for reporting purposes.
>
> 3) While we're on VORs, I want a list of the 10-15 closest VORs
> just like the nearest airports, and I want that to be the first page
> I get when clicking the "NAV" option on the VOR/HSI screen. 99
> times out of 100, the VOR I want to be using is going to be in that
> list, and being able to pick from that list rather than type in the
> 3 letter ident each time would be a great time saver. Have a button
> at the bottom of that page to go to the nav selection page that
> currently exists, for those rare cases that the VOR you want isn't
> in the 10 or 15 closest, or however many can fit on that page.
> Double columns for that list wouldn't hurt, since all you need is
> the ID and perhaps distance so maybe 20-30 VORs...
>
> 4) I still want the icon at the bottom of the screen that goes to
> the flight planning page to go to that page when I'm on an active
> flight plan. When I needed to change my flight plan in flight, I
> had to go to the menu, then flight planner. I don't understand why
> the flight plan icon would not work while on an active flight plan.
>
> 5) Back to VORs. I'd like more than one VOR/HSI screen. There
> were many times in Mexico, that different controlling agencies would
> want my radial and distance from different VORs along my route.
> Having one setup for my outbound track, another for my inbound
> track, and even a third for x-check would be useful. Making them
> separate screens would be fine, or having a list on the VOR/HSI
> screen would work as well. So the options inside the VOR/HSI
> instrument could be GPS/XXX/YYY/ZZZ. GPS would be for the GPS
> waypoint in the flightplan, and XXX, YYY, ZZZ represent three other
> VORs each with their own OBS settings, and I can just click on any
> of the four. It would be like having a GPS and 3 VOR receivers in
> my plane. THAT would be very handy for some flights, and it takes
> care of my point #2 above in an even better way. Yes, this would be
> my preferred way to handle this.
>
> 6) Finally, a quick way to essentially resume a flight plan from
> present position. When flying VFR as opposed to IFR, if I get off
> track, I often don't care if I ever get back on track or not. So if
> I've planned a flight from AAA to BBB then CCC, takeoff from AAA and
> get 5 miles x-track error from the AAA-BBB route, I want to have a
> quick way to resume from current position so my new flight plan is
> (current position)-BBB-CCC and the CDI is now centered for this
> leg. Practically useless for IFR flying, but very nice for VFR
> jaunts. Case in point, a 10 mile diversion around a thunderstorm
> VFR, and all I want to do is fly direct to my next waypoint, which
> is probably my final destiation anyway. I don't care that I'm 10
> miles to one side of my planned track, so let me just pick the
> flight plan back up from right where I am.
>
> Those are my ideas for how to improve an already great system. I
> really enjoyed using the software on my flight. 3300 miles is a
> long trip in a Grumman Traveller with single NAV/COMM and about 4
> hours of that trip was hard, hand-flown IFR. The APIC software made
> it easy to verify my situational awareness and focus on my flying.
>
> From one software engineer to another: Good job!
>

These are some good ideas.  To tell the truth, the focus of our
software has not been on the VOR/NAV because as far as functionality
goes, the moving map overshadows them in most scenarios.  I can see
why for some occasions it would be nice to have though.  I have sent
your ideas to our developers and we will see what we can do about it.
  I wouldn't expect immediate results, because we are working on a
really cool new feature right now, but as soon as we are done with it
we will consider these ideas.

Casey
-Apic Support

--- In APIC_Group@yahoogroups.com, "by1429" <Bill@...> wrote:
>
> I purchased APIC about two weeks ago, just prior to a trip through
> Mexico, and found it incredibly useful for that trip.  Having spent
> a few hours familiarizing myself with the application, then spending
> 26 hours in the plane during a 3300 mile round trip, I feel pretty
> comfortable with the software.
>
> There are a few things I'd like to see.  I should have taken better
> notes, but these are the things that come to mind right now:
>
> 1)  Configuration option for the track recording.  I've written my
> own mapping applications, and would prefer to have raw data at 1
> second intervals for the duration of the trip.  That may sound like
> a lot, but 3600 samples per second times 16 bytes for two double
> precision numbers, and another 8 bytes for a double for time results
> in about 80k/hour recording.  Even 20 hours of track doesn't make a
> dent in a 128 meg SD card.  This doesn't work as well if it's all
> XML data, but even then it should be easy to stay well under 100
> bytes/sample with lat/long, altitude, time.  That's 360k/hour, which
> is 1 meg for 3 hours.  As long as it goes on CF or SD it shouldn't
> be a problem.  Heck, for that matter, you could just dump the NMEA
> sentences to CF or SD and let anyone do whatever they want with it.
> I have some things I'd love to do with that data.
>
> 2)  I want to be able to switch the VOR/HSI page between GPS and a
> VOR.  It appears this is in the works, or was intended to work, but
> I couldn't figure out how to do it, and didn't see it in the docs.
> If it's NOT in the works, it should be.  There are many times that I
> wanted to be on a specific flight plan, but wanted to use the
> VOR/HSI to cross check for reporting purposes.
>
> 3)  While we're on VORs, I want a list of the 10-15 closest VORs
> just like the nearest airports, and I want that to be the first page
> I get when clicking the "NAV" option on the VOR/HSI screen.  99
> times out of 100, the VOR I want to be using is going to be in that
> list, and being able to pick from that list rather than type in the
> 3 letter ident each time would be a great time saver.  Have a button
> at the bottom of that page to go to the nav selection page that
> currently exists, for those rare cases that the VOR you want isn't
> in the 10 or 15 closest, or however many can fit on that page.
> Double columns for that list wouldn't hurt, since all you need is
> the ID and perhaps distance so maybe 20-30 VORs...
>
> 4)  I still want the icon at the bottom of the screen that goes to
> the flight planning page to go to that page when I'm on an active
> flight plan.  When I needed to change my flight plan in flight, I
> had to go to the menu, then flight planner.  I don't understand why
> the flight plan icon would not work while on an active flight plan.
>
> 5)  Back to VORs.  I'd like more than one VOR/HSI screen.  There
> were many times in Mexico, that different controlling agencies would
> want my radial and distance from different VORs along my route.
> Having one setup for my outbound track, another for my inbound
> track, and even a third for x-check would be useful.  Making them
> separate screens would be fine, or having a list on the VOR/HSI
> screen would work as well.  So the options inside the VOR/HSI
> instrument could be GPS/XXX/YYY/ZZZ.  GPS would be for the GPS
> waypoint in the flightplan, and XXX, YYY, ZZZ represent three other
> VORs each with their own OBS settings, and I can just click on any
> of the four.  It would be like having a GPS and 3 VOR receivers in
> my plane.  THAT would be very handy for some flights, and it takes
> care of my point #2 above in an even better way.  Yes, this would be
> my preferred way to handle this.
>
> 6)  Finally, a quick way to essentially resume a flight plan from
> present position.  When flying VFR as opposed to IFR, if I get off
> track, I often don't care if I ever get back on track or not.  So if
> I've planned a flight from AAA to BBB then CCC, takeoff from AAA and
> get 5 miles x-track error from the AAA-BBB route, I want to have a
> quick way to resume from current position so my new flight plan is
> (current position)-BBB-CCC and the CDI is now centered for this
> leg.  Practically useless for IFR flying, but very nice for VFR
> jaunts.  Case in point, a 10 mile diversion around a thunderstorm
> VFR, and all I want to do is fly direct to my next waypoint, which
> is probably my final destiation anyway.  I don't care that I'm 10
> miles to one side of my planned track, so let me just pick the
> flight plan back up from right where I am.
>
> Those are my ideas for how to improve an already great system.  I
> really enjoyed using the software on my flight.  3300 miles is a
> long trip in a Grumman Traveller with single NAV/COMM and about 4
> hours of that trip was hard, hand-flown IFR.  The APIC software made
> it easy to verify my situational awareness and focus on my flying.
>
> From one software engineer to another:   Good job!
>

I purchased APIC about two weeks ago, just prior to a trip through
Mexico, and found it incredibly useful for that trip.  Having spent
a few hours familiarizing myself with the application, then spending
26 hours in the plane during a 3300 mile round trip, I feel pretty
comfortable with the software.

There are a few things I'd like to see.  I should have taken better
notes, but these are the things that come to mind right now:

1)  Configuration option for the track recording.  I've written my
own mapping applications, and would prefer to have raw data at 1
second intervals for the duration of the trip.  That may sound like
a lot, but 3600 samples per second times 16 bytes for two double
precision numbers, and another 8 bytes for a double for time results
in about 80k/hour recording.  Even 20 hours of track doesn't make a
dent in a 128 meg SD card.  This doesn't work as well if it's all
XML data, but even then it should be easy to stay well under 100
bytes/sample with lat/long, altitude, time.  That's 360k/hour, which
is 1 meg for 3 hours.  As long as it goes on CF or SD it shouldn't
be a problem.  Heck, for that matter, you could just dump the NMEA
sentences to CF or SD and let anyone do whatever they want with it.
I have some things I'd love to do with that data.

2)  I want to be able to switch the VOR/HSI page between GPS and a
VOR.  It appears this is in the works, or was intended to work, but
I couldn't figure out how to do it, and didn't see it in the docs.
If it's NOT in the works, it should be.  There are many times that I
wanted to be on a specific flight plan, but wanted to use the
VOR/HSI to cross check for reporting purposes.

3)  While we're on VORs, I want a list of the 10-15 closest VORs
just like the nearest airports, and I want that to be the first page
I get when clicking the "NAV" option on the VOR/HSI screen.  99
times out of 100, the VOR I want to be using is going to be in that
list, and being able to pick from that list rather than type in the
3 letter ident each time would be a great time saver.  Have a button
at the bottom of that page to go to the nav selection page that
currently exists, for those rare cases that the VOR you want isn't
in the 10 or 15 closest, or however many can fit on that page.
Double columns for that list wouldn't hurt, since all you need is
the ID and perhaps distance so maybe 20-30 VORs...

4)  I still want the icon at the bottom of the screen that goes to
the flight planning page to go to that page when I'm on an active
flight plan.  When I needed to change my flight plan in flight, I
had to go to the menu, then flight planner.  I don't understand why
the flight plan icon would not work while on an active flight plan.

5)  Back to VORs.  I'd like more than one VOR/HSI screen.  There
were many times in Mexico, that different controlling agencies would
want my radial and distance from different VORs along my route.
Having one setup for my outbound track, another for my inbound
track, and even a third for x-check would be useful.  Making them
separate screens would be fine, or having a list on the VOR/HSI
screen would work as well.  So the options inside the VOR/HSI
instrument could be GPS/XXX/YYY/ZZZ.  GPS would be for the GPS
waypoint in the flightplan, and XXX, YYY, ZZZ represent three other
VORs each with their own OBS settings, and I can just click on any
of the four.  It would be like having a GPS and 3 VOR receivers in
my plane.  THAT would be very handy for some flights, and it takes
care of my point #2 above in an even better way.  Yes, this would be
my preferred way to handle this.

6)  Finally, a quick way to essentially resume a flight plan from
present position.  When flying VFR as opposed to IFR, if I get off
track, I often don't care if I ever get back on track or not.  So if
I've planned a flight from AAA to BBB then CCC, takeoff from AAA and
get 5 miles x-track error from the AAA-BBB route, I want to have a
quick way to resume from current position so my new flight plan is
(current position)-BBB-CCC and the CDI is now centered for this
leg.  Practically useless for IFR flying, but very nice for VFR
jaunts.  Case in point, a 10 mile diversion around a thunderstorm
VFR, and all I want to do is fly direct to my next waypoint, which
is probably my final destiation anyway.  I don't care that I'm 10
miles to one side of my planned track, so let me just pick the
flight plan back up from right where I am.

Those are my ideas for how to improve an already great system.  I
really enjoyed using the software on my flight.  3300 miles is a
long trip in a Grumman Traveller with single NAV/COMM and about 4
hours of that trip was hard, hand-flown IFR.  The APIC software made
it easy to verify my situational awareness and focus on my flying.

From one software engineer to another:   Good job!

Glag to have you Frank.  Any questions you have, you are welcome to
ask, and I will do my best to answer them.

--- In APIC_Group@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Giere" <mgiere@...> wrote:
>
> How do you get the route data from APIC to Google Earth?
>


In the Data folder, there will be a file named Route.kml right click
this file and select the open with option.  Open it with Google Earth.

How do you get the route data from APIC to Google Earth?

--- In APIC_Group@yahoogroups.com, "cjmaslow" <cjmaslow@...> wrote:
>
> Please Post any questions or helpful advice for Installing or
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>My August update shows airport data, etc., with a March 16 date.  The
APIC version and date are August 1, 2006.  Any suggestions?

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