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Still can't connect my LX200GPS to my new WIN 7x64 computer   Message List  
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[ASCOM] Re: Still can't connect my LX200GPS to my new WIN 7x64 computer

It's easy for a desktop PC, a PCI serial port. It's laptops where there's no
alternative that people are stuck with USB.

Chris

--- In ASCOM-Talk@yahoogroups.com, Frank Mraz <FJMRAZ@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> My "built-for-me" computer has 8 USB ports. What do you recommend that I do to
comply with your suggestion of serial ports ?
>
> Frank M.
>
>
>
> To: ASCOM-Talk@yahoogroups.com
> From: Tim@...
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:57:51 +0000
> Subject: RE: [ASCOM] Re: Still can't connect my LX200GPS to my new WIN 7x64
computer
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I've grown to really hate USB, it's just not reliable enough for
> controlling robotic instruments. Where possible, I urge the installation
> of 'real' serial port cards. They can be purchased cheaply on eBay (even
> a cheap one is better than USB in my experience, but for a really good
> one look at brainboxes.com). On several computers I've used, I've
> witnessed the USB bus periodically resetting itself (maybe some attached
> peripheral did something the root hub didn't like, who knows). When this
> happens, I've noticed that serial ports can completely disappear for a
> short time and then reappear when the bus is happy again; serial devices
> do not like this happening. This can be enough to upset a connected
> program and cause data loss, timeouts or even complete disconnects. In
> my drivers' I've started adding a 'session layer' that monitors the
> serial port health and, if necessary, destroys the instance and
> re-creates a new one from scratch. Shouldn't have to do it, but such is
> life with USB.
>
> --Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ASCOM-Talk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASCOM-Talk@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of lynol1000
> Sent: 13 February 2012 11:15
> To: ASCOM-Talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ASCOM] Re: Still can't connect my LX200GPS to my new WIN 7x64
> computer
>
> Sorry for jumping in here but I am chasing something that manifests
> itself on W7/64bit on Intel platforms and ASCOM 6.
>
> My driver connects, runs for some period of time polling for 3 data
> values every second (two temperature readings and position of a focuser
> hardware that can change either from the driver or buttons on the
> device) and then all of a sudden a 'Timed out waiting' error from the
> platform. This can run for 5 minutes or 4 hours.
>
> This is real simple stuff, send 3 bytes, get 4 back, send 3 bytes, get 4
> back then send 3 bytes and expect 7 back. It is the 7 bytes back that
> faults out on a 'receive counted'. The target hardware is based on a PIC
> chip running 48mips running Microchip reference USB stack. Dropping into
> terraterm after the fault shows the device is connected and talking
> happily, no errors in event log. Power management turned off everyplace
> for USB.
>
> My device itself uses windows usbser.sys driver so there is no vendor
> code driver involved.
>
> This happens on Intel based machines, AMD based machines have not
> exhibited it.
>
> All works fine on XP.
>
> Gene
>
> I'll jump in here
> --- In ASCOM-Talk@yahoogroups.com, "autostaretx" <rseymour@> wrote:
> >
> > I'll second Gary's recommendation.
> > IF you look at my "it worked for me" posting:
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ASCOM-Talk/message/26082
> >
> > you'll see the Keyspan USA-19HS adapter in my equipment list.
> >
> > good luck
> > --dick
> >
> > --- In ASCOM-Talk@yahoogroups.com, "rstarscope" <rstarscope@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Chris,
> > > "In for a penny, in for a pound." Please can you recommend a
> Keyspan Model # ? Thank you.
> > >
> > > --- In ASCOM-Talk@yahoogroups.com, Chris Peterson <cpeterson@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In the case of USB-serial devices, the problem is often a mixture
> > > > of hardware and software. These devices frequently fail to meet
> > > > the specifications of either the USB interface, or of the serial
> standards.
> > > > Replacing the hardware could have changed out one bad design for
> > > > another, or could even result in no change in hardware at all,
> > > > given that there are only a few chipsets used by all the adapter
> makers.
> > > >
> > > > Only a few manufacturers (such as Keyspan) seem to actually follow
>
> > > > the standards closely, and people using those adapters generally
> > > > seem to avoid any issues when using ASCOM drivers.
> > > >
> > > > Enough people are using the Meade driver with Win 7 and USB serial
>
> > > > ports to suggest that if the problem is in the telescope driver
> > > > code, it's something very subtle. The USB driver code for the
> > > > adapter is a much more likely source of the problem.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > *******************************
> > > > Chris L Peterson
> > > > Cloudbait Observatory
> > > > http://www.cloudbait.com
> > > >
> > > > On 2/7/2012 11:59 AM, rstarscope wrote:
> > > > > I just got a New and different USB to SERIAL Converter.
> Installed it, and registered to Com Port 3. Ran DevManView to make sure
> it was connected to Com port 3, and it was.
> > > > > Ran ASCOM Choose-Meade LX200GPS/R Driver-Properties Com
> Port 3-Ok. Tried to connect, and then "Timed out Waiting to received
> Data." Also, of course PhD guiding Failed to connect, "Problem with
> ASCOM Driver."
> > > > > Ran AutoStarSuite 5.5 and MyScope separately and both
> connected, and was able to move scope.
> > > > > Doesn't this say it's not hardware, but it is software?
> What the FIX???
> > > > > Rob
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:26 pm

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Hi Tim, My "built-for-me" computer has 8 USB ports. What do you recommend that I do to comply with your suggestion of serial ports ? Frank M. To:...
Frank Mraz
starman_florida Offline Send Email
Feb 14, 2012
3:22 am

It's easy for a desktop PC, a PCI serial port. It's laptops where there's no alternative that people are stuck with USB. Chris...
Chris
scope_sapiens Offline Send Email
Feb 14, 2012
2:26 pm

Hi Chris, Dick and Gary, I uploaded Procmon Program result, that Dick was asking me for. They are Procmon by Path, Extension and Folder. Procmon was run when...
rstarscope Offline Send Email Feb 15, 2012
8:38 am

Gday Rob The more important log is the trace of traffic between the PC and the scope, so we can see where it is timing out. As Dick noted, you can use the...
johansea Offline Send Email Feb 15, 2012
10:33 pm

Gday Tim/Peter/Chris/Bob??? Just got a post on the LX200GPS site re this problem from a new user. He grabbed a portmon log and ( he needs to recheck ), but it...
johansea Offline Send Email Feb 24, 2012
2:54 am

Gday All I have just put a file "ASCOM.png" into the files directory. This shows the error message the user is getting when trying to connect his LX200GPS. He...
johansea Offline Send Email Feb 25, 2012
2:17 am

There are PCMCIA cards available that work with laptops. --Tim ... From: ASCOM-Talk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ASCOM-Talk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris ...
Tim Long
t_p_long Offline Send Email
Feb 16, 2012
12:59 am

The same advice as in my previous email. Buy 'real' serial port cards (i.e. with UART chips on them and that connect to the PCI, PCI-X or PCMCIA bus). You can...
Tim Long
t_p_long Offline Send Email
Feb 16, 2012
12:57 am

Tim, My issue does not have the symptoms of USB glitch related. I found all I need to do to help the situation drastically is put a slight delay between the...
lynol1000 Offline Send Email Feb 14, 2012
11:32 am

Can you can start a separate thread for this please. It's confusing to tell which problem people are referring to. You can bypass the ASCOM serial driver...
Chris
scope_sapiens Offline Send Email
Feb 14, 2012
2:24 pm

Rob, Assuming that you do not have an equipment or cable failure, my guess is that you must have a driver problem. Here's why: My observatory laptop is the...
phillipcoker Offline Send Email Feb 13, 2012
2:31 pm

http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3080691/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1...
Gary Jarrette
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Feb 13, 2012
7:33 pm

Philip, Thanks for your effort. I have already tried that Meade/Keyspan 64 bit driver download process (Meade uninstaller first, then install driver PL-2303...
rstarscope Offline Send Email Feb 15, 2012
8:38 am
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