I'm also a customer, and not a computer programmer, I'm dependent upon the expertise of strangers. I think TheSky is a great piece of software. And being on...
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Maarten Vanleenhove
mvanleenhove
Jun 3, 2006 8:13 am
Well said ! Maarten...
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jat_observatory
Jun 3, 2006 11:54 am
... Hmmm let's see...CCDSoft came free with my camera, MaximDL and AstroArt didn't. -Marcus http://jatobservatory.org...
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David B. Toth
ve3gyq
Jun 3, 2006 12:17 pm
... Why make comments like this? You make it sound like Software Bisque is some huge conglomerate ... I think Doug at Cyanogen can confirm that he has a lot...
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Chris Peterson
cloudbait
Jun 3, 2006 1:10 pm
You don't really think it was free, do you? Chris ***************************************** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com ......
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jat_observatory
Jun 3, 2006 2:12 pm
Chris, As far as I am concerned it was free. It was included with the purchase price of the camera. There was no copy of MaximDL or AstroArt in there. I may...
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Ray Gralak
raygralak
Jun 3, 2006 2:55 pm
Hi Marcus, ... Maxim ... I don't see how that makes any difference in regards to my point. SBIG bundled CCDSoft with their cameras almost certainly with some ...
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jat_observatory
Jun 3, 2006 3:08 pm
... (2) I ... asked, and even more rarely lose sales (at least that I know of!) for lack of it. ... Bob, First don't take what follows as a personal attack. I...
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Chris Peterson
cloudbait
Jun 3, 2006 3:12 pm
Just to be clear that it only appears free because you are essentially forced to buy it with your camera. There is certainly a disincentive there to buy...
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MailYahoo
mkeitel2000
Jun 3, 2006 3:19 pm
I just have to comment on this statement Do you really think that it was "free" or that you were obligated to purchase the software in the bundle price of the...
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jat_observatory
Jun 3, 2006 3:29 pm
Chris, Just to be clear. I wasn't forced to buy the camera. The software was bundled with the purchase price and it was my choice to buy the camera. I would...
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jat_observatory
Jun 3, 2006 3:35 pm
And how is that different than any other camera that comes with bundled software? At least it is not some "Lite" or "Limited Edition" version of some camera...
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Chris Appleton
bingsca
Jun 3, 2006 3:47 pm
... Marcus If you take a careful look you will see that Bisque and SBig are very near each other in California. I am sure that there is a very strong bond and...
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Ray Gralak
raygralak
Jun 3, 2006 3:49 pm
Hi Marcus, ... Edition" ... There is no difference as long as you realize that you effectively pay for another CCDSoft license for *every* SBIG camera you buy....
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jat_observatory
Jun 3, 2006 4:30 pm
... of ... the ... Ray, Again my point was it was in the box when I got the software. I guess what I find interesting is all the companies here telling other...
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jat_observatory
Jun 3, 2006 4:48 pm
... pay ... you ... least ... said ... How do you know the Software Bisque doesn't include the license with the Paramount for free? :) In any case my Paramount...
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Ray Gralak
raygralak
Jun 3, 2006 5:02 pm
Hi Marcus, ... Well, I was simply responding to Steve Bisque who wrote this: ... Now here's the cool point!! If Software Bisque adopted the ASCOM *Camera*...
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Douglas B. George
maximccd
Jun 3, 2006 5:03 pm
Is this argument serving any purpose whatsoever? Doug ... Doug George dgeorge@... Diffraction Limited Makers of Cyanogen Imaging Products ...
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Ray Gralak
raygralak
Jun 3, 2006 5:07 pm
Hi Marcus, ... Because Software Bisque repeatedly pounds the message out that they do things for BUSINESS reasons. They are in this to make a profit, and why...
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jat_observatory
Jun 3, 2006 5:18 pm
Chris, I have no doubt that SB and SBIG have a very close relationship. They even set their tables next to each other at NEAF this year where I had the...
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jat_observatory
Jun 3, 2006 5:28 pm
I have no doubt that they do things for business reasons. That included supplying support and parts (some at no charge) to repair rodent damage for that used...
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Chris Peterson
cloudbait
Jun 3, 2006 5:31 pm
Last time I checked, Software Bisque was in Golden, Colorado, kind of in between SBIG and Cyanogen <g>. Chris ***************************************** Chris L...
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Chris Appleton
bingsca
Jun 3, 2006 5:38 pm
... wrote: Hi Markus That was a first class response from you and I appreciate it. I am glad that you are happy with your equipment/software and it works for...
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Chris Appleton
bingsca
Jun 3, 2006 5:50 pm
... Hi Chris Okay, I stand corrected, but my point still stands, however it really doesn'y matter. I just wish that all of these great software companies would...
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David B. Toth
ve3gyq
Jun 3, 2006 8:11 pm
... Chris, if you look at the Splash that comes up with CCDSoft, you'll notice that it says SBIG/Software Bisque. That is because SBIG paid for the development...
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David B. Toth
ve3gyq
Jun 3, 2006 8:11 pm
... Actually, because they paid for the development of CCDSoft ver.5 ... CCDSoft supports SBIG, Apogee, FLI, Trifid, and Starlight Express, albeit not the...
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David B. Toth
ve3gyq
Jun 3, 2006 8:11 pm
... As Doug has pointed out, does any of this serve a useful purpose? Yes, people can strive to develop useful standards (that is PROBABLY what this is about)...
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Phillip Coker
phillipcoker
Jun 4, 2006 2:15 am
All of this has been a huge education for me, a mere consumer. Starting around May of last year I began buying the software I thought would be good for a...
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Michael Schwartz
mbs@...
Jun 4, 2006 3:30 am
Phillip, Sorry that you had to learn the hard way, but before making any major telescope or camera purchase you have to ask the question: Do I have software...
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David B. Toth
ve3gyq
Jun 4, 2006 3:41 am
... Phillip: I'd contact Doug at Cyanogen ... if you bought the drivers for DSLR, it was not their intention for an update to somehow kill the drivers. I'm...
