hi everybody
I just joined this group & I need some clues for designing a pcb
tester with a microcontroller (AVR or PIC)
if you can help me I'd be thankful
thanks in advance
Aila

On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 02:21:12AM -0000, bangwater4 wrote:
> Hi Listers,
>    I am a new member to the Butterfly List.  I have the book with CD.
> I have ordered the C Programming rreference book because I want to
> learn the basics of C and create some of my own project ideas.  I have
> the developmental platform to build the projects in the book---
> BUT:
>    I have a G4 Macintosh running OS 10.4.
>    I need a simple test editor which the Butterfly book has but I do
> not know how to load this file from the CD.  It has an suffix (.exe)
> which my Mac does not recognize.  Is there any application I can
> download to read this file?

VirtualPC and a copy of Windows, if you absolutely must execute *that*
"editor" file.

It might be a self-expanding archive. UnStuffit can open many of those.

As for an editor, register with Apple and download XCode. Or install the
version that came on your MacOS X 10.4 discs (but is not installed by
default). Lots of other good stuff there such as compilers. The stuff
you would need to build avr-gcc.

Also recommend TextWrangler from http://bbedit.com/. Its a free stripped
down version of BBEdit. Even stripped its one of the most powerful and
useful text editors at any price.

--
David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@...
========================================================================
Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.

Hi Rolf -

You can go here:

	 http://www.digithink.com/OSX-AVR/Introduction/Main?from=Main.Main

This is the OSX-AVR project. It has an installer for the complete tool
setup you need. The gcc compiler and everything else. You can edit the
files with just about any Mac text editor.

     ---Bill Tuttle <> KI4SKM

On Jan 25, 2007, at 9:21 PM, bangwater4 wrote:

> Hi Listers,
>  I am a new member to the Butterfly List. I have the book with CD. I
> have ordered the C
>  Programming rreference book because I want to learn the basics of C
> and create some of my
>  own project ideas. I have the developmental platform to build the
> projects in the book---
>  BUT:
>  I have a G4 Macintosh running OS 10.4.
>  I need a simple test editor which the Butterfly book has but I do not
> know how to load this
>  file from the CD. It has an suffix (.exe) which my Mac does not
> recognize. Is there any
>  application I can download to read this file?
>
>  Thanks in advance,
>  Rolf in Loveland, CO
>
>
>

Hi Listers,
    I am a new member to the Butterfly List.  I have the book with CD.  I have
ordered the C
Programming rreference book because I want to learn the basics of C and create
some of my
own project ideas.  I have the developmental platform to build the projects in
the book---
BUT:
    I have a G4 Macintosh running OS 10.4.
    I need a simple test editor which the Butterfly book has but I do not know
how to load this
file from the CD.  It has an suffix (.exe) which my Mac does not recognize.  Is
there any
application I can download to read this file?

Thanks in advance,
Rolf in Loveland, CO

On Jan 23, 2007, at 6:51 AM, jme_cd wrote:

> is there anyway to be able to download all of the data on the
> dataflash chip straight to the screen of my computer via the serial
> link or ideally to a text file?

Yes, you write a program that when run one way writes data to the
dataflash, then when asked reads data back and writes it out the
serial port in a format that another program on your computer accepts.

> by using the butterfly as a temperature datalogger, how could i
> download all the temps so that that they are readable in a simple text
> editor like notepad?

You write a program to do it. You probably want to record the time
and date of each sample in the dataflash. Keep track of where you are
writing so the next write is appended after the previous. Then when
asked your program starts at the beginning and reads the data. Maybe
you want to write data until the dataflash is full and loop back to
the beginning, or maybe you only want to collect a certain number of
samples then stop. Probably need a means of resetting the data to
erase the prior history. Maybe you want to be able to adjust the time
between samples. There are a lot of things you can do...

There are many terminal programs for computers that can copy (log)
everything they send to the screen to a file for later perusal. So
you don't have to write that part.

--
David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@...
========================================================================
Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.

is there anyway to be able to download all of the data on the
dataflash chip straight to the screen of my computer via the serial
link or ideally to a text file?

by using the butterfly as a temperature datalogger, how could i
download all the temps so that that they are readable in a simple text
editor like notepad?

thanks
jamie

I have it on order through Amazon.ca so perhaps I'll
cancel that now and just order directly through his
website.

Thanks,

Lee


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Have you contacted him??  I got the book in 3 days a
month ago.  they give very good service.
--- Lee Noah <lnoah_ca@...> wrote:

> Hello All,
>    Does anyone know what the delay is on the above
> mentioned book by
> Joe Pardue? I've had it on order since August!
>
> Lee
>
>
>


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Hello All,
    Does anyone know what the delay is on the above mentioned book by
Joe Pardue? I've had it on order since August!

Lee

--- In AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com, "e00rica" <e00rica@...> wrote:
>
> In the application document from ATMEL(page 13), can you see how i
> have connected the butterfly to the phone.
>
http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc8016.pdf#search=%
22avr323%22
>

Nice app.-note!

So you are using a level shifter: the somewhat flaky one of the
Butterfly. it derives the negative voltage from the received signal.
And even then the acheived voltage levels will be marginal for RS232,
especially if the connected phone has a similar circuit and works on
low voltage too (almost sure).

I would expect problems here, but can't tell you how to resolve them
without knowing the internals of your phone. Maybe the easiest way
wound be if you could replace the 2 transistor and some resistor
level converter of the Butterfly with some "real thing" like a XX3232
(the 3V variant of the famous XX232; "XX" being manufacturer specific
(ICL, MAX, etc.))

Good luck,
Stefan

--- In AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Wimmer" <wswbln@...> wrote:
>
> --- In AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com, "e00rica" <e00rica@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> > I have tried to connect a AVR Butterfly to a cell phone Sony Ericsson
> > T68i,...
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> maybe you could be a littel bit more specific about how you connented
> them (maybe in contrary to the working connection to the PC)?
>
> You are aware of the fact that the common level shifters are inverters?
> So if you used some XX232 to connect to the PC and omitted them (due to
> same voltage levels on the phone and the AVR side) in your AVR/phone
> connection, this can't work...
>
> HTH,
> Stefan
>
In the application document from ATMEL(page 13), can you see how i
have connected the butterfly to the phone.
http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc8016.pdf#search=%22avr323%2\
2

--- In AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com, "e00rica" <e00rica@...> wrote:
>
> Hi!
> I have tried to connect a AVR Butterfly to a cell phone Sony Ericsson
> T68i,...

Hi Richard,

maybe you could be a littel bit more specific about how you connented
them (maybe in contrary to the working connection to the PC)?

You are aware of the fact that the common level shifters are inverters?
So if you used some XX232 to connect to the PC and omitted them (due to
same voltage levels on the phone and the AVR side) in your AVR/phone
connection, this can't work...

HTH,
Stefan

Hi!
I have tried to connect a AVR Butterfly to a cell phone Sony Ericsson
T68i, "Applicaton notes AVR323". I don´t get any respons from the
phone when I send the AT-command from the Butterfly. The serial
connection is OK. I have run PC_Comm application and there is any
problem at all. Is anybody there who have work whit this application
(AVR323)?. If this is the case, Please help me!.
Thank you,
Richard.

Looks like SmileyMicros still isn't selling them by themselves, only
as part of bundles.

"September 26 - We have some Butterflies, but due to limited stock we
can only sell them as part of the Book, Butterfly, and Project kit."



--- In AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com, "Paul J. Lingane" <paul@...> wrote:
>
> Try www.smileymicros.com
>
> On 9/29/06, bug.runner <bug.runner@...> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know anything at all about the availability of
Butterflies?
> >
> > I have not checked yet today, but last few times I checked there were
> > none available.
> >
> > Anyone know what is holding-up production?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Paul J. Lingane
> Consulting Engineer
> 650-299-9390
> fax  299-9391
>

Does anyone know anything at all about the availability of Butterflies?

I have not checked yet today, but last few times I checked there were
none available.

Anyone know what is holding-up production?

The Butterfly Site at http://retrodan.tripod.com has program
examples of how to display characters on LCD Screen and to use Piezo
Speaker to make a "beep" sound.

If you don't own a Butterfly already perhaps you don't know that the
software that the Butterfly ios shipped with will display both time
and temperature out-of-the-box.

--- In AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com, "nachbaschoka" <DaMaD@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com, "look_behind_the_mirror"
> <gaatif@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all!
> > I m new to embedded system programming, I want to make an
elctronic
> > display using an LCD with an AVR microcontroller.
> > I simply want to display text on the LCD as well as the time and
> > temperature.
> > Some beep also at some desired time.
> > Any good suggestion... wellcome.
> >
> > Aatif Chaudhry
> >
>
> Hi,
> What kind of LCD do you want to use?
> The Display at the Butterfly?
> Many projects on the net are using Displays basend on the HD44780
(or
> compatible) controller.
>
> In which language do you want do program it?
>
> Matthias K.
>

You should have no problem at all with a "programmer."

I believe the "power issue" only effects programming the Butterfly
directly with the simple 3-wire rs232 connection from a PC without
the use of any programmer.

--- In AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com, Andrei Pop <andrei16ro@...>
wrote:
>
> I want to ask you if a programmer with power supply work with usb-
rs232 convertor. I found a programmer with power supply special for
laptops.
>
> retr0dan <retr0dan@...> wrote:
Exactly!
>
>  A powered USB-to-RS232 converter solves the problem as far as I
>  know.
>
>  I should have mentioned that many of the "cheaper" converters,
those
>  without their own power syupply seem to cause the problems.
>
>  Thanks for pointing that out.
>
>  --- In AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com, "Al" <aboehnlein@> wrote:
>  >
>  > The solution is to plug your converter into a powered USB hub.
>  > al
>  >
>  >
>  > AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>  >
>  >     AVR ButterFly & Beginners Group
>  >     Messages In This Digest (1 Message)
>  >
>  >     1.
>  >         Re: USB to RS232 convertor From: retr0dan
>  >
>  >     View All Topics | Create New Topic
>  >     Message
>  >
>  >     1.
>  >         Re: USB to RS232 convertor
>  >         Posted by: "retr0dan" retr0dan@   retr0dan
>  >         Sat Sep 9, 2006 7:23 pm (PST)
>  >         The problem seems to be that some of the cheaper UBS-to-
>  RS232
>  >         (Serial) converters do not supply enough power when
>  emulating
>  > RS232.
>  >
>  >         --- In AVRButterFly@ yahoogroups. com, Andrei Pop
>  <andrei16ro@
>  > ...>
>  >         wrote:
>  >         >
>  >         >
>  >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Andrei Pop
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and
30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
>

Exactly!

A powered USB-to-RS232 converter solves the problem as far as I
know.

I should have mentioned that many of the "cheaper" converters, those
without their own power syupply seem to cause the problems.

Thanks for pointing that out.

--- In AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com, "Al" <aboehnlein@...> wrote:
>
> The solution is to plug your converter into a powered USB hub.
> al
>
>
> AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> AVR ButterFly & Beginners Group
> Messages In This Digest (1 Message)
>
> 1.
> Re: USB to RS232 convertor From: retr0dan
>
> View All Topics | Create New Topic
> Message
>
> 1.
> Re: USB to RS232 convertor
> Posted by: "retr0dan" retr0dan@... retr0dan
> Sat Sep 9, 2006 7:23 pm (PST)
> The problem seems to be that some of the cheaper UBS-to-
RS232
> (Serial) converters do not supply enough power when
emulating
> RS232.
>
> --- In AVRButterFly@ yahoogroups. com, Andrei Pop
<andrei16ro@
> ...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
>

Exactly!

A powered USB-to-RS232 converter solves the problem as far as I
know.

I should have mentioned that many of the "cheaper" converters, those
without their own power syupply seem to cause the problems.

Thanks for pointing that out.

--- In AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com, "Al" <aboehnlein@...> wrote:
>
> The solution is to plug your converter into a powered USB hub.
> al
>
>
> AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>     AVR ButterFly & Beginners Group
>     Messages In This Digest (1 Message)
>
>     1.
>         Re: USB to RS232 convertor From: retr0dan
>
>     View All Topics | Create New Topic
>     Message
>
>     1.
>         Re: USB to RS232 convertor
>         Posted by: "retr0dan" retr0dan@...   retr0dan
>         Sat Sep 9, 2006 7:23 pm (PST)
>         The problem seems to be that some of the cheaper UBS-to-
RS232
>         (Serial) converters do not supply enough power when
emulating
> RS232.
>
>         --- In AVRButterFly@ yahoogroups. com, Andrei Pop
<andrei16ro@
> ...>
>         wrote:
>         >
>         >
>

The solution is to plug your converter into a powered USB hub.
al


AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com wrote:

     AVR ButterFly & Beginners Group
     Messages In This Digest (1 Message)

     1.
         Re: USB to RS232 convertor From: retr0dan

     View All Topics | Create New Topic
     Message

     1.
         Re: USB to RS232 convertor
         Posted by: "retr0dan" retr0dan@...   retr0dan
         Sat Sep 9, 2006 7:23 pm (PST)
         The problem seems to be that some of the cheaper UBS-to-RS232
         (Serial) converters do not supply enough power when emulating
RS232.

         --- In AVRButterFly@ yahoogroups. com, Andrei Pop <andrei16ro@
...>
         wrote:
         >
         >

The problem seems to be that some of the cheaper UBS-to-RS232
(Serial) converters do not supply enough power when emulating RS232.

--- In AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com, Andrei Pop <andrei16ro@...>
wrote:
>
> I have an usb-2-rs232 and don't work the programing. I recomand an
PCMCIA Rs-232.
>
> nachbaschoka <DaMaD@...> wrote:                                  ---
  In AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com, "Andrei" <andrei16ro@> wrote:
>  >
>  > Hellow!!!
>  >
>  > I have a question. I don't have serial port on my laptop. I can
use a
>  > usb-rs232 convertor to program an avr butterfly??? Or I can use
just a
>  > pcmcia to rs232 convertor.
>  >
>  > Thank's
>  > Andrei
>  >
>
>  Hi,
>  I have no own experience, but i have heard, that many converters
won't
>  work properly.
>
>  Matthias K.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Andrei Pop
>
> ---------------------------------
> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com.  Check it out.
>

--- In AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com, "Andrei" <andrei16ro@...> wrote:
>
> Hellow!!!
>
> I have a question. I don't have serial port on my laptop. I can use a
> usb-rs232 convertor to program an avr butterfly??? Or I can use just a
> pcmcia to rs232 convertor.
>
> Thank's
> Andrei
>

Hi,
I have no own experience, but i have heard, that many converters won't
work properly.

Matthias K.

--- In AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com, "Andrei" <andrei16ro@...> wrote:
>
> Hellow!!!
>
> I have a question. I don't have serial port on my laptop. I can use a
> usb-rs232 convertor to program an avr butterfly??? Or I can use just a
> pcmcia to rs232 convertor.
>
> Thank's
> Andrei
>

Hi,
I have no own experience, but i have heard, that many converters won't
work properly.

Matthias K.

--- In AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com, "look_behind_the_mirror"
<gaatif@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all!
> I m new to embedded system programming, I want to make an elctronic
> display using an LCD with an AVR microcontroller.
> I simply want to display text on the LCD as well as the time and
> temperature.
> Some beep also at some desired time.
> Any good suggestion... wellcome.
>
> Aatif Chaudhry
>

Hi,
What kind of LCD do you want to use?
The Display at the Butterfly?
Many projects on the net are using Displays basend on the HD44780 (or
compatible) controller.

In which language do you want do program it?

Matthias K.

If you live in Jakarta or can deal with there, you can try the Farnell
distributor but so far I have not been able to locate any myself as
everywhere is out of stock, even Farnell UK, Singapore etc. I have one
here myself but want a couple more for a small project.

PT Graha Sumber Prima Elektronika
Intercon Plaza Block D11
Meruya Ilir,
Jakarta Barat 11620
Indonesia
Telpon : (62)21-5869085, (62)21-4868519-22
Fax : (62)-21-5491092, (62)21-5853317


Hope this helps?

Dave...
---
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Narma Wahyuadi wrote:
>
>
> I'm in Indonesia, could you help me how i can have this AVR Butterfly
> because in the smileymicros.com temporary stop it.

I'm in Indonesia, could you help me how i can have this AVR Butterfly
because in the smileymicros.com temporary stop it.

One thing I noticed. You are using the C++-ism of defining the loop
counter in the for loop... for (int i=....)

But if I recall, that just defines it in the outer scope. So you are
defining two int i's inside blink. I would have thought that gave a
compiler error, but if not, maybe it is confusing something.

Try using j for the 2nd loop counter or removing the int in the 2nd
loop [ for (i=128....)

Just a guess.




--- In AVRButterFly@yahoogroups.com, "bear_phillips"
<bear_phillips@...> wrote:
>
> I just go my butterfly and am trying to do a simple program to blink
> leds. This code compiles fine, but wont run the LEDs.  If I take the
> FOR LOOPs out of the blink subroutine and put them in main, then it
> works fine.  It is almost like the program runs but my blink
> subroutine is never called.  Any thought s I what I may be doing wrong?
>
> thanks
> chad
>
> #include <avr/io.h>
> #include <avr/delay.h>
>
> void blink(void);
>
> int main (void) {
>     // set PORTD for output
>     DDRD = 0xFF;
>
>     while(1) {
>        blink();
>     }
> }
>
> void blink() {
>     DDRD = 0xFF;
>     for(int i = 1; i <= 128; i = i*2) {
>           PORTD = i;
>          _delay_ms(100);
>     }
>
>     for(int i = 128; i > 1; i -= i/2) {
>          PORTD = i;
>        _delay_ms(100);
>     }
> }
>