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Why isn't agile being adopted by embedded development teams?   Message List  
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We asked this question at the Agile Embedded Discovery session at
Agile2007.

Here are some of the answers from our session:

* Most embedded projects are small (not much process is needed)
* Embedded software techniques are 20 years behind the current state
of the art
* Embedded systems companies have typically been around longer and
have established practices that are hard to change (most of these
companies were 100% hardware companies)
* Software is written by electrical engineers
* Systems are smaller, can be successful with less structure
* Embedded developers are conservative
* Agile shoots itself in the foot (The face of the agile message turns
off engineers. Up front design is not needed. No documents)
* Agile is perceived as loose, undisciplined.
* Engineers want he proof. where's the data?


What do you think?






Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:29 am

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We asked this question at the Agile Embedded Discovery session at Agile2007. Here are some of the answers from our session: * Most embedded projects are small...
James Grenning
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Hi, I have been wondering the same thing and I have asked it few times from some people participating on our trainings. I work for a training and consulting...
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Folks, This thread is of special interest to me because I had exactly these issues way back 9 years ago when I first started doing full-up agile practices with...
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Nancy this quote has been attributed to you. Is it true? What is the definition of embedded software? ... James W. Grenning Object Mentor, Inc. ...
James Grenning
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James, I seem to recall somewhere that I offered that as a quick & dirty definition once. My point was that embedded software usually starts out very small, as...
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Hi, I noticed this older email, and I want to let you all know that our website for Lean-Agile Partners is now up and the article I referred to in this posting...
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There is no one answer to this one, except that all you need is an if statement to get started. I've been working on CppUTest with Bas Vodde and Michael...
James Grenning
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Hi, Hmm... one of the drawbacks is that currently CppUTEst is in C++. Do many people have a C compiler that doesn't support C++? (I haven't even tried our...
Bas Vodde
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... Do ... on my ... with ... I think that the lack of accessible unit test environments is a big road block. Unit testing is a fundamental, underlying...
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Hi Dave, Thanks very much for the comments. Some comments back on the requirements: 1. CppUTest is written is such a way that you do not need to know C++ when...
Bas Vodde
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... The major road block that I see isn't testing. It's interfacing with the rest of the project that's not agile. I have been on several project that have...
Rick
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... have ... be >agile. I don't believe this for a second. Our FPGA folks iterate their code as the overall system design matures. They are starting to...
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... Look at this: http://www.ddj.com/cpp/184401279 includes C only framework, there are others but you may also consider this approach: ...
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Our group at Atomic Object has developed a C unit test framework, Unity, that is written fully in C. It was initially based on EmbUnit, but rewritten in order...
willi297
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... turns ... The words used are also a barrier. "Old style" embedded development is typically in C. But much of the agile world is doing development using...
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As a QA Engineer in automotive embedded, I can give a few impressions. I'm also an experienced developer with some Agile background, but I've written no...
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I'm working for a medical device company. Our current project is to redesign the GUI of our system. The original (waterfall) based design has everything based...
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... not in our case ... that company won't survive or will move to China ... change is good :) ... true but they are usually smart and can be trained ... ...
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It's long email... The only significant technical reason I can see is the difficulty in running unit tests on resource-constrained platforms. There are ways ...
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... This happens too much. Its the belief that senior people don't have time to be slowed by the less senior. Every team needs senior and capable people. The...
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... to check in their work though :) Hah! It reminds me of the Zen koan: If a tree falls in the forest, and no-one is there to hear it, is there any sound? The...
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I'll second that. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. As well as happy whatever you celebrate! James ... James W. Grenning Object Mentor, Inc. cell:...
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Mark Good to see your counter examples. Can you tell a little more? James ... James W. Grenning Object Mentor, Inc. cell: 847-331-9942 www.objectmentor.com ...
James Grenning
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... We are in the midst of planning and bidding a new project. We will use "legacy" methods to size it but we are using much more agile approach to managing...
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Sounds like you might be building a process reporting adapter. phased development management structure with iterative implementation. Will other project team...
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One way to introduce weekly iterations into the process is to ask for intermediate System Integration testing or Engineering testing to be done. For example,...
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