Waterfall and BDUF work sometimes. Maybe we should not give up on them :-) ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Bas Vodde
basvodde
Mar 20, 2013 1:31 pm
So you do want to end up in an email political discussion (without beer) on the Agile Embedded list :) Bas...
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James Grenning
jwgrenning
Mar 20, 2013 2:39 pm
I can drop it. let's wait for beer :-) ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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napoli_j
Apr 3, 2013 6:07 pm
Is anyone else using Cucumber for testing embedded software and electronics?...
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Joe Schneider
josschne
Apr 3, 2013 6:11 pm
Yes! Joe Schneider [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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napoli_j
Apr 3, 2013 6:25 pm
Awesome! What sort of applications are you familiar with? Have you published anything about your techniques and experience? I'm trying to use it improve...
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Greg Williams
willi297
Apr 3, 2013 7:22 pm
We (AtomicObject/AtomicEmbedded) have been working with Joe Schneider on applying Cucumber to test an "embedded"; C++ system that runs on a customized Linux...
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Joshua Napoli
napoli_j
Apr 3, 2013 9:04 pm
Greg, Thanks for the pointers! I'm looking for more stories from others who have tried similar approaches. My project is written in C++ and I have played ...
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Matt Wilbur
bitbasher
Apr 3, 2013 9:08 pm
I have pondered it a lot but haven't done it myself. Take a look at http://pragprog.com/magazines/2011-04/testing-arduino-code When I looked at it a while...
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Joshua Napoli
napoli_j
Apr 3, 2013 9:42 pm
Matt, Thanks for the links. In the "testing ardunio code" blog, Ian illustrated a couple of problems that I ran into. Without an active open-source embedded ...
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Joe Schneider
josschne
Apr 4, 2013 1:18 am
I don't have much to add from what Greg has mentioned. We have found the combination of Cucumber and the Wire Protocol very usable as a testing tool. The...
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Matt Wilbur
bitbasher
Apr 4, 2013 1:26 am
Greg, Have you used Cucumber on an embedded project to capture "non user-interfacey" things? This is why I stay undecided - usually the requirements I'm given...
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Greg Williams
willi297
Apr 4, 2013 2:16 am
Josh, Ha! Yeah, we had some difficulties getting our cukes setup to stabilize, but most of the work was really to allow us to run cukes in parallel, and also...
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Joshua Napoli
napoli_j
Apr 4, 2013 2:35 am
I've used Cucumber to describe internal REST services in a web setting. That seemed to give good value and turned out to be a reasonable way to describe JSON...
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Greg Williams
willi297
Apr 4, 2013 1:49 pm
Josh, Yes! The sky is the limit! It's hard, but that's why we are all in this business of software development. There should be no barriers that prevent scrum...
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jpetrangelo1
May 9, 2013 2:43 pm
I hope you'll forgive this slightly off-topic post. Does anyone see a trend for companies to not give their software engineers admin rights to their PCs? I ask...
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Benjamin Bergman
thebenbergman
May 9, 2013 3:01 pm
Where I work, we have a mix of Windows and Linux machines. When I started a couple years ago, everyone had admin access to everything, but they have recently...
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Bas Vodde
basvodde
May 10, 2013 5:20 am
Hi Jeanne, Unfortunately, I think it is quite common :( That said, I do see an increase use of virtual machines, over which then developers have full control...
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James Grenning
jwgrenning
May 10, 2013 11:19 pm
Hi Jeanne I see a little of that. I recommend against it when I see it. Regarding weaning off the embedded IDEs: I suggest a they do their TDD off-target. ...
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Thad Smith
thadsmith3
May 11, 2013 2:18 am
My experience has been the opposite. My previous employer went from locked down to admin for the engineers. The current company opened it up admin rights, at...
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Matt Wilbur
bitbasher
May 11, 2013 3:13 pm
At my company, we have gone to all company-administered Windows machines for employees, but we insisted (and thankfully were successful) in having sufficient...
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Matt Wilbur
bitbasher
May 11, 2013 4:14 pm
I've recently found out some code that I wrote and test-drove will have to be modified to work within a (horrible, poorly-documented, hand-rolled) asynchronous...
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Benjamin Bergman
thebenbergman
May 13, 2013 4:24 pm
I work in the test/QA department. I spend most of my time writing software used to either validate the embedded software builds as they are released or...
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jpetrangelo1
May 13, 2013 5:21 pm
Hi James, Regarding Cygwin vs Linux in a VM; when they have a Windows based cross compiler, do you tend to stick with using it in a Windows environment, or do...
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jpetrangelo1
May 13, 2013 5:37 pm
Hi Benjamin, Are you asking about replacing your bash and C++ applications with a different testing framework, or are you asking about using a unit test...
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Benjamin Bergman
thebenbergman
May 13, 2013 5:51 pm
I guess I'm asking about both. Does it makes sense to replace the bash scripts and C++ applications with something based on a widely used testing framework? If...
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jpetrangelo1
May 13, 2013 8:06 pm
I think I know what you're asking. So you have a Linux development environment and Linux target; the production code has an API your tests use to drive it; You...
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Benjamin Bergman
thebenbergman
May 13, 2013 11:11 pm
... Exactly. A bunch of SSH, serial, telnet, and other connections to the product. ... Ya, that is pretty much what I was thinking would have to happen. I...
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Jeanne Petrangelo
jpetrangelo1
May 13, 2013 11:57 pm
... What aspect(s) of your work are you hoping will be easier? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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David Good
the_real_dav...
May 15, 2013 3:48 pm
Perhaps Robot is what you are looking for? http://robotframework.org/ I learned about it here: ...
