>to make things easier, financially, could boards of this nature be >produced
"on demand", similar to "books on demand" or things like >that where the
consumer orders and pays and one board (or any number >he orders) will be
assembled and shipped to him without having to >mass produce so many boards in a
go?

Such services do exist. It's possible send PCB files to a board fabricator and
have 1 or 2 made. (First some one has to make or give you the files of course.)
Once you receive your board it could then be sent to another company that would
assemble it. However the cost for such small quantities would be ridiculously
high.

Group options are another possibility if you find enough people to participate.

Read this Amiga thread for one good example....

http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=45531&forum=8

Troy








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On Jun 17, 2008, at 6:21 AM, Shahbaz Parsipour wrote:

>
> hi all,
>
> to make things easier, financially, could boards of this nature be
> produced "on demand", similar to "books on demand" or things like
> that where the consumer orders and pays and one board (or any number
> he orders) will be assembled and shipped to him without having to
> mass produce so many boards in a go?


I think first you would need a working prototype.  Elbox showed one
off over two years ago.  Haven't heard a peep out of them about it
since.

hi all,

to make things easier, financially, could boards of this nature be produced "on
demand", similar to "books on demand" or things like that where the consumer
orders and pays and one board (or any number he orders) will be assembled and
shipped to him without having to mass produce so many boards in a go?

regards
d






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> The project is basically over, as said in one of my last posts I plan
> to dp a card using a V2 coldfire but there would be no point in
> launching that card, its slower than current 060 cards.

Is slower than 060 reason enough?  That would be nice but where would it fall
speed-wise?  It's not like you can find ANY new Amiga accelerators out there so
maybe the board could still find support.

Some might sacrifice speed in favour of other features like more memory, modern
memory, new drive controller, etc.

If you can produce a working accelerator, there are Amigas out there that can
use it.

Jaeson

Hello methanoid,

On 06/02/2008, methanoid wrote:

> 3 months with no posts, 6 years since started...

Not to mention the more than two weeks lag for your post to appear on the
list.

Gene Kelly

Lo

> 3 months with no posts, 6 years since started...
Yep, no posts and 6 years. :-/
The project is basically over, as said in one of my last posts I plan
to dp a card using a V2 coldfire but there would be no point in
launching that card, its slower than current 060 cards.

I also said that off topic posts would be rejected which probably
caused people to not post any off topic chat (Thanks, I dont like
rejecting people ;-) ) and as such the low post count. (plus I dont
get e-mails from Yahoo when posts need approving, only when they are
near the 14 day "auto reject" limit :-(

> I hate to sound too down but is this ever gonna happen?
Doubt it.

> It seems Elbox cannot deliver on Dragon
They have a working prototype showing 3.9.
They are waiting for something, I dont know what.

> so how is Oli gonna deliver as a one man band?
Im Jake the peg didle didle didle dum, with my extra leg.... err.

> I'd love some new hardware for Amiga but I suspect the only route
> we'll see some from is IF Jens Schoenfeld's crew come up with
> Clone-A in ITX form.

The A-Clone isnt ment to be faster than the current classic Amigas
though is it? I thought it was just a "commercial" minimig design.
Now the NatAmi is interesting, if it comes out I will be getting one.
I think it is probably time for a new motherboard design.

3 months with no posts, 6 years since started...

I hate to sound too down but is this ever gonna happen? It seems Elbox
cannot deliver on Dragon so how is Oli gonna deliver as a one man band?

I'd love some new hardware for Amiga but I suspect the only route
we'll see some from is IF Jens Schoenfeld's crew come up with Clone-A
in ITX form.

:(

I was wondering if you were still working on the 030 adapter. Lately
I've gotten in to some PCB board layout work and I'm seriously looking
at reworking an accelerator board for 3000/4000's if I can find enough
data. I think I have enough info to start working on a A3640. Cheaper
and easier than other options for classics any way.

I was also thinking that I could try to rework an 030 board design if
it could be done to suit the V2 coldfire instead of the 030. I know
such a card would have software compatiblility issues, but even if the
card sort of worked, it would be an interesing experiment.

Troy

2008/1/25, tbsilvey@... <tbsilvey@...>:

>  CPU32+ (68000) compatible 66mhz embedded controller with programmable I/O's
(It claims real time performance of a 200mhz risc)
>  http://www.innovasic.com/fido.htm
>
>  I'm still reading through the docs trying to figure out if it
> would be fesible or not and wanted to see what the rest of you
> thought about this as an option.

IIRC CPU32 isn't exactly 100% 680x0 compatible.


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2008/1/23, Jaeson Koszarsky <jaesonk@...>:

> Aren't the CyberStorms all 64bit? I'd think these would have faster
> memory than WarpEngines. The CyberStorms are faster than the 32bit
> Blizzards.

phase5 boards have the slowest memory access. CyberstormMK3/PPC is the only
phase5 board with 64bit access to memory, but WarpEngines, GVP G-Force and
Apollo are faster.


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2008/1/9, Jaeson Koszarsky <jaesonk@...>:
>
> Give it a try and let everyone know how it works out.  Maybe the
>  voltage supplied to the processor comes directly from the host board?
>
>  It would be interesting if a board could be wedged inbetween the
>  processor and the accelerator to provide addition memory and/or other
>  features.

It won't work with 060. AFAIK X-Calibur is designed for 5v and not 3.3v
>
>  I wouldn't mind trying a CSPPC prototype in one of my DraCo's to see if
>  it could run OS4.  An accelerated DraCo would be great.  A Coldfire
>  board that could sit in an 060 socket would be nice too.
>
In case it would work, I have doubts Draco m68k drivers work.


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Jaime Cagigal

> I don't know if you have compared a 040 and a 060 chip but 060 has
> some extra rows of pins. In addition to that, it's not as easy to
> adapt a 040 board to use a 060, otherwise people would be using
> WarpEngines with 060 chips and would get much better memory speeds
> than using phase5 boards

Aren't the CyberStorms all 64bit?  I'd think these would have faster
memory than WarpEngines.  The CyberStorms are faster than the 32bit
Blizzards.

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http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=42953&forum=22

CPU32+ (68000) compatible 66mhz embedded controller with programmable I/O's (It
claims real time performance of a 200mhz risc)
http://www.innovasic.com/fido.htm

I'm still reading through the docs trying to figure out if it would be fesible
or not and wanted to see what the rest of you thought about this as an option. I
can't find much about instruction compatibility yet, and will the I/O's be
sufficient?

Troy

Coincidental that this obscure topic should come up!  I happen to
have an X-Calibur board. The other day I was reading the readme file
on the driver disk that came with the X-Calibur and it gave me an
idea.  According to the doc, the X-Calibur is "designed to be fully
upward compatible with the 'soon to be released' 68060 processor from
Motorolla".  That got me thinking.  Hmmm..  Does that mean the X-
Calibur could (in theory at least) ride atop, say, a CyberstormPPC
card??  Just out of curiosity I checked the orientation of the chips
on the two boards and how this might be done.  And you know what?
They line up *almost* perfectly!  I say almost because the X-Calibur
would barely clear the PPC with a small heatsink, leaving no room for
a fan.  A platine or riser of some sort would have to be built to
raise the X-Calibur enough so that the PPC could breathe.  The other
issue(s) I can forsee would be to make sure the X-Calibur does not
feed the 68060 +5V.  Power would have to be converted to +3.3V for
the 060.  The memory on the X-Calibur (4x72 pin SIMM 32M/each) should
be easily addressable by the Cyberstorm, right?  Same as if I had a
DKB3128 plugged into a Zorro slot.  Also, the BlizzardPPC can address
256Meg so I see no reason why the Cyberstorm couldn't.  It sounds
kind of crazy but after considering this a bit, I actually believe
this could work.  Comments/feedback/assertions of insanity are more
than welcome on my idea.



--- In Amigacoldfire@yahoogroups.com, "Oliver Day" <oliver@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> > I wonder if it would be very complex to create a board similar
> > to the old X-Calibur board for A3640, that plugged between the
040
> > and the A3640 and contained 128MB (soldered).
> > There are thousands of A3640 boards out there that are almost
> > useless because you can't fit more than 16MB in the motherboard.
>
> Could it be done, yeah. Xilinx give the code away for Dram and
SDRam
> controllers for use with their CPLD's, but honestly it aint worth
it
> imho. (unless a cheap adaptor for the A2000/A500 could be made that
> would use the low end fast slot cards, which you could maybe build
> the memory controller on too)
>
> > I guess that with a small FPGA that acted as memory controller
> > for the 040 and a pair of 64MB DDR memory chips it would be
enough.
> Argh DDR, noooooo.
> Come on, 72 pin simms are easy to add, there are the designs on
> aminet for adding 8 meg of ram to an A500, the design would only
need
> a minor change to fit directly on an 040 bus.
> SD-Ram would be ok too, but nooooooo not ddr. :) (yeah I know you
> will come back with "but you cant get simms and sdram any more", I
> just ordered 128meg of brand new 72pin simms (60ns) and it cost me
> £20, every computer shop in the UK seems to still stock 72pin
simms,
> even the one up the road from me)
>
> A new 68060 card would be much better and with the price of PCB's
and
> CPLD's/FGA's falling all the time you could probably make a very
> cheap 060 card, the fast slot connector would be the biggest
expense.
> Even second-hand 060's are cheap from ebay. (And there are ways
round
> the rohs system so you could sell a new 060 card thats rohs
compliant
> and just have a plug in second hand 060 chip)
> Anyway thats going off topic rather fast.
>
> The answer is yes it can be done, the code is availble for some
> generic memory controllers like as you say opencores and xilinx.
> I have no idea what the price would be like, say £55-ish retail
maybe.
>

2008/1/7, David <stopthegop@...>:
>
> Very coincidental that this obscure topic should come up!  I happen
>  to have an X-Calibur board. The other day I was reading the readme
>  file on the driver disk that came with the X-Calibur and it gave me
>  an idea.  According to the doc, the X-Calibur is "designed to be
>  fully upward compatible with the 'soon to be released' 68060
>  processor from Motorolla".  That got me thinking.  Hmmm..  Does that
>  mean the X-Calibur could (in theory at least) ride atop, say, a
>  CyberstormPPC card??  Just out of curiosity I checked the orientation

It depends on where x-calibur maps the 128MB. The PPC probably won't
be able to address the additional memory.

>  of the chips on the two boards and how this might be done.  And you
>  know what?  They line up *almost* perfectly!  I say almost because
>  the X-Calibur would barely clear the PPC with a small heatsink,
>  leaving no room for a fan.  A platine or riser of some sort would
>  have to be built to raise the X-Calibur enough so that the PPC could
>  breathe.  The other issue(s) I can forsee would be to make sure the X-
>  Calibur does not feed the 68060 +5V.  Power would have to be
>  converted to +3.3V for the 060.  The memory on the X-Calibur (4x72

I don't know if you have compared a 040 and a 060 chip but 060 has
some extra rows of pins. In addition to that, it's not as easy to
adapt a 040 board to use a 060, otherwise people would be using
WarpEngines with 060 chips and would get much better memory speeds
than using phase5 boards

>  pin SIMM 32M/each) should be easily addressable by the Cyberstorm,

What makes you think it would be easily addressable by the CSPPC? I
don't think the PPC can address that memory as the CSPPC memory
controller isn't designed for that.

The CSPPC may map other stuff in the memory area used by the
x-calibur, don't forget that x-calibur is a slightly "hacky" board,
designed to work with A3640.

>  right?  Same as if I had a DKB3128 plugged into a Zorro slot.  Also,

It's not the same as you are connecting something between the 680x0
and the memory controller and not outside that memory area. The PPC
e.g. will have hard time discovering that on address 0xWhatever
connected to some pins of the 680x0 there's a memory expansion. I
don't know how it autoconfigs but in case you got it working with a
040 CSPPC I doubt the PPC chip would be able to address that memory
and of course, OS4 wouldn't be able to use it.

>  the BlizzardPPC can address 256Meg so I see no reason why the
>  Cyberstorm couldn't.  It sounds kind of crazy but after considering

The memory controller of the CSPPC isn't designed to do that.
BlizzardPPC has supported 256MB since the beginning and CSPPC hasn't,
despiting the fact that it was updated and its programable logic
reprogrammed. Even the unreleased update that corrected DMA transfers
with G-Rex didn't address more than 128MB.

>  this a bit, I actually believe this could work.
>  Comments/feedback/assertions of insanity are more than welcome on my
>  idea.
>
Since simms eat a lot of power you'll risk the power traces of your PPC card.

memory addresses may collide as the CVPPC slot has more than 1.5GB of
space reserved IIRC.


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Jaime Cagigal

Give it a try and let everyone know how it works out.  Maybe the
voltage supplied to the processor comes directly from the host board?

It would be interesting if a board could be wedged inbetween the
processor and the accelerator to provide addition memory and/or other
features.

I wouldn't mind trying a CSPPC prototype in one of my DraCo's to see if
it could run OS4.  An accelerated DraCo would be great.  A Coldfire
board that could sit in an 060 socket would be nice too.

Jaeson

--- David <stopthegop@...> wrote:

> Very coincidental that this obscure topic should come up!  I happen
> to have an X-Calibur board. The other day I was reading the readme
> file on the driver disk that came with the X-Calibur and it gave me
> an idea.  According to the doc, the X-Calibur is "designed to be
> fully upward compatible with the 'soon to be released' 68060
> processor from Motorolla".  That got me thinking.  Hmmm..  Does that
> mean the X-Calibur could (in theory at least) ride atop, say, a
> CyberstormPPC card??  Just out of curiosity I checked the orientation
>
> of the chips on the two boards and how this might be done.  And you
> know what?  They line up *almost* perfectly!  I say almost because
> the X-Calibur would barely clear the PPC with a small heatsink,
> leaving no room for a fan.  A platine or riser of some sort would
> have to be built to raise the X-Calibur enough so that the PPC could
> breathe.  The other issue(s) I can forsee would be to make sure the
> X-
> Calibur does not feed the 68060 +5V.  Power would have to be
> converted to +3.3V for the 060.  The memory on the X-Calibur (4x72
> pin SIMM 32M/each) should be easily addressable by the Cyberstorm,
> right?  Same as if I had a DKB3128 plugged into a Zorro slot.  Also,
> the BlizzardPPC can address 256Meg so I see no reason why the
> Cyberstorm couldn't.  It sounds kind of crazy but after considering
> this a bit, I actually believe this could work.
> Comments/feedback/assertions of insanity are more than welcome on my
> idea.
>
> --- In Amigacoldfire@yahoogroups.com, "Jaime Cagigal" <jcagigal@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > As Oliver talked about a coldfire design that plugged into a 030
> > socket I wonder if it would be very complex to create a board
> similar
> > to the old X-Calibur board for A3640, that plugged between the 040
> and
> > the A3640 and contained 128MB (soldered). There are thousands of
> A3640
> > boards out there that are almost useless because you can't fit more
> > than 16MB in the motherboard. I guess that with a small FPGA that
> > acted as memory controller for the 040 and a pair of 64MB DDR
> memory
> > chips it would be enough. If it didn't eat much space this could be
> > useful for old A2000/A500 memory boards... There are DDR memory
> > controller at opencores.org. I guess it would be possible too to
> > include a simple gfx card connected directly to the 040 bus (That
> > would provide a very fast bus to gfx ram), mapped to an unused
> memory
> > area (but that probably would be too much complex for such a tiny
> > board).
> >
> >
> > --
> > Saludos/Best Regards
> > Jaime Cagigal
> >
>
>
>


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Very coincidental that this obscure topic should come up!  I happen
to have an X-Calibur board. The other day I was reading the readme
file on the driver disk that came with the X-Calibur and it gave me
an idea.  According to the doc, the X-Calibur is "designed to be
fully upward compatible with the 'soon to be released' 68060
processor from Motorolla".  That got me thinking.  Hmmm..  Does that
mean the X-Calibur could (in theory at least) ride atop, say, a
CyberstormPPC card??  Just out of curiosity I checked the orientation
of the chips on the two boards and how this might be done.  And you
know what?  They line up *almost* perfectly!  I say almost because
the X-Calibur would barely clear the PPC with a small heatsink,
leaving no room for a fan.  A platine or riser of some sort would
have to be built to raise the X-Calibur enough so that the PPC could
breathe.  The other issue(s) I can forsee would be to make sure the X-
Calibur does not feed the 68060 +5V.  Power would have to be
converted to +3.3V for the 060.  The memory on the X-Calibur (4x72
pin SIMM 32M/each) should be easily addressable by the Cyberstorm,
right?  Same as if I had a DKB3128 plugged into a Zorro slot.  Also,
the BlizzardPPC can address 256Meg so I see no reason why the
Cyberstorm couldn't.  It sounds kind of crazy but after considering
this a bit, I actually believe this could work.
Comments/feedback/assertions of insanity are more than welcome on my
idea.

--- In Amigacoldfire@yahoogroups.com, "Jaime Cagigal" <jcagigal@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> As Oliver talked about a coldfire design that plugged into a 030
> socket I wonder if it would be very complex to create a board
similar
> to the old X-Calibur board for A3640, that plugged between the 040
and
> the A3640 and contained 128MB (soldered). There are thousands of
A3640
> boards out there that are almost useless because you can't fit more
> than 16MB in the motherboard. I guess that with a small FPGA that
> acted as memory controller for the 040 and a pair of 64MB DDR memory
> chips it would be enough. If it didn't eat much space this could be
> useful for old A2000/A500 memory boards... There are DDR memory
> controller at opencores.org. I guess it would be possible too to
> include a simple gfx card connected directly to the 040 bus (That
> would provide a very fast bus to gfx ram), mapped to an unused
memory
> area (but that probably would be too much complex for such a tiny
> board).
>
>
> --
> Saludos/Best Regards
> Jaime Cagigal
>

Hello and Happy 2008,

This isn't a Coldfire question but it is accelerator related and folks
here probably know the answer.  Can any 040 accelerator be upgraded to
an 060 or just certain boards?  For example, could you put an 060 on
an A3640 or WarpEngine4040?

Jaeson

Hi

> I wonder if it would be very complex to create a board similar
> to the old X-Calibur board for A3640, that plugged between the 040
> and the A3640 and contained 128MB (soldered).
> There are thousands of A3640 boards out there that are almost
> useless because you can't fit more than 16MB in the motherboard.

Could it be done, yeah. Xilinx give the code away for Dram and SDRam
controllers for use with their CPLD's, but honestly it aint worth it
imho. (unless a cheap adaptor for the A2000/A500 could be made that
would use the low end fast slot cards, which you could maybe build
the memory controller on too)

> I guess that with a small FPGA that acted as memory controller
> for the 040 and a pair of 64MB DDR memory chips it would be enough.
Argh DDR, noooooo.
Come on, 72 pin simms are easy to add, there are the designs on
aminet for adding 8 meg of ram to an A500, the design would only need
a minor change to fit directly on an 040 bus.
SD-Ram would be ok too, but nooooooo not ddr. :) (yeah I know you
will come back with "but you cant get simms and sdram any more", I
just ordered 128meg of brand new 72pin simms (60ns) and it cost me
£20, every computer shop in the UK seems to still stock 72pin simms,
even the one up the road from me)

A new 68060 card would be much better and with the price of PCB's and
CPLD's/FGA's falling all the time you could probably make a very
cheap 060 card, the fast slot connector would be the biggest expense.
Even second-hand 060's are cheap from ebay. (And there are ways round
the rohs system so you could sell a new 060 card thats rohs compliant
and just have a plug in second hand 060 chip)
Anyway thats going off topic rather fast.

The answer is yes it can be done, the code is availble for some
generic memory controllers like as you say opencores and xilinx.
I have no idea what the price would be like, say £55-ish retail maybe.

Hi!

As Oliver talked about a coldfire design that plugged into a 030
socket I wonder if it would be very complex to create a board similar
to the old X-Calibur board for A3640, that plugged between the 040 and
the A3640 and contained 128MB (soldered). There are thousands of A3640
boards out there that are almost useless because you can't fit more
than 16MB in the motherboard. I guess that with a small FPGA that
acted as memory controller for the 040 and a pair of 64MB DDR memory
chips it would be enough. If it didn't eat much space this could be
useful for old A2000/A500 memory boards... There are DDR memory
controller at opencores.org. I guess it would be possible too to
include a simple gfx card connected directly to the 040 bus (That
would provide a very fast bus to gfx ram), mapped to an unused memory
area (but that probably would be too much complex for such a tiny
board).


--
Saludos/Best Regards
Jaime Cagigal

> http://members.iinet.net.au/~davem2/amiga.html

A great resource!  I've checked it out before.  It's worth bookmarking.


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rgarza001 wrote:

> I am curious if the owners of this project have thought about the
>posibility of doing a stand alone board with a coldfire processor and a
>PCI slot, much like the PPC equipped Efika board.

  http://www.austexsoftware.com/nueron.html

Hi,

>  I am curious if the owners of this project have thought about the
> posibility of doing a stand alone board with a coldfire processor
> and a PCI slot, much like the PPC equipped Efika board.
> With the recently released MCF54455 I think it should be relatively
> easy to implement such a design.

I have thought it would be a cool board and a great project but I
have not attempted such a thing, mainly because its not something I
could assemble (large bga's etc) and the PCB companies I use are not
able to do via's small enough for navigating out of the high density
BGA components.
But yes, the V4e Coldfires would be perfect for a Efika type board, I
agree totally.

>  I know you must be thinking "but it would not be able to run
> Amiga Software". That is why a PCI slot would be important.
> If a coldfire machine were available maybe you can convince
> Individual Computers to release a PCI card with FPGA that
> includes their amiga chipset implementation
> and maybe a 68000 and/or 68EC020 core.

Firstly thats a computer on a stick and may as well be in a PC :) and
secondly you cant stick the Amiga custom chipset on a PCI slot, the
addresses the software calls would all be wrong. (unlike, as you say,
you put the whole Amiga on the same PCI card)
That said, the best classic Amiga uses a voodoo graphics card and
workbench 3.9 and that would require no custom Amiga parts, hence
making the Amiga cheap.
You could even contact Amiga directly for a licence to port OS3.9, I
think they need the income. :)

> Also if a coldfire machine was finally available it would certainly
> increase the interest in fianlly implenting the AROS Kickstart
> ROM Replacement bounty since once it is done for the 68k,
> recompilation into coldfire should be quick and painless.

Yes, if Amiga said "no thanks" to porting 3.9 then the AROS bounty
would be a great way to go.

So basically I love the idea but its beyond what I can do at the
moment.

Oliver Hannaford-Day
Group Owner

Hi guys.

Im afraid Im going to start rejecting "off topic" posts about using
PC CPU's and the like on the Amiga. I know a lot of people here are
subscribed to other amiga forums like amiga.org and amigaworld.net
and are just here for any news on the project so I hope you guys dont
mind to much.

I know that will reduce the number of posts on the forum but
hopefully the group will still be interesting.

Also please note that if you only want to know about any news on the
project you can alter your membership at any time to "special notices
only" which will only send you posts by myself that I consider news.

No new updates to report, sorry.
Im working on the V2 Coldfire board, Ive changed it a bit from the
uploaded pictures, adding a larger CPLD and so I can attach part of
the databus to it. (Needed for CPU configuration but left off the
first design, opps)

I have also done an 060 design, again its just dumped to three CPLD's
(one for data, one for address and one for bus signals) which is a
bit of a play thing to be honest. (I will be trying out a new pcb
company who do cheap four layer boards with this design)

At the moment Im in the throws of closing down the electronics
business I run so time is short but I should be able to finish the
designs off over the christmas period and send them to be printed in
Jan.

I am curious if the owners of this project have thought about the
posibility of doing a stand alone board with a coldfire processor and a
PCI slot, much like the PPC equipped Efika board. With the recently
released MCF54455 I think it should be relatively easy to implement such a
design.
  I know you must be thinking "but it would not be able to run Amiga
Software". That is why a PCI slot would be important. If a coldfire
machine were available maybe you can convince Individual Computers to
release a PCI card with FPGA that includes their amiga chipset
implementation (aka Clone-A) and maybe a 68000 and/or 68EC020 core. Also
if a coldfire machine was finally available it would certainly increase
the
interest in fianlly implenting the AROS Kickstart ROM Replacement bounty
since once it is done for the 68k, recompilation into coldfire should be
quick and painless.

Hello Troy,

On 10/01/2007, you wrote:

>> The question is, is there a need for an accelerator?
>
> Yes. I have two idle Amigas because they have no working CPU card. Others
> would like better performance than an 030 or 040. Several folks have been
> asking for another run of 060 cards. How large is the need is an accurate
> question. Since in reality, Amiga hardware is pretty much relegated to the
> hobby realm, even a small need is valid.

I also have idle Amigas sitting here.  One 030, two 040s, and one 060.  All of
the CPUs work.  I use the 060, but after using my AmigaOne I cannot return
to the slower 030 and 040.  There those boxes sit waiting for faster cards.

Gene Kelly

Shahbaz Parsipour wrote:

>...until Commodore died, Amiga went into a comma...

  Hehe, that has to be the most apt typo ever. Amiga went into a comma
and years after, we are all still waiting to hear the rest of the sentence.
:)

--- Jaeson Koszarsky <jaesonk@...> wrote:

[[snip]]

>
> Heat should be a concern.  My A4000 is roomier than my A1200T in
> terms
> of the cooling airflow around the processor.  But could either
> adequately cool a super-heated processor?

regardless of the talk about the cpu power and speed etc going on here
on the list, i'm going to stress upon something i have had quite an
experience with and i really feel i should refer to it in here too:

no matter how effectively an internal cooling system on any computer
case, tower, laptop or whatever works, it'll be almost totally useless
if there is no external cooling system available in the working area or
the room itself just as well!  (consider ultra-cold buildings where
huge mainframe computers with powerful fans already built-in are kept
and run, even today in the truly professional arenas.)

that is why i am not personally very much worried about such issues
with 'tight-case' Amigas such as the A3000 etc.

try using a small size (or a big one if really needed!) external fan
(available in most retail stores in various shapes and sizes) somewhere
around the working area where the computer case or tower is situated
and you'll just see the difference in performance, even if the computer
cpu is not a hot one really.

(fan's annoying noise can also be avoided by using a proper model.)

> The G5 macs at the office
> have monster heatsinks to dissipate heat, that wouldn't fit in any
> classic Amiga.
>

even if it fit, i wouldn't be using it on an Amiga!

although i do love and respect Apple hardware designs greatly, Mac G5
boxes are their most terrible mistake ever inspite of the great
performance they truly have.

3/4 of the entire huge box's space is wasted on the cooling system!

nice effort on Apple's behalf to face off the super-hot Wintel bice and
their ridiculous cooling funnels, but no wonder they were discontinued
eventually and Apple had to go Wintelistic after all ...

:)

regards
d

--- "tbsilvey@..." <tbsilvey@...> wrote:

> >The question is, is there a need for an accelerator?
>
> Yes. I have two idle Amigas because they have no working CPU card.
> Others would like better performance than an 030 or 040. Several
> folks have been asking for another run of 060 cards. How large is the
> need is an accurate question. Since in reality, Amiga hardware is
> pretty much relegated to the hobby realm, even a small need is valid.
>

all that said, and true of course, my own concern (rather than
question) is that even if such a 'classic Amiga accelerator' of any
design spx would be available, for how long my old Amigas will be able
to perform properly thus make use of such accelerators?

i have more than a "couple of idle Amigas" that require some part or
repair and it seems they might never be usable again, at least in the
not so distant future!  (come to think of it, the latest / newest
factory made original / classic Amigas were made in ????)

if it were to me to make it happen (and if i could do it too) i'd
re-manufacture (not just refurbish) new -old- Amigas!

(hey, "new -old- Amigas" ?  what the heck does that mean please?)

:))

d






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