Back in the 80s, I was involved in service of large (75HP)DC motors used
like servo motors. They had to have air blown through the motors to cool
them.

Any chance of doing that here?

You can compute duty cycle by using the Root Mean Square method.

[Brad Stogsdill]~  If the loaded welding output is say 36 volts (3x12) then
the amperage would be 130/3 =43 amps to put out the same wattage. So I
don't think we can count on welding at the advertised amperage without
using a duty cycle... does anyone know anything about that?

Brad Stogsdill wrote:
>
>
> Hi Reid-
>
> I dont have any answers but wanted to say hello and keep us posted on
> your progess.
>
> One comment I have is that ( I think) when an altie is rated at 130
> amps, it is a given that it is 130 amps at 12 volts so that would be
> 1560 watts.  If the loaded welding output is say 36 volts (3x12) then
> the amperage would be 130/3 =43 amps to put out the same wattage. So I
> dont think we can count on welding at the advertised amperage wihtout
> using a duty cycle... doea anyone know anyhting about that?
>

Generally, the output voltage is not critical unless you have one of the
GM alternators with "avalanche protection diodes."  They protect the
expensive ECU if the alternator goes wild by blowing and killing the
alternator, permanently.  Replacing the diode pack with a higher voltage
one fixes that.  The output CURRENT gets it hot.  Often either the fan
is the wrong way or just isn't spinning fast enough to keep the diodes
cool.  Yes, many fans are directional.

--
David G. LeVine
Nashua, NH  03060

phayzedog wrote:
> --- In Amptramp@yahoogroups.com, "phayzedog" <phayzedog@...> wrote:
>
>> Steve, what are the specs on your choke coil on your portawelder page?  I'm
thinking of using a larger diameter core (say, 2 or 3")for better heat
dissipation and am looking for a ballpark impedance spec.  I just came across
50' of old copper ground line in the shed and my father donated a roll of 1/4"
PE tubing so a few extra turns wont be a problem :).
>> I just ordered the 23000uf 75V caps from http://www.electronicsurplus.com,
I'll post how they work after it all comes together.
>>
>
The one I built had about 25 turns of #1ga stranded wire around some
1.75" iron pipe. That was wrapped in a frame of 1/8" mild steel. Would
have preferred solid wire, but I had the wire. Copper pipe would have
been good (Tesla coil fans use it.) But nowadays it is expensive.

Not sure on the inductance, was about 150uh if I remember right.  I
bought a commercial one off surpluscenter and it has about 20 turns of
3mm square wire wrapped around a 2" solid core and a 0.090 steel frame.
I could barely measure nay inductance on it. Probably was all mild
steel. It was supposed to be rated for 300A.

The more inductance the better. I have been meaning to get an L/C meter
so i can measure the one in my Airco beast.

Mine has been losing the arc every few seconds. I had attributed it to
dirty brushes in the alternator. I cleaned them and it still does it. I
remember the old control board (digital) did the same. It seemed to
happen when i added the bought coil.

I think the caps reduce the arc stability as if the arc wavers the
voltage can not increase fast enough. This is what the coil will add. I
may remove one of the 23k caps and see if it is better. Ideally, i'll
wind a better coil. I'm thinking of using aluminum flashing and paper
layers soaked in epoxy. Probably 2" wide on a iron pipe core.

The large caps on mine were added to better support MIG welding. There
are huge spikes it must handle in short arc. It worked well the few
times I tried it. I may put a small cap in, maybe 4kuf and add a jumper
to connect the big caps. For arc, i think you don't want a lot of
capacitance. I think that is even more true if you don't have a control
circuit with feedback (mine does.)

Have been too busy to experiment (a "board from hell" design project.)
Will try to play more after this holiday weekend. I do want to try TIG
on it. I have finally gotten to learning TIG on my big welder and am
loving it. Just so much more control and clean. Was going to try it last
weekend, but my spare regulator broke.


--

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| Scott G. Henion| shenion@... |
|      http://shdesigns.org/Welding/     |
|Home built welder http://diy-welder.com |
------------------------------------------

--- In Amptramp@yahoogroups.com, "phayzedog" <phayzedog@...> wrote:
>
> Steve, what are the specs on your choke coil on your portawelder page?  I'm
thinking of using a larger diameter core (say, 2 or 3")for better heat
dissipation and am looking for a ballpark impedance spec.  I just came across
50' of old copper ground line in the shed and my father donated a roll of 1/4"
PE tubing so a few extra turns wont be a problem :).
> I just ordered the 23000uf 75V caps from http://www.electronicsurplus.com,
I'll post how they work after it all comes together.
>
> Bob
>

Steve, what are the specs on your choke coil on your portawelder page?  I'm
thinking of using a larger diameter core (say, 2 or 3")for better heat
dissipation and am looking for a ballpark impedance spec.  I just came across
50' of old copper ground line in the shed and my father donated a roll of 1/4"
PE tubing so a few extra turns wont be a problem :).
I just ordered the 23000uf 75V caps from http://www.electronicsurplus.com, I'll
post how they work after it all comes together.

Bob

Quote: "As to alternators, Delco usually has an internal regulatoe but that is
easily removed. My Ford/Motorcraft had an externally mouted reg that
also held the brushes. It was easy to break off th reg off the mounting
plate and use the two screws to connect to the field."
--

"I'm glad to have found out that the Dodge Van alties are not regulated- now I
can search for Dodge trucks and vans as well as Ford trucks and vans to replace
my burnt out unit! "


Beware the Ford 2G alternators, they used a "spade" plug for the BATT
connection. Ford dropped this as it caused a number of fires and a lot of
damaged harnesses. I have one and I couldnt figure out a good (simple) way to
connect the welding leads that didnt involve silver solder near a plastic
socket, or digging the leads out of the socket and tearing down the alt. The
blades of the spade connection are undersized and I think a conventional
connector would last maybe a tenth of a second under welding loads.

The Chrysler use of unregulated alts is apparently limited, I'd poke around on a
Chrysler board for models, I know the B series vans are one, *Googles*

Found this on an aftermarket alternator site:

http://www.taichiautomotive.com/product/index.asp?ClassID=0&selectMaker=&selectM\
\
odel=&selectYears=&selectEngine=&keywords=&page=580

Alternator -
Nippondenso ER/IF 120 Amp/12 Volt, CW, 2-Groove Pulley

Chyrsler 5234199, Nippondenso 121000-404, Lester 13301

(1992-90) Dodge B Series Van 3.9L, 5.2L, 5.9L
(1992-90) Dodge D Series Pickup 3.9L, 5.2L, 5.9L
(1991-90) Dodge Dakota 3.9L
(1992-90) Dodge Ramcharger 5.2L, 5.9L
(1992-90) Dodge W Series Pickup 3.9L, 5.2L, 5.9L

Also:

Chrysler 5234033, 5234199, 5234208, 5234374, 5300865, 56027221, Nippondenso
121000-404, 121000-405, 121000-407, 121000-408, 121000-413, 121000-415, Lester
13301, 13302, 13309, 13311, 13453

(1996-90) Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth 2.2L, 2.5L, 3.0L, 3.3L, 3.8L, 3.9L, 5.2L,
5.9L

I have another denso alt that has a spade connector, but as it has lower output
and didnt match the others I didnt look closely at it. I may sell it since I
need to buy more wire for the choke.

Thanks for the replies

Bob

--- In Amptramp@yahoogroups.com, Brad Stogsdill <bstogsdill1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi-
>  
> My book didnt give any details on specific alternators- just showed the
difference that regulated Alties have internal wiring to field coil (they only
have BAT GND and Ignition terminals and external regualted alties have an extra
terminal (or 2) for field coil access.
>  
> I'm glad to have found out that the Dodge Van alties are not regulated- now I
can search for Dodge trucks and vans as well as Ford trucks and vans to replace
my burnt out unit!
>  
> I had thought Dodges were typically reglated internally like GM- maybe that
is only typcial for car alternators.
>  
> Have a good day and keep us posted
>  
> Bradley
>  
>  
>  
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, phayzedog <phayzedog@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: phayzedog <phayzedog@...>
> Subject: [Amptramp] a couple more questions
> To: Amptramp@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 11:51 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Has anyone ever used compact fluorescents to charge a solar instadark welding
helmet? I don't want to leave mine outside for the 4 hr initial charge. I DO
have light fixtures with 4 27W (100W equivalent) daylight spectrum cfl's.
>
> On dual alternator setups (what the hell, I have the parts) does each alt
require it's own capacitor bank before the outputs are combined or just one
before the choke? I saw the 2x 23000 uf/75V for a single alternator.
>
> TIA
>
> Bob
>
> Just FYI:
>
> "Chrysler-app denso 120A alts 5234199 / 121000404-1.
> They appear to be unregulated (reg circuit in the car's ECU)but this is soft
information"
>
> This is now confirmed, these are unregulated and can be used as-is..3" dual
3/8 v belt pulley, look for Dodge B-series vans.
>
> Scott, I found your welder page again, amazing what I can forget...I've read
this entire board several times over the last few years.
>
> Maybe it's a good thing I forgot the choke will take another 25-30 feet of
wire :(
>
> --- In Amptramp@yahoogroup s.com, "phayzedog" <phayzedog@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Youse-all (I'm a Yankee in the South). I'm building a weldernator and
have a pair of Chrysler-app denso 120A alts 5234199 / 121000404-1.
> > They appear to be unregulated (reg circuit in the car's ECU)but this is soft
information, I have not found it explicitly stated. If anyone has an alt
database and can confirm this, it would ease my mind.
> >
> > I'm looking at using a 12-15hp mower engine with an 8" drive pulley and the
alt stock pulley that looks like 3" or more likely 75mm. Probably a 3000rpm
engine. OTOH, there's a lot of room inside the Chevy's engine compartment.
> >
> > Can I use a 2/10A battery charger to power the field windings to test or
make short welds with it? Should I put in an exciter wire?
> >
> > I saw a diagram that simply connected the welding leads to the alternator
pos/batt terminal and alt case for a ground. The field windings were run off a
battery and fused on neg, switched on pos.
> >
> > Is this a surviveable arrangement for the alternator? Should I put in an
exciter wire? (what size diode on it?)
> >
> > If I combine the outputs of both alts can I get by with 4ga cable & 200A
stinger?
> >
> > Someone mentioned wrapping the pos welding lead around an iron pipe core to
~act as a choke coil?~ to smooth the arc/ reduce spatter/ make striking an arc
easier.
> >
> > Where would I locate the core, near the alt or as close as possible to the
stinger e.g 5 feet back?
> >
> > Ok, more than a couple questions,
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Bob
> >
>

Hello all, I think this is my 1st. post here & hope it help ya Reid ck. out 
<excessiveamperage.com>{could'nt get it hyper link]They use to carry high amp.
parts Rick

Hi.

I'm rebuilding a Ford 3G alternator (130A originally) and I'd like to end up
with the most powerful one I can.  Can someone please recommend a make and/or
vendor for rebuild parts, especially stator, that will provide at least 200A,
more if possible?

I don't know if the rotor winding I have is up to the task, so any info on that
would be appreciated as well.

I know that the actual current delivery will probably not live up to the label,
and that's OK.  I also know that I need a wider belt to avoid slippage under
load with such a big unit, and I've got that handled.  I'm also using
ultra-heavy-duty external rectifiers, so I'm not worried about regulation or
rectification in the alt itself. Three-phase AC output is all I need from the
rebuilt 3G.

Thanks!

Reid

phayzedog wrote:
> Has anyone ever used compact fluorescents to charge a solar instadark welding
helmet?  I don't want to leave mine outside for the 4 hr initial charge.  I DO
have light fixtures with 4 27W (100W equivalent) daylight spectrum cfl's.
>

I used mine after an hour sitting on the bench under a shop light (2 40w
4' tubes.) No problems.

> On dual alternator setups (what the hell, I have the parts) does each alt
require it's own capacitor bank before the outputs are combined or just one
before the choke?  I saw the 2x 23000 uf/75V for a single alternator.
>

Just one set of caps is needed.

As to alternators, Delco usually has an internal regulatoe but that is
easily removed. My Ford/Motorcraft had an externally mouted reg that
also held the brushes. It was easy to break off th reg off the mounting
plate and use the two screws to connect to the field.
--

------------------------------------------
| Scott G. Henion| shenion@... |
|      http://shdesigns.org/Welding/     |
|Home built welder http://diy-welder.com |
------------------------------------------

Has anyone ever used compact fluorescents to charge a solar instadark welding
helmet?  I don't want to leave mine outside for the 4 hr initial charge.  I DO
have light fixtures with 4 27W (100W equivalent) daylight spectrum cfl's.

On dual alternator setups (what the hell, I have the parts) does each alt
require it's own capacitor bank before the outputs are combined or just one
before the choke?  I saw the 2x 23000 uf/75V for a single alternator.

TIA

Bob

Just FYI:

"Chrysler-app denso 120A alts 5234199 / 121000404-1.
  They appear to be unregulated (reg circuit in the car's ECU)but this is soft
information"

This is now confirmed, these are unregulated and can be used as-is..3" dual 3/8
v belt pulley, look for Dodge B-series vans.

Scott, I found your welder page again, amazing what I can forget...I've read
this entire board several times over the last few years.

Maybe it's a good thing I forgot the choke will take another 25-30 feet of wire
:(



--- In Amptramp@yahoogroups.com, "phayzedog" <phayzedog@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Youse-all (I'm a Yankee in the South). I'm building a weldernator and have
a pair of Chrysler-app denso 120A alts 5234199 / 121000404-1.
> They appear to be unregulated (reg circuit in the car's ECU)but this is soft
information, I have not found it explicitly stated.  If anyone has an alt
database and can confirm this, it would ease my mind.
>
> I'm looking at using a 12-15hp mower engine with an 8" drive pulley and the
alt stock pulley that looks like 3" or more likely 75mm.  Probably a 3000rpm
engine.  OTOH, there's a lot of room inside the Chevy's engine compartment.
>
> Can I use a 2/10A battery charger to power the field windings to test or make
short welds with it?  Should I put in an exciter wire?
>
> I saw a diagram that simply connected the welding leads to the alternator
pos/batt terminal and alt case for a ground.  The field windings were run off a
battery and fused on neg, switched on pos.
>
> Is this a surviveable arrangement for the alternator? Should I put in an
exciter wire? (what size diode on it?)
>
> If I combine the outputs of both alts can I get by with 4ga cable & 200A
stinger?
>
> Someone mentioned wrapping the pos welding lead around an iron pipe core to
~act as a choke coil?~ to smooth the arc/ reduce spatter/ make striking an arc
easier.
>
> Where would I locate the core, near the alt or as close as possible to the
stinger e.g 5 feet back?
>
> Ok, more than a couple questions,
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Bob
>

phayzedog wrote:
> Hi Youse-all (I'm a Yankee in the South). I'm building a weldernator and have
a pair of Chrysler-app denso 120A alts 5234199 / 121000404-1.
> They appear to be unregulated (reg circuit in the car's ECU)but this is soft
information, I have not found it explicitly stated.  If anyone has an alt
database and can confirm this, it would ease my mind.
>
> I'm looking at using a 12-15hp mower engine with an 8" drive pulley and the
alt stock pulley that looks like 3" or more likely 75mm.  Probably a 3000rpm
engine.  OTOH, there's a lot of room inside the Chevy's engine compartment.
>

I have a 15HP with a 6" pulley and a 2.5" on the alt. The 15HP does not
rev way up, probably 2500 RPM. I get about 60V with no load.

I originally had a 12HP that reved over 3k RPM.

> Can I use a 2/10A battery charger to power the field windings to test or make
short welds with it?  Should I put in an exciter wire?
>

That will work.
> I saw a diagram that simply connected the welding leads to the alternator
pos/batt terminal and alt case for a ground.  The field windings were run off a
battery and fused on neg, switched on pos.
>
> Is this a surviveable arrangement for the alternator? Should I put in an
exciter wire? (what size diode on it?)
>

It works, but it is best to have some protection from spikes,
> If I combine the outputs of both alts can I get by with 4ga cable & 200A
stinger?
>

4ga is a bit small. I used 4ga internally for connections. My leads are
bigger, 0-gauge. Those are off my big welder.

Welding wire is expensive. Regular stranded wire will break as it only
has a few conductors. I found a relatively inexpensive source for wire.
This boob-box car craze has people doing 200 amp setups in cars. I found
a supplier of automotive stereo cable off ebay. This was 1-ga and
relatively cheap. Has fine strands and is rated for high temps.

> Someone mentioned wrapping the pos welding lead around an iron pipe core to
~act as a choke coil?~ to smooth the arc/ reduce spatter/ make striking an arc
easier.
>
> Where would I locate the core, near the alt or as close as possible to the
stinger e.g 5 feet back?
>
Anywhere in the lead is fine. Can be on either the positive or negative
lead, but better on the positive as the case is grounded and any other
ground to the work would bypass the choke.

> What about using a heavy potentiometer on the lead to the field winding to
control the output?  I'm not set up for etching boards at the moment.
Each field will take about 3 amps on 12V. Will need to be a big
rheostat. Others have used a bunch of power resistors and switches to
select resistors in series or parallel.

--
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| Scott G. Henion| shenion@... |
|   Consultant   |   Stone Mountain, GA  |
|   SHDesigns http://www.shdesigns.org   |
------------------------------------------

today's fortune
Just because everything is different doesn't mean anything has changed.
		 -- Irene Peter

What about using a heavy potentiometer on the lead to the field winding to
control the output?  I'm not set up for etching boards at the moment.

TIA again,

Bob

Hi Youse-all (I'm a Yankee in the South). I'm building a weldernator and have a
pair of Chrysler-app denso 120A alts 5234199 / 121000404-1.
They appear to be unregulated (reg circuit in the car's ECU)but this is soft
information, I have not found it explicitly stated.  If anyone has an alt
database and can confirm this, it would ease my mind.

I'm looking at using a 12-15hp mower engine with an 8" drive pulley and the alt
stock pulley that looks like 3" or more likely 75mm.  Probably a 3000rpm engine.
OTOH, there's a lot of room inside the Chevy's engine compartment.

Can I use a 2/10A battery charger to power the field windings to test or make
short welds with it?  Should I put in an exciter wire?

I saw a diagram that simply connected the welding leads to the alternator
pos/batt terminal and alt case for a ground.  The field windings were run off a
battery and fused on neg, switched on pos.

Is this a surviveable arrangement for the alternator? Should I put in an exciter
wire? (what size diode on it?)

If I combine the outputs of both alts can I get by with 4ga cable & 200A
stinger?

Someone mentioned wrapping the pos welding lead around an iron pipe core to ~act
as a choke coil?~ to smooth the arc/ reduce spatter/ make striking an arc
easier.

Where would I locate the core, near the alt or as close as possible to the
stinger e.g 5 feet back?

Ok, more than a couple questions,

Thanks in advance.

Bob

Steven wrote:
> Howdy Brad,
>
> Must be a spot of bad luck, as these things seem to be as tough as old boots.
> Mine have been great, since day 1. They have given faultless service for
nearly 10 years in the Amptramp  :).
> Sadly, one did fall apart, as the screws that hold it together have worked
loose  :( .
>
I have seen that on rebuilt alternators. Had a buddy with a Ford Taurus
that went through 4 alternators (real hot under that hood.) The one I
replaced, all the screws had come out.

Part of the problem was a bad crimp in the batt lead. It overheated the
terminal and diode pack.

My welder has been mostly sitting. I will try TIG on it this weekend.
Should be lots of fun ;)

--
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| Scott G. Henion| shenion@... |
|   Consultant   |   Stone Mountain, GA  |
|   SHDesigns http://www.shdesigns.org   |
------------------------------------------

today's fortune
"I thought that you said you were 20 years old!"
"As a programmer, yes," she replied,
"And you claimed to be very near two meters tall!"
"You said you were blonde, but you lied!"
Oh, she was a hacker and he was one, too,
They had so much in common, you'd say.
They exchanged jokes and poems, and clever new hacks,
And prompts that were cute or risque'.
He sent her a picture of his brother Sam,
She sent one from some past high school day,
And it might have gone on for the rest of their lives,
If they hadn't met in L.A.
"Your beard is an armpit," she said in disgust.
He answered, "Your armpit's a beard!"
And they chorused: "I think I could stand all the rest
If you were not so totally weird!"
If she had not said what he wanted to hear,
And he had not done just the same,
They'd have been far more honest, and never have met,
And would not have had fun with the game.
		 -- Judith Schrier, "Face to Face After Six Months of
		 Electronic Mail"

Howdy Brad,

Hmmm, I wonder if you could make a new set of teeth for me. I'm toothless, but
can still pack away a feed at my favourtite Scottish restaurant (McDonalds)  ;)
.
So, you managed to fry an alternator. Crikey!
Must be a spot of bad luck, as these things seem to be as tough as old boots.
Mine have been great, since day 1. They have given faultless service for nearly
10 years in the Amptramp  :).
Sadly, one did fall apart, as the screws that hold it together have worked loose
:( .

Now, I would love to have seen the look on your face as you pulled that water
line out of the ground. Do you reckon you could do it again, for the camera this
time  :) .
It would make for a great desktop image on the computer  ;) .


The Amptramp has clocked up more than 8500 hours, and is in need of some fixin'.
The water pump is about to fly apart, an alternator has broken open, the
metering pump is leaking, there is an oil leak around the rocker cover, the 6KVA
generator has a loose rear mount, the radiator is leaking, my goat has eaten the
top off the radio antenna, someone stole the fluffy dice - and there is bird
poop on the driving seat. Eeeewww!
Yup, bits are flying off in all directions, but it's still up and running  :) .


Best wishes,
Steve McAmptramp.



--- In Amptramp@yahoogroups.com, Brad Stogsdill <bstogsdill1@...> wrote:
>
> How yall been?
>  
> I been busy and under the weather a bit but looking up .. did I tell yall I
welded teeth on my tractor blade?  Fifteen 5/8 rebar  teeth and I think I
toasted one alternator on teh 13th tooth... should have given a rest but any way
I can get another alternator fro $20 then the toasted one will get hi powered
diodes.  I did notice my 3/32 rod was getting pretty warm and baked looking by
the time I got down to the ends...presently off on trying to rebuild a
lathe....and the remaining  alternator  will do small welds....
>  
>  
> Oh yeah, the teeth worked greeat- I dug up a city water line with my blade and
it was most fun I had since I dont know when....I am now famous in my neigbor
hood as the "idiot" who broke the water lines!   They needed to be moved lower
anyway, they would have frooze this coming winter....
>  
> Have a good one!
> Bradley
>
> --- On Thu, 10/29/09, Steven <amptramp@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Steven <amptramp@...>
> Subject: [Amptramp] Re: Hey, I found something interesting.....
> To: Amptramp@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 3:03 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Howdee Bradley,
>
> Hehehehe.
> Put a camera on your new android, as I'd pay to watch the resulting video.
> Poor terminator, he doesn't stand a chance ;) .
> With an electrode jammed in the right place, the terminator will have a
serious case of arc-eye.
> Ouch!!
>
> Best wishes,
> Steve McAmptramp.
>
> --- In Amptramp@yahoogroup s.com, Brad Stogsdill <bstogsdill1@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve-
> >  
> > Your wrong!
> >  
> > Anthony must have hacked my PC- I have a great plan to unveil Artificially
Intelligent Welderna tor Mark 4 Android in 2012!  
> >  
> > Will send him to future to poke out Termintors Evil Red eyes with a big
welding stick and save mankind and convert Terminator into a multi-machine!
> >  
> > Regards,
> > Bradley 
> >  
> >  
> >
> > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Steve Spence <steve@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Steve Spence <steve@>
> > Subject: Re: [Amptramp] Hey, I found something interesting. ....
> > To: Amptramp@yahoogroup s.com
> > Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:40 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > There is no "2012 stuff" that's even remotely on topic. It's only
> > interesting if you are into fiction.
> >
> > Steve Spence
> > Renewable energy and self sufficiency
> > http://www.green- trust.org
> > http://makingtheweb work.blogspot. com/
> >
> > jerry jones wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe this 2012 stuff is of some interest to members of our group.
> > > Mayans, Hopis, even Nostradamus have some sort of prophecy pertaining to
> > > 2012. Just visit http://cycles. cc/2012.htm <http://cycles. cc/2012.htm>
> > > for more on this.
> > > thanks
> > > anthony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Because all the prophecy nuts and religious whackjobs have finally
taken total leave of their senses and post this sort of thing on
literally every discussion group they can find.  Their brains were
raptured but their bodies were left behind.

dogoman2008 wrote:
> Can someone tell me just what this rubbish has to do with the AmpTramp? Any
why it is in fact being posted at all???
>
> --- In Amptramp@yahoogroups.com, Steve Spence <steve@...> wrote:
>> ooh, I can't wait ;-)
>>
>> Steve Spence
>> Renewable energy and self sufficiency
>> http://www.green-trust.org
>> http://makingthewebwork.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Brad Stogsdill wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Steve-
>>>
>>> Your wrong!
>>>
>>> Anthony must have hacked my PC- I have a great plan to
>>> unveil Artificially Intelligent Weldernator Mark 4 Android in 2012!
>>>
>>> Will send him to future to poke out Termintors Evil Red eyes with a big
>>> welding stick and save mankind and convert Terminator into a multi-machine!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Bradley
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Fri, 10/16/09, Steve Spence /<steve@...>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>     From: Steve Spence <steve@...>
>>>     Subject: Re: [Amptramp] Hey, I found something interesting.....
>>>     To: Amptramp@yahoogroups.com
>>>     Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:40 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>     There is no "2012 stuff" that's even remotely on topic. It's only
>>>     interesting if you are into fiction.
>>>
>>>     Steve Spence
>>>     Renewable energy and self sufficiency
>>>     http://www.green- trust.org <http://www.green-trust.org/>
>>>     http://makingtheweb work.blogspot. com/
>>>     <http://makingthewebwork.blogspot.com/>
>>>
>>>     jerry jones wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > Maybe this 2012 stuff is of some interest to members of our group.
>>>     > Mayans, Hopis, even Nostradamus have some sort of prophecy
>>>     pertaining to
>>>     > 2012. Just visit http://cycles. cc/2012.htm
>>>     <http://cycles.cc/2012.htm> <http://cycles. cc/2012.htm
>>>     <http://cycles.cc/2012.htm>>
>>>     > for more on this.
>>>     > thanks
>>>     > anthony
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------

Jason wrote:
>
> --- In Amptramp@yahoogroups.com, jerry jones <cyclestech11@...> wrote:
>> Maybe this 2012 stuff is of some interest to members of our group.  Mayans,
Hopis, even Nostradamus have some sort of prophecy pertaining to 2012.  Just
visit http://cycles.cc/2012.htm for more on this.
>> thanks
>> anthony
>>
>
> And after 2012 what year did Nostradamus predict the world ending next? I
would think you prophecy morons would eventually figure out that Nostradamus was
a psychotic drunk who couldn't predict crap.1999,2000,2002 and now 2012, whats
next? And what does any of it have to do with welding?

Someone put the banHammer on Nostra-Dumb-Ass.

--- In Amptramp@yahoogroups.com, jerry jones <cyclestech11@...> wrote:
>
> Maybe this 2012 stuff is of some interest to members of our group.  Mayans,
Hopis, even Nostradamus have some sort of prophecy pertaining to 2012.  Just
visit http://cycles.cc/2012.htm for more on this.
> thanks
> anthony
>

And after 2012 what year did Nostradamus predict the world ending next? I would
think you prophecy morons would eventually figure out that Nostradamus was a
psychotic drunk who couldn't predict crap.1999,2000,2002 and now 2012, whats
next? And what does any of it have to do with welding?

Howdee Bradley,

Hehehehe.
Put a camera on your new android, as I'd pay to watch the resulting video.
Poor terminator, he doesn't stand a chance  ;) .
With an electrode jammed in the right place, the terminator will have a serious
case of arc-eye.
Ouch!!


Best wishes,
Steve McAmptramp.


--- In Amptramp@yahoogroups.com, Brad Stogsdill <bstogsdill1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve-
>  
> Your wrong!
>  
> Anthony must have hacked my PC- I have a great plan to unveil Artificially
Intelligent Weldernator Mark 4 Android in 2012!  
>  
> Will send him to future to poke out Termintors Evil Red eyes with a big
welding stick and save mankind and convert Terminator into a multi-machine!
>  
> Regards,
> Bradley 
>  
>  
>
> --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Steve Spence <steve@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Steve Spence <steve@...>
> Subject: Re: [Amptramp] Hey, I found something interesting.....
> To: Amptramp@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:40 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> There is no "2012 stuff" that's even remotely on topic. It's only
> interesting if you are into fiction.
>
> Steve Spence
> Renewable energy and self sufficiency
> http://www.green- trust.org
> http://makingtheweb work.blogspot. com/
>
> jerry jones wrote:
> >
> >
> > Maybe this 2012 stuff is of some interest to members of our group.
> > Mayans, Hopis, even Nostradamus have some sort of prophecy pertaining to
> > 2012. Just visit http://cycles. cc/2012.htm <http://cycles. cc/2012.htm>
> > for more on this.
> > thanks
> > anthony
> >
> >
> >
>

Can someone tell me just what this rubbish has to do with the AmpTramp? Any why
it is in fact being posted at all???

--- In Amptramp@yahoogroups.com, Steve Spence <steve@...> wrote:
>
> ooh, I can't wait ;-)
>
> Steve Spence
> Renewable energy and self sufficiency
> http://www.green-trust.org
> http://makingthewebwork.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> Brad Stogsdill wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Steve-
> >
> > Your wrong!
> >
> > Anthony must have hacked my PC- I have a great plan to
> > unveil Artificially Intelligent Weldernator Mark 4 Android in 2012!
> >
> > Will send him to future to poke out Termintors Evil Red eyes with a big
> > welding stick and save mankind and convert Terminator into a multi-machine!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bradley
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On *Fri, 10/16/09, Steve Spence /<steve@...>/* wrote:
> >
> >
> >     From: Steve Spence <steve@...>
> >     Subject: Re: [Amptramp] Hey, I found something interesting.....
> >     To: Amptramp@yahoogroups.com
> >     Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:40 PM
> >
> >
> >     There is no "2012 stuff" that's even remotely on topic. It's only
> >     interesting if you are into fiction.
> >
> >     Steve Spence
> >     Renewable energy and self sufficiency
> >     http://www.green- trust.org <http://www.green-trust.org/>
> >     http://makingtheweb work.blogspot. com/
> >     <http://makingthewebwork.blogspot.com/>
> >
> >     jerry jones wrote:
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > Maybe this 2012 stuff is of some interest to members of our group.
> >     > Mayans, Hopis, even Nostradamus have some sort of prophecy
> >     pertaining to
> >     > 2012. Just visit http://cycles. cc/2012.htm
> >     <http://cycles.cc/2012.htm> <http://cycles. cc/2012.htm
> >     <http://cycles.cc/2012.htm>>
> >     > for more on this.
> >     > thanks
> >     > anthony
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >
> >
> >
>

ooh, I can't wait ;-)

Steve Spence
Renewable energy and self sufficiency
http://www.green-trust.org
http://makingthewebwork.blogspot.com/




Brad Stogsdill wrote:
>
>
> Hi Steve-
>
> Your wrong!
>
> Anthony must have hacked my PC- I have a great plan to
> unveil Artificially Intelligent Weldernator Mark 4 Android in 2012!
>
> Will send him to future to poke out Termintors Evil Red eyes with a big
> welding stick and save mankind and convert Terminator into a multi-machine!
>
> Regards,
> Bradley
>
>
>
> --- On *Fri, 10/16/09, Steve Spence /<steve@...>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Steve Spence <steve@...>
>     Subject: Re: [Amptramp] Hey, I found something interesting.....
>     To: Amptramp@yahoogroups.com
>     Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:40 PM
>
>
>     There is no "2012 stuff" that's even remotely on topic. It's only
>     interesting if you are into fiction.
>
>     Steve Spence
>     Renewable energy and self sufficiency
>     http://www.green- trust.org <http://www.green-trust.org/>
>     http://makingtheweb work.blogspot. com/
>     <http://makingthewebwork.blogspot.com/>
>
>     jerry jones wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     > Maybe this 2012 stuff is of some interest to members of our group.
>     > Mayans, Hopis, even Nostradamus have some sort of prophecy
>     pertaining to
>     > 2012. Just visit http://cycles. cc/2012.htm
>     <http://cycles.cc/2012.htm> <http://cycles. cc/2012.htm
>     <http://cycles.cc/2012.htm>>
>     > for more on this.
>     > thanks
>     > anthony
>     >
>     >
>     >
>
>
>

Howdy Steve,


Wow, great stuff!
Anyone seeing the first video, is naturally inclined to view a lot of the others
that are hosted on youtube.
There are some fascinating works out there. Certain ones where a tractor is
being operated from the Biomass gases are really quite awe inspiring.
I suspect that your 'green-trust' website has urged a host of creative souls all
over the world to duplicate this grand technology.

Now, how might I build an Amptramp that operates on Biomass   :) .


Best wishes,
Steve McAmptramp.


--- In Amptramp@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Spence" <steve@...> wrote:
>
> Make a clean burning fuel for running an engine and heating from the
> gasification of wood waste. See the video and read more at
>
>
http://www.green-trust.org/wordpress/2009/10/03/wood-gasifiers-hydrogen-and-co-f\
rom-biomass/
>