It's just kind of frustrating, though...that technically the copyright is
automatic, but when it comes down to legal action it doesn't seem to do
much good.  *sigh*   I will also look into the ideas that Raven mentioned
for the future too.

This situation does mean that some of the stuff that I am working on now
will indeed be better protected because it will be for a larger project.


But not sure about this situation....I am waiting to hear back from one
of the others who had part of hir Pictish article posted there too (the
other's url no longer works) to see if we can pool some ideas and/or
resources.  We'll see.

thanks,
Kym

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 17:01:11 -0000 "Michael Small"
<eumelosdrizzle@...> writes:
>
> Well if it makes you feel any better, copyrights are the only things
>
> you don't technically HAVE to apply for... they belong to you by
> default so if it ever came down to it, someone would have to try to
>
> prove you wrong.  Having an officially registered copyright just
> makes that extremely unlikely.
>
> I think the 'mailing to yourself' thing can work (thats what I
> always used to think it was done)... but apparently its only
> slightly better than just having your default copyright by virtue of
>
> being the writer.
>
> I hope you have some luck with all of this...


~~I trust horses as far as they can throw people, likewise I trust people
as far as they can throw horses~~

Dùn Sgàthan http://www.cyberpict.net/  ---Scottish Reconstructionism,
homesteading, hounds, horse, writings, tattoos, ....
Caithream!  http://uathach.tripod.com/ ---Pagan women warriors
WWSD? http://www.livejournal.com/users/cyberpict/ ---my LiveJournal

Heya --

Quoth Michael Small (Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 05:01:11PM -0000):
> I think the 'mailing to yourself' thing can work (thats what I
> always used to think it was done)... but apparently its only
> slightly better than just having your default copyright by virtue of
> being the writer.

	 One thing that might help some -- not so much with work already
in existence, but with new work -- get third-party validation of the
work and the dates of its creation.  For the low-tech solution... when
you're done it, take it to a notary and have them notarize the work and
a page saying that you're the author, and sign that statement in front
of them.  A bit of a PITA, but usually quite low cost and should hold
some weight in court.

	 For the high tech version -- mail whatever you want stamped and
notarized to clear@... -- it's a free service that
will reply to your message with the original message you send it, a
timestamp, and a digital signature over the whole thing.  It's like a
notary for the Internet.  The courtroom validity of digital signatures
and their legal ramifications is still being thrashed out in various
jurisdictions, but... it can't *hurt*, and may very well help.

	 The other thing I would suggest is to post some sort of legal
licensing statement or copyright notice on every page that has your
writing on it.  I do (mine's under the GPL, which I think is not what
most people on this list would want, but you can substitute text that is
more to your liking).  For my site, I use an HTML footer that gets
automatically appended to every page.  I vary it for one directory (my
personal trip writeups about my life may not be copied, linked to, or
distributed, while all other content on the site is free to anyone so
long as credit is given).

	 Hope that helps!

Cheers,
Raven

Well if it makes you feel any better, copyrights are the only things
you don't technically HAVE to apply for... they belong to you by
default so if it ever came down to it, someone would have to try to
prove you wrong.  Having an officially registered copyright just
makes that extremely unlikely.

I think the 'mailing to yourself' thing can work (thats what I
always used to think it was done)... but apparently its only
slightly better than just having your default copyright by virtue of
being the writer.

I hope you have some luck with all of this...

--- In Anti-Plagiarism@yahoogroups.com, Kym n€  í Dhoireann
<uathach9@j...> wrote:
> *sigh*  Yeah the US has that but it's also prohibitivly expensive
and
> hence something I've not done.
>
> I'm feeling more and more worried about being able to do anything
about
> this. I'd take down all my writing but then the only version will
be the
> stolen one where I sound like a racist if I can't get that
removed.
> *headdesk*
>
> On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:47:15 -0400 (EDT) "Michael J. Small"
> <eumelosdrizzle@y...> writes:
> Actually thats not a really reliable way to protect yourself -- I
get
> calls about this sort of thing at work all the time.  I'm not sure
about
> the USA (I live in Canada), but in Canada you can apply to the
> Intellectual Property office for a copyright on your work.  It'll
be
> recognized internationally due to various international agreements
as
> well.  Thats the only sure way to have your copyright stand up in
court.
> Again, only in Canada, but the method seems to be you apply and
agree to
> have it published in the National library (so its on file) and you
get
> the Copyright for your lifetime and that of your surviving heirs.
>
> Here's a link:
>
> http://strategis.gc.ca/sc_mrksv/cipo/cp/cp_main-e.html
>
> and in the US:
>
> http://www.copyright.gov/
>
> Dunno if that will help you...
>
>
> "In battle meddle not with a buffoon, for, O mac Luga, he is but a
fool."
>
> Maxims of the Fianna
>
> ~~I trust horses as far as they can throw people, likewise I trust
people
> as far as they can throw horses~~
>
> Dùn Sgàthan http://www.cyberpict.net/  ---Scottish
Reconstructionism,
> homesteading, hounds, horse, writings, tattoos, ....
> Caithream!  http://uathach.tripod.com/ ---Pagan women warriors
> WWSD? http://www.livejournal.com/users/cyberpict/ ---my LiveJournal

Actually thats not a really reliable way to protect yourself -- I get calls about this sort of thing at work all the time.  I'm not sure about the USA (I live in Canada), but in Canada you can apply to the Intellectual Property office for a copyright on your work.  It'll be recognized internationally due to various international agreements as well.  Thats the only sure way to have your copyright stand up in court.  Again, only in Canada, but the method seems to be you apply and agree to have it published in the National library (so its on file) and you get the Copyright for your lifetime and that of your surviving heirs.

 

Here's a link:

 

http://strategis.gc.ca/sc_mrksv/cipo/cp/cp_main-e.html

 

and in the US:

 

http://www.copyright.gov/

 

Dunno if that will help you...

"In battle meddle not with a buffoon, for, O mac Luga, he is but a fool."

Maxims of the Fianna

----- Original Message -----

From: Erynn

To: Anti-Plagiarism@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:34 PM

Subject: Re: [Anti-Plagiarism] When you get linked to by dodgy websites

So this goes on your page(s), or on the page that you're linked from?
I'm no sure I understand.

Can you show an example here, about placement, and tell me how it
works? I'm a real novice at the whole html thing, despite the fact
I've coded my own webpage. Is "stormfront" a particular code, or is
that a placeholder for your filename?


Oh -- another question. Did the website that had lifted my Cauldron
of Poesy stuff ever remove it? I remember Kym(?) had written to the
folks running the isp where the offending site was hosted. I can't
remember what the hell was going on anyway.

*sigh*

>Yep thats right needs to be within the script tags. It's a good idea to have
>before any other javascript so it just re-directs straight away.
>
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>From: "kathryn price theatana" <kathryn_theatana@...>
>To: <Anti-Plagiarism@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 8:14 PM
>Subject: Re: [Anti-Plagiarism] When you get linked to by dodgy websites
>
>
>>
>>  This is fabulous, John!  Where does it go on the page?
>>   Up at the top with all the other javascript thingies?
>>
>>  -k
>>
>>  --- John Harding <john@...> wrote:
>>  > if (document.referrer.match("stormfront") ==
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So this goes on your page(s), or on the page that you're linked from?
I'm no sure I understand.

Can you show an example here, about placement, and tell me how it
works? I'm a real novice at the whole html thing, despite the fact
I've coded my own webpage. Is "stormfront" a particular code, or is
that a placeholder for your filename?


Oh -- another question. Did the website that had lifted my Cauldron
of Poesy stuff ever remove it? I remember Kym(?) had written to the
folks running the isp where the offending site was hosted. I can't
remember what the hell was going on anyway.

*sigh*

>Yep thats right needs to be within the script tags. It's a good idea to have
>before any other javascript so it just re-directs straight away.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "kathryn price theatana" <kathryn_theatana@...>
>To: <Anti-Plagiarism@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 8:14 PM
>Subject: Re: [Anti-Plagiarism] When you get linked to by dodgy websites
>
>
>>
>>  This is fabulous, John!  Where does it go on the page?
>>   Up at the top with all the other javascript thingies?
>>
>>  -k
>>
>>  --- John Harding <john@...> wrote:
>>  > if (document.referrer.match("stormfront") ==
>>  > "stormfront")
>>  >
>>  > {
>>  >
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>>  >
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--- John Harding <john@...> wrote:

>  You can capture the right click
> event with javascript and then re-direct the browser
> to a copyright page.

I would love the script for this.  I've had images
lifted before.  And while a normal click on your
photos on my site will take people to your site, I
want to prevent them from stealing your photos from my
site as well.

-k


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--- Kym ní Dhoireann <uathach9@...> wrote:
> Unfortuantely, this article was not hard published
> and I didn't mail it
> to myself

Doing more research on copyright lately, I've been
hearing that the "mailing it to yourself" thing is
actually not very reliable.  Some believe it's just
too easy to fake.  Also, it only works for one
instance of proof.

> I may have to find a good copyright
> lawyer who might want
> to work cheap for a chance to go up against racists.

antiracist.com may be a good resource for this.  Also
the Southern Poverty Law Center.

-k

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----- Original Message -----

From: Kym ní Dhoireann

To: Anti-Plagiarism@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 8:31 PM

Subject: Re: [Anti-Plagiarism] When you get linked to by dodgy websites

H John,

 

That is nifty and I will have to squirrel this away for such occasions. In this particular instance, because it's part of the article rather than just a link and because it makes me look racist I'd much prefer it if people DID come to my site from there...to see the difference.  It seems, however, that no one has since I put the Nedstat on it a few months ago so I suppose I lose either way.  *sigh*  I am thinking, if they don't remove it (and I doubt they will) that I will make a comment about "if you came from Stormfront..." and a "Heathens against Hate" button on the page.  ~;)

beannachdan,

Kym

 

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:06:53 +0100 "John Harding" <john@...> writes:

I can't really help with the wholesale lifting of articles but I thought people might like to know about a little trick you can do to re-direct links from dodgy sites that link to you.

This piece of javascript will detect where the referring link comes from and then if it meet your criteria you can re-direct to an appropriate site. e.g

if (document.referrer.match("stormfront") == "stormfront")

{

window.location = 'http://www.antiracist.com/';

}

Thought this might be of some help anyway.

John

 

 

At this point I have actually written a polite (again I think I'm going
to be sick) email to the poster (I think...I used a website that is
supposed to be his) asking that it be removed.  Just based on copyright
concerns.  Figure that he MIGHT be a little more receptive if that was
the only issue brought up.  No response so far.  Don't really expect one
but I figured I had to try that first.   After that I'm not sure...I
didn't find the contact info for the host of the board...several links on
this would shut down my browser so....   Makes me want to be on it even
less than I want to be on it already.  Not sure what manner can be used
for a shutdown of this board...it's hosted on their site, I doubt anyone
who would sell them bandwidth is going to be too worried about ethics...I
could see this easily becoming a legal matter. Which it may have to.
Unfortuantely, this article was not hard published and I didn't mail it
to myself ...because this was posted long before I was THIS worried about
such things.   I may have to find a good copyright lawyer who might want
to work cheap for a chance to go up against racists.

In the mean time, if I find the board host's email I might ask again and
this time mention that I'm mixed race (which is sort of true...although
hardly enough for me to ever feel actually comfortable claiming to have
First Nation ancestry in most situations) and point out what was left out
so that they realize they are pointing to an anti-racism statement.

*sigh*

beannachdan,
Kym


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Yep thats right needs to be within the script tags. It's a good idea to have
before any other javascript so it just re-directs straight away.

----- Original Message -----
From: "kathryn price theatana" <kathryn_theatana@...>
To: <Anti-Plagiarism@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Anti-Plagiarism] When you get linked to by dodgy websites


>
> This is fabulous, John!  Where does it go on the page?
>  Up at the top with all the other javascript thingies?
>
> -k
>
> --- John Harding <john@...> wrote:
> > if (document.referrer.match("stormfront") ==
> > "stormfront")
> >
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> >
> > window.location = 'http://www.antiracist.com/';
> >
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This is fabulous, John!  Where does it go on the page?
  Up at the top with all the other javascript thingies?

-k

--- John Harding <john@...> wrote:
> if (document.referrer.match("stormfront") ==
> "stormfront")
>
> {
>
> window.location = 'http://www.antiracist.com/';
>
> }


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If you would like to see this in action.....
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=122747&page=3
Has a link to my website near the bottom www.sheelanagig.org
Try cliking on it from the website and you should get re-directed to
www.antiracist.com
(well as long as you have javascript enabled)

Hope this is of some help.
John

This is hideous.  OK, you can use the usual procedures
and try to get their board shut down.  Or, if you just
want to get your name off there as quickly as
possible, threaten them with shutdown.  Maybe you can
tell them you're actually Black or something.  Gak!!!


>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Kym ní Dhoireann

>
href="http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:eBlOdyi_XzUJ:www.stormfront.or
>   g/archive/t-25924+kym+dhoireann&hl=en">this </a>
> is not one of them.
>   Please note that they cut out the shit about
> "race" being a fake concept,
>   so that in this version I actually sound like a
> fucking racist too!
>
>   And I can't imagine that, should I be able to find
> the person to contact
>   to have this removed, they will be cooperative.  I
> am at a loss. A loss
>   made greater by the fact that every single time I
> try to go to the
>   "posting guidelines" (as a start to see what they
> do or don't say about
>   copyright) it screws my browser and I lose it.  I
> don't dare try to go to
>   any other links on this site. I am thinking maybe
> I should do a check on
>   my computer?  I dont' know...it seems freaky that
> that link causes my
>   browser to shut down.
>
>   I can't even think about what to do....I need to
> get offline and think.
>   Or try not to think.  Any advice on how to
> approach this is appreciated.
>   Remember I have absolutely no money, so I'm a bit
> daunted about
>   approaching this legally.
>
>   Kym
>
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> likewise I trust people
>   as far as they can throw horses~~
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Kym ní Dhoireann

To: Anti-Plagiarism@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:21 PM

Subject: [Anti-Plagiarism] I think I'm going to be ill....

Okay, so I'm already not feeling so hot which is why I was bored and
doing a "vanity search."  Always a bad idea.
Of all the sites that I'd want to find my stolen writing <a
href="http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:eBlOdyi_XzUJ:www.stormfront.or
g/archive/t-25924+kym+dhoireann&hl=en">this </a> is not one of them. 
Please note that they cut out the shit about "race" being a fake concept,
so that in this version I actually sound like a fucking racist too!   

And I can't imagine that, should I be able to find the person to contact
to have this removed, they will be cooperative.  I am at a loss. A loss
made greater by the fact that every single time I try to go to the
"posting guidelines" (as a start to see what they do or don't say about
copyright) it screws my browser and I lose it.  I don't dare try to go to
any other links on this site. I am thinking maybe I should do a check on
my computer?  I dont' know...it seems freaky that that link causes my
browser to shut down.  

I can't even think about what to do....I need to get offline and think.
Or try not to think.  Any advice on how to approach this is appreciated.
Remember I have absolutely no money, so I'm a bit daunted about
approaching this legally.

Kym

~~I trust horses as far as they can throw people, likewise I trust people
as far as they can throw horses~~

Dùn Sgàthan http://www.cyberpict.net/  ---Scottish Reconstructionism,
homesteading, hounds, horse, writings, tattoos, ....
Caithream!  http://uathach.tripod.com/ ---Pagan women warriors
WWSD? http://www.livejournal.com/users/cyberpict/ ---my LiveJournal

Okay, so I'm already not feeling so hot which is why I was bored and
doing a "vanity search."  Always a bad idea.
Of all the sites that I'd want to find my stolen writing <a
href="http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:eBlOdyi_XzUJ:www.stormfront.or
g/archive/t-25924+kym+dhoireann&hl=en">this </a> is not one of them.
Please note that they cut out the shit about "race" being a fake concept,
so that in this version I actually sound like a fucking racist too!

And I can't imagine that, should I be able to find the person to contact
to have this removed, they will be cooperative.  I am at a loss. A loss
made greater by the fact that every single time I try to go to the
"posting guidelines" (as a start to see what they do or don't say about
copyright) it screws my browser and I lose it.  I don't dare try to go to
any other links on this site. I am thinking maybe I should do a check on
my computer?  I dont' know...it seems freaky that that link causes my
browser to shut down.

I can't even think about what to do....I need to get offline and think.
Or try not to think.  Any advice on how to approach this is appreciated.
  Remember I have absolutely no money, so I'm a bit daunted about
approaching this legally.

Kym

~~I trust horses as far as they can throw people, likewise I trust people
as far as they can throw horses~~

Dùn Sgàthan http://www.cyberpict.net/  ---Scottish Reconstructionism,
homesteading, hounds, horse, writings, tattoos, ....
Caithream!  http://uathach.tripod.com/ ---Pagan women warriors
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Kathryn said:

>As far as I'm concerned, a month with no reply means these guys
>deserve to have their whole site and anything else on Angelfire/Lycos
>erased.
>
>I have forwarded your original letter to the TOS legal team, and also
>reported it on their abuse form on Angelfire's main site, noting that
>you've been trying to contact these guys for over a month, they are
>in violation, and you want the pages taken down.

Woo hoo! Thanks!

Oh, and this Judi person -- she said she WASN'T plagarizing? What
fucking planet is she on?

--
Erynn
Poet-terrorist for a better society
Articulating the Unspeakable since 1961: http://www.seanet.com/~inisglas

The previous message is my response to Ms. Singleton.
She alternately denies commiting "plagerism", then
says she "never claimed to write this article."  And
"Watch who you are accusing of plagerism.
You might get some legal action."

Well.  Some other authors she stole from have been
contacted as well.  Ms. Singleton has replied with
hostility, denial and threats.  My opinion is that if
none of the stolen articles are down within a week,
her site goes.

This is an extra-egregious case, as she's charging
money for these cut-and-paste things, and/or declaring
them "free content" as long as she is credited as the
author and copyright holder.  Astonishing.

-Kathryn

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Unless otherwise noted, all content is
copyright ©2004 Kathryn Price Theatana
(Caitríona NicDhàna)
for Nemed Art-Ré / Moonstone Circle
and The River House
personal mail: kathryn@...
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.

But Judi, you are a plagiarist.  That's what it means
when you steal chunks of text without permission or
credit.  Look the word up if you don't believe me.

Check out this link
http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html if you
do not understand copyright laws.

In your e-mail to me you deny claiming authorship of
the Sheela article.  Yet on the page itself appears:
"Sheela-na-gig
Author: Judi Singleton
Subject: Goddess Gospel
Published: March 6th 2004"

and at the bottom of the page, this notice:
"all contents including backgrounds, artwork and
photos except where otherwise noted are ©2003
Jassmine.com"

You say the article is "just the archive of your
e-zine".  Just?  So this means you have not only
published these things on the web without permission
or credit, you have already mailed them out to your
subscribers and made money off the stolen work of
others.

You have no grounds to sue.  The authors you've ripped
off, however, do.  I reiterate my former statement -
stop doing this, take the stolen materials down, or
your site will be shut down.  While you're at it, an
apology to those you've stolen from would be
appreciated as well.

If you enjoy the work of these authors and want to
share it, post links to their pages.  Praise their
work and use your own words to tell others what it
means to you.  This is acceptable and welcome.  But
pretending their words are your own is not.

Sincerely,

Kathryn Price Theatana
for the Anti-Plagiarism Group

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that illuminate every darkness:
Truth, Nature, Knowledge."

Unless otherwise noted, all content is
copyright ©2004 Kathryn Price Theatana
(Caitríona NicDhàna)
for Nemed Art-Ré / Moonstone Circle
and The River House
personal mail: kathryn@...
lists: kathryn_theatana@...
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.

So, I was about to look up the host/server for this woman's domains,
and decided to write her first.  This is what I e-mailed her, via
her "contact" link on her website
http://www.motherearthpublishing.com/contact.shtml , and posted here
http://www.byjassmine.com/archives/00000028.shtml#comments in her
blog.

>>>
I am deeply troubled that you are plagiarizing the works of others,
claiming credit for these works and then either offering them for
sale on your website or as "free content."  Don't you realize this is
illegal?

For instance,
http://www.motherearthpublishing.com/freecontent/article.php?id=195
is made up *entirely* of content stolen from The Goddess House, JBL,
John Harding and Tara McLoughlin.  Like many of the articles on your
site, it consists completely of cut-and-paste internet theft. You did
not write this article.  Yet you have named yourself the author, and
tried to claim copyright.  This is a crime.

Your thefts have been reported to the authors from whom you have
stolen, and notice has been posted to a group that is fighting
internet plagiarism.  If you don't remove the many plagiarized works
from your site, your server will be contacted and your site shut
down.  The many authors from whom you've stolen also have the right
to take legal action against you and may well do so.

Sincerely,

Kathryn Price Theatana
for the Anti-Plagiarism Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Anti-Plagiarism/

P.S. If you need your memory refreshed about from where you
stole "your" Sheela article:
The Goddess House catalogue: http://64.233.167.104/search?
q=cache:ywMkMNhj_DcJ:www.users.on.net/rfarrow/g_sheela.html+%
22She+is+inspired+by+the+numerous+Sheela-na-gig+plaques+dotting%
22&hl=en

The JBL Catalogue: http://jblstatue.com/pages/sheela_na_gig.html

John Harding's Megalithica:
http://www.jharding.demon.co.uk/index.htm#http://www.jharding.demon.co
.uk/SheelaNaGigIndex.htm

and Tara's Sheela Website:
http://www.members.tripod.com/~taramc/myths.html
<<<

So, we'll see what happens.  Anyone else who wants to write her, go
for it.  If she doesn't comply quickly, we contact her server.  If
any of the plagiarized authors would like an apology and some form of
restitution, we can certainly ask for that, too.

As far as I'm concerned, a month with no reply means these guys
deserve to have their whole site and anything else on Angelfire/Lycos
erased.

I have forwarded your original letter to the TOS legal team, and also
reported it on their abuse form on Angelfire's main site, noting that
you've been trying to contact these guys for over a month, they are
in violation, and you want the pages taken down.

Feeling Fierce,

-Kathryn

From the Lycos/Angelfire Terms of Service Agreement at
http://info.lycos.com/legal/legal.asp

>>>
32. INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY INFRINGEMENT CLAIMS
It is the policy of the Lycos Network to respond expeditiously to
claims of intellectual property infringement. Lycos will promptly
process and investigate notices of alleged infringement and will take
appropriate actions under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act
("DMCA") and other applicable intellectual property laws. Upon
receipt of notices complying or substantially complying with the
DMCA, the Lycos Network will act expeditiously to remove or disable
access to any material claimed to be infringing or claimed to be the
subject of infringing activity and will act expeditiously to remove
or disable access to any reference or link to material or activity
that is claimed to be infringing. The Lycos Network will terminate
access for subscribers and account holders who are repeat infringers.
Notices of claimed infringement should be directed to:

Jeremy Abraham
Lycos, Inc.
100 Fifth Avenue
Waltham, Massachusetts 02451
Telephone: (781) 370-2700
Fax: (781) 466-7000
Email address: copyright@...

Please put "Notice of Infringement" in the subject line of all such
notifications. When Lycos removes or disables access to any material
claimed to be infringing, Lycos may attempt to contact the user who
has posted such material in order to give that user an opportunity to
respond to the notification, although Lycos makes no promise to do
so. Any and all counter notifications submitted by the user will be
furnished to the complaining party. Lycos will give the complaining
party an opportunity to seek judicial relief in accordance with the
DMCA before Lycos replaces or restores access to any material as a
result of any counter notification.
<<<

Unlike Yahoo, they do not specify that the report has to come from
the owner of the violated copyright.

There is also a "report abuse" form at
http://help.lycos.com/LycosHelp/help/watchdog/htdocs/lycos_watchdog_fo
rm.htm
Though the form initially appears to be for reporting spam, in the
drop-down menu you can select "copyright infringement."

Off to try the system out.

I sent out a notice to these folks on May 31st and have not heard
back from them one way or the other. Both these links are still
active:

http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/fenniocht/CauldronCommentary.html and
http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/fenniocht/CauldronofPoesy.html

They are using these without my perimission. The article is not
presented in its entirety. The commentary is presented with my name
on it, but the translation is uncredited. I would greatly appreciate
it if folks from the list would start contacting them about this. I
intend to follow up on this matter and request once again that they
remove the material.

Fenrir

I emailed you on May 30th and asked you to remove your pages with my
material, as you had not sought my permission. I received no answer
from you, and the pages are both still active. I would like to know
when you will be removing my copyrighted materials. If I do not hear
from you by July 15th, I shall consider taking legal action.

Erynn Laurie

Obviously this isn't Pagan in nature, still those of us who have had to
deal with AOL refusing to enforce TOS on copyright violations must take
heart in this. Okay, so it took Harlen Ellison to manage to beat Time
Warner, but we can all rejoice and hope that maybe some of the big names
will bother to uphold the laws and their own TOS.
http://www.authorslawyer.com/c-ellison.shtml

slàn,
Kym

~~I trust horses as far as they can throw people, likewise I trust people
as far as they can throw horses~~

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--- In Anti-Plagiarism@yahoogroups.com, "John Harding" <john@j...>
wrote:
> Are we doing a group response to this or individually?
> John

As the author, that's mostly up to you.  Tara has decided to write
Ms. Singleton directly, and I've asked Tara to keep us informed on
how that goes.  I haven't yet contacted the many other authors Ms.
Singleton has plagiarized.  (Maybe someone(s) with some free time
could take that on, using the the Google text-search technique?)

Since Singleton has posted these things to domains she owns (or
appears to own) I think we're going to have to contact ISPs, and/or
scare her enough with legal threats that she just stops.

Just hearing from authors may stop her.  It's too early to know if
she's doing this out of simple ignorance, the illusion that she won't
get caught, or if she's one of the chronic, pathological thieves.

As far as how to best use the group to take on these cases, since
we're just getting started as a larger group, we need to figure that
out together (I put some thoughts on this under Methods).

-kathryn