I have been trying for a while to project, or to experience an OoBE. I
have a friend in America who has said he has seen me in the area he
goes to in the astral realm, but I have not been able to see a thing.
Is this normal? How can I 'open' myself to see where I am, and what I
am doing?

I know I had an OoBE last night and was at an old house, but had
entered through a place I know is not there, and saw an amazing sight
of what that house could look like.

Why is it then if I can see things there, I can not see things in a
place where a friend can see me when I am 'trying' to get there, and
visit him?

*How Smart Is Your Right Foot?*

This will boggle your mind, you will keep trying it at least 50 more
times to see if you can outsmart your foot. But you can't!!!

1. While sitting at your desk, lift your right foot off the floor
and make clockwise circles with it.

2. Now, while doing this, draw the number "6" in the air with your
right hand... Your foot will change direction!!!

I told you so...

I read somewhere that the only reason we have an Astral Body at all is force of habit and that the higher states of Astral Travel  we actually shed our body double and are just consciousness floating around. There are people who say they have learnt to look from all angles at once outside of the limitation of habit.

Duane.

--- In AstralProjectionOBE@yahoogroups.com, Jim <gayjim0726@...> wrote:
>
> In my sleep and with a friend, yes i seem to have a good grip on this. I work nights and sleep horribly during the day time. I was doing well while awake, but this job seems to have screwed me up. I can still do what I call seeing, travel with my "eyes" and see. I don't see my astral body, and don't think I am taking it with me. I think I am sending out my consisnousness only at this time.
> Jim
>
> Duane Hennessy duaneh@... wrote:
> The old Astral Somnambulism! How cool. If only I could Astral Somnambulate and raid Fort Knox!!! What you probably need to do is auto-suggest that you are going to become conscious during Astral Projection or imagine walking to the end of your bedroom and then becoming conscious. It sounds like you've got the projection thing going.
>
> --- In AstralProjectionOBE@yahoogroups.com, Jim gayjim0726@ wrote:
> >
> > This got me thinking. Has anyone ever been seen by another person who is awake and in the physical body when they are astral projecting? This has happened to me with at least three people that I know. One I had a conversation with, and two said they saw me in their home. Unfortunatly I dont remember any of them because I was asleep at the time I went traveling.
>
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The old Astral Somnambulism! How cool. If only I could Astral Somnambulate and raid Fort Knox!!! What you probably need to do is auto-suggest that you are going to become conscious during Astral Projection or imagine walking to the end of your bedroom and then becoming conscious. It sounds like you've got the projection thing going.

--- In AstralProjectionOBE@yahoogroups.com, Jim <gayjim0726@...> wrote:
>
> This got me thinking. Has anyone ever been seen by another person who is awake and in the physical body when they are astral projecting? This has happened to me with at least three people that I know. One I had a conversation with, and two said they saw me in their home. Unfortunatly I dont remember any of them because I was asleep at the time I went traveling.

I do have a dark wood dining room table. But I do not have a b owl with fruit on
them. I don't have Mauve sneakers wither :(  I do like the method you used to
try to OB. I will try this as well. I wonder if you picked up on someone else.
Perhaps a friends house there? Keep trying and don't give up!
>
> From: "Duane Hennessy" <duaneh@...>
> Date: 2006/03/11 Sat PM 06:24:44 EST
> To: AstralProjectionOBE@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AstralProjectionOBE] I refuse to give up, here's my latest attempt!
>
> OMG, I had more success just autosuggesting that I would have an OBE
> sometime before Friday! No obstante, I keep on trying to project
> consciously. Details of my latest attempt:
>
> I was laying down this morning I decided to use the The infinitesimal
> dot technique. Hold on, I did something else yesterday afternoon that
> has a bearing upon esta mañana! Yesterday avo I was laying down and
> practicing Koichi Tohei's Ki meditation to relax my body, basically
> Koichi Tohei (Aikido Master from the old school who started the Ki
> Society) gives four principles to Ki meditation and extending Ki:
>
>
>     * Keep one point
>     * Relax completely
>     * Keep weight underside
>     * Extend Ki
> Keeping one point is basically concentrating upon the tanden (anywhere
> between 1 to 2 1/2 inches below the navel) and put your mind at that
> point and infinitely halving the point you are concentrating even when
> it becomes too small to be conceived.
>
> Relaxation is basically relaxation...You can get there by Keeping one
> point, or any of the other three principles.
>
> Keep weight underside is imagining the weight of your body is at the
> underside of your limbs. For example, the weight of your arm is
> underside your arm. I actually image that my weight is under the bed (I
> once projected after doing this which was cool, haven't done it again
> though).
>
> Extending Ki is basically imagining life-force (Ki or Chi or Qi) rushing
> through your limbs and out into infinity. Koichi recommends either
> imagining the Ki rushing through your arms from your head or through
> your legs to your  toes from you tanden.
>
> Anyhoo, the avo I imagined extending Ki out of my body to a plasma like
> body at the foot of my bed. When I had a firm image of this I then
> imagined transferring my consciousness to the plasma body, I did get
> some strangle effects, didn't project though  [:(] .
>
> So this morning duplicating some of what I did yesterday avo, I imagined
> extending my Ki through my third eye (and creating myself plasma like
> above the bed, I then practiced trying to transfer my consciousness to
> that body. I did get a really good view of myself in my mind and for
> once I didn't get the usual confused feeling of laying upon my bed
> whilst looking down which made it hard to actually believe I was
> floating around. Basically, usually I just feel like I'm laying upon my
> bed and find it hard to feel like I've turned to face the other way. All
> good so far.
>
> I decide to travel to visit Lisa and try sending Ki and consciousness to
> her. I got some visions but never actually left my body. It was more
> like remote viewing (which I don't care for but still) this is what I
> saw:
>
>
>     * A french polished table with a bowl of fruit upon it, grapes,
> apples, bananas; you know your garden variety fruit. Fruit was stacked
> above the rim of the bowl.
>     * The table was a dark wood.
>     * Someone was wearing mauve sneakers with short white socks and
> peddle pushers, like gym gear.
>     * Another vision I saw a two story house, with three windows to the
> left on the upper floor and a stair case from the top verandah sweeping
> right to the ground floor outside the house. House was brick not wood.
>     * I saw a park with clumps of mown grass and someone walking either
> with kids or a dog but this seemed more like Australia so I could have
> imagined that whole thing.
> I hate being vague about these things but I wonder if any of it was a
> link to Lisa or whether I'm being duped with visions of other stuff or
> just hypnogogic mind drift. I'm particularly interested in the mauve
> runners and the table with fruit on it.  [8-|]
>
> Anyhow that was this morning's attempt.
>
> Duane.
>
>
>
>
>

I really think you're on to something there. Let's see if it works
first. Then we all in this group can be the producers. I was actually a
producer for a shirt indie film a couple of years ago. We all can make a
go of this if it works :)
Too bad I don't have an infra-red device as well.

Lisa

• Keep one point
• Relax completely
• Keep weight underside
• Extend Ki

Keeping one point is basically concentrating upon the tanden (anywhere between 1 to 2 1/2 inches below the navel) and put your mind at that point and infinitely halving the point you are concentrating even when it becomes too small to be conceived.

Relaxation is basically relaxation...You can get there by Keeping one point, or any of the other three principles.

Keep weight underside is imagining the weight of your body is at the underside of your limbs. For example, the weight of your arm is underside your arm. I actually image that my weight is under the bed (I once projected after doing this which was cool, haven't done it again though).

Extending Ki is basically imagining life-force (Ki or Chi or Qi) rushing through your limbs and out into infinity. Koichi recommends either imagining the Ki rushing through your arms from your head or through your legs to your  toes from you tanden.

Anyhoo, the avo I imagined extending Ki out of my body to a plasma like body at the foot of my bed. When I had a firm image of this I then imagined transferring my consciousness to the plasma body, I did get some strangle effects, didn't project though .

So this morning duplicating some of what I did yesterday avo, I imagined extending my Ki through my third eye (and creating myself plasma like above the bed, I then practiced trying to transfer my consciousness to that body. I did get a really good view of myself in my mind and for once I didn't get the usual confused feeling of laying upon my bed whilst looking down which made it hard to actually believe I was floating around. Basically, usually I just feel like I'm laying upon my bed and find it hard to feel like I've turned to face the other way. All good so far.

I decide to travel to visit Lisa and try sending Ki and consciousness to her. I got some visions but never actually left my body. It was more like remote viewing (which I don't care for but still) this is what I saw:

• A french polished table with a bowl of fruit upon it, grapes, apples, bananas; you know your garden variety fruit. Fruit was stacked above the rim of the bowl.
• The table was a dark wood.
• Someone was wearing mauve sneakers with short white socks and peddle pushers, like gym gear.
• Another vision I saw a two story house, with three windows to the left on the upper floor and a stair case from the top verandah sweeping right to the ground floor outside the house. House was brick not wood.
• I saw a park with clumps of mown grass and someone walking either with kids or a dog but this seemed more like Australia so I could have imagined that whole thing.

I hate being vague about these things but I wonder if any of it was a link to Lisa or whether I'm being duped with visions of other stuff or just hypnogogic mind drift. I'm particularly interested in the mauve runners and the table with fruit on it.

Anyhow that was this morning's attempt.

Duane.

I really think you're on to something there. Let's see if it works
first. Then we all in this group can be the producers. I was actually a
producer for a shirt indie film a couple of years ago. We all can make a
go of this if it works :)
Too bad I don't have an infra-red device as well.

Lisa

That's one to to look at it, thanks :] I really like your artwork, it's
very intriguing! I do hope you have a showing.
I will start reading that ebook this weekend. Thanks!

Lisa

I was actually thinking about doing that, but my god, the time it would
take run through that footage, yicks.
And if I did see myself or a image of me, I would damn well have a heart
attack. But then again, I could sell the tape to some TV producer for a
nice chunk of change :O  I might try that next week, we shall see. Good
suggestion.

Lisa

Yes it was in the physical, just after I returned to myself. Strange
things did start happening after my dad died a few years ago.
Great, I feel more comfortable about a poltergeist. Can't you just lie
to me and say I have super mental powers?!
:)

Lisa

I've never heard of the look upwards method, I will be reading about it
though. I had yet another AP this morning, but I didn't go anywhere and
it was short. It seems that this happens mostly in the morning for me.
My next morning nap won't be until next week, as tomorrow is Sat and the
kids demand my attention. Sun. -Tues, I have to go to work. Bummer....

Lisa

Were the drawers shaking in the Astral or the Physical? Is poltergeistery a possiblity? I've experienced a poltergeist once in my life. When I studied the phenomena, it turned out that most poltergeistery is the result of one person and not some dislocated entity.  Hmmmm

--- In AstralProjectionOBE@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisadermenof@...> wrote:
>
> Astral Cyclone
> I was relaxed and I repeated my affirmations, 'Now, I'm out of body'.
> I was nearing a deep meditative state. My head began to become dizzy
> and the buzzing frequency began.
> I wanted to see if I could get visions in my head without having to
> leave my body. I was fully aware and more attentive with this than I
> would be if was fully awake.
> When I glide into this state, my spirit takes over, while my mind is
> on 'stand-by'. I told myself to see clearly and ordered 'clarity'. I
> only saw blurs of images, but it was better than complete darkness.
> Without my consent, I rose upward and my vision became quite clear. I
> was nearing the ceiling and was able to turn myself around. I chose
> not to see my body asleep on the bed, as I knew I would be pulled back
> to it. I effortlessly made my way around my bedroom. I was like a
> astral cyclone spinning my way around the room. As this was getting a
> little repetative, I chose to leave. I entered another membrane it
> seemed into another realm possibly. It was a lower vibrational realm
> as mentioned in some books I've read. I flew down a a shaft made for
> travelers, I past others up around me. Some stood inside, some walked.
> I wasn't sure what my destination was. In an instant, I was back
> taking a deep breath. I tried to go back, but it was lost. I laid
> there going over all the details in my head. I wanted to make sure I
> wouldn't forget anything.
> My next thought was, 'Boy, I really don't want to get up.' At that
> instant, behind me, it sounded as if all my vanity drawers were
> shaking. It was a tall thin vanity, with light wood drawers. I thought
> my daughter was playing a trick on me as she usually does to scare me.
> I saw that the bedroom door was closed, it was never opened. I turned
> around and looked over, there was no one there. I heard my daughter
> talking to the TV in the livingroom.
> My big question is, what the hell was shaking my vanity drawers? It
> wasn't a soft little tremble, it was forceful. Thoughts rose in my
> mind, maybe it was an earthquake. Well no, we don't have those in
> Ohio. Then I thought it was another being trying to get me out of bed.
> Then another thought was, maybe I caused some sort of ripple in space
> time while I was creating this vortex/cyclone in my room. Who knows,
> but I would and need the answer to that one. Hmmmm.
>

Maybe it was an anomaly, or maybe it has similarities to the Look Upwards method in the Astral Projection Methods database. Perhaps a good idea (which I definately will be trying out) would be to practice looking as far as we can to all directions and see if there is a particular one that works for different members. OMG how much easier would it be?!!!

Beats running as fast as we can into a wall to see if our body stops but our Astral Body keeps going into the next room !

--- In AstralProjectionOBE@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa" <lisadermenof@...> wrote:
>
>
> New Technique
> A nice intented nap this morning brought me to another experience. My
> affirmations are now habit, and I do them mentally almost always
> before bed. My frequency was turned, a loud buzz in my head. I wanted
> to focus on getting out of course, but I instinctively tried something
> new. I wanted my frequency to increase. I felt as though it wasn't
> high enough for me to exit. It's like plugging in a cord to get more
> amps or more jolts. I rolled my eyes to the right, as if I was looking
> at my right brain. It was a strain to look right, it didn't hurt, but
> it was the farthest I could go with them. I felt as if my mind saw I
> was looking at it and it immediately increase the frequency.
> I thought, wow, this is very strange. I didn't have to concentrate or
> say any affirmations. This simple look was a combinaiton of
> affirmations and concentration. After I looked at it, I rolled my eyes
> back in the normal positions. I tried my 'roll out' technique and got
> half out on both sides. The frequency died then, I quickly strained my
> eyes to the right again, and immediately it turned my frequency to
> full blast.
> I wanted to test this, and rolled my eyes back again. As I was trying
> to leave my body for a few moments, I waited till the buzzing subsided
> and then I went back to staring to the right (with my eyes closed of
> course). I did this about 6 times. Everytime it worked. I have no idea
> why or how this works, but it did. I will have to try this technique
> again soon.
>

New Technique
A nice intented nap this morning brought me to another experience. My
affirmations are now habit, and I do them mentally almost always
before bed. My frequency was turned, a loud buzz in my head. I wanted
to focus on getting out of course, but I instinctively tried something
new. I wanted my frequency to increase. I felt as though it wasn't
high enough for me to exit. It's like plugging in a cord to get more
amps or more jolts. I rolled my eyes to the right, as if I was looking
at my right brain. It was a strain to look right, it didn't hurt, but
it was the farthest I could go with them. I felt as if my mind saw I
was looking at it and it immediately increase the frequency.
I thought, wow, this is very strange. I didn't have to concentrate or
say any affirmations. This simple look was a combinaiton of
affirmations and concentration. After I looked at it, I rolled my eyes
back in the normal positions. I tried my 'roll out' technique and got
half out on both sides. The frequency died then, I quickly strained my
eyes to the right again, and immediately it turned my frequency to
full blast.
I wanted to test this, and rolled my eyes back again. As I was trying
to leave my body for a few moments, I waited till the buzzing subsided
and then I went back to staring to the right (with my eyes closed of
course). I did this about 6 times. Everytime it worked. I have no idea
why or how this works, but it did. I will have to try this technique
again soon.

Astral Cyclone
I was relaxed and I repeated my affirmations, 'Now, I'm out of body'.
I was nearing a deep meditative state. My head began to become dizzy
and the buzzing frequency began.
I wanted to see if I could get visions in my head without having to
leave my body. I was fully aware and more attentive with this than I
would be if was fully awake.
When I glide into this state, my spirit takes over, while my mind is
on 'stand-by'. I told myself to see clearly and ordered 'clarity'. I
only saw blurs of images, but it was better than complete darkness.
Without my consent, I rose upward and my vision became quite clear. I
was nearing the ceiling and was able to turn myself around. I chose
not to see my body asleep on the bed, as I knew I would be pulled back
to it. I effortlessly made my way around my bedroom. I was like a
astral cyclone spinning my way around the room. As this was getting a
little repetative, I chose to leave. I entered another membrane it
seemed into another realm possibly. It was a lower vibrational realm
as mentioned in some books I've read. I flew down a a shaft made for
travelers, I past others up around me. Some stood inside, some walked.
I wasn't sure what my destination was. In an instant, I was back
taking a deep breath. I tried to go back, but it was lost. I laid
there going over all the details in my head. I wanted to make sure I
wouldn't forget anything.
My next thought was, 'Boy, I really don't want to get up.' At that
instant, behind me, it sounded as if all my vanity drawers were
shaking. It was a tall thin vanity, with light wood drawers. I thought
my daughter was playing a trick on me as she usually does to scare me.
I saw that the bedroom door was closed, it was never opened. I turned
around and looked over, there was no one there. I heard my daughter
talking to the TV in the livingroom.
My big question is, what the hell was shaking my vanity drawers? It
wasn't a soft little tremble, it was forceful. Thoughts rose in my
mind, maybe it was an earthquake. Well no, we don't have those in
Ohio. Then I thought it was another being trying to get me out of bed.
Then another thought was, maybe I caused some sort of ripple in space
time while I was creating this vortex/cyclone in my room. Who knows,
but I would and need the answer to that one. Hmmmm.

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>
> From: "Sally Mc" <sallymccully@...>
> Date: 2006/03/07 Tue PM 05:24:33 EST
> To: AstralProjectionOBE@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AstralProjectionOBE] Just saying Hello...
>
>

I forgot to add that usually if the topic strays my other groups put [Off Topic] in the subject heading so other members do not get annoyed by reading irrelevant posts. This has been successful in the past.

Thanks for joining.

--- In AstralProjectionOBE@yahoogroups.com, "Sally Mc" <sallymccully@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, All.
>
> My name is Sally, and, in response to an invitation, I've just joined
> this group. All groups have their way of evolving due to the
> group-dynamic effect, I suppose. I hope this group evolves into one
> in which the members' discussions stay true to the original-stated
> purpose, and not de-volve, so to speak. When the intent is kept pure,
> the effects are magical.
>
> I'll be reading previous posts, and posting again soon.
>
> Thank you, Duane.
> Says,
> Sally Mc
>

Hello, All.

My name is Sally, and, in response to an invitation, I've just joined
this group.  All groups have their way of evolving due to the
group-dynamic effect, I suppose.  I hope this group evolves into one
in which the members' discussions stay true to the original-stated
purpose, and not de-volve, so to speak.  When the intent is kept pure,
the effects are magical.

I'll be reading previous posts, and posting again soon.

Thank you, Duane.
Says,
Sally Mc

Let's see how I go tonight . I'll start with the infinitesimal dot technique and then swap to tramplolining to see what happens. Laugh if I sleep walk and end up bouncing on the bed for real, my wife will have a fit

--- In AstralProjectionOBE@yahoogroups.com, <lisadermenof@...> wrote:
>
> Oh good, you didn't see it was me chasing you ;)
> Did I scare you that much?!
> Good luck next time and I'll be here in Ohio for your next astral visit.
> >
> > From: "Duane Hennessy" duaneh@...
> > Date: 2006/03/05 Sun PM 02:40:31 EST
> > To: AstralProjectionOBE@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [AstralProjectionOBE] Attempted projection from Lucid Dream
> >
> > Early this morning at 1.15am I was lucid dreaming. I was kind of flying
> > about a roof escaping some woman chasing me. There was the obligatory
> > fear creating episode to raise my conscious awareness, in this case
> > SPIDERS! [:-s] Anyhoo, at one point I swooped down from a low hill
> > and meadow, in the roof?!! As I swooped down I worried about going
> > through the spiders' webs and collecting the buggers, but at that point
> > I recognised the swooping feeling, like the one you get on a fairground
> > ride that has a sudden drop in it, I realised it was an OBE feeling from
> > my previous OBEs and thought "whatever I'll probably travel right
> > through the spiders' webs no problem". I got to the other end of the
> > meadow. Now I was conscious but in my dream and in my body. I
> > concentrated upon projection and sat up in bed, again I was on my right
> > side and stuck at my hips. There's an obvious pattern here as my full
> > projections are always when I lay on my back, which I don't like doing.
> > Anyhow, I decide to try to will myself out, I concentrate on
> > visiting Lisa, I figured the message was getting through but I couldn't
> > release myself from my lower half. I ended up going back to my body's
> > upper half.
> > I lay there and don't move, my body seems excited so trying to fall
> > to sleep again is going to be difficult. Fine, I'll just wait, then my
> > eye started itching, damn it persisted until I couldn't ignore it any
> > longer [:(] .
> >
> > The rest of the night was uneventful. I'm either going to have to learn
> > to find a way out of my body on it's side, like rolling out or getting
> > out of my body a different way, or put up with laying upon my back
> > during sleep.
> >
> > I used the The infinitesimal dot technique to do this (see Astral
> > Projection Methods database on this list).
> >
> >
> >
>

Oh good, you didn't see it was me chasing you ;)
Did I scare you that much?!
Good luck next time and I'll be here in Ohio for your next astral visit.
>
> From: "Duane Hennessy" <duaneh@...>
> Date: 2006/03/05 Sun PM 02:40:31 EST
> To: AstralProjectionOBE@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AstralProjectionOBE] Attempted projection from Lucid Dream
>
> Early this morning at 1.15am I was lucid dreaming. I  was kind of flying
> about a roof escaping some woman chasing me. There was the obligatory
> fear creating episode to raise my conscious awareness, in this case
> SPIDERS!  [:-s]  Anyhoo, at one point I swooped  down from a low hill
> and meadow, in the roof?!! As I swooped down I worried about going
> through the spiders' webs and collecting the buggers, but at that point
> I recognised the swooping feeling, like the one you get on a fairground
> ride that has a sudden drop in it, I realised it was an OBE feeling from
> my previous OBEs and thought "whatever I'll probably travel right
> through the spiders' webs no problem". I got to the other end of the
> meadow. Now I was conscious but in my dream and in my body. I
> concentrated upon projection and sat up in bed, again I was on my right
> side and stuck at my hips. There's an obvious pattern here as my full
> projections are always when I lay on my back, which I don't like doing.
>      Anyhow, I decide to try to will myself out, I concentrate on
> visiting Lisa, I figured the message was getting through but I couldn't
> release myself from my lower half. I ended up going back to my body's
> upper half.
>      I lay there and don't move, my body seems excited so trying to fall
> to sleep again is going to be difficult. Fine, I'll just wait, then my
> eye started itching, damn it  persisted until I couldn't ignore it any
> longer  [:(] .
>
> The rest of the night was uneventful. I'm either going to have to learn
> to find a way out of my body on it's side, like rolling out or getting
> out of my body a different way, or put up with laying upon my back
> during sleep.
>
> I used the The infinitesimal dot technique to do this (see Astral
> Projection Methods database on this list).
>
>
>