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FW: another wild Richard idea.... just to drive you crazy!   Message List  
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RE: [AudioBox] FW: another wild Richard idea.... just to drive you crazy!



> -----Original Message-----
> From: AudioBox@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:AudioBox@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jdow
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 4:23 PM
> To: AudioBox@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AudioBox] FW: another wild Richard idea....
> just to drive you crazy!
>

> little time to process. If the size of the buffers is made
> larger (not the number) there will be a slight reduction in
> CPU load. If it's more than a fraction of a percent the FIFO
> code could probably be optimized better. If the number of
> buffers is increased or decreased all that does is provide
> more "slop" for times the operating system insists it has to


My mistake! The setting I'm referring to is the buffer size, and not
the number of buffers. Hey, as I said, I don't care what all these
things really do, I just want to know what to use to get done what I
need to get done.

Anyway, I think we've beat this horse to death.....

Best to just use hardware and/or software for what it's best at, and use
other stuff for what it's good at.

I desperately would like to completely replace all my mixing consoles
with an AB64, a nice control surface, and some proper I/O boxes. (Cobra
or EtherSound) But it's not there yet..... so I wouldn't even think of
trying.

But of course that doesn't' mean I stop bugging Charlie about it.....
:-))

So I would just use SoundMan for what its best at. Playback...

Richard B. Ingraham
RBI Computers and Audio
http://www.rbicompaudio.20m.com/
rbI@...



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I sent this email to Charlie Richmond and Loren Wilton privatly. Charlie has asked me to forward it to the list. To possiblly stimulate conversation. Although... 		Richard B. Ingraham
rbi71
Offline Send Email 		Oct 11, 2006
8:06 am

If you throw enough hardware it is estimated that SoundMan would poop out well above a piddly eight in/eight out scenario. Loren tests routinely with MOTU 828...
jdow
ferdyfubar
Offline Send Email 		Oct 12, 2006
2:39 am

... Of course, but I only suggested limiting the number of live inputs.... not the number of outputs, because: 1. I figured that way you wouldn't be trying to...
Richard B. Ingraham
rbi71
Offline Send Email 		Oct 12, 2006
2:58 pm

Richard, I think your suggestion to get SoundMan out there sooner rather then later as an SFX alternative is a good one, but I think it's the UI that will help...
Bruce Ellman
bruce_ellman
Offline Send Email 		Oct 13, 2006
2:42 pm

From: "Bruce Ellman" <bruce@...> ... Precisely how little? {^_-}...
jdow
ferdyfubar
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7:21 am

... 1.4mS, analog in to analog out. C...
Charlie Richmond
charlierichmond
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12:44 pm

... I would never want to put a sound system together that has more than 5ms of total latency through out the entire system. And this means all devices from...
Richard B. Ingraham
rbi71
Offline Send Email 		Oct 15, 2006
2:37 am

From: "Richard B. Ingraham" <rbingraham@...> ... They have vastly different form factors. And the AB does not need the external plugin boxes for its...
jdow
ferdyfubar
Offline Send Email 		Oct 14, 2006
7:27 am

... No, it doesn't unless you use Cobranet or Ethersound and external converters - but then, that can be more convenient because the analog lines don't have...
Charlie Richmond
charlierichmond
Offline Send Email 		Oct 14, 2006
12:54 pm

... No it doesn't. You can have 64 analog inputs and outputs if you want to spend the money. ... And that is too high for most live audio applications, plus...
Richard B. Ingraham
rbi71
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2:44 am

How little does he really need? That is a market differentiator between AudioBox and SoundMan, though. {^_-} ... From: "Charlie Richmond"...
jdow
ferdyfubar
Offline Send Email 		Oct 14, 2006
10:49 pm

... My point exactly...... so why bother trying to route dozens of channels of live audio, if the latency is going to be too high for most applications. ...
Richard B. Ingraham
rbi71
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2:48 am

From: "Charlie Richmond" <charlier@...> ... No, I packed up my job cue as tight as it goes. This is going to go for "months" most likely. ...
jdow
ferdyfubar
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10:51 pm

From: "Richard B. Ingraham" <rbingraham@...> ... If all the audience is more than 20 ms away from the sound source the 10 ms minimum delay of...
jdow
ferdyfubar
Offline Send Email 		Oct 15, 2006
5:53 am

... the ... If the routing was for reinforcement only perhaps so, but when you get into real-world applications where performers have to sing/play along to...
Bruce Ellman
bruce_ellman
Offline Send Email 		Oct 15, 2006
3:11 pm

... The actors are not 20ms away from stage monitors most of the time. Nor are musicians 20ms away from any hotspots or other pit monitors, etc..... :-)) ...
Richard B. Ingraham
rbi71
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4:21 pm

From: "Richard B. Ingraham" <rbingraham@...> ... Increasing the latency does not reduce CPU load materially. Arguably it increases the CPU load if it...
jdow
ferdyfubar
Offline Send Email 		Oct 15, 2006
5:58 am

... The this is counter to all of my experiences with DAWs then. I don't know how all this buffer stuff works well enough to really give examples, but all I...
Richard B. Ingraham
rbi71
Offline Send Email 		Oct 15, 2006
4:28 pm

From: "Bruce Ellman" <bruce@...> ... Pieces of the UI are coming together. The communications with the server still need to be added. {^_^}...
jdow
ferdyfubar
Offline Send Email 		Oct 15, 2006
8:09 pm

From: "Richard B. Ingraham" <rbingraham@...> ... I wonder of a MOTU 828 can be configured to loop back locally within the box for "zero" latency for...
jdow
ferdyfubar
Offline Send Email 		Oct 15, 2006
8:11 pm

... It would only be possible if they allow ethernet connectivity, which would then mean latency again goes out the window.... There is a driver A&G have...
Charlie Richmond
charlierichmond
Offline Send Email 		Oct 15, 2006
8:29 pm

From: "Richard B. Ingraham" <rbingraham@...> ... Likely that means there are transient intervals during which the machine gets overloaded with what...
jdow
ferdyfubar
Offline Send Email 		Oct 15, 2006
8:26 pm

... My mistake! The setting I'm referring to is the buffer size, and not the number of buffers. Hey, as I said, I don't care what all these things really do,...
Richard B. Ingraham
rbi71
Offline Send Email 		Oct 16, 2006
4:41 am

... Nahhhhh... not even close!!! ;-) ... always use the tool that is appropriate .... ... Well... of course we are still hoping to provide a complete and...
Charlie Richmond
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Offline Send Email 		Oct 16, 2006
4:53 am
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