The grey spy mushroom is the Sweetbread Mushroom (Clitopilus
prunulus), which is an excellent edible in its own right.  However,
one has to be sure of it's identity as it has some toxic look-a-likes
(i.e. Cltocybe dealbata).  The Sweetbread Mushroom has pink spores
while the Clitocybe has white.  Also the Sweetbread has a distinctive
cucumber-like odor.

~Ryane

On Nov 12, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Tom Cruckshank wrote:

> Yes. Often. Many times boletes precede or show with no spy mushrooms
> in the area. I have found them together and apart...many times. The
> key is that if you find muscaria or the gray spy mushroom (Debbie?)
> look
> carefully but nothing is assured.
>
> kevinf wrote:
> > I know that A. Muscaria is an indicator species for B. Edulis. I
> also know that B. Edulis grows under Pine, both Monterey and Bishop.
> My question is, does B. Edulis arrive without the indicator species
> and if so, how often roughly? I keep hearing about people finding
> them (Edulis and Muscaria) in the East Bay, but I have not seen
> either even in known spots for both. Thanks, Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Visit our website at www.bayareamushrooms.org
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Yes.  Often.  Many times boletes precede or show with no spy mushrooms
in the area.  I have found them together and apart...many times.   The
key is that if you find muscaria or the gray spy mushroom (Debbie?) look
carefully but nothing is assured.

kevinf wrote:
> I know that A. Muscaria is an indicator species for B. Edulis.  I also know
that B. Edulis grows under Pine, both Monterey and Bishop.  My question is, does
B. Edulis arrive without the indicator species and if so, how often roughly? I
keep hearing about people finding them (Edulis and Muscaria) in the East Bay,
but I have not seen either even in known spots for both. Thanks, Kevin
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Visit our website at www.bayareamushrooms.org
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>


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Definitely not kings.  Growing under wrong host and much darker cap and
different pore colors.  They look like others I have collected in the
past identified as queens.  There appears to be a large variability with
boletus and the species may be broader than is generally recorded.  Into
the dryer they went with no regrets.  They reek of good edibles.

tc

Herman Brown wrote:
> The "Queens" look more like the "Kings" we get in the Northern Sierra.
> The Queens up here have a much darker cap and with the whitish bloom
> Herman Brown
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Cruckshank" <SOMAnewseditor@...>
> To: "BAMS" <bayareamushrooms@yahoogroups.com>; <SOMA@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:23 PM
> Subject: [BAMS] Sebastopol 11/11
>
>
>
>> This morning on a short walk I found the queens (I think) under a
>> planted needled tree, possibly a spruce.  Note the unusual cap/pore
>> material growing out of the side of the cap on the large one!
>>
>> Then another short walk this afternoon produced the king.  The King had
>> unusual colored pores, more like suillus than bolete, but sure it is a
>> king by all other indications.  The other day I got a rock hard king on
>> a drive by.  They are poppin' everywhere.
>>
>> All boletes without one worm hole!!   4 full Excalibur dryer trays for
>> 15 minutes of foraying!  What a deal!
>>
>> http://snipurl.com/t717s  - SOMA: View Photo: Queens  [groups_yahoo_com]
>>
>> http://snipurl.com/t7168  - BayAreaMushrooms: View Photo: Queens
>> [groups_yahoo_com]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Visit our website at www.bayareamushrooms.org
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Visit our website at www.bayareamushrooms.org
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>


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I know that A. Muscaria is an indicator species for B. Edulis.  I also know that
B. Edulis grows under Pine, both Monterey and Bishop.  My question is, does B.
Edulis arrive without the indicator species and if so, how often roughly? I keep
hearing about people finding them (Edulis and Muscaria) in the East Bay, but I
have not seen either even in known spots for both. Thanks, Kevin

Thank you Tom,

and I have encouraged Paul to join all of the local Societies (if he can manage
his mailbox...:-). All local Societies have a lot to offer and wonderful and
welcoming folks, while still having a different style. Also, to keep his eyes on
MushroomObserver as a good information resource.

         D.

P.S. BTW, I was at the Prairie Creek gathering of HSU, UCB and SFSU students and
faculty over the weekend and a few folks came by and said -- "Ohh, I met you at
SOMA Camp..."  Speaking of outreach...  Ok, I will finish the "fluff" here and
get back to my collections.


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Tom Cruckshank
   To: BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com
   Cc: MushroomTalk@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:31 PM
   Subject: [MushroomTalk] Re: [BAMS] Paul Nagami and Genus Cortinarius **Fw:
[mssf] Hello, and a transportation request



   SOMA Camp is January 16th-18th.  We will be having our usual club foray this
month on the 21st.  Meet at Woodside campground at 10 am.  Bring something to
share for the potluck to follow and bring your own place setting.

   Paul is encouraged to apply for a SOMA scholarship to further his education in
mycology.

   Tom C

   Dimitar Bojantchev wrote:

Hi,

I apologize for cross posting to so many forums, but I would like to usher Paul
Nagami to your attention and add a few words.

Paul is a new student in Dennis Desjardin's Lab in SFSU and outside an
impeccable academic background and solid molecular experience, he has expressed
great interest to work to untangle Genus Cortinarius in California and the West.
His initial task is to complete an MS degree with a more limited scope, like a
Section within Phlegmacium. He and I will partner in that effort. For the
purpose, we will need to attend most major Club forays and document and preserve
any interesting Cortinarius collections that come up (with the Club permissions,
of course).

A number of people in all Clubs carpool for various reasons, so I wanted you to
keep in mind Pual Nagami and reach out to him if any such arrangements are made.

Major forays that we plan to attend are:

MSSF -- Mendoino Nov 21/22
MSSF -- Oakland Fair
Any Other Club forays in between
FFSC Fair -- January.
SOMA Camp

We have a small, but vibrant group of "informed collectors" who find
satisfaction in pursuing the scientific and taxonomic aspects of our hobby. They
have contributed to science and their importance will increase in the future.
The Genus Cortinarius has always been considered one of the hardest to grasp
because there is no readily available information on it. But I believe that it
is not that difficult for one to learn to navigate through it and become an
aware collector. I will be teaching a Cortinarius class at UC Berkeley on Nov
18-th, hosted by the Bay Area Mycological Society (BAMS). We will start at the
basic of the Genus, its history of study in North America, and then proceed into
the recognition and understanding part by discussing the various groups within
the Genus. Everything will be richly illustrated in order to immerse peoplpe
into the subject. I have received valuable collections from people who have
become quite discriminating when collecting material -- Ron

!
   Pastorino, Ryane Snow, Dorothy Berbee, Debbie Viess, Else Vellinga and others.
If you enjoy "knowing" then please join us -- I hope we can add a few people to
that list after some introduction to the Genus.

Happy hunting,

     Dimitar




----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Nagami
To: mssf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:39 PM
Subject: [mssf] Hello, and a transportation request



Good afternoon!

I'm Paul Nagami, a student in Dennis Desjardin's lab; some of you may have met
me at the last MSSF meeting. I'm looking forward to getting to know more of you
at the Mendocino foray, where I hope to gather many Cortinarius specimens and
photos for my collaboration with Dimitar Bojantchev.

Unfortunately, I don't drive. Since I live in San Francisco, I'd be very
grateful if somebody would be kind enough to help me reach Mendocino for the
MSSF Foray on the 20th and get home on the 22nd when it ends. Of course, I would
help pay for gas.

Wishing you all the best luck this season,
Paul Nagami





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------------------------------------

Visit our website at www.bayareamushrooms.org
Yahoo! Groups Links







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The "Queens" look more like the "Kings" we get in the Northern Sierra.
The Queens up here have a much darker cap and with the whitish bloom
Herman Brown
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Cruckshank" <SOMAnewseditor@...>
To: "BAMS" <bayareamushrooms@yahoogroups.com>; <SOMA@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:23 PM
Subject: [BAMS] Sebastopol 11/11


> This morning on a short walk I found the queens (I think) under a
> planted needled tree, possibly a spruce.  Note the unusual cap/pore
> material growing out of the side of the cap on the large one!
>
> Then another short walk this afternoon produced the king.  The King had
> unusual colored pores, more like suillus than bolete, but sure it is a
> king by all other indications.  The other day I got a rock hard king on
> a drive by.  They are poppin' everywhere.
>
> All boletes without one worm hole!!   4 full Excalibur dryer trays for
> 15 minutes of foraying!  What a deal!
>
> http://snipurl.com/t717s  - SOMA: View Photo: Queens  [groups_yahoo_com]
>
> http://snipurl.com/t7168  - BayAreaMushrooms: View Photo: Queens
> [groups_yahoo_com]
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Visit our website at www.bayareamushrooms.org
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

SOMA Camp is January 16th-18th.  We will be having our usual club foray
this month on the 21st.  Meet at Woodside campground at 10 am.  Bring
something to share for the potluck to follow and bring your own place
setting.

Paul is encouraged to apply for a SOMA scholarship to further his
education in mycology.

Tom C

Dimitar Bojantchev wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I apologize for cross posting to so many forums, but I would like to usher
Paul Nagami to your attention and add a few words.
>
> Paul is a new student in Dennis Desjardin's Lab in SFSU and outside an
impeccable academic background and solid molecular experience, he has expressed
great interest to work to untangle Genus Cortinarius in California and the West.
His initial task is to complete an MS degree with a more limited scope, like a
Section within Phlegmacium. He and I will partner in that effort. For the
purpose, we will need to attend most major Club forays and document and preserve
any interesting Cortinarius collections that come up (with the Club permissions,
of course).
>
> A number of people in all Clubs carpool for various reasons, so I wanted you
to keep in mind Pual Nagami and reach out to him if any such arrangements are
made.
>
> Major forays that we plan to attend are:
>
> MSSF -- Mendoino Nov 21/22
> MSSF -- Oakland Fair
> Any Other Club forays in between
> FFSC Fair -- January.
> SOMA Camp
>
> We have a small, but vibrant group of "informed collectors" who find
satisfaction in pursuing the scientific and taxonomic aspects of our hobby. They
have contributed to science and their importance will increase in the future.
The Genus Cortinarius has always been considered one of the hardest to grasp
because there is no readily available information on it. But I believe that it
is not that difficult for one to learn to navigate through it and become an
aware collector. I will be teaching a Cortinarius class at UC Berkeley on Nov
18-th, hosted by the Bay Area Mycological Society (BAMS). We will start at the
basic of the Genus, its history of study in North America, and then proceed into
the recognition and understanding part by discussing the various groups within
the Genus. Everything will be richly illustrated in order to immerse peoplpe
into the subject. I have received valuable collections from people who have
become quite discriminating when collecting material -- Ron
> !
>   Pastorino, Ryane Snow, Dorothy Berbee, Debbie Viess, Else Vellinga and
others. If you enjoy "knowing" then please join us -- I hope we can add a few
people to that list after some introduction to the Genus.
>
> Happy hunting,
>
>     Dimitar
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Nagami
> To: mssf@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:39 PM
> Subject: [mssf] Hello, and a transportation request
>
>
>
> Good afternoon!
>
> I'm Paul Nagami, a student in Dennis Desjardin's lab; some of you may have met
me at the last MSSF meeting. I'm looking forward to getting to know more of you
at the Mendocino foray, where I hope to gather many Cortinarius specimens and
photos for my collaboration with Dimitar Bojantchev.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't drive. Since I live in San Francisco, I'd be very
grateful if somebody would be kind enough to help me reach Mendocino for the
MSSF Foray on the 20th and get home on the 22nd when it ends. Of course, I would
help pay for gas.
>
> Wishing you all the best luck this season,
> Paul Nagami
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Visit our website at www.bayareamushrooms.org
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This morning on a short walk I found the queens (I think) under a
planted needled tree, possibly a spruce.  Note the unusual cap/pore
material growing out of the side of the cap on the large one!

Then another short walk this afternoon produced the king.  The King had
unusual colored pores, more like suillus than bolete, but sure it is a
king by all other indications.  The other day I got a rock hard king on
a drive by.  They are poppin' everywhere.

All boletes without one worm hole!!   4 full Excalibur dryer trays for
15 minutes of foraying!  What a deal!

http://snipurl.com/t717s  - SOMA: View Photo: Queens  [groups_yahoo_com]

http://snipurl.com/t7168  - BayAreaMushrooms: View Photo: Queens
[groups_yahoo_com]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi,

I apologize for cross posting to so many forums, but I would like to usher Paul
Nagami to your attention and add a few words.

Paul is a new student in Dennis Desjardin's Lab in SFSU and outside an
impeccable academic background and solid molecular experience, he has expressed
great interest to work to untangle Genus Cortinarius in California and the West.
His initial task is to complete an MS degree with a more limited scope, like a
Section within Phlegmacium. He and I will partner in that effort. For the
purpose, we will need to attend most major Club forays and document and preserve
any interesting Cortinarius collections that come up (with the Club permissions,
of course).

A number of people in all Clubs carpool for various reasons, so I wanted you to
keep in mind Pual Nagami and reach out to him if any such arrangements are made.

Major forays that we plan to attend are:

MSSF -- Mendoino Nov 21/22
MSSF -- Oakland Fair
Any Other Club forays in between
FFSC Fair -- January.
SOMA Camp

We have a small, but vibrant group of "informed collectors" who find
satisfaction in pursuing the scientific and taxonomic aspects of our hobby. They
have contributed to science and their importance will increase in the future.
The Genus Cortinarius has always been considered one of the hardest to grasp
because there is no readily available information on it. But I believe that it
is not that difficult for one to learn to navigate through it and become an
aware collector. I will be teaching a Cortinarius class at UC Berkeley on Nov
18-th, hosted by the Bay Area Mycological Society (BAMS). We will start at the
basic of the Genus, its history of study in North America, and then proceed into
the recognition and understanding part by discussing the various groups within
the Genus. Everything will be richly illustrated in order to immerse peoplpe
into the subject. I have received valuable collections from people who have
become quite discriminating when collecting material -- Ron Pastorino, Ryane
Snow, Dorothy Berbee, Debbie Viess, Else Vellinga and others. If you enjoy
"knowing" then please join us -- I hope we can add a few people to that list
after some introduction to the Genus.

Happy hunting,

     Dimitar




----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Nagami
To: mssf@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:39 PM
Subject: [mssf] Hello, and a transportation request



Good afternoon!

I'm Paul Nagami, a student in Dennis Desjardin's lab; some of you may have met
me at the last MSSF meeting. I'm looking forward to getting to know more of you
at the Mendocino foray, where I hope to gather many Cortinarius specimens and
photos for my collaboration with Dimitar Bojantchev.

Unfortunately, I don't drive. Since I live in San Francisco, I'd be very
grateful if somebody would be kind enough to help me reach Mendocino for the
MSSF Foray on the 20th and get home on the 22nd when it ends. Of course, I would
help pay for gas.

Wishing you all the best luck this season,
Paul Nagami





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Just a heads up I have collected about 16lbs of White King Boletes in the Bay
Area over the last several days.  Still no sign of Chanterelles for me though I
have heard others are finding them.

Nice article Deb! I learned a number of new things, the most surprising
to me being that Amanita smithiana had been mistaken for matsutake.  I
especially liked the drawings.

I just had a Coccora omelet for breakfast, how appropriate. Took a walk
yesterday, and the phalloides were in full bloom everywhere - I coulda
picked 100 lbs!

debbie viess wrote:
>
>
> Hi Gang,
>   I was honored to be asked to write the lead article for the Fall
> 2009 MANZANITA, the glossy, color newsletter for the Friends of the
> EBRPD Botanic Garden. My chosen topic, of course, was amanitas, but my
> article was written for non-mycologists/obsessive botanists, so there
> is plenty of general mycology introduction to bring them along, as
> well as seduce them over to OUR side of that mycorrhizae! You might
> find something of interest in it, too.
>
> All photos and illustrations are my own. Due to space limitations, I
> didn't cover all of the possible amanita species in the East Bay, but
> did try and emphasize some of the more interesting and unusual ones.
>
> Continuing to build bridges between the various natural history
> communities here in the BA, I remain, most sincerely,
>
> Debbie Viess aka Amanitarita
>
> link to article here:
>
> http://tiny.cc/kDh7N <http://tiny.cc/kDh7N>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Hi All

We are not ridiculously abundant in the northern Sierra as we got skunked on the
big "typhoon" rainstorm (3.2 inches as opposed to 8 in in the central sierra).
BUT the white and golden chantrelles are showing on the lowest points of the wet
drainages with many others. Ramaria, collybia, clitopilus(? ),gymnopus, suillus,
lepiota, amanita, and a few bolete. It is all starting at better locations. I
like 3,200 ft currently for best results.

happy hunting....hunt locally!!

Daniel

Hi Gang,
  I was honored to be asked to write the lead article for the Fall 2009
MANZANITA, the glossy, color newsletter for the Friends of the EBRPD Botanic
Garden. My chosen topic, of course, was amanitas, but my article was written for
non-mycologists/obsessive botanists, so there is plenty of general mycology
introduction to bring them along, as well as seduce them over to OUR side of
that mycorrhizae! You might find something of interest in it, too.
 
All photos and illustrations are my own. Due to space limitations, I didn't
cover all of the possible amanita species in the East Bay, but did try and
emphasize some of the more interesting and unusual ones.
 
Continuing to build bridges between the various natural history communities here
in the BA, I remain, most sincerely,
 
Debbie Viess aka Amanitarita
 
link to article here:
 
http://tiny.cc/kDh7N

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I thought it was S. brevipes at first as well, but usually the stem is
fairly equal.  It may be S. pseudobrevipes, which is more consistant
with where it was found.

~Ryane

On Nov 10, 2009, at 6:19 PM, debbieviess wrote:

> Suillus (slippery jack) fer sure...S. brevipes. maybe.
> Debbie
>
> --- In BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com, "lite104me" <lite104me@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Found on Mount Shasta at 3600' today in decaying oak leaves next
> to my
> > house around 15' from mix of cedar, pine, white fir and oak trees.
> Are
> > these Slippery Jacks? Are the small ones young and the two larger
> (3 -
> > 3.5") more mature versions of the same type?
> >
> > Link to pics
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BayAreaMushrooms/photos/album/1267324587/\
> > pic/list>
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>



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Thanks for the ID!

Regarding edibility, I have read everything from "edible and choice"
to "mediocre".  What is your experience?

Thanks Herman. I took them down there today and hopefully something will
happen.

Jill



   _____

From: BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Herman Brown
Sent: 10 November 2009 06:36
To: BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BAMS] photos from the BAMS! Salt Point foray





We try to spread he spores where ever we can, and think we have been
successful in at least one case.
Herman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jill Beckett (damedeadeye)" <damedeadeye@
<mailto:damedeadeye%40becketts.ws> becketts.ws>
To: <BayAreaMushrooms@ <mailto:BayAreaMushrooms%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:46 PM
Subject: RE: [BAMS] photos from the BAMS! Salt Point foray

> Question:
>
> If I clean up a bunch of boletes and some of them were way gone with
> maggots and age, could I take them and "seed" an area that has nice oaks
> and
> pine that seems very quiet right now? Would they do the spore thing and
> come up when conditions favour them? Next year or the year after? How
> does
> that work with the mycorhyzae?
>
> I have always been curious about this. Maybe others have asked but I did
> not
> see the reponse or the question, therefore am asking now.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jill
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: BayAreaMushrooms@ <mailto:BayAreaMushrooms%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BayAreaMushrooms@ <mailto:BayAreaMushrooms%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of debbie viess
> Sent: 10 November 2009 11:53
> To: BayAreaMushrooms@ <mailto:BayAreaMushrooms%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [BAMS] photos from the BAMS! Salt Point foray
>
>
>
>
>
>
> A pictorial stroll down recent-memory lane:
>
> http://tiny. <http://tiny. <http://tiny.cc/oF0pe> cc/oF0pe> cc/oF0pe
>
> FYI, if above link doesn't work, go to the BAMS! Salt Point foray photo
> folder.
>
> Species list to follow, but you'll have to be patient...Doug is currently
> in
> process of flying back to Geneva.
>
> Debbie Viess
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Visit our website at www.bayareamushrooms.org
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>





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We try to spread he spores where ever we can, and think we have been
successful in at least one case.
Herman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jill Beckett (damedeadeye)" <damedeadeye@...>
To: <BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:46 PM
Subject: RE: [BAMS] photos from the BAMS! Salt Point foray


> Question:
>
> If I clean up a bunch of boletes and some of them were way gone with
> maggots and age, could I take them and "seed" an area that has nice oaks
> and
> pine that seems very quiet right now?  Would they do the spore thing and
> come up when conditions favour them?  Next year or the year after? How
> does
> that work with the mycorhyzae?
>
> I have always been curious about this. Maybe others have asked but I did
> not
> see the reponse or the question, therefore am asking now.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jill
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of debbie viess
> Sent: 10 November 2009 11:53
> To: BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [BAMS] photos from the BAMS! Salt Point foray
>
>
>
>
>
>
> A pictorial stroll down recent-memory lane:
>
> http://tiny. <http://tiny.cc/oF0pe> cc/oF0pe
>
> FYI, if above link doesn't work, go to the BAMS! Salt Point foray photo
> folder.
>
> Species list to follow, but you'll have to be patient...Doug is currently
> in
> process of flying back to Geneva.
>
> Debbie Viess
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Visit our website at www.bayareamushrooms.org
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Suillus (slippery jack) fer sure...S. brevipes. maybe.
Debbie

--- In BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com, "lite104me" <lite104me@...> wrote:
>
> Found on Mount Shasta at 3600' today in decaying oak leaves next to my
> house around 15' from mix of cedar, pine, white fir and oak trees. Are
> these Slippery Jacks? Are the small ones young and the two larger (3 -
> 3.5") more mature versions of the same type?
>
> Link to pics
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Found on Mount Shasta at 3600' today in decaying oak leaves next to my
house around 15' from mix of cedar, pine, white fir and oak trees. Are
these Slippery Jacks? Are the small ones young and the two larger (3 -
3.5") more mature versions of the same type?

Link to pics
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BayAreaMushrooms/photos/album/1267324587/\
pic/list>



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Question:

  If I clean up a bunch of boletes and some of them were way gone with
maggots and age, could I take them and "seed" an area that has nice oaks and
pine that seems very quiet right now?  Would they do the spore thing and
come up when conditions favour them?  Next year or the year after? How does
that work with the mycorhyzae?

I have always been curious about this. Maybe others have asked but I did not
see the reponse or the question, therefore am asking now.

Thanks!

Jill



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From: BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of debbie viess
Sent: 10 November 2009 11:53
To: BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BAMS] photos from the BAMS! Salt Point foray






A pictorial stroll down recent-memory lane:

http://tiny. <http://tiny.cc/oF0pe> cc/oF0pe

FYI, if above link doesn't work, go to the BAMS! Salt Point foray photo
folder.

Species list to follow, but you'll have to be patient...Doug is currently in
process of flying back to Geneva.

Debbie Viess

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Great photos, Debbie.  Sorry I couldn't make it. The myco-lists are abuzz!

:George

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> A pictorial stroll down recent-memory lane:
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> http://tiny.cc/oF0pe
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> FYI, if above link doesn't work, go to the BAMS! Salt Point foray photo
> folder.
>  
> Species list to follow, but you'll have to be patient...Doug is currently
> in process of flying back to Geneva.
>  
> Debbie Viess
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A pictorial stroll down recent-memory lane:
 
http://tiny.cc/oF0pe
 
FYI, if above link doesn't work, go to the BAMS! Salt Point foray photo folder.
 
Species list to follow, but you'll have to be patient...Doug is currently in
process of flying back to Geneva.
 
Debbie Viess

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Yes, I had my first ever the other night. Beautiful mushroom to behold,
smell and eat!  I cooked in olive oil, salt, pepper and finished with
shallots and Amontillado sherry from Trader Joe!  Yumm!!!

Jill



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From: BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of debbie viess
Sent: 10 November 2009 10:28
To: BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BAMS] Butter Bolete





try the East Bay hills instead...under live oak. also, check MO (mushroom
observer) for other areas where it might currently be found, like in Marin
CO: search the entire site for Boletus appendiculatus, check the locations
and dates found.

Good luck: This is a beautiful, firm and delicious edible mushroom.

Its context (the flesh inside) is yellow, quickly staining blue, then back
to yellow in the fry pan! Presto-change-o! Yet more mushroom magic...;)

Debbie

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com> wrote:

From: Michael <camrok23@yahoo. <mailto:camrok23%40yahoo.com> com>
Subject: [BAMS] Butter Bolete
To: BayAreaMushrooms@ <mailto:BayAreaMushrooms%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:48 PM



I've heard that butter boletes are starting to pop up. I always wanted to
try them, but haven't had the pleasure. Any ideas of better places to look -
SPSP or Fort Bragg??

Also, do they grow in the same environment as kings?

Thank you,

Michael Shumyater
REALTORR
415-713-1347 phone
888-475-0440 fax
www.realtormikes. com

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try the East Bay hills instead...under live oak. also, check MO (mushroom
observer) for other areas where it might currently be found, like in Marin CO:
search the entire site for Boletus appendiculatus, check the locations and dates
found.
 
Good luck: This is a beautiful, firm and delicious edible mushroom. 
 
Its context (the flesh inside) is yellow, quickly staining blue, then back to
yellow in the fry pan! Presto-change-o! Yet more mushroom magic...;)
 
Debbie

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Michael <camrok23@...> wrote:


From: Michael <camrok23@...>
Subject: [BAMS] Butter Bolete
To: BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:48 PM


 



I've heard that butter boletes are starting to pop up. I always wanted to try
them, but haven't had the pleasure. Any ideas of better places to look - SPSP or
Fort Bragg??

Also, do they grow in the same environment as kings?

Thank you,

Michael Shumyater
REALTOR®
415-713-1347 phone
888-475-0440 fax
www.realtormikes. com









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I've heard that butter boletes are starting to pop up. I always wanted to try
them, but haven't had the pleasure. Any ideas of better places to look - SPSP or
Fort Bragg??

Also, do they grow in the same environment as kings?

Thank you,

Michael Shumyater
REALTOR®
415-713-1347 phone
888-475-0440 fax
www.realtormikes.com

Thanks Debbie,

Bill McGuire also replied with the same id/advice via ffsc.

As I said to him, I used the key in David Arora's Mushrooms Demystified to
come up with Amanita Calyptrata. There is an abundance of Amanita Phalloides
in my neighbourhood, so I'm very familiar with those. I'm also reasonably
confident of my Ocreata id's, but I do plan on joining a few forays this
season :)

Thanks again,

Peter Haines


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They are coccora, an edible amanita,  but please don't rush to eat them. Bill
Mcguire gave an excellant summation of the cautions appropriate to the eating
of amanitas on the FFSC list...which bears repeating here:
 
collect many before you eat any (photo IDs are not enough evidence upon which to
risk your life...the deadly Amanita phalloides is also abundant in the field
right now).
 
have your ID checked by a local expert (which is what you are doing, but best to
bring them by one of the Santa Cruz identifiers as well, for an in-hand
confirmation of ALL fruit bodies, at least when you are first starting out).
 
be sure that EACH and EVERY mushroom that you are considering for the table has
the salient coccora characteristics: striate margin, even in youth, totally
elongating stipe base(ie no bulb), hollow stipe filled with pith, thick
universal veil with a thick patch on the cap, rich golden brown color edged in
yellow (there can be color variations, but best to stick to the classic forms at
first).
 
and most importantly....when in doubt, throw it out!
 
also study the morphology of our two local deadly amanitas, both found under
live oak: A. phalloides and A, ocreata. Both of these mushrooms have a bulbous
base with a thin, membranous universal veil. Amanita ocreata, which occurs a bit
later in the year (usually) is a white mushroom that can be colored tan or pale
brown or yellowish on the cap center; when cut in half it shows discrete, hollow
chambers. Amanita phalloides can be green or greenish-yellow or tan or brown or
rarely white. It normally has a solid stipe, but can sometimes show a hollow
stipe like a coccora. The caps of both these mushrooms can become striate with
age.
 
As you can see, these mushrooms can be extremely variable, so take your time and
learn them over many seasons. Arora's field guide, "All That the Rain Promises
and more..." is an excellant source for species descriptions and photos in a
readily accessible and portable guide.
 
Keep on learning!
 
Best,
Debbie Viess
 
1/10/09, phaines910 <phaines910@...> wrote:


From: phaines910 <phaines910@...>
Subject: [BAMS] Help with identification
To: BayAreaMushrooms@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 4:33 PM


 



Hello all,

I found several of these growing in a mixed oak redwood area in the mountains
above Aptos. The mushroom has a delicate veil remnant which is not really
visible in the photo. This specimen was also the only one I saw where the volva
had grown over/ was attached to the cap. I'm hoping that one of the experts in
these groups can help with an id.

The photos are in album http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BayAreaMus
hrooms/photos/ album/811218391/ pic/list

Thanks in advance,

Peter Haines








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Hello all,

I found several of these growing in a mixed oak redwood area in the mountains
above Aptos. The mushroom has a delicate veil remnant which is not really
visible in the photo. This specimen was also the only one I saw where the volva
had grown over/ was attached to the cap. I'm hoping that one of the experts in
these groups can help with an id.

The photos are in album
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BayAreaMushrooms/photos/album/811218391/pic/list

Thanks in advance,

Peter Haines

Hello all,

I found several of these growing in a mixed oak redwood area in the
mountains above Aptos. The mushroom has a delicate veil remnant which is not
really visible in the photo. This specimen was also the only one I saw where
the volva had grown over/ was attached to the cap. I'm hoping that one of
the experts in these groups can help with an id.

Thanks in advance,

Peter Haines


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Excellent! I figured it would be a great foray from what I had heard
from a previous mushroom mentor's call to me.
With 4 dogs and a friend this weekend it was not in the cards for me.

However, I got about 5 pounds of butters out the the hills yesterday
(what was left from the deers foray) but, about 1/2 were maggoty.
The coccora's are another matter altogether. They are magnificent! I
also got about 2 pounds of these brown beauties and I already have
dried them.
They were mostly perfect. I saw some that were at least 8" across and
growing in groups. Phalloids are here as well and coming on strong.
I saw one perfect specimen with the classic deep green tint top I will
try to post along with all my other shots I have been meaning to post...

Jeff






On Nov 9, 2009, at 10:36 AM, debbie viess wrote:

>
>
> Hi Gang,
>   Well, those reporters claiming that the porcini were practically
> jumping into their baskets did not lie...it is a GREAT year for
> edulis on the coast. And what a fine weekend for a camping foray!
> Despite the predictions of rain, the days were gloriously sunny, so
> much so that I regretted not bringing a brimmed hat! About 30 folks
> showed up to hunt the beautiful SP woods, with a few curious little
> ones and lots of fresh new faces...it is great to see how BAMS is
> skewing young, demographically speaking. Gotta train up (and help
> support) Mushroomers, the Next Generation!
>
> We met lots of interesting folks in the woods, too, and were glad to
> pause and help them with their IDs or other questions. A big family
> of Russians came into our Camp on Sunday morning to view our
> beautiful "Log 'O Shrooms", where we had displayed the many, many
> varieties of mushrooms that we had found. I especially liked it when
> the young Russian mother called the Amanita muscaria by its Siberian
> name: Mukhomor! That earned her and her family a big boletus for
> their breakfast. (yeah, I'm a sucker for amanita lovers.)
> A few other random mushroom hunters that were also up at SP ended up
> joining both our campfire and cookout as well as our club...BAMS!,
> the biggest bargin in mycology!
>
> I have never seen such clear skies at night along the coast. The sky
> was best viewed in the open grassy center of Gerstle Cove
> campground, and the stars stretched brilliant from horizon to
> horizon. The Milky Way blazed a path of its own, and shooting stars
> were numerous. Salt Point was spectacular day AND night.
>
> Porcini (and Amanita muscaria and Clitopilus prunulus, both porcini
> indicators) were abundant under the pines, IF you were the first on
> the scene! Go deep, get away from the roads and crawl into that
> second growth pine! Suillus of many varieties, tempting, then
> disappointing porcini hunters, were also abundant. Russula brevipes
> and many other russula sp., including a very few xerampelina, showed
> themselves here and there. Lactarius rubrilacteus (a red-latexed
> edible) and Lactarius argillacefollius var. megacarpus (not edible,
> but sometimes shelters chanterelles) were both found. A disappointed
> bolete or coccora hunter cut a matsie and left it behind...I picked
> it up, as well as the one still in the ground.  Thanks, Bro!
>
> Other edibles found: chanterelles, pigs ears, oysters, Hydnum
> repandum, Boletus regineus (the Queen) and Boletus chrysenteron and
> zelleri. Entoloma bloxamii, the midnight blue entoloma. Coccora and
> grisettes (A. pachycholea and constricta and who knows what-all
> unnamed grisettes). A few sulphur shelf: pretty, but not one I'd
> eat. And the Wine Cap Agaricus (subrutilescens), thin fleshed but
> sweet smelling, one of the few mushrooms found under redwood.
>
> As to specimens....Doug Smith arrived at dusk, after a long day in
> the woods, to join in our festivities, but more importantly, to help
> with our taxonomy. Armed with a flashlight, he went through all of
> our mushrooms, making a list as he went. He promises to send it to
> me in a couple of days, where I will add a few things, no doubt,
> then pass it on to you. Blue-black leptonias, amanitas (lotsa
> "franchetii" sensu Thiers), cortinarius, mycenas, tricholomas,
> entolomas, lepiotas, scaley chanterelles, polypores, ramaria,
> strobiluris, crepidotus, etc. etc. were all found and chronicled.
>
> BTW, Doug is our farthest-flung BAMS member, here briefly from his
> current home in Geneva, Switzerland. He has made it to three BAMS
> forays in two weeks....what's YOUR excuse??! ;)
>
> With the advent of the boletus comes the frenzied, porcini hunting
> hoards...from members of our various local clubs, to the full
> spectrum of ethnic, mushroom-loving communities (Italians and Poles
> and Russians and Czechs), locals in the know, and even folks
> charging money to take you into the woods.
>
> And as predators follow the caribou herds, those who make a profit
> from our mushroom greed also follow...the Sheriff's Department,
> keeping those with challenged ethics off of private property, and
> the Rangers who try and limit the amounts brought out of the Park by
> individuals. 200 pounds (an amount claimed by one hunter) is a lot
> of mushrooms, and that means little or none for the next guy or gal,
> at least where that man hunted. Ranger Wood claimed that people were
> filling laundry baskets with porcini, and also pinned some of the
> trash being left behind in the forest on the "Russians," but I don't
> see how he can really know who is leaving trash.
>
> Heck, even I felt guilty when I half-filled my Berkeley Bowl
> bag....those single mushrooms can weigh quite a bit.
>
> The moral of all this is: don't pick more than your share (5#/person/
> day or in your possesion in the Park) and if you do have a few
> mushrooms over, be discrete. The tickets are large if you get
> caught, and a few mushrooms too many are as bad in the eyes of the
> law (looking for their easy income) as a hundred. After missing
> their catches of the big-time hunters, some of the local law
> enforcement are more than willing to take it out on us small-timers,
> so be aware. Also, watch your parking (poor Doug got a ticket for
> having a tire on a line IN the parking lot!), and for heavens sake,
> pay the darned $8 to hunt the Park. It is pretty disgusting to see
> Mercedes parked along the road as if they couldn't afford the
> entrance fee, while the driver is in the park hunting mushrooms.
>
> Whether you are a pot-hunter or a photographer, taxonomist or poet,
> the coast is currently full of the beauty and wonder and diversity
> of fungal life, and b'gosh, some of it is even edible! But this is a
> time limited offer: Get out there and find some of your own, while
> the season is young and the mushrooms are, too.
>
> Debbie Viess
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