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Re: Tuning, spacing and radiant energy

Andrew,

My coil is about the same distance from the magnets as yours. I also get an rpm
increase the closer the coil is to the magnets. The main thing I don't like
about using the battery on the primary is it tends to fall out of the sweet spot
as the primary voltage drops.

Preston,

Thanks for your data it's helpful to compare. My understanding is that you want
the highest rpm for the lowest current draw from the primary.

To all,

Please correct me if I'm wrong or add anything I may be missing. My
understanding is the ssg is charging the primary battery by way of the voltage
spikes produced by the pulsing of the coil along with a small current. So
charging will happen regardless of if we've got it in the sweet spot or not. We
tune our ssg only for maximum rpm for minimum current draw to get the most
voltage spikes for the lowest cost in hopes of being able to achieve over unity.
The higher the rpm the greater the magnitude of the voltage spikes. By tuning
for highest rpm and lowest current draw it becomes possible to achieve over
unity with the ssg once the batteries have become conditioned and we work within
the C20 rates of the batteries and stay within the more efficient area of the
charging curve.



--- In Bedini_Monopole3@yahoogroups.com, "preston_stroud" <pstroud@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Jamez354
>
> You had asked what current and RPM that others are getting. After
> replacing my 2N2055 with an MJL21194, I ran a series of tests with my
> new tachometer and various resistors (without the POT). I measured the
> power battery input current (on negative terminal), the charging mA on
> the charge battery's positive terminal and the RPM. Note that I have a
> 11 1/2" diameter rotor with 10 magnets on it. My rotor was cut out of
> 2" x 12" treated wood and is very very heavy. Its like a heavy fly
> wheel and is probably keeping the wheel from turning faster. I'm
> looking at cutting some large holes in it to make it lighter. In the
> mean time, my testing is documented below.
>
> Here were the results I measured (Note the ohms is the resisitor I
> swapped for each test)
>
> * 100 ohm = Pwr 130 mA, Chg 21 mA, RPM 97
> * 150 ohm = Pwr 120 mA, Chg 19mA, RPM 99
> * 180 ohm = Pwr 120 mA, Chg 19 mA, RPM 98
> * 330 ohm = Pwr 100 mA, Chg 16 mA, RPM 102
> * 390 ohm = Pwr 90 mA, Chg 15 mA, RPM 103
> * 470 ohm = Pwr 80 mA, Chg 14 mA, RPM 104
> * 680 ohm = Pwr 90 mA, Chg 21 mA, RPM 92 ***** Sweet Spot ?
> * 1 K ohm = Pwr 70 mA, Chg 14 mA, RPM 92
> * 2.2 K ohm = stops running
>
> Based on the test results above, I determined that the 680 ohm resistor
> must be the sweet spot because it has a lower power batter current draw
> with the highest charging batter current (although it is not the fastest
> speed).
>
> Preston Stroud
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Hi Preston, I would say that your 470 ohm resistor gives the best sweet spot. Lowest primary draw for highest RPM. The more flywheel, the better as well....
John Koorn
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Jul 13, 2009
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Andrew, My coil is about the same distance from the magnets as yours. I also get an rpm increase the closer the coil is to the magnets. The main thing I don't...
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Jul 14, 2009
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I've started a new round of testing. I'm using a 160 cold cranking amp lawn and garden starter battery. Before charging I discharged to 12.0 and let it rest...
jamez354
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Jul 15, 2009
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Hi James, There's a few things that can improve your testing and results. Try re-tuning for a faster sweet spot. For your sized setup, assuming the coil is...
John Koorn
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Jul 15, 2009
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Hi John, I did a load test on the battery and I got a cop of 1.19. That's encouraging. I'll try tuning as you suggested then give it a 24 hour charge and do...
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Jul 16, 2009
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I tried retuning for the higher rpm and did two more cycles. I'm still finding charging going very slow. I retuned for 0.1 amp draw from primary and 143rpm....
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Jul 22, 2009
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mor data how big free spin time? any pic  no. mag  coil size wire size core? ect ________________________________ From: jamez354 <jamez354@...> To:...
Guy Bradley
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Jul 22, 2009
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95 rpm sounds low. Did you remove all the grease from the bearings and lube it with some light oil? Also what is your input voltage and input current? Hagen...
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Jul 15, 2009
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I'm a little confused as to how you are measuring efficiency. When you say 50ma @ 102 rpm = 2.04 What does the 2.04 represent? Thanks, Josh ... From: jamez354...
Josh Gowen
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Jul 22, 2009
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rpm per milliamp. higher is better. rpm/ma instead of magnets per minute/ma. ive got 18 magnets so multiply by 18 to get magnets per minute/ma. so 2.04 rpm x...
jamez354
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Jul 22, 2009
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That sounds about right. Here are some other things to think about. Are you using an analog multimeter to measure current? Digital meters can be decieving when...
Josh Gowen
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Jul 22, 2009
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Also in your report you said that you have not cleaned and loosened your bearings. If you haven't done this allready then you should. It will make a huge...
Josh Gowen
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I used a digital meter to begin with then fine tune with an analog. I know the analog meters are much more revealing. I use the digital primarily for checking...
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Jul 22, 2009
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For Current messurments the digital meter is totaly useless. I bought an analogue current meter at 3 amps and of course it was brocken from the get go, so I...
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Jul 22, 2009
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Yeah I know the digital meters aren't as good as the analog meters for measuring the pulsed currents. There's not a big difference in meter readings for me but...
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My 1 ohm test gave me a reading of .14 volts, I speeded the wheel up by hand and got .24 volts, so yes I think I'm within specs. I would like to mention how I...
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the one ohm resistor is a "heat" test, to show we are not pushing current. .14 volts will not heat up that resistor, so you are good. Tom C ... From:...
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the frist sounds good guy ________________________________ From: "sleepert@..." <sleepert@...> To: Bedini_Monopole3@yahoogroups.com Sent:...
Guy Bradley
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thay a normal for a dead batt low to no impedance as  batt got same charge in it the impedance go up so charging mets repentance I can tell you are measuring...
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Jul 22, 2009
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by the results in your folder you have 0.25 joules per second charging your battery, and using approx 5.2 joules per second when discharging. is this not a...
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It's not great when you compare the totality of what's going in vs what's going out. COP < 1 overall (excluding the anomalous first cycle), but at times I did...
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Jul 23, 2009
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THSE ARE MY HR 5,AM 1LAST THOUGHT DEPINPON YOUR DISCGARGE TIME U MIGHT HAVE KILL 1 BATT BUT IF IT RAN 29 +HR ON 1 CHARGE MABY NOT  BASE TO FIX .500  1/2K ...
Guy Bradley
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i am goin to assrme on 20+inch rotor and u have at leact 3 min of free spindown see this say  200 rpm x 16=3200/60 sec=32 mps  but mpm is easyer   and drop...
Guy Bradley
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26" bicycle wheel rotor 18 magnets, 11 minutes 30 seconds freewheel time and I balanced the wheel so it doesn't rock much when stopping. It's totally built to...
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It seems you may be doing your charge calculations on the current input you are reading at your charge battery with your meter. What you may be missing is that...
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R AND R VPOT TO FIX RES  TO TUNE GUY  U AR T 1,2 K HIGH BACK UP AT . 500 1/2 K SHOULD FLY I[ GAP ]GOOD I SURE BET IT THE V POTS ...
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... From: jamez354 <jamez354@...> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:19 AM To: Bedini_Monopole3@yahoogroups.com <Bedini_Monopole3@yahoogroups.com> Subject:...
Josh Gowen
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In my setup .022a was going into the charging battery. We are not charging with conventional current so as you should be able to tell by the amount of current...
Josh Gowen
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Jul 22, 2009
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Thanks for the info Josh. Your COP must have been quite high like 3 to 4 range!?. I only got a COP that high once and I assumed it was a measuring error and...
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do you find a power source can ever perform better than a battery in that sweet spot? perhaps in the future placing a capacitor over the battery will assist in...
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