People, please hear me out in this long email. I am trying to address
a number of things relating to our object in this project, and will
do that progressively.

If we push John or make threats he will go elsewhere. While I do
think he has given us a lot of info about how to tap into radiant
energy, I doubt he will want to share valuable info about harnessing
large amounts of it if there is some possibility of someone running
off with it and either taking credit for it or making millions (or,
seriously, for use in warfare). I do not think most people can
understand all that is involved in giving a new technology. There are
many serious factors involved. John has been in business for many
years and obviously understands these things. If you read the book
Peter recommends about the secrets of cold war technology and other
books you will see that introducing these things is a very serious
matter. Probably the most difficult thing is in attempting to
manufacture something, even though the mechanical aspects of that may
be easy enough. I leave you to the books Peter recommends on his web
site for more on that.

I think a lot of this will come down to a matter of trust. There is
no reason to trust people on this publicly viewable list with giving
all the info about how to power a home. Ideally it would be desirable
to do that. But if we have enough info to learn how to power a home,
then we would have enough to power a community and just about
anything. As mentioned, there is safety and security concerns with
doing that, as well as other concerns. (Although I do think that the
costs in setup are still a major deterrent for people. It takes time
and money to convert a home to run off of solar or wind, ongoing
money in batteries too.--no free ride)

I think what will happen is that more and more people need to become
accustomed to the idea of alternative energy. That is happening. Here
in Michigan our 'Canadian' Governor announced some very interesting
plans. She promised to make this State lead in alternative energy and
also that the whole union would be totally free of foreign oil. She
went further but I can't remember the exact quotes. Other governments
are also showing more and more interest in alt. energy. Even the
Canadian government was checking out my little SG web page on my site
(many times). Both in the headlines and behind closed doors the
evolution is taking place (contrary to the interests of the
controllers of oil and energy). Time is needed for people to be
comfortable with it. It has taken a long time but this is becoming
normal to see everywhere. I watch it everywhere making pace. I see
LED lights coming into stores more and more (while not being alter.
energy it is still saving energy). In Toronto scientists have
developed new tech. for solar panels to receive up to 5 times the
energy of other panels. The panel itself will be able to be painted
on cars or on clothes. As people buy such clothes (say in less than
five years) it will sink into the hearts and minds of people.

As all this evolves it will then be easier to manufacture new forms
of energy collectors. But we are not there yet. We are at the stage
of R&D. It will take time to introduce to society. The truth needs to
be shown many times independently on a small scale. Society will only
receive these things slowly. I think most of us are still at the
place where we are becoming used to the idea of these new
technologies. Most are not ready to take the next step. We need to
understand what we are working with before that next step. I think it
would be a few years before someone will be able to sell a larger FE
machine. And I can see that it is doubtful that we will be given some
kind of circuit that will easily produce larger amounts of radiant
energy without essential understanding of how it works in order to
tune the particular parts we gather to build it (as all parts will
vary). All the parts must be understood in order to not contradict
the function of everything. It is easy to miss something due to
ignorance of some, say, property of batteries.

In the little I know about all the difficulties mentioned above I
think that it is all very complex. We need to be patient and
thankful. We need to take the time to put ourselves in other people's
shoes and look a the big picture. What is the big picture.

THE END OF THE WORLD!!! This is what some people believe. From a
natural perspective I understand that concern. We have world leaders
lusting after war, power companies loving slavery and the same wars,
greed, hatred and worse and worse moral corruption. We have an empire
running mad with credit which is about to pop. The times are similar
to the collapse of the Roman empire and others before that.
Technology and communications have brought all this evil to our eyes
as in no other day. Thus it seems worse today than in the days of
Noah! Must be the end some say. I no longer think that way. While it
may be the end of chapter of history, and devastating things may
happen, the end of the world craze is partly based on ignorance of
history and propaganda, or deeper than propaganda, rather a
philosophy mingled into our culture (in religion, politics, and
entertainment). That philosophy promotes rashness, ignorance, and
hinders scientific patience necessary for investigation, etc. I don't
want to insult anyone who believes they have strong evidence for the
end of the world. I used to believe that way from looking around me
and from people showing things from the bible. I wont try and bring
out my theological reasons for rejecting that theory, and so distract
from this list. But I do want to mention what I have to help
encourage us all to patiently investigate this project (and essential
to this is giving all respect to John in taking us where he will in
his timing). So I say that from the bible perspective, as once very
much caught up in the these-are-the-last-of-the-last-days mentality,
I no longer see that the evidence given for that perspective amounts
to PROOF (anymore than it did to numerous generations previous to
ours), and that I actually see evidence amounting to PROOF from the
bible saying there will be yet a coming day of peace and
righteousness in the earth of 1000 years or more (brought about not
by force or hypocritical right-wing warmongering evangelicals or the
like, or immoral compromisors on the other side, but by the plain
form of religion that was so effective in changing the world for
better so many times before. For more info on my perspective see the
last chapters of Revelation in the bible or contact me about the
matter. I publish some rare classic history books on the subject.)
But as I hope for better days, I still am concerned about the hear
and now. I see that we are all responsible for our actions, and we
will reap what we sow. And the good often fall with the bad in
societies. And it very well could get a whole lot worse before it
gets better. Yet according to my faith (which is based upon evidence
amounting to proof of the authority of the bible, and not by mere
prejudice as is the case with most professing christians) I see a
better day, and have studied history to see how God has frustrated
the plans of many people and turned horrible situations into
something better. I do see that where modern technology is very
dangerous in the hands of reckless people, such as Christian or
Muslim terrorists, or whoever, or for that matter democracy is also
dangerous when the people are ignorant and corrupt, I do see a day
where such things will be for the good of the people.

WHAT I AM GETTING AT IS that Technology and democracy and many things
are not the answer we are looking for on earth. There is a bigger
picture that is more important. Such good things can be great evils.
Take for example camera surveillance. It has many benefits if those
watching are 'good guys'. But if they are not, then such surveillance
throughout the land could enslave everyone. The technology is not
right or wrong in itself, but it makes all the difference in the
world who is using it. This relates to us in this project. Who we are
and where are we going. Beyond this list we need to ask ourselves
what is the big picture? Freedom is the cry on the streets today.
Freedom to vote (when the votes are actually manipulated), freedom to
say whatever we want (when we do what we can to prevent people from
speaking against ourselves or values), freedom to put into our bodies
whatever we wish (when we then demand help from the consequences),
freedom to do whatever we like (so long as all other people do not
have as much freedom to violate what we like), and, for this list,
freedom to produce as much free energy as is possible (but have we
considered process necessary for us to be ready to handle that?),
etc., etc., etc. While good people may rightly want to have free
energy for noble reasons, nevertheless I can imagine the risks
involved when the state of society is as it is. Until selfishness is
checked in the earth, and people live as they were meant to live, and
not as animals seeking survival of the fittest, or worse, knowing the
good but ignoring it for power and lust, and looking only at the hear
and now instead of the big picture, until people in society and
churches honestly begin treating their neighbors as they wish to be
treated, the good things in life will only be evil to them and those
around them. Good character is essential. There is no trusting anyone
unless they have such a character. Very few people presently live who
even believe it is possible to be totally honest and unselfish in
this world. It is not popular even in the churches who claim to
believe the book that tells them to be that way! And so long as we
want the freedom to do what we will, we will not be happy, and we
will continue to be slaves of ourselves and of oppressive governments.

This free energy subject is very much connected to politics and
religion and ethics. If we do not understand the history of slavery
and abuse of power in nations we will not understand our times or the
history of science. We will probably end up misdirected in efforts to
fight against corruption. And the answer is not in merely
understanding why corruption takes place in high places and prevents
liberties and technologies on earth, but in dealing with the
fundamental matters of character. Correct the character of mankind
and nearly all are problems are answered. And this begins at home.
This is the ultimate goal we should have. Of course that is another
subject, especially how to do that. My point is that there is more to
science than a technique. There is more at stake than saving a few $
personally. Everyone in the world knows we have a problem. People in
the world are generally not responsible enough for the good things
they crave and use. They want to consume for personal gratification
(and many of the giving to others is but a deceitful form of that
lust). The more we get the more miserable we are if our character is
at heart selfish. Whatever the case is in Iran (I have my own views),
it is like the way the US looks at Iran in building nuc. energy. They
want it for power, but the US assumes other evil intentions. If the
US was right then Iran would be a threat to the good of others. The
US assumes the US is good and that is good enough reason to have such
power (as well as weapons). Whatever the case may be, I use this as
an analogy for the bigger picture. We all live in a day where the
world has at its fingertips what it never had before. Such things can
be very useful for good or bad people. For the good people such
things will promote more good to others. For bad people it will
promote more slavery, corruption and death in the world.

So is the world ready to benefit from more advances? Are people ready
to have more freedom to do what they want? This is the big picture we
can't answer in this list. But we can think about it in relation to
the small projects we are involved with. I don't know John or Peter
anymore than any of you. But I imagine that they would have some good
reasons to be careful with what they share.

I also think that if anyone has anything to say about marketing,
patents, rights, etc., or about other devices that they should
contact John personally or through his web site, and not distract
from this project as directed by John. The history of science is
filled with stories of the race for money and fame, as well as large
organizations controlling how new discoveries are prevented or used
in society. The answer to bringing free energy to the world, whether
it be solar, wind, water, or air, will not be as easy as making a
device and telling everyone about it. It will take time to overcome
obstacles: prejudice, greed, desires for fame and control, and most
of all, the root of selfishness and unrighteousness in the world. If
we do not seek to remove all those obstacles we will just end up
frustrated, defeated, and worse off.

One thing I would propose, which I was interested mentioning before
is: Would people be interested in visiting each other. Especially can
those less knowledgeable about electronics, and with less resources,
visit others with working machines? As I have already given my
website, as others have, I have made my location known. I would like
to visit some people eventually, and I suppose others might be
interested in doing the same. Perhaps people could learn to work
together more on this project if they visited each other. I know that
I could benefit from such visits and learn how to use testing
equipment, etc. Learning this way is much better than words.
Likewise, videos are so important. If people are open for me to come
and see their machines I would be interested in them contacting me
personally.

Hope this helps.

Respectfully,
Rick

> I don't know if there might be a small language issue here or not,
so
> I thought I'd chime in on this.
>
> "Public domain" means that something is owned by the general publc
and
> can be freely used, reproduced and sold without requiring any
> permission or license from the inventor or any other person or
entity.
>
> I am wondering if by "public domain" you mean that all the
INFORMATION
> about this technology is freely available to the public. There is
a
> big difference. If all the information is made available and
> independently reproduced, then this technology will never be lost.
> This does not mean that the public owns the technology and can
profit
> on it without permission or license from the creators.
>
> There is no reason why someone such as John shouldn't profit from
all
> his research & his work over the last 30 years. However, it is his
and
> any licensee's social responsibility to be fair about its sale &
> distribution, otherwise it is just as bad as a controlled energy
such
> as oil.
>
> John has allowed us in on his technology, almost making this a kind
of
> "open source" project. He has no obligation to do so. But if
several
> of us can validate his claims, skepticism will soon fade. I am here
to
> try to reproduce the phenomenon, and learn all I can about it so I
can
> say without a doubt that this is real. Please respect John and
allow
> him to teach us all he can without discussions of ownership.
>
> This post is not directed at anyone in particular, and not intended
to
> flame anyone here. I would just like to urge all to stay on topic
> (the SG motor/energizer) and keep this discussion as academic as
> possible.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>