I do not mean to contradict what John and Peter stated. They said that even though we have found a solid state resonance in this Bedini SG (simplified) circuit, it was not designed to work as such, and that other modifications need to be made to optimize the non-rotation resonance variation. They wish for us to focus on this circuit as designed -- rotating wheel powered by input battery causing output batteries to be charged. John also commented that the wave form that Jim reported does not look like the wave form they get when things are operating properly.
That said, I would like to report by way of information that I have observed that on a purely electrical basis, speaking of amps and volts, putting aside the question of radiant energy, I have found that THE CIRCUIT OPERATES MORE EFFICIENTLY IN SOLID STATE MODE THAN IN ROTATION MODE.
The amps IN versus amps OUT ratio is significantly more favorable in the rotation mode than in the solid state mode.
In my present experiment 10.0 (supercharging all the batteries), for example, I am switching between solid state mode and rotation mode, all other things remaining the same. The input battery is the same battery through the duration of the supercharging (with trickle charge when needed to keep it above the 20% discharge level), with five batteries being charged on the output side.
The highest output combination I have been able to get in rotation mode (adjusting potentiometer to find max amps) is 0.37 amps into the circuit, producing 0.08 amps out to the batteries, with the wheel rotating at around 176 rpm. This is a 22% conversion of input energy to output energy (on a purely electrical level, leaving out the question or possibility of radiant energy not being picked up by the meters).
The highest output combination I have been able to get in solid state mode is 0.11 amps in, which produces 0.04 amps out to the batteries being charged. This is a 36% conversion of input energy to output energy.
The highest output combination I have been able to get in solid state mode is 0.11 amps in, which produces 0.04 amps out to the batteries being charged. This is a 36% conversion of input energy to output energy.
On a purely electrical level, this shows the solid state charge to be nearly 30% more efficient than the rotation based charge, as would be expected inasmuch as the rotation charge involves energy losses in the rotation of the wheel.
I would like to go through my data and tabulate the input/output amp relationship and see if I can't get some kind of graph produced from the composite regarding electrical efficiency. Of course it is not the plain electrical phenomenon that is of interest to us here. We are after the radiant energy.
Has anyone taken oscilloscope shots from the rotating wheel output? How do they compare to scope shots from the solid state output? Are there harmonic regions where the signal modifies its shape? Or does the signal change gradually with the change in resistance of the resistor in the circuit?
Sterling
----- Original Message -----
From: "jimsiwek32" <jimsiwek32@...>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:26 PM
Subject: [Bedini_SG] Re: (posted) Solid state resonance; why
Thanks Sterling, I will update the page when I get the actual SG motor
working. I received my wheel rim today, so I think I have everything
I need to start putting this together.
I understand now why the wheel is necessary. The SS resonance is a
neat little side experiment, but doesn't work to charge the batteries
(at least not in a reasonable time frame as you mention) and does not
do what it needs to do to tap into any quantity of RE
Hopefully I'll have something to show this weekend, or maybe the
beginning of next week.
Jim
--- In Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com, "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@p...
> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I've posted a page for you. Feel free to keep it updated as you get
more
> information.
>
> http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bedini_SG:Replications:Jim
>
> Regarding your question:
> > I think someone brought this up already, but since the
oscillations
> > are possible without the wheel, do we really need the wheel? Or
is
> > the point of this experiment that we can actually do (output) work
> > (ft-lbs) while we are charging batteries at the same time?
>
> I'm glad I have the wheel to do higher current charging when I'm
doing
> multiple batteries at once, so it doesn't take so long.
>
> The higher the frequency, the lower the current.
>
> Maybe we will eventually find out how/why that is desirable.
Meanwhile, I'm
> ready to get to my next experiment (after supercharging) of playing
around
> with multiple batteries on the back end rotating in turn to the
front end.
>
> I don't think any of us have done that one yet (other than John and
Peter).
> Peter said he saw John do that one for six months.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jimsiwek32" <jimsiwek32@y...>
> To: <Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:47 AM
> Subject: [Bedini_SG] Solid state resonance
>
>
>
>
> Hi all, been reading the messages here for some time, but this is my
> first post.
>
> I haven't received all the parts yet to build the full SG motor, but
> I
> did manage get enough parts to build a circuit that achieves solid
> state resonance.
>
> I used a 12V power supply as the source voltage, and in the first
> part
> of the experiment, did not connect any output batteries (making sure
> to connect the neon lamp across the transistor collector & emitter).
> I hooked up a 220 ohm resistor in series with a 50k pot, so that
when
> playing with the pot, I never have less than 220 ohms into the base
> of
> the transitor, to avoid too much input current.
>
> After making all the connections & turning the power supply on, I
was
> able to easily break into solid state resonance by quickly waving a
> magnet over the coil to get it started. The oscillations were
> audible,
> and if I turned the pot down, the frequency would decrease, if i
> turned it up, the frequency would increase. There was a low-end
> cutoff point right around 11k ohms where the oscillation could not
> sustain itsself anymore and I would have to increase the resistance
> and start it back up manually with the magnet. The amplitude of the
> resonance would peak right at that cutoff point, and the neon bulb
> would also glow the brightest at this point.
>
> I took some measurements at a point very close to this cutoff point,
> and the amplitude was about 112V p-p, with a period of about 0.4 ms
> (2500 Hz). I took a picture of my scope and have added it to the
> photos section. At this point, the power supply was putting out
about
> 70 ma at 12 V.
>
> One very strage phenomenon I noticed while playing with this
circuit,
> if I had resonance, cut the power, then restored power, it would
> resonate right away without the need to manually restart with the
> magnet. However, if I turned down the resistance into the base of
> the
> transistor below 11k so the oscillations would stop, then turned the
> resistance back up into the resonant range, cut power, then restored
> power, I would have to restart manually with the magnet. The circuit
> seems to have a "last state" memory of sorts.
>
> I then hooked up the charging battery (two 6V lead acid batteries in
> series), and it was much harder to start solid state resonance.
After
> several minutes of trial and error, I found that if I atually struck
> the magnet on the coil core, I could get resonance as long as the
> base
> resistor was within its working range.
>
> The waveform was very different than the first. I got about 27 V
p-p
> across the base & emitter of the transistor at about 6500 Hz, with
> the
> source voltage at 12.8 volts, putting out around 10 mA. I got a 0 mA
> current reading into the batteries. The waveform was not smooth like
> it was without the charging battery. It was non-uniform and was
> clipping on 1/2 the waveform. I have also added a picture of my
scope
> output for this.
>
> Since it is so late, I did not do any charging experiments, but I am
> anxious to see if the battieries charge even though I am getting a
> zero current reading into the charging battery.
>
> I think someone brought this up already, but since the oscillations
> are possible without the wheel, do we really need the wheel? Or is
> the point of this experiment that we can actually do (output) work
> (ft-lbs) while we are charging batteries at the same time?
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
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