Miki,
> I completely disagree with this decision. You've been the most
> important and the best moderator of this group.
Thanks for helping me. Couldn't have done it without you.
>Sometimes, it's
> difficult to understand JB. I think that's why you thought he wanted
> the group name changed.
It's been hinted at so many times. March 4th to JP:
"Maybe you should change the name of this group to something more
suitable to
your liking." 10490
You can find many more "hints" from various people that go way back.
It doesn't become sarcastic after hearing it over and over in my mind.
I thought it would be best. I thought it was what he wanted and still
may want, I don't think he is 100% happy here and wanted his name off of
this group. So, to everyone that thought I "spat" in his face, that is
the most UNTRUE thing I can possibly think of!!!!!!!!!!!! JB know's that
is not true and I guess that's all that really matters.
>Even if we provide some special protection for
> JB, the group core philosophy (freedom of thoughts and expression)
> should not change.
It shouldn't change.
> I think it's important we cover JB against personal attacks and
> disrespect.
And there should be no personal attacks against anyone too.
>However, the technological aspect of things should stay
> open.
Yes, and I guess I like multi-tasking ideas better than some...That's
me.
>If someone can prove that JB's tech can yield OU, then this
> should be welcoming news. But if someone can prove to the contrary,
> then that person should be allowed to provide his proof also.
I agree.
> I believe one can prove or disprove something without insults and
> personal attacks.
Yes.
> I also think if you quit over a miscommunication,
Bottom line, no insult was ever intended.
>then that would very unfortunate. Please, stay you're this group
pillar.
Thanks for the kind words Miki,
Joe
> Thanks,
>
> Miki.
>
>
> --- In Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com, "joe_1001101" acg_1001@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > >It's a hobby that is turning into something that a
> > > hobby shouldn't feel like. If the good hobby feeling is lost, then
> > what
> > > is the point?
> >
> >
> > I really need a long vacation. I need to get that hobby feeling back
> > somewhere.
> >
> > I am resigning my moderator position today.
> >
> > Most of the ride here has been good, there are a lot of good people
> > here!
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Joe
> >
>
I want to sincerely thank everyone on this group for their posts and
help. I have come so far from building a small prototype SSG to now
building a 20" SSG with plans for up to 8 coils in the future. I also
feel the need to deeply thank Mr. John Bedini for his persistence in
helping us out with group comments that benefit all of us with his 40+
years of experience.
I have been putting so many hours into my SSG that I believe it has
become more than a hobby at this point. It is pure interesting
scientific research since it is a fairly new discovered energy that is
not understood well yet (not that electron flow is actually really
"understood well" either), and to be a part of the research on a
personal level is very exciting. Radiant energy seems to have many
capabilities, and we are just at the tip of the iceberg I believe.
Last night, I was quite frustrated as I am now running 2 tri-filar
wound coils, with one trigger coil firing all 5 transistors. I took
the circuitry for the SSG and simply modified it so it would fire all
5 transistors, 3 on 1 coil and 2 on the other, and started to run into
problems. The machine still produces h-waves, still charges, runs at a
very high RPM now, but its behavior has changed from running just the
one coil to two dramatically. Adjusting the potentiometer now almost
seems to set a cut off at this point instead of adding more pulses per
magnet pass as it did in the past, and doesn't seem to adjust the
speed much anymore. The oscilloscope has become an invaluable tool in
troubleshooting. I agree a scope isn't necessary when starting out
with one coil, but it certainly helps to understand what is actually
happening.
I have found new hope since coming across some posts on here with
people dealing with the same issues. Now that I found John's schematic
for multiple coils in "Mart's SSG World" under the files section on
here, I am going to re-wire my SSG in hopes of solving these issues. I
will post some photos and scope shots very soon hopefully and would
like any suggestions or constructive criticism. This particular
schematic can be found here:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/files/Mart%27s%20SSG%20World/
and then click on mulit-coil.jpg. I hope yahoo does the link well, as
I had trouble with previous links in other posts.
The energizer still at this point charges batteries very well, it is
just difficult to grasp what is really happening since we are only
able to observe so much. I will post results after re-wiring the
circuitry with a trigger, master, and the other slave coils properly.
Again, thank you everyone for your help and patience. If anyone can
reply with similar experiences running multiple coils as well, it
would greatly help.
Joe,
I feel your frustration as moderator, as I too have moderated Yahoo!
groups in the past...and too walked away from it. However, I really
don't think you should, as you will likely see from others asking you
to stay on.
Don't let anyone tell you how to moderate!
And remember to always have fun with this...or at least try. It's a
healthy approach I think, and we all might better be equipped with
such an approach.
Thanks,
Jeff
--- In Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <mikefurness2002@...> wrote:
>
> Miki,
> I concur!
> I really hope that Joe will reconsider, and I may write privately
to him
> on this issue!
>
> This group needs people like him, and you, and JP!
>
> Hopefully Joe will dally a little longer, to see what actually
> transpires, if anything!
>
> Mike.
>
> Mike. J. Furness.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com]
On
> Behalf Of miki02131
> Sent: 20 March 2008 17:45
> To: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Bedini_SG] Re: no insult at all
>
> Joe,
>
> I completely disagree with this decision. You've been the most
> important and the best moderator of this group. Sometimes, it's
> difficult to understand JB. I think that's why you thought he wanted
> the group name changed. Even if we provide some special protection
for
> JB, the group core philosophy (freedom of thoughts and expression)
> should not change.
>
> I think it's important we cover JB against personal attacks and
> disrespect. However, the technological aspect of things should stay
> open. If someone can prove that JB's tech can yield OU, then this
> should be welcoming news. But if someone can prove to the contrary,
> then that person should be allowed to provide his proof also.
>
> I believe one can prove or disprove something without insults and
> personal attacks.
>
> I also think if you quit over a miscommunication, then that would
very
> unfortunate. Please, stay you're this group pillar.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Miki.
>
> --- In Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com,
> "joe_1001101" <acg_1001@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >It's a hobby that is turning into something that a
> > > hobby shouldn't feel like. If the good hobby feeling is lost,
then
> > what
> > > is the point?
> >
> >
> > I really need a long vacation. I need to get that hobby feeling
back
> > somewhere.
> >
> > I am resigning my moderator position today.
> >
> > Most of the ride here has been good, there are a lot of good
people
> > here!
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Joe
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
All,
I am posting this topic in a new thread in order not to ignite
potentially volatile individuals...don't need any new enemies showing
up on my doorstep.
Mike,
Okay, I think I remember you discussing this with me briefly before
in the now-extinct Electrogravity Research group a while back.
The link was easy to access, I just copied the URL into MS Word and
deleted any spaces, then clicked.
While I do not think it is necessary to tell me/us the name of the
fundor, your comment stating the $4mil kind of walked me into it, and
I don't see why it should be secret...it's just a high speed
alternator, right? Just thought to myself while reading your post
that if someone were to drop such a large fund into a project, then
they must have a purpose and likely a papertrail. The papertrail is
important to me as I am studying the process of getting funding for
my own research efforts. If you have met with success in the past,
then I could learn from it. No harm meant.
See, you and I have discussed many topics in the past, and one that
has come up more than once is your discouragement of the patent
process, due to the fascist-minded oppression of new technology.
There
are likely two schools of thought on this: 1) the governments of the
western world are secretic and evil and potentially the most hateful,
alien-cahooted organizations that have even been established in all
history; and they are the patent-squashers once a patent is filed.
In which case, I would rather die a thousand deaths than to share a
single-word conversation with anyone from such a group, and would
probably land myself in jail upon meeting one of them, considering
what SHOULD be done to one of these people. Or 2) The patent process
is
simply complicated, and this is further complicated through fear by
greedy businessmen whose main interest is to protect their assets and
business ventures by scaring people from the in-place government
infrastructures who have measures to protect society from such
monopolies.
There are possibly other schools of thought, mainly: 3) this is
just a Yahoo! group where everyone tries to be something other than
they are and have no shame in lying blatently, pretending to be
someone other than who they really are, generally because they are
not happy with who they REALLY are. So confused statements just pop
up from time to time and shouldn't be taken any more seriously than a
primetime sit-com.
I myself am trying to investigate what technology is NEW and
which is OLD. I also am trying to investigate Internet identities,
as we all are aware, most Internet users are existing under
pseudonyms, and many of them claim to be wealthy
financiers...losers. Of
course, anyone with any experience in business can usually see them
coming a mile away...but it doesn't stop them from coming, just like
those Living Dead films.
Now, if you care to discuss the technology behind your alternator, I
would be very interested, as one thing is certain in my mind from our
many online discussions (and our one phone call), that you DO know
your EE standards. Much respect for that.
Thanks,
Jeff
Hello Jeff,
Answer 1. Kerosene
Answer two, link to file, PDF picture. In Group files, under my name
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/MLTiR8gI86LR8Mm29TrpMSJYGFUfnYGurt7lFOZW3
q3
30ILugIewuAc5HTRpAkIZQgxDyuYWETYV8oDQl1S1_CSYxjD5u7jIMwEP5FpO/MikeFurn
es
s/90K%20turbine%20%20alternator.PDF
Now, how Yahoo will handle a link this long, I don't know, but you
have
enough information to find it yourself, if the link is corrupt!
Regarding the fundor, I'm not sure that it is good, prudent, or
necessary to tell his name.
Maybe you could tell me why you seek this information?
Mike.
Mike. J. Furness.
Miki,
I concur!
I really hope that Joe will reconsider, and I may write privately to him
on this issue!
This group needs people like him, and you, and JP!
Hopefully Joe will dally a little longer, to see what actually
transpires, if anything!
Mike.
Mike. J. Furness.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of miki02131
Sent: 20 March 2008 17:45
To: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Bedini_SG] Re: no insult at all
Joe,
I completely disagree with this decision. You've been the most
important and the best moderator of this group. Sometimes, it's
difficult to understand JB. I think that's why you thought he wanted
the group name changed. Even if we provide some special protection for
JB, the group core philosophy (freedom of thoughts and expression)
should not change.
I think it's important we cover JB against personal attacks and
disrespect. However, the technological aspect of things should stay
open. If someone can prove that JB's tech can yield OU, then this
should be welcoming news. But if someone can prove to the contrary,
then that person should be allowed to provide his proof also.
I believe one can prove or disprove something without insults and
personal attacks.
I also think if you quit over a miscommunication, then that would very
unfortunate. Please, stay you're this group pillar.
Thanks,
Miki.
--- In Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com,
"joe_1001101" <acg_1001@...> wrote:
>
>
> >It's a hobby that is turning into something that a
> > hobby shouldn't feel like. If the good hobby feeling is lost, then
> what
> > is the point?
>
>
> I really need a long vacation. I need to get that hobby feeling back
> somewhere.
>
> I am resigning my moderator position today.
>
> Most of the ride here has been good, there are a lot of good people
> here!
>
> Thank you,
>
> Joe
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Miki,
Please I do not need any cover here, I have given my theory on the SG, Joe just
reacted
too fast to My post. I just said I was not going to take any more suitable
insults , and I
won't. The Original SG group was about the SG Energizer no confusion about
anything, no
other projects but the energizer. Sterling was told exactly what Peter and I
were giving to
this group.
If Sterling wants to allow mass confusion here then nothing will ever be done.
When the group was formed I could never understand why Sterling would just let
people
attack Me, I found out, it's news, that is all that counts. I have no desire to
stay here in
mass confusion jumping from one subject to the next on a whim. The original
header was
to explore John Bedini's SG technology As I said I was Kicked off two times
before Joe
took over his position here. Some one changed the whole SG group and the words
in the
header, would Sterling do that? Sterling determined that I just fed him table
scraps, and
when he could not trade the batteries around in the SG it did not work. So why
continue? I
find 100 top technologies on his pages build them, see if you can build the
magnet
motors that are claimed, see if you can increase your gas milage, see if you can
build the
Flynn device, for that matter build the wind turbines and the water heaters.
My suggestion to you and others is, Change the name of the group, make it
private
remove all the SG stuff that has my name on it and I will call it quits with
this group and
will remove my permission to do anything with the SG since it's a patented
device. You
need to go to Sterling about this, say anything you want Im fine with that no
feelings hurt
in anyway. If you want to explore Tesla Technologies then talk about Tesla and
everything
else. Believe me I won't come back to say one word unless someone starts
defaming me. I
can not suggest anything else at all. The group must make that decision not
John. I have
given all I could for far too long here and have ignored my other groups that
want to
learn.
John B
--- In Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com, "miki02131" <miki02131@...> wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> I completely disagree with this decision. You've been the most
> important and the best moderator of this group. Sometimes, it's
> difficult to understand JB. I think that's why you thought he wanted
> the group name changed. Even if we provide some special protection for
> JB, the group core philosophy (freedom of thoughts and expression)
> should not change.
>
> I think it's important we cover JB against personal attacks and
> disrespect. However, the technological aspect of things should stay
> open. If someone can prove that JB's tech can yield OU, then this
> should be welcoming news. But if someone can prove to the contrary,
> then that person should be allowed to provide his proof also.
>
> I believe one can prove or disprove something without insults and
> personal attacks.
>
> I also think if you quit over a miscommunication, then that would very
> unfortunate. Please, stay you're this group pillar.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Miki.
>
>
> --- In Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com, "joe_1001101" <acg_1001@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >It's a hobby that is turning into something that a
> > > hobby shouldn't feel like. If the good hobby feeling is lost, then
> > what
> > > is the point?
> >
> >
> > I really need a long vacation. I need to get that hobby feeling back
> > somewhere.
> >
> > I am resigning my moderator position today.
> >
> > Most of the ride here has been good, there are a lot of good people
> > here!
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Joe
> >
>
Hello Jeff,
Answer 1. Kerosene
Answer two, link to file, PDF picture. In Group files, under my name
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/MLTiR8gI86LR8Mm29TrpMSJYGFUfnYGurt7lFOZW3q3
30ILugIewuAc5HTRpAkIZQgxDyuYWETYV8oDQl1S1_CSYxjD5u7jIMwEP5FpO/MikeFurnes
s/90K%20turbine%20%20alternator.PDF
Now, how Yahoo will handle a link this long, I don't know, but you have
enough information to find it yourself, if the link is corrupt!
Regarding the fundor, I'm not sure that it is good, prudent, or
necessary to tell his name.
Maybe you could tell me why you seek this information?
Mike.
Mike. J. Furness.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jeffrey N Cook
Sent: 20 March 2008 10:53
To: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Bedini_SG] Re: Good reading, -before it all started to loose
touch like now...
Mike,
I couldn't find the setup for this. And who funded the $4 mil? And
what powered the turbine?
Thanks,
Jeff
--- In Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com,
"Mike" <mikefurness2002@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff,
> Almost correct; the detail was done with the great
assistance
> of one Martin Harris from Southampton University, now retired.
> It was no toy, and took $4,000,000 to get that far, there is a
picture
> somewhere in this group of the setup!
>
> We were one of the first people to make prestressed Carbon fibre
> containment hoops for the rotor, at approx 3inches, each of the
rotating
> magnets weighed 19 tons at this speed! Balance was ABSOLUTELY
critical,
> with "first and second critical speeds" having to be tuned to even
> allow it not to self destruct during acceleration!
>
> As a mathematician, maybe you can tell us all about critical speeds?
>
> I left all this aspect to specialist people!
>
> Mike.
>
> Mike. J. Furness.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com
[mailto:Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com]
On
> Behalf Of Jeffrey N Cook
> Sent: 20 March 2008 02:30
> To: Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com
> Subject: [Bedini_SG] Re: Good reading, -before it all started to
loose
> touch like now...
>
> Mike,
>
> What on God's good earth does this mean?
>
> "PS, alternator and Turbine was 90k RPM!"
>
> Last year I mentioned that I had timed an alternator of mine to 27k
> RPM and you told me this was "impossible"...even though the motor
was
> rated as such. You told me any alternator would break apart in a
> violently dangerous way at such RPMs. Uh...huh? Well, anyway...
>
> Maybe I am missing something. Are you now stating you have designed
> an alternator and turbine at 90k RPM?
>
> I don't think you're a plant. I just don't understand what you
meant
> by this. What are you talking about?
>
> Jeff
>
> --- In Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com,
> "Mike" <mikefurness2002@> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Stevan, for your kind words!
> >
> > Entirely Correct!
> >
> > I'm not a spy, or a plant, or on a mission; merely, exactly as
you
> say!
> >
> > Some here, I do find a little difficult, like the last post I
> answered,
> > which berated me for wanting to use 'conventional' labels, making
it
> > easier for all to understand!
> > For example, I know that SOME, including some published work,
> consider
> > 'Radiant Energy' to be something entirely different!
> > Unfortunately, just because something is published, it doesn't
make
> it
> > correct; a trap so many fall into!
> > I particularly remember all the books (money of course!)
concerning
> if
> > the Americans really went to the moon. One particular cornerstone
> > picture shows a letter on a rock; in recent analysis, it's not on
> the
> > original, and is a piece of body hair which got into the printer!
> >
> > I haven't answered before, owing to the HUGE flurry of posts
during
> the
> > last few hours, sorry about that!
> >
> > I'm about to go to the office now, more detailed response later,
I
> will
> > briefly answer the post concerning current measurement!
> >
> > This is a classic tale of JB's inability to describe things in an
> > understandable way (NO disrespect!!!)... Which is ,of course the
> > fundamental reason for us all to use the correct words and
> definitions!
> >
> > I THINK JB is trying to explain to us that he considers there's
> more to
> > an electric current than we are able to perceive? Maybe he's
> right, but
> > classical physics does tell us the exact charge of an electron,
and
> it
> > always, SO FAR, fits with reality! Maybe this is the area from
which
> > 'unexplained phenomena' MAY appear?
> >
> > JB then tells us the way current is measured, describing the
classic
> > 'Moving Coil' instruments of his day!
> >
> > Every current needs a voltage 'pressure' to cause current to
flow,
> so,
> > you want to measure 10 amps in a DELICATE instrument, you place a
> very
> > low, high current resistor (usually called 'SHUNT') in the
circuit,
> and
> > the few millivolts developed across it is sufficient to drive a
> current
> > of MICROAMPS through the coil, which is in a magnetic field, and
> > retained by springs, hence a given voltage will drive a certain
> current,
> > and the spring will allow a certain meter deflection only!
> >
> > Today's digital meters, still basically work the same way,
excepting
> > that the small voltage goes to a 'calibrated amplifier' and then a
> > digital display! Huge advantage, is that all can easily read
> voltages
> > or currents to maybe 3 places of decimal! Disadvantage, is with a
> > changing voltage, endless rolling digits are not so nice as a
slowly
> > changing 'pointer instrument'.
> >
> > Today, at office, I will have some time to work on both my plasma
> > generator, AND the mosfet design for you!
> >
> > Due to last week's violent weather, and electrical storm, the
> internet
> > isn't working (maybe today?) at office, so I only get any
messages
> when
> > I get home in the evening. PS, alternator and Turbine was 90k RPM!
> >
> > Have a good day,
> >
> > Mike.
> >
> > Mike. J. Furness.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com
> [mailto:Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com]
>
> On
> > Behalf Of Stevan C.
> > Sent: 18 March 2008 12:19
> > To: Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com
> > Subject: [Bedini_SG] Good reading, -before it all started to
loose
> touch
> > like now...
> >
> > Jack R Welch wrote:
> > > Clinton
> > > I have been on this group since day one!
> > > Just go to the files section build the energizer as
> instructed.And do
> > not comment on things you nothing about like Mike F.--jw
> > >
> > This is to Mike Furness,
> >
> > Mike,
> > one just might leave an impression on people, even unintended.
> >
> > It seems that here are people (whom I respect, as same, too) that
> have
> > an impression of You that differs from mine.
> >
> > Mine is:
> >
> > A. Mike is here to find and isolate the "essential something" of
> the
> > Bedini's device,
> > B. Work it out in detail (do that SSG build then...)
> > C. Explain it in EE terms (Mike F. is "field EE not classroom EE
<--
> who
> >
> > can tell the difference, knows what I'm talking about")
> > D. Share the findings (I hope with this group, but who knows... ;-
> ) )
> > E. Move on, as always before to the next topic.
> >
> > The group (we in this view) have managed to do following to Mike:
> >
> > 1. Make Mike very disappointed (to crkapot-ish) by our loose
> approach
> > (I'm talking about a group that makes 2 week digressions about
> without
> > moderation and expects respect for it :-D !)
> > 2. Make him (Mike) wonder if we are moving toward something, or
> just
> > making "pots and cracking them" for fun?
> > 3. Make flame-wars with him (You said that -I said that -You
> said...)
> > 4. Disregarded his mileage in building stuff: he knows lead acid
> > batteries too, has business in a marina with more than a dozen of
> LAbs
> > and chargers of very advanced (but yes conventional) sort.
> >
> > And some of respected us in this group (me included) forget some
> fact
> > re: Mike F.:
> >
> > a. He had build a quite few designs, that are by far more complex
> and
> > "tricky" than a SSG - he has built a 50k RPM! generator - anyone
> top
> > this here, then talk to Mike F. ;-) like that.
> > b. He had been in projects with really dense and high energy
> devices, he
> >
> > saw lots of stuff just like John B. - they two can be a match -
I'm
> > personally way below that league - I can admit this to my self.
> > c. He has the needed conventional expertise and reputation that
can
> > really help this group a lot (to say the least)
> > d. I would not take so much as he did from this group (I can't
> know, but
> >
> > he packed a lot).
> > e. He is not SHOUTING when he uses capital letters - he is simply
> to
> > LAZY to use other forms, and misses ITALIC or _underline_ - too
> much
> > exposure to M$ word ;-)...
> >
> > Why I write this all?
> >
> > I have to ask Mike once more favor:
> >
> > Mike, I know You will build the SSG as soon as You see a good
> reason for
> >
> > doing so. If one has built as much as You, he can hardly see any
> one
> > more design fit to enlighten him. Especially a simple one like an
> SSG.
> >
> > I understand You on this one.
> >
> > So, I ask You to do a readout for me, and to comment (inline if
> > possible) to a old post:
> >
> > http://tech.
> <http://tech.
> <http://tech.
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/1640>
groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/1640>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/1640>
> > groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/1640
> >
> > The question here is not if You can cut it down : the opposite:
> >
> > The question is: can You investigate this for me (-us- the
group),
> with
> > an _open mind_ - as I lack the needed expertise You have.
> >
> > there are other posts too:
> > http://tech.
> <http://tech.
> <http://tech.
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7342>
groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7342>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7342>
> > groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7342
> > http://tech.
> <http://tech.
> <http://tech.
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7341>
groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7341>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7341>
> > groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7341
> >
> > If You are in the mood to comment them.
> >
> > Sincerely
> > Stevan
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Joe, thank You for Your (moderate) moderation,
I vote You stay, as You've done a good Job.
thank You for that good job!
Stevan
miki02131 wrote:
> Joe,
>
> I completely disagree with this decision. You've been the most
> important and the best moderator of this group. Sometimes, it's
> difficult to understand JB. I think that's why you thought he wanted
> the group name changed. Even if we provide some special protection for
> JB, the group core philosophy (freedom of thoughts and expression)
> should not change.
>
> I think it's important we cover JB against personal attacks and
> disrespect. However, the technological aspect of things should stay
> open. If someone can prove that JB's tech can yield OU, then this
> should be welcoming news. But if someone can prove to the contrary,
> then that person should be allowed to provide his proof also.
>
> I believe one can prove or disprove something without insults and
> personal attacks.
>
> I also think if you quit over a miscommunication, then that would very
> unfortunate. Please, stay you're this group pillar.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Miki.
>
>
>
Mr. John Bedini,
I did as You asked, I put a air-cored coil around the output wire
of the SSG, coaxially.
I saw spikes on the coil - i measured them on the scope, but no "slopes", just
the "leading edges".
EE's tend to call this "filtered" "capacitive" coupling.
I wonder how just the "spike" couples, and the "slope" dissapear w/o a
trace?
here:
http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/photos/browse/4be3
the photo-report with the scope shots.
best regards,
Stevan
>It's a hobby that is turning into something that a
> hobby shouldn't feel like. If the good hobby feeling is lost, then
what
> is the point?
I really need a long vacation. I need to get that hobby feeling back
somewhere.
I am resigning my moderator position today.
Most of the ride here has been good, there are a lot of good people
here!
Thank you,
Joe
Mike wrote:
> Hi Stevan,
> I think the term 'bipolar' is a little confusing; A
> mosfet works exactly like a conventional transistor, with two
> differences; firstly it is VOLTAGE driven, and mostly will not conduct
> at all until about 2 volts is applied to it: whereas a 'bipolar' needs
> 0.6 volts on the base, and then draws current as you try to increase
> voltage, the collector current is a multiplication of the base current!
> The second thing is that when you have passed enough current into the
> base to make the collector as low a voltage as possible, there will
> ALWAYS be a set voltage on the collector (keeping it simple for now).
> This is called the 'fully bottomed voltage.' A MOSFET only has it's
> stated resistance when fully turned on; in the ones I use, it's less
> resistance than a piece of hookup wire 3/1000th of an ohm (3 milliohms),
> so, you can, with low currents, have virtually ZERO volts across it. It
> is inherently MUCH more efficient than a bipolar transistor!
>
How about the "hidden" diode?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_rectification
That prevents the MOSFET of blocking in reverse direction?
(i was seeking for all time long)
>
> Mosfets are FAR EASIER to work with, but will require different
> circuitry to your bipolar drive that you currently use!
>
> The disadvantages come with higher voltage, IF you want the very low
> resistance; over maybe 100 volts, they can become very expensive!
>
> IGBT's carry on from there, merely being a bipolar transistor with a
> mosfet driver, therefore voltage driven, advantage, up to about 1,700
> volts working, and up to about 800amps, but always will have 2 -3 volts
> minimum across it when conducting!
>
> There's a lot more to this, but keeping it simple for the purpose of
> this discussion! I have posted my circuit, that can handle 100 amps
> continuously, and NOT require ANY finned devices to remove heat!
>
> Mike.
>
> Mike. J. Furness.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Stevan C.
> Sent: 14 March 2008 13:23
> To: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Bedini_SG] Tay is going quad on MOSFET (another MOSFET vs
> BJT thread ;-) )
>
> Mike F., John P.,
>
> Regarding Tay's wish for giving MOSFETs a go:
>
> Ain't plain MOSFETs unidirectional only?
>
> Ain't there IGBTs for this kind of setup?
>
> The tranies have to be _bipolar_, and are the MOSFETs? The device has to
> both
> conduct and brake current, right?
>
> I'm clueless re: MOSFET :-(
>
> Best regards,
> Stevan
>
>
I'm on test with the SSG already,
but with Your schematic, I'm on a total loss.
Mike I admit I'm clueless, but have good faith that it will work.
I wonder will it show "selective" "capacitive coupling" like the SSG ;-)
best regards,
Stevan
Mike wrote:
> Stevan
> I have just uploaded my latest version of ('Stevan's ) solid
> state Bedini in the group files!
> Any comments, JP; JB?
>
> About 18 turns of substantial wire on a 1 inch AIR bobbin should give
> about 20uH, and about 500 times more if you insert a core!
>
> I HOPE I have made it foolproof, and EXTREMELY fast!
>
> On 12 volts, the current will rise at about 0.8 amps per microsecond
> (with this coil!!!) At about 6 amps, the source resistor will develop
> enough voltage to turn on Q1, via the delay circuit of approx. 100ns,
> this prevents the 'turn on splash' from immediately turning on Q1. If
> Q1 is switched on, then the delay R3 / C4 will keep it from repulsing in
> under about 80us. (sometimes these values need a bit of attention)
>
> There is a diode to prevent reverse polarity destroying the chips, and
> the main power line is protected by FU1, which is a 7 AMP 'Polyswitch,'
> (self resetting fuse) which will protect against either against a 'dead'
> or reversed polarity transistor!
>
> My aim is to be able to make extremely narrow pulses, and, if you set
> too long a time, the automatic protection should cut in!
>
> IT SHOULD be able to hold up with a dead short circuit instead of the
> coil, but don't bank on it, at least until I've checked it out!
>
> With this circuit, you can set whatever frequency you like, or pulse
> width, providing the current doesn't exceed 6 amps.
>
> With advanced switching techniques, the power transistor probably won't
> even need a heat sink!
>
> Mike.
>
> Mike. J. Furness.
>
Mr. Jeffery and Mr. Jack
I have a hard time to believe this really happens, but this is sort of a
thread I started, so I feel in a position to kind of react here (which
I'm sorry to do).
:-(
This I do, as I see Joe won't moderate this group to keep it as open as
possible, which I respect (a sort of).
I see You are incapable of following a simple convention of the internet
to keep within the limits of a thread's topic (as most of the members of
this group are incapable anyway).
I also see You are incapable of respect to a discussion's course.
I feel some of members of this group struggle for focus, instead for
answers or knowledge.
I also feel, members don't respect the time, nor nerves of each other. :-(
With this in mind, I politely ask You to make a thread called "Mike's
90k turbine" and waste Your next two weeks on it if You wish so. Don't
please hijack other peoples threads :-(.
I also hereby, ask You polite to learn to use Yahoo's message search
capability, and sort all Mike's messages and find the ones containing
his detailed description of the project.
The files of his device where posted, I have copy in my private
collection. I'm sure Mike would be glad to send You a copy via private
mail (If You really are interested).
Yes, there are a lot of messages, and most are useless and too long
(most just post away, careless, without cleaning unneeded residue on the
bottom - if I was the moderator of this group we would still be around
3k messages and many would repost until learned or gone away... :-) and
message size would be limited to max 2k chars too ;-) )
So, please gentleman, I politely ask You to act as such, in sincere hope
You will
:-D
If You accept this as a challenge and act positive to it, my respect
towards You would rise immensely.
If not, I will tolerate, but You will certain be of less favor to me.
best regards,
Stevan
Mike,
I couldn't find the setup for this. And who funded the $4 mil? And
what powered the turbine?
Thanks,
Jeff
--- In Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <mikefurness2002@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff,
> Almost correct; the detail was done with the great
assistance
> of one Martin Harris from Southampton University, now retired.
> It was no toy, and took $4,000,000 to get that far, there is a
picture
> somewhere in this group of the setup!
>
> We were one of the first people to make prestressed Carbon fibre
> containment hoops for the rotor, at approx 3inches, each of the
rotating
> magnets weighed 19 tons at this speed! Balance was ABSOLUTELY
critical,
> with "first and second critical speeds" having to be tuned to even
> allow it not to self destruct during acceleration!
>
> As a mathematician, maybe you can tell us all about critical speeds?
>
> I left all this aspect to specialist people!
>
> Mike.
>
> Mike. J. Furness.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com]
On
> Behalf Of Jeffrey N Cook
> Sent: 20 March 2008 02:30
> To: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Bedini_SG] Re: Good reading, -before it all started to
loose
> touch like now...
>
> Mike,
>
> What on God's good earth does this mean?
>
> "PS, alternator and Turbine was 90k RPM!"
>
> Last year I mentioned that I had timed an alternator of mine to 27k
> RPM and you told me this was "impossible"...even though the motor
was
> rated as such. You told me any alternator would break apart in a
> violently dangerous way at such RPMs. Uh...huh? Well, anyway...
>
> Maybe I am missing something. Are you now stating you have designed
> an alternator and turbine at 90k RPM?
>
> I don't think you're a plant. I just don't understand what you
meant
> by this. What are you talking about?
>
> Jeff
>
> --- In Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com,
> "Mike" <mikefurness2002@> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Stevan, for your kind words!
> >
> > Entirely Correct!
> >
> > I'm not a spy, or a plant, or on a mission; merely, exactly as
you
> say!
> >
> > Some here, I do find a little difficult, like the last post I
> answered,
> > which berated me for wanting to use 'conventional' labels, making
it
> > easier for all to understand!
> > For example, I know that SOME, including some published work,
> consider
> > 'Radiant Energy' to be something entirely different!
> > Unfortunately, just because something is published, it doesn't
make
> it
> > correct; a trap so many fall into!
> > I particularly remember all the books (money of course!)
concerning
> if
> > the Americans really went to the moon. One particular cornerstone
> > picture shows a letter on a rock; in recent analysis, it's not on
> the
> > original, and is a piece of body hair which got into the printer!
> >
> > I haven't answered before, owing to the HUGE flurry of posts
during
> the
> > last few hours, sorry about that!
> >
> > I'm about to go to the office now, more detailed response later,
I
> will
> > briefly answer the post concerning current measurement!
> >
> > This is a classic tale of JB's inability to describe things in an
> > understandable way (NO disrespect!!!)... Which is ,of course the
> > fundamental reason for us all to use the correct words and
> definitions!
> >
> > I THINK JB is trying to explain to us that he considers there's
> more to
> > an electric current than we are able to perceive? Maybe he's
> right, but
> > classical physics does tell us the exact charge of an electron,
and
> it
> > always, SO FAR, fits with reality! Maybe this is the area from
which
> > 'unexplained phenomena' MAY appear?
> >
> > JB then tells us the way current is measured, describing the
classic
> > 'Moving Coil' instruments of his day!
> >
> > Every current needs a voltage 'pressure' to cause current to
flow,
> so,
> > you want to measure 10 amps in a DELICATE instrument, you place a
> very
> > low, high current resistor (usually called 'SHUNT') in the
circuit,
> and
> > the few millivolts developed across it is sufficient to drive a
> current
> > of MICROAMPS through the coil, which is in a magnetic field, and
> > retained by springs, hence a given voltage will drive a certain
> current,
> > and the spring will allow a certain meter deflection only!
> >
> > Today's digital meters, still basically work the same way,
excepting
> > that the small voltage goes to a 'calibrated amplifier' and then a
> > digital display! Huge advantage, is that all can easily read
> voltages
> > or currents to maybe 3 places of decimal! Disadvantage, is with a
> > changing voltage, endless rolling digits are not so nice as a
slowly
> > changing 'pointer instrument'.
> >
> > Today, at office, I will have some time to work on both my plasma
> > generator, AND the mosfet design for you!
> >
> > Due to last week's violent weather, and electrical storm, the
> internet
> > isn't working (maybe today?) at office, so I only get any
messages
> when
> > I get home in the evening. PS, alternator and Turbine was 90k RPM!
> >
> > Have a good day,
> >
> > Mike.
> >
> > Mike. J. Furness.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com
> [mailto:Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com]
>
> On
> > Behalf Of Stevan C.
> > Sent: 18 March 2008 12:19
> > To: Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com
> > Subject: [Bedini_SG] Good reading, -before it all started to
loose
> touch
> > like now...
> >
> > Jack R Welch wrote:
> > > Clinton
> > > I have been on this group since day one!
> > > Just go to the files section build the energizer as
> instructed.And do
> > not comment on things you nothing about like Mike F.--jw
> > >
> > This is to Mike Furness,
> >
> > Mike,
> > one just might leave an impression on people, even unintended.
> >
> > It seems that here are people (whom I respect, as same, too) that
> have
> > an impression of You that differs from mine.
> >
> > Mine is:
> >
> > A. Mike is here to find and isolate the "essential something" of
> the
> > Bedini's device,
> > B. Work it out in detail (do that SSG build then...)
> > C. Explain it in EE terms (Mike F. is "field EE not classroom EE
<--
> who
> >
> > can tell the difference, knows what I'm talking about")
> > D. Share the findings (I hope with this group, but who knows... ;-
> ) )
> > E. Move on, as always before to the next topic.
> >
> > The group (we in this view) have managed to do following to Mike:
> >
> > 1. Make Mike very disappointed (to crkapot-ish) by our loose
> approach
> > (I'm talking about a group that makes 2 week digressions about
> without
> > moderation and expects respect for it :-D !)
> > 2. Make him (Mike) wonder if we are moving toward something, or
> just
> > making "pots and cracking them" for fun?
> > 3. Make flame-wars with him (You said that -I said that -You
> said...)
> > 4. Disregarded his mileage in building stuff: he knows lead acid
> > batteries too, has business in a marina with more than a dozen of
> LAbs
> > and chargers of very advanced (but yes conventional) sort.
> >
> > And some of respected us in this group (me included) forget some
> fact
> > re: Mike F.:
> >
> > a. He had build a quite few designs, that are by far more complex
> and
> > "tricky" than a SSG - he has built a 50k RPM! generator - anyone
> top
> > this here, then talk to Mike F. ;-) like that.
> > b. He had been in projects with really dense and high energy
> devices, he
> >
> > saw lots of stuff just like John B. - they two can be a match -
I'm
> > personally way below that league - I can admit this to my self.
> > c. He has the needed conventional expertise and reputation that
can
> > really help this group a lot (to say the least)
> > d. I would not take so much as he did from this group (I can't
> know, but
> >
> > he packed a lot).
> > e. He is not SHOUTING when he uses capital letters - he is simply
> to
> > LAZY to use other forms, and misses ITALIC or _underline_ - too
> much
> > exposure to M$ word ;-)...
> >
> > Why I write this all?
> >
> > I have to ask Mike once more favor:
> >
> > Mike, I know You will build the SSG as soon as You see a good
> reason for
> >
> > doing so. If one has built as much as You, he can hardly see any
> one
> > more design fit to enlighten him. Especially a simple one like an
> SSG.
> >
> > I understand You on this one.
> >
> > So, I ask You to do a readout for me, and to comment (inline if
> > possible) to a old post:
> >
> > http://tech.
> <http://tech.
> <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/1640>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/1640>
> > groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/1640
> >
> > The question here is not if You can cut it down : the opposite:
> >
> > The question is: can You investigate this for me (-us- the
group),
> with
> > an _open mind_ - as I lack the needed expertise You have.
> >
> > there are other posts too:
> > http://tech.
> <http://tech.
> <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7342>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7342>
> > groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7342
> > http://tech.
> <http://tech.
> <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7341>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7341>
> > groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7341
> >
> > If You are in the mood to comment them.
> >
> > Sincerely
> > Stevan
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Jack,
I have no idea what kind of turbine Mike is talking about. I thought
I was missing something in the conversation, but I read back and it
seems as far as I can see that he just randomly interjected the
comment. I don't know, I went through the site to find photos of
what he was talking about, but I couldn't find anything posted by him
except some pulse generator with a purpose I could not see from the
photo.
Perhaps he will more clearly explain.
Jeff
--- In Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com, Jack R Welch <jack82721@...> wrote:
>
> Gentlemen:
> If I might ask what kind of a turbine are you refering to? A
Tesla tubine I hope--jw
>
> Jeffrey N Cook <antidyne@...> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> What on God's good earth does this mean?
>
> "PS, alternator and Turbine was 90k RPM!"
>
> Last year I mentioned that I had timed an alternator of mine to 27k
> RPM and you told me this was "impossible"...even though the motor
was
> rated as such. You told me any alternator would break apart in a
> violently dangerous way at such RPMs. Uh...huh? Well, anyway...
>
> Maybe I am missing something. Are you now stating you have designed
> an alternator and turbine at 90k RPM?
>
> I don't think you're a plant. I just don't understand what you
meant
> by this. What are you talking about?
>
> Jeff
>
> --- In Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <mikefurness2002@> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Stevan, for your kind words!
> >
> > Entirely Correct!
> >
> > I'm not a spy, or a plant, or on a mission; merely, exactly as
you
> say!
> >
> > Some here, I do find a little difficult, like the last post I
> answered,
> > which berated me for wanting to use 'conventional' labels, making
it
> > easier for all to understand!
> > For example, I know that SOME, including some published work,
> consider
> > 'Radiant Energy' to be something entirely different!
> > Unfortunately, just because something is published, it doesn't
make
> it
> > correct; a trap so many fall into!
> > I particularly remember all the books (money of course!)
concerning
> if
> > the Americans really went to the moon. One particular cornerstone
> > picture shows a letter on a rock; in recent analysis, it's not on
> the
> > original, and is a piece of body hair which got into the printer!
> >
> > I haven't answered before, owing to the HUGE flurry of posts
during
> the
> > last few hours, sorry about that!
> >
> > I'm about to go to the office now, more detailed response later,
I
> will
> > briefly answer the post concerning current measurement!
> >
> > This is a classic tale of JB's inability to describe things in an
> > understandable way (NO disrespect!!!)... Which is ,of course the
> > fundamental reason for us all to use the correct words and
> definitions!
> >
> > I THINK JB is trying to explain to us that he considers there's
> more to
> > an electric current than we are able to perceive? Maybe he's
> right, but
> > classical physics does tell us the exact charge of an electron,
and
> it
> > always, SO FAR, fits with reality! Maybe this is the area from
which
> > 'unexplained phenomena' MAY appear?
> >
> > JB then tells us the way current is measured, describing the
classic
> > 'Moving Coil' instruments of his day!
> >
> > Every current needs a voltage 'pressure' to cause current to
flow,
> so,
> > you want to measure 10 amps in a DELICATE instrument, you place a
> very
> > low, high current resistor (usually called 'SHUNT') in the
circuit,
> and
> > the few millivolts developed across it is sufficient to drive a
> current
> > of MICROAMPS through the coil, which is in a magnetic field, and
> > retained by springs, hence a given voltage will drive a certain
> current,
> > and the spring will allow a certain meter deflection only!
> >
> > Today's digital meters, still basically work the same way,
excepting
> > that the small voltage goes to a 'calibrated amplifier' and then a
> > digital display! Huge advantage, is that all can easily read
> voltages
> > or currents to maybe 3 places of decimal! Disadvantage, is with a
> > changing voltage, endless rolling digits are not so nice as a
slowly
> > changing 'pointer instrument'.
> >
> > Today, at office, I will have some time to work on both my plasma
> > generator, AND the mosfet design for you!
> >
> > Due to last week's violent weather, and electrical storm, the
> internet
> > isn't working (maybe today?) at office, so I only get any
messages
> when
> > I get home in the evening. PS, alternator and Turbine was 90k RPM!
> >
> > Have a good day,
> >
> > Mike.
> >
> > Mike. J. Furness.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Stevan C.
> > Sent: 18 March 2008 12:19
> > To: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Bedini_SG] Good reading, -before it all started to
loose
> touch
> > like now...
> >
> > Jack R Welch wrote:
> > > Clinton
> > > I have been on this group since day one!
> > > Just go to the files section build the energizer as
> instructed.And do
> > not comment on things you nothing about like Mike F.--jw
> > >
> > This is to Mike Furness,
> >
> > Mike,
> > one just might leave an impression on people, even unintended.
> >
> > It seems that here are people (whom I respect, as same, too) that
> have
> > an impression of You that differs from mine.
> >
> > Mine is:
> >
> > A. Mike is here to find and isolate the "essential something" of
> the
> > Bedini's device,
> > B. Work it out in detail (do that SSG build then...)
> > C. Explain it in EE terms (Mike F. is "field EE not classroom EE
<--
> who
> >
> > can tell the difference, knows what I'm talking about")
> > D. Share the findings (I hope with this group, but who knows... ;-
> ) )
> > E. Move on, as always before to the next topic.
> >
> > The group (we in this view) have managed to do following to Mike:
> >
> > 1. Make Mike very disappointed (to crkapot-ish) by our loose
> approach
> > (I'm talking about a group that makes 2 week digressions about
> without
> > moderation and expects respect for it :-D !)
> > 2. Make him (Mike) wonder if we are moving toward something, or
> just
> > making "pots and cracking them" for fun?
> > 3. Make flame-wars with him (You said that -I said that -You
> said...)
> > 4. Disregarded his mileage in building stuff: he knows lead acid
> > batteries too, has business in a marina with more than a dozen of
> LAbs
> > and chargers of very advanced (but yes conventional) sort.
> >
> > And some of respected us in this group (me included) forget some
> fact
> > re: Mike F.:
> >
> > a. He had build a quite few designs, that are by far more complex
> and
> > "tricky" than a SSG - he has built a 50k RPM! generator - anyone
> top
> > this here, then talk to Mike F. ;-) like that.
> > b. He had been in projects with really dense and high energy
> devices, he
> >
> > saw lots of stuff just like John B. - they two can be a match -
I'm
> > personally way below that league - I can admit this to my self.
> > c. He has the needed conventional expertise and reputation that
can
> > really help this group a lot (to say the least)
> > d. I would not take so much as he did from this group (I can't
> know, but
> >
> > he packed a lot).
> > e. He is not SHOUTING when he uses capital letters - he is simply
> to
> > LAZY to use other forms, and misses ITALIC or _underline_ - too
> much
> > exposure to M$ word ;-)...
> >
> > Why I write this all?
> >
> > I have to ask Mike once more favor:
> >
> > Mike, I know You will build the SSG as soon as You see a good
> reason for
> >
> > doing so. If one has built as much as You, he can hardly see any
> one
> > more design fit to enlighten him. Especially a simple one like an
> SSG.
> >
> > I understand You on this one.
> >
> > So, I ask You to do a readout for me, and to comment (inline if
> > possible) to a old post:
> >
> > http://tech.
> <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/1640>
> > groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/1640
> >
> > The question here is not if You can cut it down : the opposite:
> >
> > The question is: can You investigate this for me (-us- the
group),
> with
> > an _open mind_ - as I lack the needed expertise You have.
> >
> > there are other posts too:
> > http://tech.
> <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7342>
> > groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7342
> > http://tech.
> <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7341>
> > groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7341
> >
> > If You are in the mood to comment them.
> >
> > Sincerely
> > Stevan
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Hi John,
I just had to rewire it, took me alittle time.
I've left the unit running, thanks for the help.
I'll post the shots soon.
Thanks,
Dom
----- Original Message ----
From: John <john_bedini@...>
To: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2008 4:21:39 PM
Subject: [Bedini_SG] Re: all the other coils are slaves
Dom,
Do you have any scope shots, as I will tell you by what I see.
I depends how negative you go, normally yes as the two currents are
much different.
John
--- In Bedini_SG@yahoogrou ps.com, mrd alb <domaga@...> wrote:
>
> Hi John B,
>
> I've rewired the multicoiler now, the charge batt seems to be
crawling up in voltage, 300mA's is the input draw, torque is fairly
strong. Here again are the specs:-
>
> coils:- cat5 helix cabling used, each of the 4 windings measure
4.5ohms
> bobbin length 70mm, bobbin diam also 70mm.
>
> one bobbin has 4 transistors, no trigger, the other at 180 degrees
has the trigger, and 3 transistors. so with 4 coils theres 14
transistors all up.
>
> John i'd like to ask this question, in your eftv p2 dvd you
mentioned that if you charge a batt with radiant charger, it would
take alot longer to charge it with a conventional charger, does the
opposite also apply?
>
> what's the normal behaviour of a working ssg? should the voltage
keep going up?
>
> thanks again,
>
> Dom
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: John <john_bedini@ ...>
> To: Bedini_SG@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2008 1:52:33 PM
> Subject: [Bedini_SG] all the other coils are slaves
>
> All the other coils are slaves.
>
> You may add as many windings as you need on each coil, the main
coil
> has one extra winding, the trigger winding.
>
> All the transistor bases are summed together to a common buss with
> their base resistor's, all the output diodes are summed together on
a
> common buss connected together also.
>
> All the rotor magnets must be in perfect alignment to the pole
> piece's all magnets must be measured for gauss to be equal within
5%
> min. I would also measure transistors for Bata as this will effect
> the machine.
>
> All the gaps must be the same. I do mine with a gap gauge from pole
> to pole 5 to 10 thousands will work fine, it's the only way you get
a
> good wave shape. Remember what the H wave shape looks like, the
same
> as the solid state nothing can be different.
>
> A six coil machine should be around 5 amps input current @ 12v. all
> transistors are mounted on a small flat heat sink.
> The base trigger coil circuit must then have a series resistor in
> series with all the summed transistor base circuits.
>
> It is much easier to build a 11 strand coil on the simple SG
machine
> with 23 wire all twisted together at 100 feet on a 5 inch bobbin
3/4
> inch hole.
> This is not a easy machine to build and not shown on the diagram.
> JB
>
>
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This is Ok Joe
I have been able to resurrect 2 old deep cycle batteries so far
that where beaten up pretty bad in a solar system (bulging, high
impedance etc.) I used a microchip to turn on the optocoupler instead
of
the 555 chip because I thought I might be able to get better
performance by using a higher duty cycle than the 50/50 from a 555. I
have
not found a setting yet that works better than 50/50. In the book
(pg 109) it says the oscillator should be at 25Khz.
Mine doesn't get anywhere near that, only 914hz. I wonder if anyone
else has had one run that fast.
http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/photos/browse/c2f2
Jerid
--- In Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com, "joe_1001101" <acg_1001@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com, "Marcia Stockton" <aeditua@>
>
> > Joe, I will not be sending you private correspondence again since
> >it takes a little bit of finesse to notice the difference between
> >public and private conversation.
>
> I noticed:)
>
> Had to be fair to Jerid.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
> >
> > Thanks
> > Marcia
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: joe_1001101
> > To: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:38 PM
> > Subject: [Bedini_SG] Re: SCR Radiant Charger
> >
> >
> > Marcia,
> >
> > > Marcia wrote:
> > >
> > > [Joe] I request in your role as moderator that you please
> delete the
> > > attached post,
> >
> > Did you ask Jerid first?
> >
> > Did he not respond?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
--- In Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com, "Marcia Stockton" <aeditua@...>
> Joe, I will not be sending you private correspondence again since
>it takes a little bit of finesse to notice the difference between
>public and private conversation.
I noticed:)
Had to be fair to Jerid.
Thanks,
Joe
>
> Thanks
> Marcia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: joe_1001101
> To: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:38 PM
> Subject: [Bedini_SG] Re: SCR Radiant Charger
>
>
> Marcia,
>
> > Marcia wrote:
> >
> > [Joe] I request in your role as moderator that you please
delete the
> > attached post,
>
> Did you ask Jerid first?
>
> Did he not respond?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
John says he's OK to keep it, so keep it. It is indeed thrilling to see some
more replications of this circuit. There have been a few others also on the
Bedini_Monopole and Bedini_Monople2 groups (our advanced groups). One person
suggested adding a cap in a certain place and noticed that wire lengths made a
huge difference in terms of the wear and tear on one part.
Joe, I will not be sending you private correspondence again since it takes a
little bit of finesse to notice the difference between public and private
conversation.
Thanks
Marcia
----- Original Message -----
From: joe_1001101
To: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:38 PM
Subject: [Bedini_SG] Re: SCR Radiant Charger
Marcia,
> Marcia wrote:
>
> [Joe] I request in your role as moderator that you please delete the
> attached post,
Did you ask Jerid first?
Did he not respond?
Thanks,
Joe
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Gentlemen:
If I might ask what kind of a turbine are you refering to? A Tesla tubine I
hope--jw
Jeffrey N Cook <antidyne@...> wrote:
Mike,
What on God's good earth does this mean?
"PS, alternator and Turbine was 90k RPM!"
Last year I mentioned that I had timed an alternator of mine to 27k
RPM and you told me this was "impossible"...even though the motor was
rated as such. You told me any alternator would break apart in a
violently dangerous way at such RPMs. Uh...huh? Well, anyway...
Maybe I am missing something. Are you now stating you have designed
an alternator and turbine at 90k RPM?
I don't think you're a plant. I just don't understand what you meant
by this. What are you talking about?
Jeff
--- In Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <mikefurness2002@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Stevan, for your kind words!
>
> Entirely Correct!
>
> I'm not a spy, or a plant, or on a mission; merely, exactly as you
say!
>
> Some here, I do find a little difficult, like the last post I
answered,
> which berated me for wanting to use 'conventional' labels, making it
> easier for all to understand!
> For example, I know that SOME, including some published work,
consider
> 'Radiant Energy' to be something entirely different!
> Unfortunately, just because something is published, it doesn't make
it
> correct; a trap so many fall into!
> I particularly remember all the books (money of course!) concerning
if
> the Americans really went to the moon. One particular cornerstone
> picture shows a letter on a rock; in recent analysis, it's not on
the
> original, and is a piece of body hair which got into the printer!
>
> I haven't answered before, owing to the HUGE flurry of posts during
the
> last few hours, sorry about that!
>
> I'm about to go to the office now, more detailed response later, I
will
> briefly answer the post concerning current measurement!
>
> This is a classic tale of JB's inability to describe things in an
> understandable way (NO disrespect!!!)... Which is ,of course the
> fundamental reason for us all to use the correct words and
definitions!
>
> I THINK JB is trying to explain to us that he considers there's
more to
> an electric current than we are able to perceive? Maybe he's
right, but
> classical physics does tell us the exact charge of an electron, and
it
> always, SO FAR, fits with reality! Maybe this is the area from which
> 'unexplained phenomena' MAY appear?
>
> JB then tells us the way current is measured, describing the classic
> 'Moving Coil' instruments of his day!
>
> Every current needs a voltage 'pressure' to cause current to flow,
so,
> you want to measure 10 amps in a DELICATE instrument, you place a
very
> low, high current resistor (usually called 'SHUNT') in the circuit,
and
> the few millivolts developed across it is sufficient to drive a
current
> of MICROAMPS through the coil, which is in a magnetic field, and
> retained by springs, hence a given voltage will drive a certain
current,
> and the spring will allow a certain meter deflection only!
>
> Today's digital meters, still basically work the same way, excepting
> that the small voltage goes to a 'calibrated amplifier' and then a
> digital display! Huge advantage, is that all can easily read
voltages
> or currents to maybe 3 places of decimal! Disadvantage, is with a
> changing voltage, endless rolling digits are not so nice as a slowly
> changing 'pointer instrument'.
>
> Today, at office, I will have some time to work on both my plasma
> generator, AND the mosfet design for you!
>
> Due to last week's violent weather, and electrical storm, the
internet
> isn't working (maybe today?) at office, so I only get any messages
when
> I get home in the evening. PS, alternator and Turbine was 90k RPM!
>
> Have a good day,
>
> Mike.
>
> Mike. J. Furness.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com]
On
> Behalf Of Stevan C.
> Sent: 18 March 2008 12:19
> To: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Bedini_SG] Good reading, -before it all started to loose
touch
> like now...
>
> Jack R Welch wrote:
> > Clinton
> > I have been on this group since day one!
> > Just go to the files section build the energizer as
instructed.And do
> not comment on things you nothing about like Mike F.--jw
> >
> This is to Mike Furness,
>
> Mike,
> one just might leave an impression on people, even unintended.
>
> It seems that here are people (whom I respect, as same, too) that
have
> an impression of You that differs from mine.
>
> Mine is:
>
> A. Mike is here to find and isolate the "essential something" of
the
> Bedini's device,
> B. Work it out in detail (do that SSG build then...)
> C. Explain it in EE terms (Mike F. is "field EE not classroom EE <--
who
>
> can tell the difference, knows what I'm talking about")
> D. Share the findings (I hope with this group, but who knows... ;-
) )
> E. Move on, as always before to the next topic.
>
> The group (we in this view) have managed to do following to Mike:
>
> 1. Make Mike very disappointed (to crkapot-ish) by our loose
approach
> (I'm talking about a group that makes 2 week digressions about
without
> moderation and expects respect for it :-D !)
> 2. Make him (Mike) wonder if we are moving toward something, or
just
> making "pots and cracking them" for fun?
> 3. Make flame-wars with him (You said that -I said that -You
said...)
> 4. Disregarded his mileage in building stuff: he knows lead acid
> batteries too, has business in a marina with more than a dozen of
LAbs
> and chargers of very advanced (but yes conventional) sort.
>
> And some of respected us in this group (me included) forget some
fact
> re: Mike F.:
>
> a. He had build a quite few designs, that are by far more complex
and
> "tricky" than a SSG - he has built a 50k RPM! generator - anyone
top
> this here, then talk to Mike F. ;-) like that.
> b. He had been in projects with really dense and high energy
devices, he
>
> saw lots of stuff just like John B. - they two can be a match - I'm
> personally way below that league - I can admit this to my self.
> c. He has the needed conventional expertise and reputation that can
> really help this group a lot (to say the least)
> d. I would not take so much as he did from this group (I can't
know, but
>
> he packed a lot).
> e. He is not SHOUTING when he uses capital letters - he is simply
to
> LAZY to use other forms, and misses ITALIC or _underline_ - too
much
> exposure to M$ word ;-)...
>
> Why I write this all?
>
> I have to ask Mike once more favor:
>
> Mike, I know You will build the SSG as soon as You see a good
reason for
>
> doing so. If one has built as much as You, he can hardly see any
one
> more design fit to enlighten him. Especially a simple one like an
SSG.
>
> I understand You on this one.
>
> So, I ask You to do a readout for me, and to comment (inline if
> possible) to a old post:
>
> http://tech.
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/1640>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/1640
>
> The question here is not if You can cut it down : the opposite:
>
> The question is: can You investigate this for me (-us- the group),
with
> an _open mind_ - as I lack the needed expertise You have.
>
> there are other posts too:
> http://tech.
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7342>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7342
> http://tech.
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7341>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7341
>
> If You are in the mood to comment them.
>
> Sincerely
> Stevan
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi Jeff,
Almost correct; the detail was done with the great assistance
of one Martin Harris from Southampton University, now retired.
It was no toy, and took $4,000,000 to get that far, there is a picture
somewhere in this group of the setup!
We were one of the first people to make prestressed Carbon fibre
containment hoops for the rotor, at approx 3inches, each of the rotating
magnets weighed 19 tons at this speed! Balance was ABSOLUTELY critical,
with "first and second critical speeds" having to be tuned to even
allow it not to self destruct during acceleration!
As a mathematician, maybe you can tell us all about critical speeds?
I left all this aspect to specialist people!
Mike.
Mike. J. Furness.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jeffrey N Cook
Sent: 20 March 2008 02:30
To: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Bedini_SG] Re: Good reading, -before it all started to loose
touch like now...
Mike,
What on God's good earth does this mean?
"PS, alternator and Turbine was 90k RPM!"
Last year I mentioned that I had timed an alternator of mine to 27k
RPM and you told me this was "impossible"...even though the motor was
rated as such. You told me any alternator would break apart in a
violently dangerous way at such RPMs. Uh...huh? Well, anyway...
Maybe I am missing something. Are you now stating you have designed
an alternator and turbine at 90k RPM?
I don't think you're a plant. I just don't understand what you meant
by this. What are you talking about?
Jeff
--- In Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com,
"Mike" <mikefurness2002@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Stevan, for your kind words!
>
> Entirely Correct!
>
> I'm not a spy, or a plant, or on a mission; merely, exactly as you
say!
>
> Some here, I do find a little difficult, like the last post I
answered,
> which berated me for wanting to use 'conventional' labels, making it
> easier for all to understand!
> For example, I know that SOME, including some published work,
consider
> 'Radiant Energy' to be something entirely different!
> Unfortunately, just because something is published, it doesn't make
it
> correct; a trap so many fall into!
> I particularly remember all the books (money of course!) concerning
if
> the Americans really went to the moon. One particular cornerstone
> picture shows a letter on a rock; in recent analysis, it's not on
the
> original, and is a piece of body hair which got into the printer!
>
> I haven't answered before, owing to the HUGE flurry of posts during
the
> last few hours, sorry about that!
>
> I'm about to go to the office now, more detailed response later, I
will
> briefly answer the post concerning current measurement!
>
> This is a classic tale of JB's inability to describe things in an
> understandable way (NO disrespect!!!)... Which is ,of course the
> fundamental reason for us all to use the correct words and
definitions!
>
> I THINK JB is trying to explain to us that he considers there's
more to
> an electric current than we are able to perceive? Maybe he's
right, but
> classical physics does tell us the exact charge of an electron, and
it
> always, SO FAR, fits with reality! Maybe this is the area from which
> 'unexplained phenomena' MAY appear?
>
> JB then tells us the way current is measured, describing the classic
> 'Moving Coil' instruments of his day!
>
> Every current needs a voltage 'pressure' to cause current to flow,
so,
> you want to measure 10 amps in a DELICATE instrument, you place a
very
> low, high current resistor (usually called 'SHUNT') in the circuit,
and
> the few millivolts developed across it is sufficient to drive a
current
> of MICROAMPS through the coil, which is in a magnetic field, and
> retained by springs, hence a given voltage will drive a certain
current,
> and the spring will allow a certain meter deflection only!
>
> Today's digital meters, still basically work the same way, excepting
> that the small voltage goes to a 'calibrated amplifier' and then a
> digital display! Huge advantage, is that all can easily read
voltages
> or currents to maybe 3 places of decimal! Disadvantage, is with a
> changing voltage, endless rolling digits are not so nice as a slowly
> changing 'pointer instrument'.
>
> Today, at office, I will have some time to work on both my plasma
> generator, AND the mosfet design for you!
>
> Due to last week's violent weather, and electrical storm, the
internet
> isn't working (maybe today?) at office, so I only get any messages
when
> I get home in the evening. PS, alternator and Turbine was 90k RPM!
>
> Have a good day,
>
> Mike.
>
> Mike. J. Furness.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com
[mailto:Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com]
On
> Behalf Of Stevan C.
> Sent: 18 March 2008 12:19
> To: Bedini_SG@yahoogrou <mailto:Bedini_SG%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com
> Subject: [Bedini_SG] Good reading, -before it all started to loose
touch
> like now...
>
> Jack R Welch wrote:
> > Clinton
> > I have been on this group since day one!
> > Just go to the files section build the energizer as
instructed.And do
> not comment on things you nothing about like Mike F.--jw
> >
> This is to Mike Furness,
>
> Mike,
> one just might leave an impression on people, even unintended.
>
> It seems that here are people (whom I respect, as same, too) that
have
> an impression of You that differs from mine.
>
> Mine is:
>
> A. Mike is here to find and isolate the "essential something" of
the
> Bedini's device,
> B. Work it out in detail (do that SSG build then...)
> C. Explain it in EE terms (Mike F. is "field EE not classroom EE <--
who
>
> can tell the difference, knows what I'm talking about")
> D. Share the findings (I hope with this group, but who knows... ;-
) )
> E. Move on, as always before to the next topic.
>
> The group (we in this view) have managed to do following to Mike:
>
> 1. Make Mike very disappointed (to crkapot-ish) by our loose
approach
> (I'm talking about a group that makes 2 week digressions about
without
> moderation and expects respect for it :-D !)
> 2. Make him (Mike) wonder if we are moving toward something, or
just
> making "pots and cracking them" for fun?
> 3. Make flame-wars with him (You said that -I said that -You
said...)
> 4. Disregarded his mileage in building stuff: he knows lead acid
> batteries too, has business in a marina with more than a dozen of
LAbs
> and chargers of very advanced (but yes conventional) sort.
>
> And some of respected us in this group (me included) forget some
fact
> re: Mike F.:
>
> a. He had build a quite few designs, that are by far more complex
and
> "tricky" than a SSG - he has built a 50k RPM! generator - anyone
top
> this here, then talk to Mike F. ;-) like that.
> b. He had been in projects with really dense and high energy
devices, he
>
> saw lots of stuff just like John B. - they two can be a match - I'm
> personally way below that league - I can admit this to my self.
> c. He has the needed conventional expertise and reputation that can
> really help this group a lot (to say the least)
> d. I would not take so much as he did from this group (I can't
know, but
>
> he packed a lot).
> e. He is not SHOUTING when he uses capital letters - he is simply
to
> LAZY to use other forms, and misses ITALIC or _underline_ - too
much
> exposure to M$ word ;-)...
>
> Why I write this all?
>
> I have to ask Mike once more favor:
>
> Mike, I know You will build the SSG as soon as You see a good
reason for
>
> doing so. If one has built as much as You, he can hardly see any
one
> more design fit to enlighten him. Especially a simple one like an
SSG.
>
> I understand You on this one.
>
> So, I ask You to do a readout for me, and to comment (inline if
> possible) to a old post:
>
> http://tech.
<http://tech.
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/1640>
groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/1640>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/1640
>
> The question here is not if You can cut it down : the opposite:
>
> The question is: can You investigate this for me (-us- the group),
with
> an _open mind_ - as I lack the needed expertise You have.
>
> there are other posts too:
> http://tech.
<http://tech.
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7342>
groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7342>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7342
> http://tech.
<http://tech.
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7341>
groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7341>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7341
>
> If You are in the mood to comment them.
>
> Sincerely
> Stevan
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Dom,
Do you have any scope shots, as I will tell you by what I see.
I depends how negative you go, normally yes as the two currents are
much different.
John
--- In Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com, mrd alb <domaga@...> wrote:
>
> Hi John B,
>
> I've rewired the multicoiler now, the charge batt seems to be
crawling up in voltage, 300mA's is the input draw, torque is fairly
strong. Here again are the specs:-
>
> coils:- cat5 helix cabling used, each of the 4 windings measure
4.5ohms
> bobbin length 70mm, bobbin diam also 70mm.
>
> one bobbin has 4 transistors, no trigger, the other at 180 degrees
has the trigger, and 3 transistors. so with 4 coils theres 14
transistors all up.
>
> John i'd like to ask this question, in your eftv p2 dvd you
mentioned that if you charge a batt with radiant charger, it would
take alot longer to charge it with a conventional charger, does the
opposite also apply?
>
> what's the normal behaviour of a working ssg? should the voltage
keep going up?
>
> thanks again,
>
> Dom
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: John <john_bedini@...>
> To: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2008 1:52:33 PM
> Subject: [Bedini_SG] all the other coils are slaves
>
> All the other coils are slaves.
>
> You may add as many windings as you need on each coil, the main
coil
> has one extra winding, the trigger winding.
>
> All the transistor bases are summed together to a common buss with
> their base resistor's, all the output diodes are summed together on
a
> common buss connected together also.
>
> All the rotor magnets must be in perfect alignment to the pole
> piece's all magnets must be measured for gauss to be equal within
5%
> min. I would also measure transistors for Bata as this will effect
> the machine.
>
> All the gaps must be the same. I do mine with a gap gauge from pole
> to pole 5 to 10 thousands will work fine, it's the only way you get
a
> good wave shape. Remember what the H wave shape looks like, the
same
> as the solid state nothing can be different.
>
> A six coil machine should be around 5 amps input current @ 12v. all
> transistors are mounted on a small flat heat sink.
> The base trigger coil circuit must then have a series resistor in
> series with all the summed transistor base circuits.
>
> It is much easier to build a 11 strand coil on the simple SG
machine
> with 23 wire all twisted together at 100 feet on a 5 inch bobbin
3/4
> inch hole.
> This is not a easy machine to build and not shown on the diagram.
> JB
>
>
>
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Jerid,
You did great, the waveforms are correct. for the Iron core it's
working fine, air core is next 2.5 k to 25 Khz. Measure the radiant
current and wave form by using a coil to pass the discharge wire
through. be very careful if you get it up in power as it is close to
your nerve impulses. The stair step looks just like Beardens analogy.
Great work keep going. that waveform can do wonders not fully
explored yet. That is Tesla's time wave that he talked about. Great
scope shots. Thanks for posting this. you can bias the core with a
week magnet, power will increase in only one direction try it you
will see. you can control the Bloch wall of the coil.additive energy
sucked from the magnet.
JB
--- In Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com, "jerid_l" <jerid@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have made my first solid state charger, using the schematic from
> page 46 of the FEG book.
>
> Pictures:
>
> http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/photos/browse/c2f2?
c=
>
> I have been able to resurect 2 old deep cycle batteries so far that
> where beaten up pretty bad in a solar system (bulging, high
impedance
> etc.) I used a microchip to turn on the optocoupler instead of the
> 555 chip because I thought I might be able to get better
performance
> by using a higher duty cycle than the 50/50 from a 555. I have not
> found a setting yet that works better than 50/50. Here are the
specs:
>
> Tri-filar wound
> 450 turns Awg #23 copper magnet wire
> 3/4" R60 welding rod core
> 913hz oscillations on cap
> cap dump every 200ms
> peak voltage on cap 270v
>
> In the book (pg 109) it says the oscillator should be at 25Khz.
Mine
> doesn't get anywhere near that, only 914hz. I wonder if anyone else
> has had one run that fast.
>
>
> -Jerid
>
Hi John B,
I've rewired the multicoiler now, the charge batt seems to be crawling up in
voltage, 300mA's is the input draw, torque is fairly strong. Here again are the
specs:-
coils:- cat5 helix cabling used, each of the 4 windings measure 4.5ohms
bobbin length 70mm, bobbin diam also 70mm.
one bobbin has 4 transistors, no trigger, the other at 180 degrees has the
trigger, and 3 transistors. so with 4 coils theres 14 transistors all up.
John i'd like to ask this question, in your eftv p2 dvd you mentioned that if
you charge a batt with radiant charger, it would take alot longer to charge it
with a conventional charger, does the opposite also apply?
what's the normal behaviour of a working ssg? should the voltage keep going up?
thanks again,
Dom
----- Original Message ----
From: John <john_bedini@...>
To: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2008 1:52:33 PM
Subject: [Bedini_SG] all the other coils are slaves
All the other coils are slaves.
You may add as many windings as you need on each coil, the main coil
has one extra winding, the trigger winding.
All the transistor bases are summed together to a common buss with
their base resistor's, all the output diodes are summed together on a
common buss connected together also.
All the rotor magnets must be in perfect alignment to the pole
piece's all magnets must be measured for gauss to be equal within 5%
min. I would also measure transistors for Bata as this will effect
the machine.
All the gaps must be the same. I do mine with a gap gauge from pole
to pole 5 to 10 thousands will work fine, it's the only way you get a
good wave shape. Remember what the H wave shape looks like, the same
as the solid state nothing can be different.
A six coil machine should be around 5 amps input current @ 12v. all
transistors are mounted on a small flat heat sink.
The base trigger coil circuit must then have a series resistor in
series with all the summed transistor base circuits.
It is much easier to build a 11 strand coil on the simple SG machine
with 23 wire all twisted together at 100 feet on a 5 inch bobbin 3/4
inch hole.
This is not a easy machine to build and not shown on the diagram.
JB
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Mike,
What on God's good earth does this mean?
"PS, alternator and Turbine was 90k RPM!"
Last year I mentioned that I had timed an alternator of mine to 27k
RPM and you told me this was "impossible"...even though the motor was
rated as such. You told me any alternator would break apart in a
violently dangerous way at such RPMs. Uh...huh? Well, anyway...
Maybe I am missing something. Are you now stating you have designed
an alternator and turbine at 90k RPM?
I don't think you're a plant. I just don't understand what you meant
by this. What are you talking about?
Jeff
--- In Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <mikefurness2002@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Stevan, for your kind words!
>
> Entirely Correct!
>
> I'm not a spy, or a plant, or on a mission; merely, exactly as you
say!
>
> Some here, I do find a little difficult, like the last post I
answered,
> which berated me for wanting to use 'conventional' labels, making it
> easier for all to understand!
> For example, I know that SOME, including some published work,
consider
> 'Radiant Energy' to be something entirely different!
> Unfortunately, just because something is published, it doesn't make
it
> correct; a trap so many fall into!
> I particularly remember all the books (money of course!) concerning
if
> the Americans really went to the moon. One particular cornerstone
> picture shows a letter on a rock; in recent analysis, it's not on
the
> original, and is a piece of body hair which got into the printer!
>
> I haven't answered before, owing to the HUGE flurry of posts during
the
> last few hours, sorry about that!
>
> I'm about to go to the office now, more detailed response later, I
will
> briefly answer the post concerning current measurement!
>
> This is a classic tale of JB's inability to describe things in an
> understandable way (NO disrespect!!!)... Which is ,of course the
> fundamental reason for us all to use the correct words and
definitions!
>
> I THINK JB is trying to explain to us that he considers there's
more to
> an electric current than we are able to perceive? Maybe he's
right, but
> classical physics does tell us the exact charge of an electron, and
it
> always, SO FAR, fits with reality! Maybe this is the area from which
> 'unexplained phenomena' MAY appear?
>
> JB then tells us the way current is measured, describing the classic
> 'Moving Coil' instruments of his day!
>
> Every current needs a voltage 'pressure' to cause current to flow,
so,
> you want to measure 10 amps in a DELICATE instrument, you place a
very
> low, high current resistor (usually called 'SHUNT') in the circuit,
and
> the few millivolts developed across it is sufficient to drive a
current
> of MICROAMPS through the coil, which is in a magnetic field, and
> retained by springs, hence a given voltage will drive a certain
current,
> and the spring will allow a certain meter deflection only!
>
> Today's digital meters, still basically work the same way, excepting
> that the small voltage goes to a 'calibrated amplifier' and then a
> digital display! Huge advantage, is that all can easily read
voltages
> or currents to maybe 3 places of decimal! Disadvantage, is with a
> changing voltage, endless rolling digits are not so nice as a slowly
> changing 'pointer instrument'.
>
> Today, at office, I will have some time to work on both my plasma
> generator, AND the mosfet design for you!
>
> Due to last week's violent weather, and electrical storm, the
internet
> isn't working (maybe today?) at office, so I only get any messages
when
> I get home in the evening. PS, alternator and Turbine was 90k RPM!
>
> Have a good day,
>
> Mike.
>
> Mike. J. Furness.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com]
On
> Behalf Of Stevan C.
> Sent: 18 March 2008 12:19
> To: Bedini_SG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Bedini_SG] Good reading, -before it all started to loose
touch
> like now...
>
> Jack R Welch wrote:
> > Clinton
> > I have been on this group since day one!
> > Just go to the files section build the energizer as
instructed.And do
> not comment on things you nothing about like Mike F.--jw
> >
> This is to Mike Furness,
>
> Mike,
> one just might leave an impression on people, even unintended.
>
> It seems that here are people (whom I respect, as same, too) that
have
> an impression of You that differs from mine.
>
> Mine is:
>
> A. Mike is here to find and isolate the "essential something" of
the
> Bedini's device,
> B. Work it out in detail (do that SSG build then...)
> C. Explain it in EE terms (Mike F. is "field EE not classroom EE <--
who
>
> can tell the difference, knows what I'm talking about")
> D. Share the findings (I hope with this group, but who knows... ;-
) )
> E. Move on, as always before to the next topic.
>
> The group (we in this view) have managed to do following to Mike:
>
> 1. Make Mike very disappointed (to crkapot-ish) by our loose
approach
> (I'm talking about a group that makes 2 week digressions about
without
> moderation and expects respect for it :-D !)
> 2. Make him (Mike) wonder if we are moving toward something, or
just
> making "pots and cracking them" for fun?
> 3. Make flame-wars with him (You said that -I said that -You
said...)
> 4. Disregarded his mileage in building stuff: he knows lead acid
> batteries too, has business in a marina with more than a dozen of
LAbs
> and chargers of very advanced (but yes conventional) sort.
>
> And some of respected us in this group (me included) forget some
fact
> re: Mike F.:
>
> a. He had build a quite few designs, that are by far more complex
and
> "tricky" than a SSG - he has built a 50k RPM! generator - anyone
top
> this here, then talk to Mike F. ;-) like that.
> b. He had been in projects with really dense and high energy
devices, he
>
> saw lots of stuff just like John B. - they two can be a match - I'm
> personally way below that league - I can admit this to my self.
> c. He has the needed conventional expertise and reputation that can
> really help this group a lot (to say the least)
> d. I would not take so much as he did from this group (I can't
know, but
>
> he packed a lot).
> e. He is not SHOUTING when he uses capital letters - he is simply
to
> LAZY to use other forms, and misses ITALIC or _underline_ - too
much
> exposure to M$ word ;-)...
>
> Why I write this all?
>
> I have to ask Mike once more favor:
>
> Mike, I know You will build the SSG as soon as You see a good
reason for
>
> doing so. If one has built as much as You, he can hardly see any
one
> more design fit to enlighten him. Especially a simple one like an
SSG.
>
> I understand You on this one.
>
> So, I ask You to do a readout for me, and to comment (inline if
> possible) to a old post:
>
> http://tech.
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/1640>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/1640
>
> The question here is not if You can cut it down : the opposite:
>
> The question is: can You investigate this for me (-us- the group),
with
> an _open mind_ - as I lack the needed expertise You have.
>
> there are other posts too:
> http://tech.
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7342>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7342
> http://tech.
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7341>
> groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/message/7341
>
> If You are in the mood to comment them.
>
> Sincerely
> Stevan
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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