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National Cordyceps Workshop - 5 May 2008   Message List  
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Cordyceps in Eastern Himalaya Alpine

Dear senior and friends
I had been very passive member of the forum for sometimes. I am just reading your valauble concerns on various issues in natural resources management.  I think the natural resources is essentail conflict management and analysis characterised by socio-economic, environmetal and plotical value judgement. I see there is always a conflict of judgement with out proper understanding of nature etc.
I had an opportunity to visit one of the Cordecps growing alpine in the east in September 2007 with Dr. Lungten leading the team. Our aim was to esablished a permanent monitoring ecological plots with park management ( bumdelling) in Singphel area.
 
I have seen great natural and social Phenomena happening at some 5000 above in our landscape.
socailly and economically speaking regarding Cordeceps there are tri-interest groups in collections ( 1. the people who are given legal rights, 2. Down streams communities without permit and 3. People across the border). Now challage for us is to managed these groups.
 
We still dont know much about the ecology of the fungus and caterpillar, what factors are really responsible for its propuse regeneration etc. but im certain with dedication to ecology we can find something and which can be helpful in management prescription.
 
At the landscape level, our Glaciers are melting at great speed. We had to climb about 5200 masl ( according to my altimeter) and pass is called Garula , during the course of about 2-3 hours of our climbing i could hear as many as 6-7 avalanches, this i could hear on the Lhuntse side of the Mountain. As soon as we crossed Garula, we came to a desert like situation. Almost all the permanent ice were gone..what we see are rocks. I found the answer why that bomdelling flood plains with nice rice fields were flooded in recent times.
 
 IN THIS CAE I CONCLUDED THAT, if we donot use things and they might just go away with out our proper understanding like the glaciers. I think the concern about sustainability will be real of we make best uses of natural resources rather than restricting its usage. I think it is high time we table out things and work for real conservation ( NO plicing but Partnership)
 
Beside Cordyceps there several other high value medicianl plants in these alpine areas, one is for sure Picorhiza ( spelling!!) and i was told there are many more. So lets explore more for those rather than sitting and thinking about sustainbility.
 
Best regards
 
Purna B.Chhetri
Research Fellow
Institute of Silviculture
BOKU
PeterjordanStrasse, 82
Wein, 1190
Austria
 
 
 
 


Phuntsho Namgyel <phuntshonamgyel2001@...> wrote:

Dear Dr. Dhital,

You asked me a few questions. I am sorry for the delay in writing you
back. Anyway, postings by Dr. Thinley, Peter, and others have largely
answered your questions, but still I will add my perspective to your
questions on 'resource base' and 'sustainability' issues of a plant-
based resource in general, and Cordyceps in particular.

I have over the recent years come to believe that we are sometimes
too preoccupied with the concept of sustainable management for
anything and everything connected to the use of natural resources. I
feel that this preoccupation is not necessary, and that it in fact is
ecologically, economically and socially detrimental when viewed out
of context. Our overly environmental concern immobilizes us to
formulate policies which otherwise our poor rural people could value
and be blessed by the rich biodiversity around them, but instead the
rich bio-diversity oftentimes brings them the curse.

Cordyceps now a 'gem' was a curse to the yak herders prior 2004 when
it was illegal to pick it. Since the public policy banned the picking
of Cordyceps prior 2008, the law enforcement (forest and park)
personnel as part of their lawful duty policed and fined the local
people caught with the illegal possession of Cordyceps. The local
people found themselves confused with the public policy formulated by
their Government and felt unnecessarily harassed by the law.

The public policy ban on Cordyceps was due to one underlying
assumption amongst the natural resource policy makers, managers and
researchers that Cordyceps was a 'rare species' which needed the
state protection, and if people extracted it, it would be wiped out
of the face of the earth.

The current commercial demand for Cordyceps is reported to have
started since 1980s, and the demand is rising. Cordyceps collection
for Chinese emperors and nobility has been there hundreds of years
ago. Even during then, Cordyceps was considered a rare product, but
now on reflection, this rarity may not have been due to ecological
rarity but difficulty of locating it - a needle in a haystack.

Like any plant-based product, there is a cycle of good and bad
production year. Not realizing this, resource managers and
researchers are quick to jump at a bad production year as over-
exploitation of the resource base.

Cordyceps is a fungus parasiting on caterpillars. One single
Cordyceps may produce thousands of spores, and the technology
employed in the extraction of it is hand picking in a vast forbidding
alpine wilderness, there is no way Cordyceps collectors can sweep
clean the alpine bushes and floor like the giant fishing nets
employed by big fishing trawlers in the west do to fishes in the sea.

There is a theory even proposed that since commercial extraction of
Cordyceps, the humans have become important agent of its dispersal in
addition to wind and water.

Cordyceps picking should not be a matter of concern from the point of
sustainable management, but like Peter said, we should rather try to
understand more about the population dynamics of the caterpillar
(moth). I would guess the caterpillar population dynamics would not
be influenced strongly by the Cordyceps collectors as infection of
caterpillar by the fungus is reported to be in the Sept/Oct when the
picking would have ended by July.

I am going on and on. I better end this posting.

Before I do, I just want to mention a few theories which might be
useful in the discussion on sustainable management.

Firstly, economic extinction precedes ecological extinction which
means that for example if the population base of Cordyceps declined
considerably, there would be few collectors venturing out since it
does not pay them to invest their time.

Secondly, the history shows, the demand for a natural product is not
guaranteed because of domestication and synthetic production of the
natural product e.g. American ginseng; natural rubber; and chi-cle
(chewing gum). The isolation and culture of Cordyceps in laboratory
have been successful since early 1980s. Much of Cordyceps products in
the west is laboratory produced.

Thirdly, NTFP is a sub-set of biodiversity people value, and provides
an incentive for people to take responsibility for its proper upkeep.

Finally, there are a lot of safety checks in the Bhutanese context
viz. small population and large resource base.

I hope this posting today coming on such an important day as the
Social Forestry Day in our country shall generate more discussion.

Warmest regards

Phuntsho Namgyel






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Dear senior and friends I had been very passive member of the forum for sometimes. I am just reading your valauble concerns on various issues in natural...
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Sustainability? I have been a bit amazed by various members suggesting to dump concerns about sustainability and harvest while you can and think about...
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Yes poel is right! The agrument was not on over use of species and wiping it out. It was more to do with knowing how to use the resources ( genetic resources)...
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Hi, I had an opportunity to  travel around Soe and Lingshi areas when i was working at RC-Yusipang. From our observation Cordyceps is not found growing...
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