On Sat, 25 Sep 1999 09:24:43 -0700
James Bidwell <jbidwell@...> wrote:

> From: James Bidwell <jbidwell@...>
>
> To add to other people's suggestions for alternatives to expensive current
models:
>
>     - For a few years Ford Lincolns were fitted with a 6 cylinder 115 hp turbo
diesel sold as a
> BMW engine, but according to my information made by Puch in Graz, Austria. 
The same engine was
> installed in one of the 500 series BMW's and I've heard it can be found in the
occasional Volvo.
> It's also used in an amazing motor home called the Vixen.  If the Vixen list
is any indication,
> this motor enjoys a great deal of enthusiasm.  Maybe someone can find the
exact models and years
> for the cars.
>

I hear its a good engine, parts being harder to find then your average
mercedes or vw, but better then finding parts for any of the japanese
diesel powered cars.

The volvo though had a VW engine. A 6 cylinder engine that is used by
trucks in europe. The vw trucks are called LT's.

The volvo's are also good for getting parts for, just below getting
parts for vw/mercedes again. Tough motor.

>     - Starting with the 180D in the mid 60's right up to the present, Mercedes
has produced and
> exported 4, 5, and 6 cylinder diesels.  Among the cheapest are the late 70's -
mid 80's "123's",
> which came with either the 4 cylinder 240D or the 5 cylinder 300D and 300D
turbo. They usually go
> for between $800 and $2000.  A friend of mine got a nice 123 station wagon for
$1000.  The earlier
> "115's" are even less expensive, but tend to be pretty rusty.  They came with
the 220D, 240D and
> 300D.  Haven't seen any of these as station wagons.
>
>     - A VW aficionado here in Western Mass drives an interesting model worth
mentioning, the
> Quantum turbo diesel.  So among the Rabbits and Jettas, there are other VW's
to consider.
>

One more wierd option. People who own Suzuki samari's find getting
rebuilt 1300cc and 1600cc engines fairly costly, so an offroad company
decided to offer a kit (and still does) to mount up any of the 4 cyl
engines from a vw. The kit was first created so that people could put
1.6 diesels in there. The low end torque, and simplicity/availibility
made it a perfect engine for offroading Sammie's. Since then I've seen
everything from 1.6 straight diesels to 1.9 TD's used. Plus some gas
motors...

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84 Rabbit D - daily driver
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To add to other people's suggestions for alternatives to expensive current
models:

     - For a few years Ford Lincolns were fitted with a 6 cylinder 115 hp turbo
diesel sold as a
BMW engine, but according to my information made by Puch in Graz, Austria.  The
same engine was
installed in one of the 500 series BMW's and I've heard it can be found in the
occasional Volvo.
It's also used in an amazing motor home called the Vixen.  If the Vixen list is
any indication,
this motor enjoys a great deal of enthusiasm.  Maybe someone can find the exact
models and years
for the cars.

     - Starting with the 180D in the mid 60's right up to the present, Mercedes
has produced and
exported 4, 5, and 6 cylinder diesels.  Among the cheapest are the late 70's -
mid 80's "123's",
which came with either the 4 cylinder 240D or the 5 cylinder 300D and 300D
turbo. They usually go
for between $800 and $2000.  A friend of mine got a nice 123 station wagon for
$1000.  The earlier
"115's" are even less expensive, but tend to be pretty rusty.  They came with
the 220D, 240D and
300D.  Haven't seen any of these as station wagons.

     - A VW aficionado here in Western Mass drives an interesting model worth
mentioning, the
Quantum turbo diesel.  So among the Rabbits and Jettas, there are other VW's to
consider.

Cheers, Jamey

Dominique Cormann wrote:

> From: Dominique Cormann <ml@...>
>
> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:42:32 -0500
> steve sims <stvsms@...> wrote:
>
> > From: steve sims <stvsms@...>
> >
> > actually, i would be looking for something used...of the twenty or so
vehicles i have owned,
> > only one was new and it was cheap! (1971  amc gremlin) so, if vw is it, vw
> > will do...makes the search and the decision that much easier. but it's
interesting
> > that there aren't a lot more choices...that was the intent however feeble of
my inquiry...to
> > find out what used vehicles are out there besides the $25,000 duallys and
the SUVs...
> >
>
> Ahh...Okay now that I understand your needs better ( should have read
> your post twice ), I can tell you the diesels that are availible used in
> north america that aren't large trucks/suvs or expensive luxury
> vehicles.
>
> Mercedes - some of the older diesels are not to bad in price, and are
> built like tanks...but parts are more expensive then VW's obviously, but
> good aftermarket and such, so you'll never have to hunt to for parts at
> least.
>
> Ford - Ranger pickup came in diesel (mitsubish and mazda engines
> depending on year). Ford tempo (mazda engine), and escort (mazda
> engine).
>
> GM - they made a caprice in diesel, DO NOT BUY THIS PIECE OF JUNK...if
> you can even find one still running...they were unbelievable bad
> engines...you'll probably not find one since they managed to kill
> themselves quite nicely.
>
> VW - almost everything can be had in diesel ( the rabbit pickups are a
> nice one to have ), only the scirocco and cabriolets didn't come in
> diesels here.
>
> Toyota - the camry came in a diesel form
>
> Nissan - the Sentra came in diesel for a few years
>
> BUT having said that. ONLY the VW's and the mercedes cars have a good
> supply of parts and cars in the used market to bother looking at.
>
> The other cars exists to briefly to become popular enough to make it
> worth while for ppl to stock parts for them.
>
> Good luck.
>
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>
> 84 Rabbit D - daily driver
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>
> > Thanks for participating in the biodiesel discussion group. Please invite a
friend to join.

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:42:32 -0500
steve sims <stvsms@...> wrote:

> From: steve sims <stvsms@...>
>
> actually, i would be looking for something used...of the twenty or so vehicles
i have owned,
> only one was new and it was cheap! (1971  amc gremlin) so, if vw is it, vw
> will do...makes the search and the decision that much easier. but it's
interesting
> that there aren't a lot more choices...that was the intent however feeble of
my inquiry...to
> find out what used vehicles are out there besides the $25,000 duallys and the
SUVs...
>

Ahh...Okay now that I understand your needs better ( should have read
your post twice ), I can tell you the diesels that are availible used in
north america that aren't large trucks/suvs or expensive luxury
vehicles.

Mercedes - some of the older diesels are not to bad in price, and are
built like tanks...but parts are more expensive then VW's obviously, but
good aftermarket and such, so you'll never have to hunt to for parts at
least.

Ford - Ranger pickup came in diesel (mitsubish and mazda engines
depending on year). Ford tempo (mazda engine), and escort (mazda
engine).

GM - they made a caprice in diesel, DO NOT BUY THIS PIECE OF JUNK...if
you can even find one still running...they were unbelievable bad
engines...you'll probably not find one since they managed to kill
themselves quite nicely.

VW - almost everything can be had in diesel ( the rabbit pickups are a
nice one to have ), only the scirocco and cabriolets didn't come in
diesels here.

Toyota - the camry came in a diesel form

Nissan - the Sentra came in diesel for a few years


BUT having said that. ONLY the VW's and the mercedes cars have a good
supply of parts and cars in the used market to bother looking at.

The other cars exists to briefly to become popular enough to make it
worth while for ppl to stock parts for them.

Good luck.

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84 Rabbit D - daily driver
84 Rabbit GTD - work'in on it      Email:dcormann@...

Steve,

You can run any Diesel vehicle on 100% biodiesel. We have done it off and on for
over 25,000 miles
of travel in the Veggie Van, which has a Renault engine, and in our 1982 VW
Jetta.

Joshua

> From: steve sims <stvsms@...>
>
> i would like to know, what are some of the recommended vehicles for fuel
efficiency?
> are there any stats kept or contests held for biodiesel efficiency?
>  is it feasable and practical to run a vehicle 100% biodiesel?
> it seems that most all the vehicles with diesels are luxury cars and large
pickups.
> whatever happened to the Rabbit diesel? ...i remember a time in the mid-1970's
> when they were in such demand that used ones were selling above their new
sticker price!

Thanks Josh for the input on the vanagon. I have noticed that others are on
a search for a cheap diesel. I called a VW dealer near me to inquire about a
used diesel Jetta under $8000. He had nothing under $8000 on the lot.

What he and other car experts have told me is basically this: GM screwed up
the US diesel market in the late 70's. GM released a whole lot of regular
engines that were supposed to run on diesel, or regular diesels, and they
turned out to be lemons. So the US consumer was burned on diesel.

I was hoping that Saturn or Hyundai made a diesel. Hyundai does not, and I
don't think Saturn does either.

I have been told that the only people who look for diesel now, are people
who have owned it before, or had a friend or family member who owned one, or
truckers. Basically, people who have used diesel seek out the vehicles,
because they tend to last forever. But they also keep the vehicles forever
too. Therefore, it's hard to find used diesel vehicles. I can attest to
this. I am not even in the market to replace the 88 toyota I have now, but I
am researching now so I can be ready when the time comes. Where I live, I am
the only one without a pickup truck, so I may check on used Toyota diesel
pickups.

I bought the book, and I can't wait to get a setup in my garage. I'll
probably have the biodiesel processor before a diesel car.

PEACE Andy aka Revlovejoy
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actually, i would be looking for something used...of the twenty or so vehicles i
have owned,
only one was new and it was cheap! (1971  amc gremlin) so, if vw is it, vw
will do...makes the search and the decision that much easier. but it's
interesting
that there aren't a lot more choices...that was the intent however feeble of my
inquiry...to
find out what used vehicles are out there besides the $25,000 duallys and the
SUVs...

Dominique Cormann wrote:

> From: Dominique Cormann <ml@...>
>
> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:16:33 -0500
> steve sims <stvsms@...> wrote:
>
> > From: steve sims <stvsms@...>
> >
> > i would like to know, what are some of the recommended vehicles for fuel
efficiency?
> > are there any stats kept or contests held for biodiesel efficiency?
> >  is it feasable and practical to run a vehicle 100% biodiesel?
> > it seems that most all the vehicles with diesels are luxury cars and large
pickups.
> > whatever happened to the Rabbit diesel? ...i remember a time in the
mid-1970's
> > when they were in such demand that used ones were selling above their new
sticker price!
> >
>
> VW still sells diesels. VW Golf, jetta, passats (soon). Used passats
> exist...eurovan also comes in diesel.
>
> So there is something like the rabbit in diesel form if you must have
> something new.
>
> --
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>
> 84 Rabbit D - daily driver
> 84 Rabbit GTD - work'in on it      Email:dcormann@...
>
> > Thanks for participating in the biodiesel discussion group. Please invite a
friend to join.

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:16:33 -0500
steve sims <stvsms@...> wrote:

> From: steve sims <stvsms@...>
>
> i would like to know, what are some of the recommended vehicles for fuel
efficiency?
> are there any stats kept or contests held for biodiesel efficiency?
>  is it feasable and practical to run a vehicle 100% biodiesel?
> it seems that most all the vehicles with diesels are luxury cars and large
pickups.
> whatever happened to the Rabbit diesel? ...i remember a time in the mid-1970's
> when they were in such demand that used ones were selling above their new
sticker price!
>

VW still sells diesels. VW Golf, jetta, passats (soon). Used passats
exist...eurovan also comes in diesel.

So there is something like the rabbit in diesel form if you must have
something new.



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Dominique Cormann                Homepage: http://kozmik.guelph.on.ca

84 Rabbit D - daily driver
84 Rabbit GTD - work'in on it      Email:dcormann@...

i would like to know, what are some of the recommended vehicles for fuel
efficiency?
are there any stats kept or contests held for biodiesel efficiency?
  is it feasable and practical to run a vehicle 100% biodiesel?
it seems that most all the vehicles with diesels are luxury cars and large
pickups.
whatever happened to the Rabbit diesel? ...i remember a time in the mid-1970's
when they were in such demand that used ones were selling above their new
sticker price!

Joshua Tickell wrote:

> From: Joshua Tickell <tickell@...>
>
> Andrew,
>
> I know that other folks on this list have had bad experiences with VW diesel
Vanagons. But the
> diesel Vanagon is one of my favorite vehicles. You can learn a lot about them
at
> http://www.vanagon.com and http://www.westfalia.org

Gene,

I don't recommend modifying the biodiesel fuel. Fuel treatment products are
unreliable. As our
book explains, there are a number of simple, off the shelf components that can
be installed on
any diesel engine or vehicle to allow it to run at -30 degrees Fahrenheit. These
devices
include fuel line heaters, fuel filter heaters, and fuel tank heaters.

Best,

Joshua Tickell

Gene Hoxie wrote:

>
> From: Gene Hoxie <Sales@...>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Here where it gets COLD in the winter, they use a modified diesel fuel
> during the winter months.  It often gets to 30 below, or colder, here.
> Can anyone tell me what if any modifications must be made to the
> Biodiesel and/or the engine for cold weather?
>
> Gene
> Sheridan, WY
>
> > Thanks for participating in the biodiesel discussion group. Please invite a
friend to join.

Andrew,

I know that other folks on this list have had bad experiences with VW diesel
Vanagons. But the
diesel Vanagon is one of my favorite vehicles. You can learn a lot about them at
http://www.vanagon.com and http://www.westfalia.org

Basically, I think that a diesel Vanagon that has been well maintained and is
still in workable
condition will cost around $5,000. This may seem expensive for a used vehicle of
that age, but
these vans were well made and rather pricey to begin with. If you buy an
inexpensive diesel
Vanagon with a lot of miles on it, you are bound to have trouble. They are so
well built that
they can "seem" OK until a few months down the road when you notice a crack in
the head or
something awful like that. So get a compression test on any Vanagon you're
thinking about
buying BEFORE you put any money down.

The setup cost to make your own biodiesel processor can be less than $100 if you
find used
parts and are handy. If you want to convert a vehicle to run on straight
vegetable oil (this is
different from running a vehicle on biodiesel), then it will cost between
$250-500 to add the
extra fuel tank and heating fuel lines to the vehicle. Any vehicle using
biodiesel and any
vehicle converted to run on straight vegetable oil can still use diesel fuel.

Hope this clears things up a bit.

Joshua Tickell




>
> From: Andrew and/or Meghan Weaver <andynmeg@...>
>
> Thanks to the Hightower newsletter a couple months ago, I read about the
> veggievan. I perused the website. I searched for biodiesel online. And,
> after seeing the success, I am prepared to do something thoroughly
> unAmerican and try a non-petroleum product!
>
> I read ALL the archives of this list, and I see there are not many. Glad to
> see that Joshua Tickell is a contributing reader/member of the community.
>
> I was glad to see some discussion of VW bus engines - I do not currently own
> one, but I want to get one, and I am now discouraged from doing so, after
> reading the troubles many of you had. I can't afford a late model VW. I am
> committed to getting a diesel vehicle though, and there is a diesel 82
> vanogen with 134k near me I can get for $3000. (Advice on this particular
> vehicle is appreciated)
>
> I plan on ordering the book, but I have been cheap. When it arrives, I will
> take it to a VW guru I know to see if he could do the modification for the
> second tank.
>
> I would love to hear on this list from others who have started making
> biodiesel small scale, for their own passenger cars. I want to do this, but
> of course everyone I talk to about it thinks I am nuts (I make my own beer
> and wine too, and that's strange to people anyway) - I fully intend to get a
> diesel just for the sake of running biodiesel.
>
> I just need to know if there is a "catch" I am missing. I know that Joshua
> and Kaia said they made their first batch in a blender, but the photos I
> have seen of the veggie van involve a large processing unit that was towed
> behind. That thing looks expensive, and I have no idea what is in it.
>
> Bottom line - I will order the book, but is the setup cost for an individual
> REALLY low-end?

Hi All,

Here where it gets COLD in the winter, they use a modified diesel fuel
during the winter months.  It often gets to 30 below, or colder, here.
Can anyone tell me what if any modifications must be made to the
Biodiesel and/or the engine for cold weather?

Gene
Sheridan, WY

Thanks to the Hightower newsletter a couple months ago, I read about the
veggievan. I perused the website. I searched for biodiesel online. And,
after seeing the success, I am prepared to do something thoroughly
unAmerican and try a non-petroleum product!

I read ALL the archives of this list, and I see there are not many. Glad to
see that Joshua Tickell is a contributing reader/member of the community.

I was glad to see some discussion of VW bus engines - I do not currently own
one, but I want to get one, and I am now discouraged from doing so, after
reading the troubles many of you had. I can't afford a late model VW. I am
committed to getting a diesel vehicle though, and there is a diesel 82
vanogen with 134k near me I can get for $3000. (Advice on this particular
vehicle is appreciated)

I plan on ordering the book, but I have been cheap. When it arrives, I will
take it to a VW guru I know to see if he could do the modification for the
second tank.

I would love to hear on this list from others who have started making
biodiesel small scale, for their own passenger cars. I want to do this, but
of course everyone I talk to about it thinks I am nuts (I make my own beer
and wine too, and that's strange to people anyway) - I fully intend to get a
diesel just for the sake of running biodiesel.

I just need to know if there is a "catch" I am missing. I know that Joshua
and Kaia said they made their first batch in a blender, but the photos I
have seen of the veggie van involve a large processing unit that was towed
behind. That thing looks expensive, and I have no idea what is in it.

Bottom line - I will order the book, but is the setup cost for an individual
REALLY low-end?

Thanks!
PEACE Andy aka Revlovejoy
http://www.sunlink.net/~andynmeg/
---------------------------
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The modification to allow a Diesel engine to be fueled with straight vegetable
oil includes a
metal vegetable oil tank, a solenoid valve to switch between the original tank
and the vegetable
oil tank, a special hose which carries engine coolant and vegetable oil (in
order to heat the
vegetable oil,) a special mesh screen filter, and an optional fuel filter pre
heater. The
modification costs from $250-500 depending on how much of the work you do
yourself. No
modifications are made to the engine, injectors, fuel pump, or other crucial
operating systems.
After the modification is made, the engine is started on biodiesel or diesel
fuel and then
switched to straight vegetable oil. You drive around on vegetable oil (or run
the generator if
you are using this system with a diesel gen-set) then when you are ready to turn
the engine off,
just switch the engine back to diesel fuel for a few minutes. Chapter 9 in From
the Fryer to the
Fuel Tank explains how to perform the modification and includes photographs,
diagrams, parts
lists, and instructions. For more information about the book see
http://www.veggievan.org/book

-Joshua

> Thanks for the info. From the limited information I have seen on the
> modifications, it is simply adding a heated tank for the veggie oil? Are
> there any engine/injector mods? Does used veggie oil work straight?
>
> And, being a man of many questions, can you point me to a resource of
> modifications for running straight veggie oil.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -jon

Thanks for the info. From the limited information I have seen on the
modifications, it is simply adding a heated tank for the veggie oil? Are
there any engine/injector mods? Does used veggie oil work straight?

And, being a man of many questions, can you point me to a resource of
modifications for running straight veggie oil.

Thanks!

-jon

On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Tickell wrote:

> From: Tickell <tickell@...>
>
> Yes, all of the VW/Audi Diesels can be modified. In fact, any Diesel
> engine can be. The nice thing about the modification is that it keeps
> the normal fuel tank so that you can use regular diesel fuel or
> biodiesel fuel and it adds a special secondary tank strictly for
> straight vegetable oil. So the engine retains its original ability to
> run on diesel or biodiesel and gains the ability to burn straight veg.
> oil.
>
> -Joshua
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Greetings to the entire list.

I initially set this list to "moderated status" but I am changing it to
"un-moderated".  Based on the quality of the postings and interactions and
given my available time, it will probably flow more efficiently without me
moderating and reviewing each message.

Please remember that if you are posting a new subject, just address an
e-mail to biodiesel@onelist.com
if you are responding to another post, click the "Reply" button on your
e-mail software but please be sure to delete all irrelevant previous
postings so the messages don't get too cumbersome.

Thanks again for your participation and if you wish to invite a friend,
forward this e-mail to them and have them click on:
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Thanks so much for your participation and assistance, Joshua.

BTW, Joshua & Kaia's new edition of "From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank" is
tremendous. I would encourage anyone with the slightest interest in
renewable fuels and biodiesel to purchase a copy and read it thoroughly. It
can be ordered from the veggievan website at http://www.veggievan.org or you
can order by phone with a credit card from BookMasters at (800) 266-5564.

Keep up the good work

Kenton R. Cowdry
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Yes, all of the VW/Audi Diesels can be modified. In fact, any Diesel
engine can be. The nice thing about the modification is that it keeps
the normal fuel tank so that you can use regular diesel fuel or
biodiesel fuel and it adds a special secondary tank strictly for
straight vegetable oil. So the engine retains its original ability to
run on diesel or biodiesel and gains the ability to burn straight veg.
oil.

-Joshua

That brings up an interesting questions:

Many Biodiesel folks, including myself, have Volkswagen diesels. Can the
NA and/or Turbo VW engines be modified for straight veggie oil?

-jon

> From: Joshua Tickell <tickell@...>
>
> Biodiesel should work fine in that engine. If you want to make biodiesel, you
can follow the
> process outlined in my Home Power article which you can download in Adobe
Acrobat format from:
> http://www.veggievan.org/Tickell72.pdf or get the current issue of Home Power
Magazine.
>
> If you want to burn vegetable oil directly in the engine, you will have to
modify the coolant
> hoses to heat a separate tank of vegetable oil.
>
> -Joshua
>
> "D. Lewis" wrote:
>
> > From: "D. Lewis" <electric@...>
> >
> > New to the list, now I've got a question... I've got 7.5kW MAXPOWER
> > genset with a CHINA DIESEL engine Model #S1100... how will Biodiesel
> > workin this engine, and or what would it take to burn cooking oil in it?
>
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It works fine in turbodiesels. Our van has a turbodiesel engine. It costs
anywhere from $50 to
$1,000 to build a processor depending on how many recycled or new parts you use.

Obin Olson wrote:

> From: "Obin Olson" <obin_olson@...>
>
> sweet....that is what I wanted to hear..nice 'n cheap!
> ok, now, I want to get a TURBO car to do this with.....will bio work in a
> turbo? it's an Audi, 81 turbo 5cy.
>
> also, I want to make a machine that will make the process of making bio
> easy, clean, and safe...does your book show me how to do that? if yes, how
> much will it cost to make the machine?
>
> THanks for the info!

Biodiesel should work fine in that engine. If you want to make biodiesel, you
can follow the
process outlined in my Home Power article which you can download in Adobe
Acrobat format from:
http://www.veggievan.org/Tickell72.pdf or get the current issue of Home Power
Magazine.

If you want to burn vegetable oil directly in the engine, you will have to
modify the coolant
hoses to heat a separate tank of vegetable oil.

-Joshua

"D. Lewis" wrote:

> From: "D. Lewis" <electric@...>
>
> New to the list, now I've got a question... I've got 7.5kW MAXPOWER
> genset with a CHINA DIESEL engine Model #S1100... how will Biodiesel
> workin this engine, and or what would it take to burn cooking oil in it?

Hi!

I have a Diesel 1983 VW Vanagon. My understanding is that VW made Diesels
for busses for two years: 1982 and 1983. It is a MAJOR project to retro
old busses, to the point of saying it is impossible.

I run Biodiesel in my Vanagon most of the time...runs great. The only
thing I would caution is that make SURE that the biodiesel does not have
excess alcohol. I made that mistake, and had to replace most of the fuel
system with alcohol resistant tubing.

Biodiesel has a great smell when running! :-)

-jon

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New to the list, now I've got a question... I've got 7.5kW MAXPOWER
genset with a CHINA DIESEL engine Model #S1100... how will Biodiesel
workin this engine, and or what would it take to burn cooking oil in it?

sweet....that is what I wanted to hear..nice 'n cheap!
ok, now, I want to get a TURBO car to do this with.....will bio work in a
turbo? it's an Audi, 81 turbo 5cy.

also, I want to make a machine that will make the process of making bio
easy, clean, and safe...does your book show me how to do that? if yes, how
much will it cost to make the machine?

THanks for the info!


>From: Tickell <tickell@...>
>Reply-To: Biodiesel@onelist.com
>To: Biodiesel@onelist.com
>Subject: Re: [Biodiesel] what is the REAL price for Biodiesel????
>Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:19:41 -0700
>
>From: Tickell <tickell@...>
>
>50-75 cents per gallon if you make biodiesel. If you convert your engine
>to be able to burn straight vegetable oil, then the free used cooking
>can be used directly as fuel.
>
>-Joshua Tickell
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50-75 cents per gallon if you make biodiesel. If you convert your engine
to be able to burn straight vegetable oil, then the free used cooking
can be used directly as fuel.

-Joshua Tickell

hello, I would like to do a conversion and all BUT, my question is, if you
make the diesel yourself from used oil how much will it cost per gallon
?
is it cheaper than gas? what has been the most common price for all you bio
fans?

VW Vanagons with Diesel engines were produced from '82 to '89 in the US. It
might be possible
to adapt an air cooled engine chasis to accept a VW diesel engine.

You might check:
http://www.westfalia.org
http://www.vanagon.com

-Joshua Tickell

Gaelan Brown wrote:

> From: "Gaelan Brown" <gaelan@...>
>
> Hello, I'm new to this list, and I'm very excited about the potential for
> biodiesel.  Does anyone know if a diesel engine can be put in the back of an
> old VW bus? Mine will need a new engine soon, and I want to do it right.
> Thanks for any help or direction.
> Gaelan

My guess is that you are asking about a bus that is older than when VW
offered a deisel as an option. I owned a VW Deisel bus for a short time. I
had longed for a deisel for some years and found an 81 deisel bus 7 years
ago. It had a rather new head overhaul as the timing belt had broken for the
owner and he had spent about $600 in having the damage repaiered. (bent
valves as the engine is a zero clearance engine by design) Within a few
thousand miles, I had the same fate and was faced with another bill of like
size. In research, I found this to be a constant problem and I traded the
bus as is, to a mechanic for his labor bill on my other vehicles, because he
was confident that HE could fare better with the deisel. He was low on funds
and took some time to get the bus running and soon thereafter again faced
the same broken belt scene. AT that point he pulled the engine and replaced
it with a Rabbit gas engine. So my question to you at this point, regarding
replacing a gas engine in a VW bus, would be, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO???
There have to be better deisels out there, (not made by VW or GM)
Jim

On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:11:01 +0000, Gaelan Brown wrote:

> From: "Gaelan Brown" <gaelan@...>
>
> Hello, I'm new to this list, and I'm very excited about the potential for
> biodiesel.  Does anyone know if a diesel engine can be put in the back of
an
> old VW bus? Mine will need a new engine soon, and I want to do it right.
> Thanks for any help or direction.
> Gaelan
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Hello, I'm new to this list, and I'm very excited about the potential for
biodiesel.  Does anyone know if a diesel engine can be put in the back of an
old VW bus? Mine will need a new engine soon, and I want to do it right.
Thanks for any help or direction.
Gaelan
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Subject: [Biodiesel] Digest Number 1
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>Dear Kenton and Biodiesel Fans,

Here at ecogenics we are now growing biofuel algae. It is called
butyrococcus - its a yellow-green algae with high lipid content, another we
are growing is dunaliela, check out the website thumbnails and youll see
some of it..
www dabney.com/ecogenics/

all the best to you.

marco

Marc Orion Cardoso

E-mail: ecogenics@...





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Greetings,

It appears that we are not the only ones interested in clean fuel
from renewable sources. Less than 48 hrs. after our biodiesel
newsletter went out, Mr. Clinton set a strong goal for the U.S.
DOA, DOE, and associated research organizations. Clinton wants to
develop biofuels and to triple the use of biomass to displace 348
million barrels of oil a year, equal to 158 super tankers.

For more info., have a look
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/Reuters19990812_2633.html

Best,
Joshua Tickell

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>Dear Kenton and Biodiesel Fans,

Here at ecogenics we are now growing biofuel algae. It is called
butyrococcus - its a yellow-green algae with high lipid content, another we
are growing is dunaliela, check out the website thumbnails and youll see
some of it..
www dabney.com/ecogenics/

all the best to you.

marco

Marc Orion Cardoso

E-mail: ecogenics@...

Dear Biodiesel Fans,

I am posting an issue of Joshua & Kaia's newsletter here... their new
edition is available now and it is GREAT. For those who have read the 1st
edition, it is worth it to go to the next edition...

Blessings,

Kenton R. Cowdry
RJK Power, North America
http://www.rjkpower.com
skylar@...

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THE BIODIESEL NEWSLETTER:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Alternative Fuel From Vegetable Oil
and Other Sustainable Technologies

E-mail Edition for Fall 1999
Produced by GreenTeach Publishing

Contents:
1. New Biodiesel Book Released
2. 20% Book Discount for Newsletter Readers
3. Free How To Make Biodiesel Article
4. Message Board Gains Momentum
5. Kaia’s Kitchen - Recipe of the Season
6. Web Site Picks


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TOP STORY: NEW BIODIESEL BOOK RELEASED
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>From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank:
The Complete Guide to Using Vegetable Oil as an
Alternative Fuel, has just been released!

This second edition book details every aspect of running
a Diesel engine on vegetable oil. (The only similarities
between the first and second editions of From the Fryer
to the Fuel Tank are the first seven words in the title and
the first three paragraphs of the book.) The new edition is
162 pages long and packed with over 130 photos, diagrams,
and graphs. Included are new explanations of the Diesel
engine, pre-calculated amounts of reactants to use in the
biodiesel process, descriptions of cold weather Diesel
engine modifications, and information about growing and
processing oilseed crops. The book contains instructions
for testing biodiesel and for safely dealing with mistakes.
Diagrams and photos allow the reader to follow step by
step instructions. Parts lists and product suppliers are
included for each chapter. There are 5 new How-To
Chapters which explain:

How to Make Biodiesel (including how to test homemade biodiesel)
How to Build a Biodiesel Processor (with diagrams and parts lists)
How to Run a Diesel Engine on Vegetable Oil and Kerosene
How to Run Any Diesel Engine on STRAIGHT VEGETABLE OIL
Troubleshooting, Common Mistakes, and Success Stories

If you have been looking for instructions, parts lists, and
diagrams for building a biodiesel processor to make fuel for
your unmodified Diesel vehicle or engine, Chapter 7, How to
Build a Biodiesel Processor, has the information you need.
Chapter 7 gives instructions for building several different
types of biodiesel processors. Chapter 7 tells you how to make
a biodiesel processor from recycled parts for as little as $50 as
well as how to build a professional biodiesel processor from
off-the-shelf parts.

Another important new chapter in the book is Chapter 9, which
explains how to modify any Diesel engine to run on straight
vegetable oil. This simple engine modification allows anyone to
literally pour vegetable oil from a restaurant fryer right into the
fuel tank of a Diesel car. This modification eliminates the need
to perform the chemical process of making biodiesel. Of course,
the same modification can be made to any Diesel generator or
other Diesel engine.

For more information about the book, see
http://www.veggievan.org/book


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20% BOOK DISCOUNT FOR NEWSLETTER READERS
************************************************

Through AUGUST 20th, all Biodiesel Newsletter readers
will receive a 20% DISCOUNT on the new edition of
>From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank. That’s $5 off the cover
price of $24.95 ~ Your price is only $19.95 (plus shipping).

To take advantage of this limited time offer, you must order
the book from BookMasters and state that you want the
NEWSLETTER DISCOUNT. This offer is only good until
11:59 p.m. EST on August 20th. All orders received after
11:59 p.m. EST on August 20th will be charged the full
cover price of $24.95.


To order the book from BookMasters with any major credit
card, call 1-800-266-5564 or 1-419-281-1802  24 hrs/day.

Or order online at:
http://www.veggievan.org/oform.html
(You must change the price to $19.95 and put
NEWSLETTER DISCOUNT in the Comments
field at the bottom of the form)

Or send a check in U.S. dollars drawn on a bank
with a U.S. address in the amount of $19.95
plus $5 shipping and handling (outside U.S.A. add $5)
payable to:
BookMasters
P.O. Box 388
Ashland, OH 44805
(Discount orders must be received by AUGUST 20th
and include a note stating that you want the
NEWSLETTER DISCOUNT)


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FREE “HOW TO MAKE BIODIESEL” ARTICLE
*******************************************
Those of you who receive Home Power Magazine, one
of the greatest printed resources for alternative energy,
will find a detailed article on how to make biodiesel in
the August/September issue (HP#72). But even if you
don’t subscribe to Home Power, you can learn how to
make biodiesel for free by downloading a copy of the
article from the Veggie Van web site. The article gives
step by step instructions for making biodiesel from new
or used vegetable oil. The article is published in Adobe
Acrobat format. In order to read and print the article,
you will need to install the free program, Adobe Acrobat
Reader, on your computer.

To download the article, go to:
http://www.veggievan.org/Tickell72.pdf

To download the free Adobe Acrobat Reader program, go to:
http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html

To learn more about Home Power Magazine, to order
issue #72, or to subscribe, go to:
http://www.homepower.com



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MESSAGE BOARD GAINS MOMENTUM
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If you have visited the Biodiesel Message Board and
Discussion Group located at
http://www.veggievan.org/message.html
you have already discovered what a lively community
of vegetable oil fuel enthusiasts can do for one another.
Hot discussion topics include: converting a gasoline
vehicle to a Diesel, tips and tricks on making biodiesel,
and finding other folks in your area who are interested
in community fuel production. Visit the message board
to meet people from across the U.S., Australia, England,
Canada, and other countries who are making fuel in
their workshops and backyards.

http://www.veggievan.org/message.html


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KAIA’S KITCHEN - RECIPE OF THE SEASON
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Roasted Red Pepper Pasta Sauce

Roast or grill 3 red peppers
Roast ½ red onion, sliced
Roast 5 cloves garlic
When peppers are blackened, peel them. Put all
ingredients with 1/3 cup olive oil and ½ teaspoon
salt in a food processor and process until chunky.
Serve with the pasta of your choice.


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WEB SITE PICKS
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ENREN TAKES ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGY
LINKS TO NEW HEIGHTS

It’s always nice to see your tax dollars paying for
useful services. One of the best organized
alternative technology internet resources is the DOE’s
Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network
web site. This site contains links to hundreds of
organizations, web sites products, and companies
involved in energy efficiency and renewable
technology. Are you looking for information on
solar, hydrogen, biomass, wind power, or alternative
transportation? Do you have a question about a
renewable technology that nobody can answer?
Then this site may be just what you’re looking for.

http://www.eren.doe.gov/


PERILOUS LIFELINE TO THE WEST
Conflict-ridden Caspian basin is the world's next
Persian Gulf by Frank Viviano

This awe-inspiring series appeared in the San Francisco
Chronicle August 10-13 of 1998. If you are upset about
prices at the fuel pump, just wait a few years. Oil prices
will climb as petroleum companies begin to exploit the
Caspian Sea, which holds the world’s largest oil reserves.
The Caspian region contains an estimated 200 billion barrels,
enough to fuel the industrialized world for 10 years at the
current consumption rate. The war-torn body of water wedged
between Iran and the former USSR will soon be home to the
Earth’s main supply of petroleum energy. The author suggests
this vast oil reserve will fuel Earth for another 200 years,
what do you think?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1998/08/10
/MN1650.DTL


Greg Emerson of Lucid Dreams Productions won a
free copy of From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank  for finding
the bad links at www.veggievan.org. Congratulations Greg
and good job!

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