I have been looking at making Bio diesel, actually did the 1 liter

thing using KOH, I have for hydrogen generator. As far as buildin a

processor for it, that seems rather straigh fwd and collecting the used

greese is no problem in my area, Idabel, Okla.

   My question is on the methanol. Closest source to me 140 miles, only

5 gal containers, at $43, or internet orders still running at 7 to 8

dollars a gallon. If I am correct 22% by volume, for a 20 gallon batch

of bio would be 4.4 gallons or in the area of $36. Again if my math is

correct, roughtly it would cost $2 a gallon to produce, with out

recovering the methanol. I had not orginaly intended to build a

recovery system, but now think it is a must for finanical reasoning.

    My question, have I missed, just went to the wrong sources to get

the methanol, or am I missing  something in my calaucations ? Thanks in

advance, Bill C

william(Bill) M. Cowart wrote:

>    I have been looking at making Bio diesel, actually did the 1 liter

> thing using KOH, I have for hydrogen generator. As far as buildin a

> processor for it, that seems rather straigh fwd and collecting the used

> greese is no problem in my area, Idabel, Okla.

>   My question is on the methanol. Closest source to me 140 miles, only

> 5 gal containers, at $43, or internet orders still running at 7 to 8

> dollars a gallon. If I am correct 22% by volume, for a 20 gallon batch

> of bio would be 4.4 gallons or in the area of $36. Again if my math is

> correct, roughtly it would cost $2 a gallon to produce, with out

> recovering the methanol. I had not orginaly intended to build a

> recovery system, but now think it is a must for finanical reasoning.

>    My question, have I missed, just went to the wrong sources to get

> the methanol, or am I missing  something in my calaucations ? Thanks in

> advance, Bill C

>





You definitely want to look around.  I haven't priced it recently, but

last time I bought commercially it was ~4/gal.  I last bought it from a

commercial biodiesel operation in the area - his bulk price at the time

was around 2/gal and I bought it for 2.75.  That was when gas was still

$4.00, so I expect the price has come down some since.  $8 sounds absurd.



--- David

I'm more of a dreamer than a doer. Let's say you pick up dried leaves, paper,

and wood chips. These can be destructively distilled to yield 50% water and 10%

methanol. The remainder is charcoal, which I read is great for the garden. I

figure to make a few gallons of methanol, it would cost hundreds of dollars,

thousands of hours, and fill my whole back yard.

Regards,

Brian Jensen

chemical engineer





--- On Wed, 1/7/09, David Miller <riley_4_prez@...> wrote:



From: David Miller <riley_4_prez@...>

Subject: Re: [Biodiesel] Question on Methanol Cost

To: Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:34 AM













william(Bill) M. Cowart wrote:

> I have been looking at making Bio diesel, actually did the 1 liter

> thing using KOH, I have for hydrogen generator. As far as buildin a

> processor for it, that seems rather straigh fwd and collecting the used

> greese is no problem in my area, Idabel, Okla.

> My question is on the methanol. Closest source to me 140 miles, only

> 5 gal containers, at $43, or internet orders still running at 7 to 8

> dollars a gallon. If I am correct 22% by volume, for a 20 gallon batch

> of bio would be 4.4 gallons or in the area of $36. Again if my math is

> correct, roughtly it would cost $2 a gallon to produce, with out

> recovering the methanol. I had not orginaly intended to build a

> recovery system, but now think it is a must for finanical reasoning.

> My question, have I missed, just went to the wrong sources to get

> the methanol, or am I missing something in my calaucations ? Thanks in

> advance, Bill C

>



You definitely want to look around. I haven't priced it recently, but

last time I bought commercially it was ~4/gal. I last bought it from a

commercial biodiesel operation in the area - his bulk price at the time

was around 2/gal and I bought it for 2.75. That was when gas was still

$4.00, so I expect the price has come down some since. $8 sounds absurd.



--- David































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Bill,



Try HHO companies, chemical companies, speed shops, racetracks and even a

biodiesel producer. My methanol cost me just under $3.00 a gallon. I would

highly recommend adding a recovery system, it is not very expensive to add and

will pay for itself in no time, removing the methanol make washing easier too.



Rick



--- On Wed, 1/7/09, william(Bill) M. Cowart <wmcowart@...> wrote:

From: william(Bill) M. Cowart <wmcowart@...>

Subject: [Biodiesel] Question on Methanol Cost

To: Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:49 AM























                I have been looking at making Bio diesel, actually did the 1

liter



thing using KOH, I have for hydrogen generator. As far as buildin a



processor for it, that seems rather straigh fwd and collecting the used



greese is no problem in my area, Idabel, Okla.



   My question is on the methanol. Closest source to me 140 miles, only



5 gal containers, at $43, or internet orders still running at 7 to 8



dollars a gallon. If I am correct 22% by volume, for a 20 gallon batch



of bio would be 4.4 gallons or in the area of $36. Again if my math is



correct, roughtly it would cost $2 a gallon to produce, with out



recovering the methanol. I had not orginaly intended to build a



recovery system, but now think it is a must for finanical reasoning.



    My question, have I missed, just went to the wrong sources to get



the methanol, or am I missing  something in my calaucations ? Thanks in



advance, Bill C



























































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Closest place I have found, 140 miles from me 5 gal for $43, then on

the internet at;   http://www.aaa-chemicals.com/bisore.html ;;it is

$319 a 55 gallon barrel, shipping included. bad  news is no one does

bio arround this are, good news is no competion for used oil. Actually

they pay to have removed.

    If I can get a price at $4 a gallon or cheaper, I am willing to

drive up to 150 miles to get it in Dallas tex, shreveport ,Louisina, or

southren Arkanasa. So if any one knows of it for sale in any oof those

areas, information would be appriciated, Bill C



--- In Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bouvier <rbouvier@...> wrote:

>

> Bill,

>

> Try HHO companies, chemical companies, speed shops, racetracks and

even a biodiesel producer. My methanol cost me just under $3.00 a

gallon. I would highly recommend adding a recovery system, it is not

very expensive to add and will pay for itself in no time, removing the

methanol make washing easier too.

>

> Rick

>

> --- On Wed, 1/7/09, william(Bill) M. Cowart <wmcowart@...> wrote:

> From: william(Bill) M. Cowart <wmcowart@...>

> Subject: [Biodiesel] Question on Methanol Cost

> To: Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:49 AM

Drive a little farther to Houston and I have 55 gal drums for 179.50

Del







--- On Wed, 1/7/09, william(Bill) M. Cowart <wmcowart@...> wrote:

From: william(Bill) M. Cowart <wmcowart@...>

Subject: [Biodiesel] Re: Question on Methanol Cost

To: Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 1:41 PM























                Closest place I have found, 140 miles from me 5 gal for $43, then

on



the internet at;   http://www.aaa- chemicals. com/bisore. html ;;it is



$319 a 55 gallon barrel, shipping included. bad  news is no one does



bio arround this are, good news is no competion for used oil. Actually



they pay to have removed.



    If I can get a price at $4 a gallon or cheaper, I am willing to



drive up to 150 miles to get it in Dallas tex, shreveport ,Louisina, or



southren Arkanasa. So if any one knows of it for sale in any oof those



areas, information would be appriciated, Bill C







--- In Biodiesel@yahoogrou ps.com, Richard Bouvier <rbouvier@.. .> wrote:



>



> Bill,



>



> Try HHO companies, chemical companies, speed shops, racetracks and



even a biodiesel producer. My methanol cost me just under $3.00 a



gallon. I would highly recommend adding a recovery system, it is not



very expensive to add and will pay for itself in no time, removing the



methanol make washing easier too.



>



> Rick



>



> --- On Wed, 1/7/09, william(Bill) M. Cowart <wmcowart@.. .> wrote:



> From: william(Bill) M. Cowart <wmcowart@.. .>



> Subject: [Biodiesel] Question on Methanol Cost



> To: Biodiesel@yahoogrou ps.com



> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:49 AM



























































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http://www.goroadtripping.com/MotorsportsLife-SBS-Louisiana-tracks.html



any tracks that have sprint cars with have methanol.

at the start  of the season you could clean up buy "stale" methanol trackside..

But now I bet any distributor locally that have a half empty drum

would sell it cheap



oz



On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:41 PM, william(Bill) M. Cowart

<wmcowart@...> wrote:

> Closest place I have found, 140 miles from me 5 gal for $43, then on

> the internet at; http://www.aaa-chemicals.com/bisore.html ;;it is

> $319 a 55 gallon barrel, shipping included. bad news is no one does

> bio arround this are, good news is no competion for used oil. Actually

> they pay to have removed.

> If I can get a price at $4 a gallon or cheaper, I am willing to

> drive up to 150 miles to get it in Dallas tex, shreveport ,Louisina, or

> southren Arkanasa. So if any one knows of it for sale in any oof those

> areas, information would be appriciated, Bill C

>

> --- In Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bouvier <rbouvier@...> wrote:

>>

>> Bill,

>>

>> Try HHO companies, chemical companies, speed shops, racetracks and

> even a biodiesel producer. My methanol cost me just under $3.00 a

> gallon. I would highly recommend adding a recovery system, it is not

> very expensive to add and will pay for itself in no time, removing the

> methanol make washing easier too.

>>

>> Rick

>>

>> --- On Wed, 1/7/09, william(Bill) M. Cowart <wmcowart@...> wrote:

>> From: william(Bill) M. Cowart <wmcowart@...>

>> Subject: [Biodiesel] Question on Methanol Cost

>> To: Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com

>> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:49 AM

>

>

it's maybe a tad farther, but Parker Solvents in Fort Smith, Ark. Sells it

by the gallon at competitive prices (haven't bought from there lately but it

was lower than most folks quoted on this list).



Bring you own barrel (I've bought it as little as 10 gallons at a time, just

pay, back up and they pump it till their pump tells them you have the total

amount, but usually i end up with an extra gallon)



They are on wheeler ave, (industrial/comercial area on south part of town.)





Ewing Waymire, Jr.

Poteau, OK 74953





----- Original Message -----

From: "william(Bill) M. Cowart" <wmcowart@...>

To: <Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:41 PM

Subject: [Biodiesel] Re: Question on Methanol Cost





>   Closest place I have found, 140 miles from me 5 gal for $43, then on

> the internet at;   http://www.aaa-chemicals.com/bisore.html ;;it is

> $319 a 55 gallon barrel, shipping included. bad  news is no one does

> bio arround this are, good news is no competion for used oil. Actually

> they pay to have removed.

>   If I can get a price at $4 a gallon or cheaper, I am willing to

> drive up to 150 miles to get it in Dallas tex, shreveport ,Louisina, or

> southren Arkanasa. So if any one knows of it for sale in any oof those

> areas, information would be appriciated, Bill C

>

> --- In Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bouvier <rbouvier@...> wrote:

>>

>> Bill,

>>

>> Try HHO companies, chemical companies, speed shops, racetracks and

> even a biodiesel producer. My methanol cost me just under $3.00 a

> gallon. I would highly recommend adding a recovery system, it is not

> very expensive to add and will pay for itself in no time, removing the

> methanol make washing easier too.

>>

>> Rick

>>

>> --- On Wed, 1/7/09, william(Bill) M. Cowart <wmcowart@...> wrote:

>> From: william(Bill) M. Cowart <wmcowart@...>

>> Subject: [Biodiesel] Question on Methanol Cost

>> To: Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com

>> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:49 AM

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Thanks for participating in the biodiesel discussion group.

>

> Please invite a friend to join by sending them this link:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BiodieselYahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>

>

I think about 1 1/2 hour away, and that would work out great. One

problem of living remote,rural is getting materials. As I said in

eariler post, the advanatage no competion for oil. And at the cost of

even building a good system yourself, logistics need to be considered

first.

    Again thanks for the replies, Bill C



--- In Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com, "Ewing Waymire, Jr."

<ewingandsusie@...> wrote:

>

> it's maybe a tad farther, but Parker Solvents in Fort Smith, Ark.

Sells it

> by the gallon at competitive prices (haven't bought from there lately

but it

> was lower than most folks quoted on this list).

>

> Bring you own barrel (I've bought it as little as 10 gallons at a

time, just

> pay, back up and they pump it till their pump tells them you have the

total

> amount, but usually i end up with an extra gallon)

>

> They are on wheeler ave, (industrial/comercial area on south part of

town.)

Ewing, Just got off the phone wit Parker Solvents, they will work out

great for me, and the cost is much better,  Thanks, Bill C



--- In Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com, "Ewing Waymire, Jr."

<ewingandsusie@...> wrote:

>

> it's maybe a tad farther, but Parker Solvents in Fort Smith, Ark.

Sells it

> by the gallon at competitive prices (haven't bought from there

lately but it

> was lower than most folks quoted on this list).

>

> Bring you own barrel (I've bought it as little as 10 gallons at a

time, just

> pay, back up and they pump it till their pump tells them you have

the total

> amount, but usually i end up with an extra gallon)

>

> They are on wheeler ave, (industrial/comercial area on south part

of town.)

>

>

> Ewing Waymire, Jr.

> Poteau, OK 74953

I have it for 15% less than AAA Chemicals



Kevin 540-718-5168





       









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