I have just finished my processor and 1 question remains. I am pulling,

processing, settling and washing from the same pump. So I am wondering if I get

some WVO or unsettled Biodiesel from the lines in the wash tank will the wash

process clean it out or will it negatively effect my fuel.  It shouldn't be alot

but I did run 1" lines. I guess the wash test and other quality test will show

just wanted everyones input. Will be my first batch and I am excited.



Thank you all !!

Hi Justin,



I am not sure what you are concerned about. I use one pump for just about

everything; It is the pump used to load, process, transfer to the wash tank and

pump the finished fuel to the storage tank. If you think of the sequence it is

being used, I process after I load the WVO, any oil in the lines will be

processed also.



Have fun with your first batch, hope all goes well.



Rick



--- On Fri, 7/3/09, Justin <justindreyer@...> wrote:



From: Justin <justindreyer@...>

Subject: [Biodiesel] WVO in lines affect product

To: Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 12:39 AM



































       I have just finished my processor and 1 question remains. I am pulling,

processing, settling and washing from the same pump. So I am wondering if I get

some WVO or unsettled Biodiesel from the lines in the wash tank will the wash

process clean it out or will it negatively effect my fuel.  It shouldn't be alot

but I did run 1" lines. I guess the wash test and other quality test will show

just wanted everyones input. Will be my first batch and I am excited.







Thank you all !!































































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Well I am processing in a 80 gallon apple-seed setup, but settling in a separate

tank.  I then send my settled biodiesel another seperate wash tank. The settled

biodiesel will then pass through some unsettled processed biodiesel that is sure

to be left in the lines. Will this small amount be washed out ?



Is this clear enough or should I upload a picture of my setup ?



Thanks I am so ready to run this !!

--- In Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bouvier <rbouvier@...> wrote:

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> Hi Justin,

>

> I am not sure what you are concerned about. I use one pump for just about

everything; It is the pump used to load, process, transfer to the wash tank and

pump the finished fuel to the storage tank. If you think of the sequence it is

being used, I process after I load the WVO, any oil in the lines will be

processed also.

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> Have fun with your first batch, hope all goes well.

>

> Rick

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> --- On Fri, 7/3/09, Justin <justindreyer@...> wrote:

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> From: Justin <justindreyer@...>

> Subject: [Biodiesel] WVO in lines affect product

> To: Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 12:39 AM

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process clean it out or will it negatively effect my fuel.  It shouldn't be alot

but I did run 1" lines. I guess the wash test and other quality test will show

just wanted everyones input. Will be my first batch and I am excited.

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in that situation, if I am concerned, I would simply divert the first

quart and toss it back into the collected WVO tank. When I built my

system, I added in extra T's and valves and gave myself the ability to

divert flow at several places.

otherwise, don't stress over it. its such a small amount that its not

that big of a deal.



Justin wrote:

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> Well I am processing in a 80 gallon apple-seed setup, but settling in

> a separate tank. I then send my settled biodiesel another seperate

> wash tank. The settled biodiesel will then pass through some unsettled

> processed biodiesel that is sure to be left in the lines. Will this

> small amount be washed out ?

>

> Is this clear enough or should I upload a picture of my setup ?

>

> Thanks I am so ready to run this !!

> --- In Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Biodiesel%40yahoogroups.com>,

> Richard Bouvier <rbouvier@...> wrote:

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> > Hi Justin,

> >

> > I am not sure what you are concerned about. I use one pump for just

> about everything; It is the pump used to load, process, transfer to

> the wash tank and pump the finished fuel to the storage tank. If you

> think of the sequence it is being used, I process after I load the

> WVO, any oil in the lines will be processed also.

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> > Have fun with your first batch, hope all goes well.

> >

> > Rick

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> > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, Justin <justindreyer@...> wrote:

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> > From: Justin <justindreyer@...>

> > Subject: [Biodiesel] WVO in lines affect product

> > To: Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Biodiesel%40yahoogroups.com>

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> the wash tank will the wash process clean it out or will it negatively

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Justin,



If I understand you correctly, you are concerned about the settled biodiesel

picking up small amounts glycerin from the processed but unsettled fuel. Don't

worry about it, it will wash out easily, just introduce water slowly (this holds

true with all first washes). If you wash aggressively during the first wash, you

could easily create an emulsion, not fun.



Hope I understood you correctly,



Rick



--- On Fri, 7/3/09, Rawbrown <rawbrown@...> wrote:



From: Rawbrown <rawbrown@...>

Subject: Re: [Biodiesel] Re: WVO in lines affect product

To: Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 3:01 PM



































       in that situation, if I am concerned, I would simply divert the first



quart and toss it back into the collected WVO tank. When I built my



system, I added in extra T's and valves and gave myself the ability to



divert flow at several places.



otherwise, don't stress over it. its such a small amount that its not



that big of a deal.







Justin wrote:



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> Well I am processing in a 80 gallon apple-seed setup, but settling in



> a separate tank. I then send my settled biodiesel another seperate



> wash tank. The settled biodiesel will then pass through some unsettled



> processed biodiesel that is sure to be left in the lines. Will this



> small amount be washed out ?



>



> Is this clear enough or should I upload a picture of my setup ?



>



> Thanks I am so ready to run this !!



> --- In Biodiesel@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Biodiesel% 40yahoogroups. com>,



> Richard Bouvier <rbouvier@.. .> wrote:



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> > I am not sure what you are concerned about. I use one pump for just



> about everything; It is the pump used to load, process, transfer to



> the wash tank and pump the finished fuel to the storage tank. If you



> think of the sequence it is being used, I process after I load the



> WVO, any oil in the lines will be processed also.



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> > Have fun with your first batch, hope all goes well.



> >



> > Rick



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> > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, Justin <justindreyer@ ...> wrote:



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> > Subject: [Biodiesel] WVO in lines affect product



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> the wash tank will the wash process clean it out or will it negatively



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greetings guys  - i have been making and using BIO for a few years now . I have

Nissan Patrol 4.2 TDI - one thing i have noticed is that if i run more than  50%

bio in my fuel blend it tends to break down the Fuel filter in the Truck - it

loosens the fibers and they end up in the last VERY fine filter before the fuel

pump , which means i have to keep spare copper seals for the Banjo nut to the

fuel pump so i can clean it when it blocks up. has anyone else had this problem

???



I have tried a few different Brands of filters - but i suspect they all come out

of the same factory - just different paint on the outside ...



Boc



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I have used German Mann filters on my Golf TDI none of the breakdown you

mentioned. I have a prefilter before &  after the main filter.  These are common

NAPA cheap filters. The final 'perfilter' is used as a sight glass (I can see if

fuel is flowing) & is 10 micron. Fibers have not collected in this filter.

Now about doing a test with some of the filter media in a quart jar of B100 &

see what settles out?

Please post any results?





Steve Smith

President - Lost Yankee Enterprises





--- On Fri, 7/3/09, Frank na <boc1971@...> wrote:





From: Frank na <boc1971@...>

Subject: [Biodiesel] Diesel filters ---

To: biodiesel@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 7:07 PM



















greetings guys - i have been making and using BIO for a few years now . I have

Nissan Patrol 4.2 TDI - one thing i have noticed is that if i run more than 50%

bio in my fuel blend it tends to break down the Fuel filter in the Truck - it

loosens the fibers and they end up in the last VERY fine filter before the fuel

pump , which means i have to keep spare copper seals for the Banjo nut to the

fuel pump so i can clean it when it blocks up. has anyone else had this problem

???



I have tried a few different Brands of filters - but i suspect they all come out

of the same factory - just different paint on the outside ...



Boc



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In Europe there is a requirement that diesel have a Bio content.  I would think

that all European diesels and system products would be bio proof.





John





--- In Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com, steven smith <lostyank54751@...> wrote:

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> I have used German Mann filters on my Golf TDI none of the breakdown you

mentioned. I have a prefilter before &  after the main filter.  These are common

NAPA cheap filters. The final 'perfilter' is used as a sight glass (I can see if

fuel is flowing) & is 10 micron. Fibers have not collected in this filter.

> Now about doing a test with some of the filter media in a quart jar of B100 &

see what settles out?

> Please post any results?

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> Steve Smith

> President - Lost Yankee Enterprises

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Nissan Patrol 4.2 TDI - one thing i have noticed is that if i run more than 50%

bio in my fuel blend it tends to break down the Fuel filter in the Truck - it

loosens the fibers and they end up in the last VERY fine filter before the fuel

pump , which means i have to keep spare copper seals for the Banjo nut to the

fuel pump so i can clean it when it blocks up. has anyone else had this problem

???

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> I have tried a few different Brands of filters - but i suspect they all come

out of the same factory - just different paint on the outside ...

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> Boc

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Correct - the French have been using 2 to 5% since 1992.  Therefore, all OEM

(original manufacturers equipment) fuel filters in the European market are

compatible with even 100% biodiesel.



However, it has been found that a number of the cheaper after-market filters use

a less robust polymer to house the filter screen, leading to degradation in a

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Justin,

    I believe your wash steps should be able to take care of your

glycerin/unsettled fuel found in your pump lines. However, if you were to put

another pump into  processor design (i.e. wash stage), I think you'll find that

you will be making better fuel in a shorter period of time. Hope that helps...

-Chad

--- In Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bouvier <rbouvier@...> wrote:

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> Justin,

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> If I understand you correctly, you are concerned about the settled biodiesel

picking up small amounts glycerin from the processed but unsettled fuel. Don't

worry about it, it will wash out easily, just introduce water slowly (this holds

true with all first washes). If you wash aggressively during the first wash, you

could easily create an emulsion, not fun.

>

> Hope I understood you correctly,

>

> Rick

>

> --- On Fri, 7/3/09, Rawbrown <rawbrown@...> wrote:

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> From: Rawbrown <rawbrown@...>

> Subject: Re: [Biodiesel] Re: WVO in lines affect product

> To: Biodiesel@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 3:01 PM

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> divert flow at several places.

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> otherwise, don't stress over it. its such a small amount that its not

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> > Well I am processing in a 80 gallon apple-seed setup, but settling in

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> > wash tank. The settled biodiesel will then pass through some unsettled

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> > processed biodiesel that is sure to be left in the lines. Will this

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> > small amount be washed out ?

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> > Is this clear enough or should I upload a picture of my setup ?

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> > Thanks I am so ready to run this !!

>

> > --- In Biodiesel@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:Biodiesel% 40yahoogroups. com>,

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> > Richard Bouvier <rbouvier@ .> wrote:

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> > > I am not sure what you are concerned about. I use one pump for just

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> > the wash tank and pump the finished fuel to the storage tank. If you

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> > think of the sequence it is being used, I process after I load the

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> > WVO, any oil in the lines will be processed also.

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> > > Have fun with your first batch, hope all goes well.

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> > > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, Justin <justindreyer@ ...> wrote:

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> > > Subject: [Biodiesel] WVO in lines affect product

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> > the wash tank will the wash process clean it out or will it negatively

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> > effect my fuel. It shouldn't be alot but I did run 1" lines. I guess

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