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RE: [BrixTalk] Foliar Feeding

Rick,

High soil conductivity from what? Sodium, high salt irrigation water, plant
nutrients? Without a soil test it is a guessing game.

Low brix simply means that nature's requirements have not been met.

Foliar sprays are just tools. You need to dig deeper than foliar sprays to
fix this problem. You comments highlight why we always want to focus on an
overall program rather than just pushing products.

Please tell me more about using the wagner power sprayer. Thanks.

Jon

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Subject: RE: [BrixTalk] Foliar Feeding


jon, what about high conductivity soil. i've been using your qualify and
just today started the brix blaster on some peas. all the greens are
actually a little worse than last year, a lot are in the low poor range.
beautiful and no bugs though. also beddoe's idea to use a wagner power
painter to spray really works well. i don't know what last years energy was
just the brix. also i live at 8200' elevation. can't send you a soil sample
till this fall though i suppose it would b e about the same as sending it
now.what say you. rick guttersohn



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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:36:57 -0500
Subject: RE: [BrixTalk] Foliar Feeding







Myron,

What is the conductivity of the soil? Trying to get foliars to work with a
low soil conductivity is like trying to get a teenage boy to clear a field
of rocks and stumps without feeding him first.

You will get so much more productivity from foliar sprays if the soil has
energy.

Jon
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Of Myron Horst
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:32 PM
To: BrixTalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BrixTalk] Foliar Feeding

Timmy,
We planted the garden about the first of May. The SRP and limestone was
applied several weeks before that. I applied a anionic formula until
about 40 days after planting. Then I switched to a cationic formula. The
formula that I listed the formulation for, was applied June 27.
Everything is setting a lot of produce, however, the squash and
cucumbers in particular are low brix and the foliars I have tried on
them makes them lower brix. What do I need to do differently?

Myron

lataa8@... wrote:
>
>
> what time of the month were they applied? we have fruiting phases and
> also
> growth phases. timmy
>
>
> In a message dated 7/5/2009 11:01:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> mhorst@... <mailto:mhorst%40jehovahjirehfarm.com> writes:
>
> I am puzzled by the results that I am having with foliar sprays on our
> garden and am wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction.
> This spring we put down 100 pounds per 1000 square feet of SRP and 100
> pounds of high calcium limestone. A little over a week ago I applied the
> following foliar spray as a test on the first plant of each row and then
> compared it later to other unsprayed plants in the same row.
> Per Gallon
> 6tb molasses
> 8oz. cola soda/phos. acid
> 1tp Hydrated lime
> 3tb liquid fish
> 1tb seaweed powder
> 14tb apple cider vinegar
>
> This formula raised the brix on the sweet corn leaf from 12 brix to 16
> brix. It raised the green beans from 10 brix to 14 brix. However on
> everything else - tomatoes, potatoes, squash, cucumbers, etc. it reduced
> the brix of the leaf at least 2 brix. Why?
> A week later I tried a different formula on the tomatoes. By then the
> brix of the tomatoes had gone to 15 brix without any foliar feeding. The
> new foliar trial dropped the brix of the tomato leaf to 9. Obviously not
> the right formula!
>
> Previous to this I had tried Beddoe's Basic Cationic formula in
> Nourishment Home Grown except for the ammonium sulfate, the potassium
> bicarbonate, and the RL-37. I did not notice an improvement in the brix
> using that formula either.
> What do the tomatoes, potatoes, and vine plants need in a foliar to
> increase the brix?
>
> Thanks
> Myron Horst
>
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jon, what about high conductivity soil. i've been using your qualify and just today started the brix blaster on some peas. all the greens are actually a little...
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Jul 10, 2009
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Rick, High soil conductivity from what? Sodium, high salt irrigation water, plant nutrients? Without a soil test it is a guessing game. Low brix simply means...
Jon C Frank
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i'll send you a sample hopefully this week. the soil was suposed to be ballanced closely this spring obviously it must not be. i'll start the program again...
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Jon, The sweet corn has 180 ergs, and the corn increased 4 brix with the foliar spray. The tomatoes have 220 ergs and the squash has 140 ergs. The tomatoes are...
Myron Horst
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Jul 10, 2009
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Wow, great info! I will now try and help you to understand why some foliars work on some crops and not on others. You do however, have the means to make your...
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Jul 10, 2009
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Myron, What's the ergs of your foliar feed? Also, what's in your foliar feed? Are you going anionic or cationic with your foliar feed? If a plant wants to ...
Thomas Giannou
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Jul 11, 2009
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myron, are you looking at the plant and letting the plant tell you what it needs or are you just following a program? we like to look at node spacing, leave...
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Jul 10, 2009
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Thanks Michael That's great. I have another question. If I had two worm farms and gave them all the same amendments, but one, Worm Farm A, I feed only green...
Grant Lyon
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Jul 6, 2009
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i find your question very interesting but from a different aspect. first i thought worms didn't like any kind of nitrogen in there domicile and also worm...
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Jul 6, 2009
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Dear Group, All organic material has a certain quantity of N plus other elements. What one type plant will pick up versus another will obviously depend on the...
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Grant from the information I have gleaned on the worm forum, the lechate is not the ideal thing to use. The castings are what makes the difference in growing...
Gayla Roberts
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Jul 6, 2009
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... No, no it is music to my tired ears. Can someone explain the difference between gypsum and oyster shell calcium to me? Thanks. Gayla Bob and Gayla Roberts ...
Gayla Roberts
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Jul 7, 2009
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Gayla, See if this helps...... Gypsum 22% CA and 16% S. Oyster Shell 36% Ca and .3 Mg Way fast acting on gypsum and way slow on oyster shell. HTH. Frank ... ...
Frank Egan
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Gayla, ... is not the ideal thing to use. The castings are what makes the difference in growing your plants. I learned the hard way. My worms eat my table...
Bob Avery
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Way slow as in years? Months? Gayla Bob and Gayla Roberts Always Enough Ranch Acampo, CA ... From: "Frank Egan" <frank@...> To:...
Gayla Roberts
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Gypsum (powder) works pretty fast and is water soluble. Should see results the first year. Do you need the sulphur component though? In areas of good rains ...
Frank Egan
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Oyster shell is calcium carbonate, mostly, a slow but steady supplier of high calicum lime (low in magnesium) - readily available. I found that it disappears...
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Jul 7, 2009
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Calcium carbonates enter the soil with water. The more water, the faster they enter. However, they accumulate quickly in the first couple of inches so if you...
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While on this topic, I was just wondering about how long egg shells take to become available? Thanks all Grant...
Grant Lyon
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I have plenty of magnesium. Plenty of sulfur. We don't get rain in California from April to November, just irrigation. I used both oyster shell powder (fine...
Gayla Roberts
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When aiming to raise available calcium it is better to use multiple calcium sources. You may also want to apply a calcium phosphate (soft rock phosphate),...
Jon C Frank
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Quite a while, I"m thinking. If I put ground-up egg shells in my layerd worm box, I seen the bits ending up at the bottom in the water. It's hard to say how...
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Delightful news! I also used SRP but did not realize it is a source of Ca also. Thanks Jon. Everything seems to be productive. The only thing I have tested so...
Gayla Roberts
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Kris, ... worm box, I seen the bits ending up at the bottom in the water. It's hard to say how much has become available after the worms have worked on them. ...
Bob Avery
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Michael, Looking back at some of your posts to try to get in writing what contributes to high brix, I found this about there being very little N in worm...
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Kris, Check out http://www.fertilizeronline.com/wormcast.php There is a guaranteed analysis from 100% castings. This is about typical I would say. The...
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i read once that worm castings were super high in fulvic acid. any truth. if so that seems to me like a really good thing.rg To: BrixTalk@yahoogroups.com From:...
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