thomas, you misunderstand, i did do everything exactly as you have suggested in
the lower part of this email exactly as described in nourishment home grown and
mainline farming. the ocean trace is only a foliar spray at 1 oz per qt. of
spray once a week. all ca. srp gypsum planters 2 were followed exactly. the ergs
have come down a lot since we last talked. today i just checked them, 590, down
from 2540 on 5-12-09. the soil life should be terrific. i've been adding the
microbe tea since december. i had heat cables turned on to keep it warm.none of
this is "high risk". rg



To: BrixTalk@yahoogroups.com
From: thomas@...
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:41:30 -0700
Subject: RE: [BrixTalk] Ocean Trace







RG,

You have purchased only our soil life products and yucca. That doesn't
represent our system. After looking at some of your recent messages to the
list, I am wondering how you have gotten on a course of using high risk
products on your soils? For example, putting sea minerals (those are salts
by the way) onto your soils may significantly decrease the soil life present
in the soils. People have been talking for a long time about the need to
add minerals back into the soils. I agree, but not at levels that will
reduce the soil life. Today, an even bigger problem is starting to surface.
the presence of soil life in our agricultural soils is dropping fast. You
can put all the minerals you want into the soil, but if there's little to no
soil life present, most of those minerals are not getting into your plants.

One thing I feel fortunate to have avoided with our method of growing plants
into excellent brix levels the first year, is to not try a bunch of
different kinds of products that don't work and were never utilized by Dr
Reams. I have avoided those dead ends by studying through the works of Dr
Reams and his students who have produced literature. Keep working with
Lime, SRP, Gypsum, and learn more about developing the hyperactive bacteria
system that needs to be in place so the SRP and other minerals can be
processed into the plants. Maintain the ratios of calcium, phosphate,
potassium, sulfur, iron, and nitrate and ammonia nitrogen's and the other
trace minerals. at least, make sure they are present at reasonable levels.
Build the organic material content up in the soils so the gel formed from
the reaction of lime and soft rock phosphate well stay up near the surface
and will help keep the minerals from dropping down in the soils.

The past three years I have used Beddoes / Reams Lime, SRP, and Gypsum
recipe with our other products and fresh potting soil or compost that had
never been treated previously and obtained excellent brix levels the first
year on broccoli, peas, green beans, tomatoes, red cabbage, celery, green
cabbage, cantaloupe and a few others. Our Pears, Blackberries, and
Raspberries growing in the ground have been held at excellent brix levels
for several years. The Raspberries have been excellent brix for the past 12
years (14-19 brix). Last year, two other locations in my area also had high
brix results using our methods. Dr Beddoes Lime, SRP, and Gypsum recipe
follows Dr. Reams ratio's and when I increase the nutrient density I have
seen the brix levels climb even higher along with faster plant growth and
higher yields. Those things go right along with what Dr Reams stated we
should expect to achieve in the rules he formulated and are written in the
front of the book, "Mainline Farming for Century 21, Lessons in Reams Method
Agronomy by Charles Walters" and both of Dr. Beddoe's books.

Best Regards,

Thomas Giannou

http://www.tandjenterprises.com

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From: BrixTalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BrixTalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of ohhomagoo@...
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:02 PM
To: brixtalk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BrixTalk] Ocean Trace

my 3rd response today. last year i tried a very similar product called sea
solution p and f[ planting and foliar amendment]. when i was researching
ocean trace minerals i crossed paths with rex's page here. this page is by
far the most useful source i've found yet. any way the sea solution didn't
raise my brix any really[ mayby 1 or 2 points]. when i talked with the sales
rep about their product he wouldn't say anything about raising brix, saying
only there's a lot more to hi brix that trace minerals. i bought a quart of
each and am playing with it again this year. i'm convinced that nothing is
going to significantly raise brix levels if the soil is not ballanced. i've
tried thomas's system which is a modified beddoe formula and got absolutely
no where in the first year. i think all the sites listed here in the past
month will only give a good start to high brix ag at best and i would like
to try each one of them but no space. i've tried to ballance using a dilute
acid soil test and a book linked to this site to calculate the necessary
additions and got no where. i think what is left is to try jon at i ag lab,
bite the bullet and pay whatever the cost, and get it done asap. i hope to
send this fall's soil sample tomorrow instead of later. there's something
missing in my program and mayby he can find it.
i tried to eliminate his fees and the 3 year lag time to high brix and got
no where. sherlock holmes said that whenever you've tried everything and not
found the solution, what's left is the obvious. rg

To: BrixTalk@yahoogroup <mailto:BrixTalk%40yahoogroups.com> s.com
From: cjohnson143@ <mailto:cjohnson143%40woh.rr.com> woh.rr.com
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:56:22 -0400
Subject: [BrixTalk] Ocean Trace

Anyone familiar with these products
http://www.ag- <http://www.ag-usa.net/SeaPro.htm> usa.net/SeaPro.htm - High
brix mentioned in the newsletter.

Derived From: Magnesium Chloride, Soybean Oil, Lauric Acid, Myristic Acid,
Palm Oil

I think it needs to go with something like this, Ocean Trace, which is ocean
minerals, minus most of the NaCl.
http://www.ag- <http://www.ag-usa.net/OT.htm> usa.net/OT.htm

There's a link to High Brix info on the home page http://www.ag-
<http://www.ag-usa.net/index.html> usa.net/index.html

There's a link on that page to this water treatment that also mentions high
brix
http://www.ag- <http://www.ag-usa.hexahedron999.com/> usa.hexahedron999.com/

Peace,
Kris

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