Hi all, For a project I'm looking for a cheap controller board supporting WinCE, CAN 2.0A, and Ethernet 100 Mbit/s. Preferably also sw support for the ...
Rob Hulsebos
rob.hulsebos@...
Jun 7, 2007 10:24 am
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Hi, I am new to the CAN bus systems and seeking to improve my knowledge on this. My question is "How many nodes a CAN bus system has?" I heard that LIN has...
vamsi ak
avamsik.aftek@...
Jun 8, 2007 2:37 pm
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Hi Vamsi, It depends on the standand you are using, for instance : - ISO 11898-2 (CAN High Speed) and ISO 11898-3 (CAN Fault Tolerant) says that there is no...
Marcelo Rodrigues
msrmailxxx@...
Jun 8, 2007 3:48 pm
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Hello. I am studying ways to implement physical redundance on CAN networks, and a particular question is disturbing me. If I have two different pair cables...
Gilvan Tessari
gt@...
Jun 8, 2007 4:03 pm
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Hi, CAN could have as many nodes as there are ID values but the real limitation is the drivers. The bus as two termination resistors that in parallel result...
John Dammeyer
johnd@...
Jun 8, 2007 5:15 pm
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Hello Vamsi, The ISO-11898-2 standard recommends 30 nodes with a signaling rate of 1 Mbps and a bus length of 40 m with 120ohm characteristic impedance UTP ...
Corrigan, Steve
s-corrigan1@...
Jun 8, 2007 5:47 pm
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Hello Gilvan, Sounds kind of tricky to me. What you're building is something like a star topology, and termination becomes a concern. A CAN driver is...
Corrigan, Steve
s-corrigan1@...
Jun 8, 2007 6:00 pm
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... John is correct the number of nodes is restricted by the number of ID. Which is 2 power 29 with extended IDs. The physical limitation, caused by available...
Heinz-Jürgen Oertel
oe@...
Jun 8, 2007 6:58 pm
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Hello, Steve. Maybe my description wasn't accurate. The topology is daisy chain, but I use two physical paths between two network nodes, and I have just one ...
Gilvan Tessari
gt@...
Jun 8, 2007 7:39 pm
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Hello Gilvan, Using two transceivers makes sense. If you just AND the two RX lines and one bus fails, there is a chance that one RX line is stuck at low. This...
Daniel Leu
daniel.leu@...
Jun 8, 2007 8:53 pm
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Gilvan, The two distant node are not meant to communicate with each other? Rgds, Steve ... From: canlist-owner@......
Corrigan, Steve
s-corrigan1@...
Jun 8, 2007 10:00 pm
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Hello Gilvan I think I understand what you are trying to do. As an example, I can think of a fault tolerant shipboard system. Two nodes at either end of the...
John Dammeyer
johnd@...
Jun 8, 2007 10:33 pm
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Hi, Thanks steav, rodrigues, John and Heinz-Jürgen for your replies which are very usefull. And I have one more question, May I know how many nodes would be...
vamsi ak
avamsik.aftek@...
Jun 9, 2007 1:07 pm
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Hi, ¡¡¡¡When you use HIGH SPEED CAN, the max number of CAN nodes is determined by Bus Baudrate. When Bus Baudrate is 1M, the max number of CAN nodes is 32....
lgao@...
Jun 9, 2007 1:33 pm
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... I don't know the typical number of CAN nodes in cars. I'm more familiar with CAN application in automation. But I think you can expect up to 70-80 nodes,...
Heinz-Jürgen Oertel
oe@...
Jun 9, 2007 3:28 pm
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Sorry. That's just plain wrong! The bit rate does not restrict the number of nodes. A couple of things here: It's not baud rate it's bit rate. The Baud rate...
John Dammeyer
johnd@...
Jun 9, 2007 6:54 pm
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The cars made by the companies for which my employer works typically have a minimum of 2 busses. For automotive, "high speed" CAN is in the order of 500kbps,...
Geoff Field
geoff_field2003@...
Jun 10, 2007 11:46 am
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Hello Gilvan, As long as you are using two separate physical networks, your concept shall work. By using cables with almost equal lenghts, propagation delay...
heikki.saha@...
Jun 11, 2007 5:48 am
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Practically, I think the number of nodes does limit the bit rate. If we're going to be pedantic, then we should acknowledge that the so-called terminating...
Charles Manning
Charles.Manning@...
Jun 11, 2007 5:49 am
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Hello, John is right. The "fan-out" has been separately defined for most CAN transceiver chips and it varies from 30 to 127. There is also other important...
heikki.saha@...
Jun 11, 2007 5:57 am
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Hi john, Thank you very much for your infomation as for the before answer i was confused but now its clear. I think "More nodes, worse Bus electrical ...
vamsi ak
avamsik.aftek@...
Jun 11, 2007 8:04 am
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Hi, Steven. The nodes will communicate with each other. The point is that the electric signal must go through two different physical paths. At this time, I...
Gilvan Tessari
gt@...
Jun 11, 2007 3:36 pm
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OK. You've made a rather sweeping statement that could potentially become one of these urban legends that don't appear to have any direct evidence but are...
John Dammeyer
johnd@...
Jun 11, 2007 6:38 pm
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Hello, SAB626 is also high-quality CAN-cable and fits well also in harsh environments. In CANopen-networks 30 nodes in 25m long 1Mbps bus with that cable has...
heikki.saha@...
Jun 12, 2007 7:20 am
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Hi Gilvan, I have daisey chained 60 nodes together in my lab with no problems. If I pulled a cable to try to disrupt communication, the remaining node...
Corrigan, Steve
s-corrigan1@...
Jun 12, 2007 4:12 pm
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Hello, A basic question about sync timing in a CANopen network. Suppose sync are repeated every 10 ms and the node (sensor) misses some syncs. I am not using a...
Bram Dobbelaar
BDobbelaar@...
Jun 19, 2007 3:34 pm
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Hi all, Thought I would mention that way back on 07JUN95 Dr. Ken Tindell posted the first message to this CAN mail list. Although originally hosted at the...
John Dammeyer
johnd@...
Jun 19, 2007 5:36 pm
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Hello, SYNC is a normal CAN data-frame. Could it be possible that sometimes your receive queue overflows and SYNC will be lost? If you are not using...
heikki.saha@...
Jun 20, 2007 7:05 am
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... Thanks to all participants for your contributions, it's a pleasure to manage the list (except for catching the spam maybe) and to see how lively it still...
Neubauer, Andreas
Andreas.Neubauer@...
Jun 20, 2007 7:50 am
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I've been around for awhile! Cyrilla ... -- Archives and useful links: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CANbus Subscribe and unsubscribe at...