What about the idea of marine reserves. Would you endorse them as a fishery
management tactic?
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Subject: Re: [CAnearshore] live fishing


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>>
>>
>>Steve, Could you be a little more specific about what you see as ruined
and
>>do you have an idea for manageing the problem in your region  Chris Miller
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>>To: CAnearshore@egroups.com <CAnearshore@egroups.com>
>>Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 1:23 PM
>>Subject: [CAnearshore] live fishing
>>
>I see drastic reductions of all fish near shore out to about 150 feet. It's
>almost
>like diving Lake Tahoe.  As for managing I'd start off by eliminating all
>commercial
>fishing within 3 miles of shore. Leave the sport take low untill
>populations recover.
>Increase the sport take when recovery takes place and then, and only when
>there
>is excess, should commercial fishing be allowed to resume.
>  From what I see first hand a crash in fish
>populations is at hand and in some areas already started.  What I just said
>might
>sound a bit extreme but I use the analogy of commercial deer hunting.
>Commercial
>deer hunting is not allowed because over time the stock and brood stock
would
>be reduced to a population crash level.  The very same thing is happening
right
>now with many (all?) fishing industries.  To many fish caught = not enough
for
>healthy sustainable populations.
>
>Steve Howe
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Here is the schedule for the upcoming meetings regarding the nearshore
interim measures:

October 10, 9 a.m. to 3 p.m., Sacramento Convention Center, 1030 15th
Street, Room 103

October 11, 7 p.m. to 10:00 p.m., SLO County Board of Supervisors,
1035 Palm Street, 2nd floor, San Luis Obispo

October 19 - 7 p.m. to 9 p.m. Hubbs-Sea World Research Institute Shedd
Auditorium, 2595 Ingraham Street, San Diego

Mike W

Just a note on Mike Malone's useful summary of the options.  The Commission
asked the Department for a range of options and that is what the Department
provided.  These options are for discussion and consideration, they are not a
package that must be adopted entirely or not at all.  One way of thinking of
this is to ask: Which of these options will stabilize the fishery while an
FMP is being developed and considered?  Which of these options might make a
difference in the short run?  How and why do you think that?  What is the
evidence?

More later...

Mike Weber


In a message dated 9/19/2000 11:57:31 PM, enolamms@... writes:


I'm new to this group, but let me get some things on the table to
discuss.  I think most conservationsists are of the opinion that the
nearshore commercial livefishery has really accelerated the decline in
nearshore fish abundance.  Of course along with this decline,
recreational fishing has really deteriorated.  For those who are new to
the political side of this situation a couple of things should be kept
in mind.

1. DFG is working on a nearshore fisheries management plan due out at
the end of next year.
2. Due to recreational pressure to restrain the nearshore commercial
fishery DFG has proposed some options to restrain the nearshore fishery
between now and when the FMP is complete.  The current items under
consideration include the following-my opinions are in ( ):

1) DFG wants to expand the list of fish under consideration for
management from a selected number of nearshore "reef fish" to several
deeper water rockfish and midwater rockfish (brown, copper, black, blue,
etc) and surf perches, starry flounder, leopard shark, and eels. (I
think DFG ought to focus on those fish inhabiting rocky reef habitat and
not make their job any more complicated by getting involved with sand
and soft bottom fishes right now)

2) Establish interim Biological catch levels based on 1993-98 catches of
cabezon, sheephead, greenlings and surf perches. (I don't know about
surf perch catches but 1993 -98 were the peak commercial catch years for
cabezon and the other reef fishes, consequently that time period seems
like a less than optimal period to establish a quota baseline to me)

3) Set interim optimum yields at 75% or 50% of the 1993-98 catch levels.
(How will DFG monitor catch levels?)

4) Allocate between commercial and sport using one of the following
options: a) proportional to respective 1999 catches; b) maintain sport
fishery at 1999 levels (reduce commercial fishery); c) maintain
commercial fishery at 1999 catch levels (reduce sport fishery).  (Pay
attention here you guys this is major. Recognize that the 1999
commercial harvest was very high for the fish under consideration while
the recreational catches were low resulting from a long period of
decline coincident with the emergence of the commercial fishery.
Therefore all of the proposals listed above are a major hit on the
recreational fishery, while only b) involves any conservation
contribution from the commercial sector)

5) To achieve optimum yield and allocation select from the following:
A. Area closures:
a) close both fisheries or only commercial within 1-3 miles from major
ports (which interestingly are already pretty fished out)
b)close commercial fishery within 1 mile of the coast not including
islands (unlikely to happen in my opinion, but one wonders why not
include the islands?)
c) close commercial fishery within 1 mile of the coast on weekends only
(most likely to be pushed by commercial folks.  Its already done many
places and doesn't amount to help much)

B.  Increase min. size limit from 12 to 14 inches for sheephead; from 14
to 15-18 for cabezon.  This would be for both recreational and
commercial. (Being a recreational fisher I would like to see DFG select
biologically appropriate min. sizes.  That said I have to wonder why
commercials get to use 150 hook or 50 traps while recs use rod-and-reel
then have the same min. size?  Perhaps crab and salmon ought to serve as
a model where recs with their lower efficiency gear, lack of market
incentives, etc have a lower size than commercials to allow for the
existence of a recreational fishery.  Further, I have visions of shore
anglers hauling undersize fish throught the surf, over the rocks,
extracting the hook then tossing the fish back - with several bounces on
the rocks- and expecting the beast to live.  Hmmm, why not just keep
what you catch and set the rec bag limit appropriately)

c) close 1 or more months to fishing for cabezon, greenlings. (This is
where the DFG is headed in my opionion.  Time closures.  This leads me
to ask, how can DFG continue to justify a commercial fishery in the face
of recreational closures.  As far as protecting nest guarding fish
during the closures, perhaps catching fewer fish in the first place
would eliminate the need to close during the nesting season. Remember
commercial catches have literally skyrocketed since 1992 while
recreational catches have plummeted)

Regarding most rockfish DFG wants to leave the commercial rockfish catch
quota up to the Federal Council which has set a yearly commercial quota.
(I keep asking how DFG monitors and verifies the commercial quota.
Further, the PFMC's past managment of rockfish hardly instills much
conficence.  Wait till you guys hear what we recreationals are going to
have to do to conserve bocaccio, canary and cowcod rockfish)

(Personally I think all this regulatory complexity could be done away
with and a level of fairness achieved by restricting commercial
nearshore gear to rod-and-reel plus daily bag limits on midwater fish
including blue, black, olives, etc. That's how the commercial live
fishery is conducted in British Columbia. California seems hellbent on
creating a god awful complex of regulations while letting the resource
get driven down to a point where it'll require at least 150 hooks or 50
traps to even make a go of it)

  There are a few more items but I'm tired and going to bed. I'd
appreciate your feed back since I'll be at the Sept 28 meeting if
possible and these items will be up for discussion.

ZZZzzzz

-Mike Malone


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By next week, I expect to have the specific options that the Commission will
be considering for nearshore interim measures.  When I do, I would like to
focus the discussion on substantive evaluation of the options.  This includes
articulating basic views then evaluating what evidence there is to support
those views.  I also plan to continue posting notes and other material such
as landings statistics that can provide a basis for discussion.  I hope that
others with such information will do the same.

Mike Weber

In a message dated 9/19/2000 10:59:51 PM, flatland@... writes:


> I thought the subject matter was the Fish and Game Commission mtg.
> notes from the Oakland mtg.
>
> This is not the oceancoaltion list, or is it?
>


All my comments were inspired by the meeting notes that were sent to us.
Steve Howe and I are responding to the worst examples we see here. It's
obvious to us that more graphic evidence is needed to convince the
commisioners. I'll also throw my support behind getting a web-based
comment-digest from recreational fishers who were underrepresented at that
meeting.

The Commercials should be cut heavily. No reductions of sport catch. The
sportfishery here is a keystone of the local economy.

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  >>

I'm new to this group, but let me get some things on the table to
discuss.  I think most conservationsists are of the opinion that the
nearshore commercial livefishery has really accelerated the decline in
nearshore fish abundance.  Of course along with this decline,
recreational fishing has really deteriorated.  For those who are new to
the political side of this situation a couple of things should be kept
in mind.

1. DFG is working on a nearshore fisheries management plan due out at
the end of next year.
2. Due to recreational pressure to restrain the nearshore commercial
fishery DFG has proposed some options to restrain the nearshore fishery
between now and when the FMP is complete.  The current items under
consideration include the following-my opinions are in ( ):

1) DFG wants to expand the list of fish under consideration for
management from a selected number of nearshore "reef fish" to several
deeper water rockfish and midwater rockfish (brown, copper, black, blue,
etc) and surf perches, starry flounder, leopard shark, and eels. (I
think DFG ought to focus on those fish inhabiting rocky reef habitat and
not make their job any more complicated by getting involved with sand
and soft bottom fishes right now)

2) Establish interim Biological catch levels based on 1993-98 catches of
cabezon, sheephead, greenlings and surf perches. (I don't know about
surf perch catches but 1993 -98 were the peak commercial catch years for
cabezon and the other reef fishes, consequently that time period seems
like a less than optimal period to establish a quota baseline to me)

3) Set interim optimum yields at 75% or 50% of the 1993-98 catch levels.
(How will DFG monitor catch levels?)

4) Allocate between commercial and sport using one of the following
options: a) proportional to respective 1999 catches; b) maintain sport
fishery at 1999 levels (reduce commercial fishery); c) maintain
commercial fishery at 1999 catch levels (reduce sport fishery).  (Pay
attention here you guys this is major. Recognize that the 1999
commercial harvest was very high for the fish under consideration while
the recreational catches were low resulting from a long period of
decline coincident with the emergence of the commercial fishery.
Therefore all of the proposals listed above are a major hit on the
recreational fishery, while only b) involves any conservation
contribution from the commercial sector)

5) To achieve optimum yield and allocation select from the following:
A. Area closures:
a) close both fisheries or only commercial within 1-3 miles from major
ports (which interestingly are already pretty fished out)
b)close commercial fishery within 1 mile of the coast not including
islands (unlikely to happen in my opinion, but one wonders why not
include the islands?)
c) close commercial fishery within 1 mile of the coast on weekends only
(most likely to be pushed by commercial folks.  Its already done many
places and doesn't amount to help much)

B.  Increase min. size limit from 12 to 14 inches for sheephead; from 14
to 15-18 for cabezon.  This would be for both recreational and
commercial. (Being a recreational fisher I would like to see DFG select
biologically appropriate min. sizes.  That said I have to wonder why
commercials get to use 150 hook or 50 traps while recs use rod-and-reel
then have the same min. size?  Perhaps crab and salmon ought to serve as
a model where recs with their lower efficiency gear, lack of market
incentives, etc have a lower size than commercials to allow for the
existence of a recreational fishery.  Further, I have visions of shore
anglers hauling undersize fish throught the surf, over the rocks,
extracting the hook then tossing the fish back - with several bounces on
the rocks- and expecting the beast to live.  Hmmm, why not just keep
what you catch and set the rec bag limit appropriately)

c) close 1 or more months to fishing for cabezon, greenlings. (This is
where the DFG is headed in my opionion.  Time closures.  This leads me
to ask, how can DFG continue to justify a commercial fishery in the face
of recreational closures.  As far as protecting nest guarding fish
during the closures, perhaps catching fewer fish in the first place
would eliminate the need to close during the nesting season. Remember
commercial catches have literally skyrocketed since 1992 while
recreational catches have plummeted)

Regarding most rockfish DFG wants to leave the commercial rockfish catch
quota up to the Federal Council which has set a yearly commercial quota.
(I keep asking how DFG monitors and verifies the commercial quota.
Further, the PFMC's past managment of rockfish hardly instills much
conficence.  Wait till you guys hear what we recreationals are going to
have to do to conserve bocaccio, canary and cowcod rockfish)

(Personally I think all this regulatory complexity could be done away
with and a level of fairness achieved by restricting commercial
nearshore gear to rod-and-reel plus daily bag limits on midwater fish
including blue, black, olives, etc. That's how the commercial live
fishery is conducted in British Columbia. California seems hellbent on
creating a god awful complex of regulations while letting the resource
get driven down to a point where it'll require at least 150 hooks or 50
traps to even make a go of it)

  There are a few more items but I'm tired and going to bed. I'd
appreciate your feed back since I'll be at the Sept 28 meeting if
possible and these items will be up for discussion.

ZZZzzzz

-Mike Malone

> I thought the subject matter was the Fish and Game Commission mtg.
> notes from the Oakland mtg.
>
> This is not the oceancoaltion list, or is it?
>


All my comments were inspired by the meeting notes that were sent to us.
Steve Howe and I are responding to the worst examples we see here. It's
obvious to us that more graphic evidence is needed to convince the
commisioners. I'll also throw my support behind getting a web-based
comment-digest from recreational fishers who were underrepresented at that
meeting.

The Commercials should be cut heavily. No reductions of sport catch. The
sportfishery here is a keystone of the local economy.

<@))}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}>>>=<(
-Jim Martin

> Jim,    Even up in Westport and all the way to Point Arena the live fish guys
> have hammered our coast.  Just look in Noyo Bay on ANY have way rough
> day and you'll live fish guys, day after day untill there's so few fish
> they move
> on.  I'm in the book-let's go diving for abs.  I don't have the heart to
> spearfish
> anymore.......
> Steve Howe


I'll dive for the effort to document the abuse. Let's make a video of what's
going on up here. People will be shocked.


<@))}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}>>>=<(
-Jim Martin

>> Steve, Could you be a little more specific about what you see as ruined and
>> do you have an idea for manageing the problem in your region  Chris Miller

Steve is correct, the live rockfishermen have made a huge impact. The big
schools of blacks are gone from Mendocino to Cleone.

The trawlers are sweeping up the breeders, which aren't showing yet inshore.
I don't understand the deep-water/ shallow water split. The deepwater fish
spawn inshore in he fall.

-Jim Martin

Steve;
If Steve Dampier can get it on his website, that's all
I need, then we can get it to everybody.
Let me know if that goes smoothly.
thanks, great posts, sorry to hear Mendo Co is getting
hammered. I used to live in Ukiah and I've kayaked
around there a little.
Ron

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I thought the subject matter was the Fish and Game Commission mtg.
notes from the Oakland mtg.

This is not the oceancoaltion list, or is it?

>
>
>If someone comes up with video, I will be happy to digitize it and make
>quicktime movies to be put on websites and/or emailed.
>
>Stephen Dampier
Stephen,  I need an address from anyone wishing a copy.  I'll collect addresses
and send out a tape when it's ready. Contact me directly at   titan@...

Steve Howe

If someone comes up with video, I will be happy to digitize it and make
quicktime movies to be put on websites and/or emailed.

Stephen Dampier

>
>
>>
>>Yes!
>>--- Titan Truck Racks <titan@...> wrote:
>>[...]A
>> > friend has an underwater
>> > video camera
>> > and has agreed to let me make a short tape of what's
>> > going on around our
>> > reefs here.
>> > Would anyone like a copy?  Might take a couple of
>> > months to get it all
>> > together,
>> > weather permitting.
>>Ron Gaul-  I would need an address.......Mail me directly
>
>
>Steve Howe
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

>
>Yes!
>--- Titan Truck Racks <titan@...> wrote:
>[...]A
> > friend has an underwater
> > video camera
> > and has agreed to let me make a short tape of what's
> > going on around our
> > reefs here.
> > Would anyone like a copy?  Might take a couple of
> > months to get it all
> > together,
> > weather permitting.
>Ron Gaul-  I would need an address.......Mail me directly


Steve Howe

At 05:08 PM 09/19/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Steve-
>
>I live near Russian Gulch, too, and was just driving across the bridge and
>saw at least three live fish commercials in there this morning. If there's
>anything I can do to help with the tape, let me know. I'm not much of a
>diver but I have a boat and fish down that way sometimes. It's getting so
>you have to go to Westport to find a legal ling or cabezone.
>
>Also, some video of the trawlers at the dock in Noyo should be taken. I've
>seen them pick out several nice sport limits of reds out of the nets (dead)
>and toss them over into the river for the sea lions as "bycatch" ....
>
>-Jim Martin, Caspar

Jim,    Even up in Westport and all the way to Point Arena the live fish guys
have hammered our coast.  Just look in Noyo Bay on ANY have way rough
day and you'll live fish guys, day after day untill there's so few fish
they move
on.  I'm in the book-let's go diving for abs.  I don't have the heart to
spearfish
anymore.......
Steve Howe

>
>
>Steve, Could you be a little more specific about what you see as ruined and
>do you have an idea for manageing the problem in your region  Chris Miller
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Titan Truck Racks <titan@...>
>To: CAnearshore@egroups.com <CAnearshore@egroups.com>
>Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 1:23 PM
>Subject: [CAnearshore] live fishing
>
I see drastic reductions of all fish near shore out to about 150 feet. It's
almost
like diving Lake Tahoe.  As for managing I'd start off by eliminating all
commercial
fishing within 3 miles of shore. Leave the sport take low untill
populations recover.
Increase the sport take when recovery takes place and then, and only when
there
is excess, should commercial fishing be allowed to resume.
   From what I see first hand a crash in fish
populations is at hand and in some areas already started.  What I just said
might
sound a bit extreme but I use the analogy of commercial deer hunting.
Commercial
deer hunting is not allowed because over time the stock and brood stock would
be reduced to a population crash level.  The very same thing is happening right
now with many (all?) fishing industries.  To many fish caught = not enough for
healthy sustainable populations.

Steve Howe

Steve, Could you be a little more specific about what you see as ruined and
do you have an idea for manageing the problem in your region  Chris Miller
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Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 1:23 PM
Subject: [CAnearshore] live fishing


>
>Hi y'all. I'm new to the list, invited by Ted Wheeler.   I've been diving
>the California
>coast for about 31 years and in that time have seen our fish populations
>decrease
>with alarming speed.  Over the last few years live fishing up here in
>Mendocino has
>ruined, absolutely ruined the fishing for many miles around. Having many
>miles to travel
>for so-so fishing is ridiculous and infuriating to think it's only because
>a few people are
>allowed to exploit what belongs to all of us.  A friend has an underwater
>video camera
>and has agreed to let me make a short tape of what's going on around our
>reefs here.
>Would anyone like a copy?  Might take a couple of months to get it all
>together,
>weather permitting.
>
>Steve Howe, Mendocino, Ca.
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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-----Original Message-----
From: Titan Truck Racks <titan@...>
To: CAnearshore@egroups.com <CAnearshore@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 1:23 PM
Subject: [CAnearshore] live fishing


>
>Hi y'all. I'm new to the list, invited by Ted Wheeler.   I've been diving
>the California
>coast for about 31 years and in that time have seen our fish populations
>decrease
>with alarming speed.  Over the last few years live fishing up here in
>Mendocino has
>ruined, absolutely ruined the fishing for many miles around. Having many
>miles to travel
>for so-so fishing is ridiculous and infuriating to think it's only because
>a few people are
>allowed to exploit what belongs to all of us.  A friend has an underwater
>video camera
>and has agreed to let me make a short tape of what's going on around our
>reefs here.
>Would anyone like a copy?  Might take a couple of months to get it all
>together,
>weather permitting.
>
>Steve Howe, Mendocino, Ca.
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
>
>

Steve-

I live near Russian Gulch, too, and was just driving across the bridge and
saw at least three live fish commercials in there this morning. If there's
anything I can do to help with the tape, let me know. I'm not much of a
diver but I have a boat and fish down that way sometimes. It's getting so
you have to go to Westport to find a legal ling or cabezone.

Also, some video of the trawlers at the dock in Noyo should be taken. I've
seen them pick out several nice sport limits of reds out of the nets (dead)
and toss them over into the river for the sea lions as "bycatch" ....

-Jim Martin, Caspar


> --- Titan Truck Racks <titan@...> wrote:
> [...]A
> friend has an underwater
> video camera
> and has agreed to let me make a short tape of what's
> going on around our
> reefs here.
> Would anyone like a copy?

Yes!
--- Titan Truck Racks <titan@...> wrote:
[...]A
> friend has an underwater
> video camera
> and has agreed to let me make a short tape of what's
> going on around our
> reefs here.
> Would anyone like a copy?  Might take a couple of
> months to get it all
> together,
> weather permitting.
>
> Steve Howe, Mendocino, Ca.
>
>


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Hi y'all. I'm new to the list, invited by Ted Wheeler.   I've been diving
the California
coast for about 31 years and in that time have seen our fish populations
decrease
with alarming speed.  Over the last few years live fishing up here in
Mendocino has
ruined, absolutely ruined the fishing for many miles around. Having many
miles to travel
for so-so fishing is ridiculous and infuriating to think it's only because
a few people are
allowed to exploit what belongs to all of us.  A friend has an underwater
video camera
and has agreed to let me make a short tape of what's going on around our
reefs here.
Would anyone like a copy?  Might take a couple of months to get it all
together,
weather permitting.

Steve Howe, Mendocino, Ca.

Call the DFG Caltip number. They have an urban patrol
looking for bear gall bladders and such. We need to
refocus their efforts.

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This weekend my wife and I went to a Asian Live Fish Market on Irving
Street in San Francisco. These folks had tanks of freshwater Bass,
Trout, Catfish and several very large and very packed tanks full of
China Cod, Olive Cod etc. These tanks were way over populated and
were literally stacked four rows deep with NO space between the fish.
I don't see how they could even move. Many of the fish were either
dead or dieing and many had crystalized eyes. I estimate that there
were hundreds of Rock Fish literally stuffed into these tanks.

They also had a tank full of Cabezon and I swear a number of
undersized Ling Cod. This tank had a lot of green slime on the walls
which made it difficult to see, so I have some doubt about the Lings.

I suspect that many or most of these fish will die in captivity whilst
living in their tanks. Most will not get bonked on the head and get
cleaned.

I was so angry that I was ready to start hollering. But I restrained
myself and instead said nothing.

This is an obscene waste of life and should not be tolerated.  I wonder
why it's getting harder and harder to catch a rock fish off the coast of
California.



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Thanks, Bob.  I plan to send out the summary of an earlier discussion of the
nearshore later today.  I will try incorporating my notes into the email
message.

Mike Weber

Mike, I also had problems using HTML so did what Steve suggested, i.e.
simply put text into e-mails. Unfortunately, all the neat paragraphs and
such are lost but I think folks get used to it.

Bob Humphrey

I don't know what is required for attached files in egroups but usually
when you're a Mac person such as myself, it's best to merely copy the
text and paste it into the body of your message. This way everyone can
read it without having to have a copy of Word, WordPerfect, Nisus....etc.
You will of course lose your formatting.

I ended up having to download a copy of WordPerfect just so I could
open your document. Usually a safe format to save your files in would
be RTF (Rich Text Format) or plain text. A somewhat acceptable format
would also be html. Word Perfect will allow to save as any of these
formats. Just remember that attached files are almost always a pain
to deal with and this is how folks spread viruses. So copy and paste
those text files into your email program.

AOL is another problem. They may actually limit you to a very small
number of characters for email and thus you may be forced to divide
your document into smaller pieces and send in multiple emails.

Hope this helps.

Steve


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Steven,
     I have been trying to get some help from eGroups regarding uploading.
When I have checked, my uploaded files appear like garbage when they are
downloaded.  Do you know if this has anything to do with my using a Mac, AOL,
Wordperfect?
     Thanks for your help!

Mike Weber

I've also uploaded a quick and dirty html version of Michael Weber's
draft notes from the discussion about nearshore options that took place
at the August 25 Commission meeting.

http://www.fishyfish.com/CFGCNS82500.html

Pardon the formatting. I ran out of steam this evening.


Stephen Dampier

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