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AW: [CEP-Interest] Re: A Bitter Pill To Swallow: First Generation CEP Software Needs To Evolve

Hi Tim-san:-)

Actually there is no reason to be frustrated because of CEP success stories.

A lot happens behind the scenes in the meantime.

But regarding the sales cycles, they are quite long, sometimes too long for the survival of a sales guy who has to commit each Q …

Furthermore things are very “political”, because let’s say a customer could be traditionally very “blue” or very “O-red”, but the CEP-technology of “blue” or “O-red” was not really ready to use so far. Such customers may want to switch to another platform, but we all know what it means. And to be the best, does not mean to be bought, of course.

 

I cannot say anything about the domain of algotrading and so on, but in the domain of BPM/BAM/CEP we’ll have some more use cases and success stories within the next months.

 

And it’s not only a problem of CEP in this domain, because we’ve to solve the BPM problem first, stuff like BPMN 2.0, BPDM 1.0, BPEL 3.0… standards are still suffering and we await the new releases announced for Q3 08. Then we’ll swell your toset-event streams or blow up the poset-event cloud with events we need for CEP and real-time BAM. Well known banks, telcos, logistics companies are working on it (see press news of Deutsche Post on the basis of open source SOPware ESB/SOA framework + Systar (BAM)… A lot of projects are starting the next months or even have already started (Audi, CACEIS, Deutsche Post, Deutsche Telekom, Deutsche Bank, Dresdner, INGDiBa, …to name a few which are only some km far from me), but as mentioned they have to solve BPM first, nevertheless they are already defining KPIs (resp. Key Indicators, a term you have suggested some days ago) for BAM and real-time BAM. In March 08, two colleagues – based at Redwood Shores since some months - will have finalized a prototype/thesis based on Oracle 11g/SOPware for Deutsche Post and although we have signed a NDA, I’m sure it will be free for any interested person.

 

Projects and cashflow are different things, as we know. And also success stories released and authorized by the adopters. We’ll not get such information by sending around questionaries. Real business processes and (K)PIs are very confidential.

 

We are also teaching the subjects together with these “industries” and their use cases mentioned above to generate the right people who will do the (different) jobs of workflow modellers and event modellers.

 

Best regards

 

--Rainer

 

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Dear Friends.

I thought about swallowing a pill - but instead have written some thoughts
about it:
http://epthinking.blogspot.com/2008/02/on-bitter-pills-hype-cycles-and-event.html

Cheers,
Opher
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Dr. Opher Etzion
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ESB Technical Strategy, IBM Software Group
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Blog: http://epthinking.blogspot.com/
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Dear Friends,

By popular email requests, I have updated (and hopefully improved) my
prior post in this thread in this blog entry:

A Bitter Pill To Swallow: First Generation CEP Software Needs To Evolve

http://thecepblog.com/2008/02/08/a-bitter-pill-to-swallow-first-generation-cep-software-needs-to-evolve/

Kindly post any comments you may have over at the blog, if you don't mind.

Thank you.

Yours faithfully, Tim

www.thecepblog.com

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You are welcome to contribute any event processing related information on the event processing wiki at: http://www.eventprocessing.eu It's run under my...
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Marco This is a nice initiative. I wished it would be hosted under the same umbrella look and feel and domain as the forum on complexevents.com but that can...
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Alex/Marco, I told the same opinion to David/Opher already: it’s great to have so many initiatives in Event Processing in the meantime, but we should have ...
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Dear Folks, Actually, I don't see any reason that CEP-related material and sites must to be under "one umbrella".... this type of thinking tends to constrain...
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Hi Tim "Branding" (just common domainname here really) certainly don't go against creativity and community driven creation and large participation. I just...
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Dear Alex, People should be focused on developing solutions that solve real customer problems and winning customers that will stand up and say how great the...
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Hi all, I created the wiki as I needed a wiki to have a place to put some of my personal stuff from my blog in a more article format. Mostly to practice my...
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Thanks for sharing with us your concerns. Reading your blog that is a great relay of vendor news and that also adds your own view on this I did not realized...
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