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The Simple Problem and Marketing Perceptions Around CEP   Message List  
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Re: The Simple Problem and Marketing Perceptions Around CEP

The battle between powerful DB engines and nimble processes that keep
a limited set of state in memory has been waged on the trading floor
since time immemorial (at least the 80's). Just when you think the
database has won, some group doesn't want to afford the hardware and
licensing to support their usage and reverts back to the nimble
process. So I would expect there to be room for both models. Kx
products are not cheap, so maybe there is even room for niche EP
vendors to earn decent license rates in this area.

But... One reason for the success of KDB is that if you use it for
your tick database, you can be pretty sure that it will support most
of the stuff that you will want to do with the ticks. Fundamentally,
most CEP vendors don't do a good job of convincing me that their
product will be able to do (or at least will help with) everything I
will want to do in the future. Without this fundamental first step, EP
vendors can't really expect to see major adoption, and will be doomed
to the limbo of project-by-project sales.

--H

--- In CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Adler" <magmasystems@...>
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> >>> (A tick database like KDB would handle this with no problem).
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> Of course, I meant to say "A tick database IMPLEMENTED in KDB"
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(Marc is about to start trouble again ....) The CEP team at Citigroup has been following this thread with a great degree of interest. Let me ask a simple,...
Marc Adler
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Jan 5, 2009
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Marc, My response is that perhaps because the question, as phrased, is not really a CEP question at all... despite attempts to answer it as such. In all...
Brian Connell
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Jan 5, 2009
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... not really a CEP question at all... despite attempts to answer it as such. Brian, If you read my latest blog post, you may have noticed that I wrote about...
Marc Adler
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Jan 5, 2009
6:22 pm

... Of course, I meant to say "A tick database IMPLEMENTED in KDB"...
Marc Adler
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Jan 5, 2009
6:24 pm

The battle between powerful DB engines and nimble processes that keep a limited set of state in memory has been waged on the trading floor since time...
hansgilde
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Jan 5, 2009
8:09 pm

Despite what you might think from reading these recent messages, it's worth remembering that not everything revolves around EP applications destined for ...
Brian Connell
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Jan 5, 2009
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Marc. The short answer is as Brian kept writing -- this is not an event processing problem at all, what this thread shows is that many people don't...
Opher Etzion
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Jan 5, 2009
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I don't work for any of the CEP vendors, but I don't get the same impression. Although the proposed solutions might be more "complex" than people expect or...
Peter Lin
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Jan 5, 2009
6:17 pm

Peter, I know that most things in databases (and CS in general) have deep mathematical roots, but I fail to understand what has first order logic or forward...
Luis Pureza
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Jan 5, 2009
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Hi Marc, here are a few observations. For software vendors, CEP is a marketing device and nothing else. Notice that no two people will agree on what CEP is,...
hansgilde
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Jan 5, 2009
7:34 pm

good question. The reason I mention first order logic is that it's closely related to logic programming. Defining patterns for a EP engine or rule engine is...
Peter Lin
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Jan 5, 2009
9:48 pm

I have to concur with Brian, Hans and Opher here. ... Nothing whatsoever, except that event processing has to be considered alongside conventional data...
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