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The Simple Problem and Marketing Perceptions Around CEP   Message List  
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Re: The Simple Problem and Marketing Perceptions Around CEP

I have to concur with Brian, Hans and Opher here.

> Let me ask a simple, practical question. If the best minds in the CEP
> world are hotly debating the best way to solve something which can
> most likely be solved by a very simple Java/C#/C++ application, what
> does this say about the current state of the CEP marketplace?

Nothing whatsoever, except that event processing has to be considered
alongside conventional data processing issues and is not a panacea for
all problems.

Also, your IT manager might get very bored very quickly tasking a
Java/C# programmer to write / maintain every such query... :)

> I would respectfully say that this thread is perhaps the worst
> advertisement for the CEP marketplace .... and you should endeavor to
> keep this thread away from potential customers.

On the contrary: most CEP vendors are not concerned with "maintaining
hype" but about event processing solutions, and this temporal query is
a good example of a boundary in most CEP technologies. CEP is not the
same as temporal queries (although it can be used to help solve some
of those tricky event-based problems that include time-based aspects.)

> Now let the flames begin ....
Could do with some of those here - its freezing in the UK right now...

Cheers
Paul Vincent / TIBCO

--- In CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Adler" <magmasystems@...>
wrote:
>
> (Marc is about to start trouble again ....)
>
> The CEP team at Citigroup has been following this thread with a great
> degree of interest.
>
> Let me ask a simple, practical question. If the best minds in the CEP
> world are hotly debating the best way to solve something which can
> most likely be solved by a very simple Java/C#/C++ application, what
> does this say about the current state of the CEP marketplace?
>
> I would respectfully say that this thread is perhaps the worst
> advertisement for the CEP marketplace .... and you should endeavor to
> keep this thread away from potential customers.
>
>
> Now let the flames begin ....
>





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(Marc is about to start trouble again ....) The CEP team at Citigroup has been following this thread with a great degree of interest. Let me ask a simple,...
Marc Adler
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Jan 5, 2009
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Marc, My response is that perhaps because the question, as phrased, is not really a CEP question at all... despite attempts to answer it as such. In all...
Brian Connell
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... not really a CEP question at all... despite attempts to answer it as such. Brian, If you read my latest blog post, you may have noticed that I wrote about...
Marc Adler
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Jan 5, 2009
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... Of course, I meant to say "A tick database IMPLEMENTED in KDB"...
Marc Adler
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The battle between powerful DB engines and nimble processes that keep a limited set of state in memory has been waged on the trading floor since time...
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Jan 5, 2009
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Despite what you might think from reading these recent messages, it's worth remembering that not everything revolves around EP applications destined for ...
Brian Connell
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Marc. The short answer is as Brian kept writing -- this is not an event processing problem at all, what this thread shows is that many people don't...
Opher Etzion
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I don't work for any of the CEP vendors, but I don't get the same impression. Although the proposed solutions might be more "complex" than people expect or...
Peter Lin
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Peter, I know that most things in databases (and CS in general) have deep mathematical roots, but I fail to understand what has first order logic or forward...
Luis Pureza
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Hi Marc, here are a few observations. For software vendors, CEP is a marketing device and nothing else. Notice that no two people will agree on what CEP is,...
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good question. The reason I mention first order logic is that it's closely related to logic programming. Defining patterns for a EP engine or rule engine is...
Peter Lin
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I have to concur with Brian, Hans and Opher here. ... Nothing whatsoever, except that event processing has to be considered alongside conventional data...
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