Dear Colleagues,

the (extended) hard deadline for RuleML-2009 (http://2009.ruleml.org
) paper submissions is approaching fast (next Sunday, June, 28th).

Please find below the latest news about RuleML-2009. You will see that we are
again going to build an interesting program addressing reaction rules /
rule-based CEP and semantic CEP with a special track on rule-based Event
Processing and Reaction Rules and a keynote on CEP by Paul Vincent (CTO Tibco
CEP, EPTS RA co-chair).

CEP has been a topic of the RuleML conferences since the very beginning. Here
some historical pointers/references (http://2009.ruleml.org/past) which might be
of interest to the community:

- Keynote by Opher Etzion “Towards an Event-Driven Architecture: An
infrastructure for event processing” on RuleML-2005
- Special workshop on Reaction Rules and Event Processing at RuleML-2006
- Session on Reaction Rules and Rule Applications at RuleML-2007
- Keynote by David Luckham on “The Power of Events: An Introduction to Complex
Event Processing in Distributed Enterprise Systems” at RuleML-2008
- Keynote by Paul Haley on “Event and Process Semantics will Rule” at
RuleML-2008
… and many interesting papers about reaction rules / rule-based CEP in the
conference proceedings of the past years (Springer LNCS and IEEE proceedings),
as well as demos in the RuleML Challenge.

Also, worth mentioning is that the RuleML symposium, which evolved from a series
of first yearly workshops, then conferences, and finally the symposium series,
managed to be under top 100 venues for impact factor in CiteSeerX:
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/stats/venues. Beside our Springer LNCS proceedings
and the currently running IEEE TKDE special issue, we are currently negotiating
another high impact journal special issue.

Best,

Adrian


                    RuleML 2009

3rd International Symposium on Rules, Applications and Interoperability
          November 5-7 2009, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA

                http://2009.ruleml.org/

       co-located with the 12th Business Rules Forum

              ----------------------------



**********************************************************************
*****                  Latest News                              ******
**          Submission Deadline  -   June 28th                      **
**                   ------------------                             **
* Deadline, June 28th for full, short and Challenge demo papers     **
* Special conference track on rule-based Event Processing           **
* Keynotes and special talks by                                     **
*     Paul Vincent (CTO Tibco CEP, ETPS RA) about CEP               **
*     Sandro Hawke (W3C) about W3C                                  **
*     Donald Chapin (OMG BMI DTF about OMG SBVR                     **
*     Jans Aasman (FranzInc. CEO)                                   **
* RuleML in the top 100 venues for impact factor in CiteSeerX       **
* Forthcoming RuleML special journal issue                         **
* Proceedings published in Springer LNCS                            **
* Tutorials about W3C RIF, Drools, Business Process Compliance     **
* New categories in the Challenge with prestigious prizes         **
* Rules standards session, W3C RIF workshop, lunch panel on Web Rules*
* Student grants of the value of up to $1000 plus free registration **
* 20% RuleML-2009 Partner discounts - see registration page         **
**********************************************************************

This year, the 3rd International Symposium on Rules, Applications and
Interoperability (RuleML-2009) takes place in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA,
collocated with the 12th Business Rules Forum, the world's largest Business
Rules event.

The International Symposium on Rules, Applications and Interoperability has
evolved from an annual series of international workshops since 2002,
international conferences in 2005 and 2006, and international symposia since
2007, and is now in the top 100 venues for impact factor  (71):
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/stats/venues.



Supported by
===================================================================
W3C, OMG, ACM, AAAI, ECCAI, IAAIL, ACM, Belgian Business Rules Forum
MIT Sloan CIO Symposium, EPTS, BPM Forum Belgium

Sponsored by
===================================================================

Franz Inc
NICTA (National ICT Australia) Ltd
Corporate Semantic Web
Logic Programming Associated Ltd
ruleCore
JBoss
Modelsystems Ltd

(sponsoring opportunities: http://www.defeasible.org/ruleml2009/sponsors)
===================================================================

The W3C Rule Interchange Format (RIF) Working Group has posted 6 Last Call
documents for the W3C Rule Interchange Format standard which includes a W3C RIF
Production Rules Dialect (RIF-PRD).
See www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/RIF_Working_Group.
Last call period ends 31 July 2009.

The mission of the Rule Interchange Format (RIF) Working Group is to produce W3C
recommendations for rules interchange. Next step will be the call for
implementations of RIF. Upcoming RIF dialects will address reaction rules for
rule-based CEP.

The new RIF standard is featured at the RuleML 2009 Conference in a W3C RIF
workshop in November 2009 (see http://2009.ruleml.org) with a keynote from
Sandro Hawke (W3C staff representative on the RIF WG) and a tutorial from
Christian de Sainte Marie (ILOG/IBM, co-chair of the RIF WG). There will be also
keynote by Paul Vincent (TIBCO CTO for Business Rules and CEP, EPTS-RA WG
Co-Chair) about “Why Rules Matter in Complex Event Processing... and vice
versa” and a keynote by Donald Chapin (co-chair of the OMG Business Modeling &
Integration Domain Task Force, co-chair OMG SBVR) about “Terminology: The
Semantic Foundation for an Organization’s Executable Rules”.

RuleML-2009 currently has an open call for demonstrations/case
studies/benchmarks/best practice reports for the 3rd Rules Challenge at
RuleML-2009 (http://2009.ruleml.org), including demos on rule-based event
processing.

Early registration deadline is July 15th.


International Summer School on Events, Publish/Subscribe and Systems
August 16th-21st, 2009, Oslo, Norway

CALL FOR PARTICIPATION

Organized and sponsored by
Canada-Norway Partnership in Higher Education (CANOE) and
EuroSys, the European chapter of ACM SIGOPS

http://canoe.ifi.uio.no/index.php/about-summer-school

Updates:

  o Program is posted
  o Registration is open (early registration deadline is July 15th)
    http://canoe.ifi.uio.no/index.php/registration

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OVERVIEW AND TOPICS

The summer school aims at bringing together graduate students,
researchers, and practitioners interested in event processing,
publish/subscribe, and systems research. Topics covered by the school
include:

       * Events, event processing, and CEP applications
       * Event stream processing and applications
       * Publish/subscribe, messaging, real-time data distribution
       * Smart grids and sense-and-response systems
       * Lessons learned from developing large-scale systems

Lectures are given by renowned researchers and industry practitioners,
and combine theory and foundations, concepts and algorithms, and
experience reports and lessons learned.  Lectures also feature
advanced topics, research questions, and group discussions. Particular
emphasis is put on encouraging active participation in discussions,
brainstorming, and break-out sessions. Participants will have the
opportunity to demonstrate their research in poster presentations.

The Summer School will be held at the Sundvolden Hotel, one of the
oldest Norwegian hotels. The area's picturesque landscape is enclosed
by a number of fjords and lies at the foot of the Krokskogen mountain.
At the same time, it is conveniently accessible by bus from both Oslo
and the Gardermoen airport (Oslo airport).

The Summer School is hosted by the Networks and Distributed Systems
Group at the University of Oslo.

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CONFIRMED SPEAKERS

K. Mani Chandy, Caltech, U.S.
Towards a Discipline of "Smart" Systems: Event-Driven Sense and
Response

Eric Jul, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
Mohammed and the Mountain: Distributing Data, or Moving to the Data?

Angelo Corsaro, PrismTech, France
Real-Time Data Distribution

Pascal Felber,  University of Neuchatel, Switzerland
Content Routing and Filtering in the Large Scale

Bugra Gedik, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center, U.S.
High-performance Event Stream Processing Infrastructures and
Applications

Hans-Arno Jacobsen, University of Toronto, Canada
Event Processing and Publish/Subscribe Algorithms

Guy Korland, Gigaspaces
Title, TBD

Guillaume Pierre, Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam, Netherlands
Replicating for Performance: Case Studies

John Reumann, Google, U.S.
Pub/Sub at Google

Paul Vincent, TIBCO
Overview of Commercial Trends in Event Processing


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REGISTRATION

The registration fee is 6295 NOK (about 715 Euro / $US 975) for shared
accommodations (one person in a double room) or 7295 NOK (about 829
Euro / $US 1131) for one person in a single room.

Registration includes access to the school, accommodations (5 nights),
and all meals (including breakfast, lunch, dinner, and breaks).
Please note, the summer school operates on a non-for-profit basis.
The fees are exclusively for board and lodging at the hotel.

To register: http://canoe.ifi.uio.no/index.php/registration


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           3rd International Rules Challenge

                            at

                        RuleML-2009 

          co-located with the Business Rules Forum                      

           November 5-7 2009, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA

               http://2009.ruleml.org/challenge

============================================================================

                        Latest News                                 

     3rd Int. Rules Challenge - Open Call for Submissions          

                    ------------------                             

 Keynotes and special talks by                                     

     Sandro Hawke (W3C Contact) about W3C RIF                      

     Donald Chapin (OMG BMI Chair) about OMG SBVR                  

     Paul Vincent (TIBCO CTO) about CEP and Rules                   

     Jans Aasman (Franz Inc. CEO)                                  

 Tutorials by                                                      

     Christian Saint Marie (ILog/IBM) - W3C RIF Tutorial           

     Larry Goldberg and Babara von Halle - Decision Management     

     Mark Proctor (Drools) - Drools Tutorial                       

     Guido Governatori (NICTA) - Business Process Compliance          

 RuleML in the top venues for scientific impact factor in CiteSeerX

 Forthcoming RuleML special journal issue                            

 Additional CEUR Proceedings for Rules Challenge papers            

 New categories in the Challenge with prestigious prizes              

 W3C Rule Interchange Format workshop (more information below)     

 OMG and industrial standards sessions, lunch panel on Web Rules     

 Student grants of the value of up to $1000 plus free registration 

 20% RuleML-2009 Partner discounts - see registration page         

         Super Early Bird Registration Deadline ends soon!         

============================================================================

Open Call for Submissions to the 2009 Rules Challenge

============================================================================

The Rules Challenge is one of the highlights at RuleML-2009 with prestigious

prizes. Submissions of benchmarks/evaluations, demos, case studies / use

cases, experience reports, best practice solutions (e.g. design patterns,

reference architectures, models), rule-based implementations/ tools/

applications, demonstrations engineering methods, implementations of rule

standards (e.g. RuleML, RIF, SBVR, PRR, rule-based Event Processing

languages, BPMN+rules, BPEL+rules, ...), rules + industrial standards (e.g.

XBRL, MISMO, Accord, ...), and industrial problem statements are

particularly  encouraged.

The participants of the Challenge have the opportunity to understand the

most current trend of rule technology and standard development through

highly interactive with the experts in this field.

Submission

============================================================================

In addition to your demo/hands-on/report/.. it is possible to submit

Challenge demo papers describing research, implementation, and technical

details of your submission. The peer-reviewed and selected papers will be

published in additional special Challenge proceedings (CEURS proceedings are

requested) along with the online publication of your demo in the highly

visible growing Rules Challenge pool. A selection of revised papers from the

Challenge will be resubmitted to a special issue of a journal.

Authors are invited to submit original contributions of practical relevance

and technical rigor in the field, benchmarks, evaluations, experience

reports and show case/use case demonstrations of effective, practical,

deployable rule-based technologies or applications in distributed

environments. Papers must be in English.

Demo papers submission website: http://www.easychair.org

Demo systems submission website: http://ruleml-challenge.cs.nccu.edu.tw

Please upload all submissions as PDF files in LNCS format

(http://www.springer.de/comp/lncs/authors.html). To ensure high quality,

submitted papers will be carefully peer-reviewed by 3 PC members based on

originality, significance, technical soundness, and clarity of exposition.

Submissions to the Rules Challenge 2009 consist of a demo paper of 4-8

pages, describing the demo show case, and a link to more information about

the demo/show case, e.g. a project site, an online demonstration, a

presentation about the demonstration, or a download site for the

demonstration. In case of product demos, the link can be password-protected:

please submit a password for anonymous login from any Web browser, giving us

the permission to pass the password on to 3 PC members.         

Important Date

------------------

September 4th   - submission deadline for demo papers and demo systems

September 15th - notification of accepted demo papers and demo systems

October 29th  -  submission deadline for demo systems only

          MAKE RULEML-2009 YOUR SHOWCASE!    

2009 Rules Challenge Program Committee

----------------------------------------

see Challenge website http://2009.ruleml.org/challenge

W3C RIF Workshop at RuleML-2009

============================================================================

The W3C Rule Interchange Format (RIF) Working Group (www.w3.org/2005/rules/)

has recently published 6 specifications for the W3C Rule Interchange Format

standard which includes a W3C RIF Production Rules Dialect (RIF-PRD) and a

W3C Basic Logic Dialect (RIF-BLD).

The mission of the Rule Interchange Format (RIF) Working Group is to produce

W3C recommendations for rules interchange languages. Next step will be the

call for implementations of RIF which might be demonstrated at the

RuleML-2009 W3C RIF Workshop. Upcoming future RIF dialects might address a

reaction rules dialect for rule-based complex event processing (CEP).

The new RIF standard is featured at the RuleML 2009 Conference in a W3C RIF

workshop in November 2009 (see http://2009.ruleml.org) with a keynote from

Sandro Hawke (W3C staff representative on the RIF WG) and a tutorial from

Christian de Sainte Marie (ILOG/IBM, co-chair of the RIF WG). There will be

also keynote by Paul Vincent (TIBCO CTO for Business Rules and CEP, EPTS-RA

WG Co-Chair) about "Why Rules Matter in Complex Event Processing... and vice

versa" and a keynote by Donald Chapin (co-chair of the OMG Business Modeling

& Integration Domain Task Force, co-chair OMG SBVR) about "Terminology: The

Semantic Foundation for an Organization's Executable Rules".

About RuleML-2009

============================================================================

This year, the 3rd International Symposium on Rules, Applications and

Interoperability (RuleML-2009) takes place in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA,

collocated with the 12th Business Rules Forum, the world's largest Business

Rules event. RuleML-2009 is devoted to practical distributed rule

technologies and rule-based applications. The International Symposium on

Rules, Applications and Interoperability has evolved from an annual series

of international workshops since 2002, international conferences in 2005 and

2006, and international symposia since 2007, and is now in the top 100

venues for scientific impact factor in CiteseerX

(http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/stats/venues).

Supported by

===================================================================

W3C, OMG, ACM, AAAI, ECCAI, IAAIL, ACM, Belgian Business Rules Forum MIT

Sloan CIO Symposium, EPTS, BPM Forum Belgium

Sponsored by

===================================================================

Franz Inc

NICTA (National ICT Australia) Ltd

Corporate Semantic Web

Logic Programming Associated Ltd

ruleCore

JBoss

Modelsystems Ltd

(sponsoring opportunities: http://2009.ruleml.org/sponsors)

===================================================================

Dear CEP Colleagues,

W3C is requesting comments on the new W3C Rule Interchange Format (W3C RIF)
standard. The mission of the Rule Interchange Format (RIF) Working Group 
(http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/RIF_Working_Group) is to produce W3C
recommendations for rule interchange, including reaction rules for rule-based
event processing.

Could you send an email about your RIF interest or assessment with a view on
your own work?

Comments from the public to the Working Group are very welcome at
mailto:public-rif-comments@...

Your public Comment will make a difference in this decisive Last Call round,
since it is highly relevant and early stage.

Please, send it soon, even if very short, e.g. just announcing that you are
interested in
RIF or that you plan to do an implementation of RIF.

Here is the News about the new RIF documents:

http://www.w3.org/News/2009#item123

The W3C Rule Interchange Format working group
http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/RIF_Working_Group
has released a number of documents. All the documents below have the "last call"
status
in W3C-speak.

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/FLD - Framework for logic dialects
                                         Framework for defining expressive logic
                                         dialects, including those with default
                                         and explicit negation.

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/BLD - Basic logic dialect
                                         (Horn with syntactic extensions)

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/PRD - RIF production rule dialect

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Core - The core RIF dialect.
                                          A simple sub-dialect of BLD and PRD
                                          (no function symbols and other
                                          restrictions).

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/DTB - RIF datatypes and built-ins

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/SWC - RDF and OWL compatibility
                                         Defines the BLD+RDF and BLD+OWL dialects

Upcoming RIF dialects will address a reaction rules dialect for rule-based CEP.

The new RIF standard is featured at the RuleML 2009 Conference in a W3C RIF
workshop in
November 2009 (see http://2009.ruleml.org) with a keynote from Sandro Hawke (W3C
staff
representative on the RIF WG) and a tutorial from Christian de Sainte Marie
(ILOG/IBM,
co-chair of the RIF WG). There will be also keynote by Paul Vincent (TIBCO CTO
for
Business Rules and CEP, EPTS-RA WG Co-Chair) about "Why Rules Matter in Complex
Event
Processing... and vice versa" and a keynote by Donald Chapin (co-chair of the
OMG
Business Modeling & Integration Domain Task Force, co-chair OMG SBVR) about
"Terminology:
The Semantic Foundation for an Organization’s Executable Rules".

RuleML-2009 currently has an open call for demonstrations/case
studies/benchmarks/best
practice reports for the 3rd Rules Challenge at RuleML-2009
(http://2009.ruleml.org/challenge).

Thanks a lot,

Adrian Paschke

---------------------------------------
Prof. Dr. Adrian Paschke
Freie Universität Berlin
FB Mathematik und Informatik
Institut für Informatik
AG Corporate Semantic Web
Königin-Luise-Str. 24/26
14195 Berlin
Email: paschke@...
Tel.: 030 838 75225
Website: http://www.csw.inf.fu-berlin.de/

News:
---------
BMBF Innoprofile Project Corporate Semantic Web:
http://www.corporate-semantic-web.de
RuleML-2009: http://2009.ruleml.org
3rd Berlin Semantic Web Meetup:
http://www.meetup.com/The-Berlin-Semantic-Web-Meetup-Group/
Industry Training "Business Rules Reloaded"
http://www.enterprise-design.eu/de/events/brreloaded

[Our apologies if you receive duplicates of this posting]

           3rd International Rules Challenge

                            at

                        RuleML-2009
          co-located with the Business Rules Forum

           November 5-7 2009, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA

               http://2009.ruleml.org/challenge


====================================================================
      Second Call for Submissions to the 2009 Rules Challenge
====================================================================


The Rules Challenge is one of the highlights at RuleML-2009. Submissions
are bound to come to the attention of a wide audience, for reasons
outlined below. The goal of the Rules Challenge is to encourage any
work of practical relevance in the field of Rule Based Applications,
spanning the range from research to industry.


* What to submit

Submission topics may come from a wide range of the field, such as
(but not limited to) the following:

  - best practice solutions, e.g., design patterns and architecture models;
  - case studies and experience reports describing novel or interesting
    solutions and use cases;
  - benchmarks and other evaluations of rule-based systems;
  - tools for manipulating rules and related data in existing or
    emerging standards (e.g., RuleML, RIF, SBVR, PRR,...) or commercial
    rule-based system implementations;
  - engineering methods for development and deployment of rule-based
    solutions.

Authors are invited to submit original contributions of practical
relevance and technical rigor in the field.

A submission should consist of a paper (typically of 4-8 pages) describing
any theoretical foundation, implementation issues, technical details and
collected results of your work. If applicable, a demonstration program
illustrating your development would be highly valued.


* Publication and Review

Peer-reviewed  papers, which must be in English, will be published
in additional special Challenge proceedings, to be published (as
CEUR proceedings www.CEUR-WS.org), along with the online publication
of your demo in the highly visible growing Rules Challenge pool
(http://ruleml-challenge.cs.nccu.edu.tw). To ensure high quality,
submitted papers will be carefully peer-reviewed by 3 PC members
based on originality, significance, technical soundness, and clarity
of exposition.  A selection of revised papers from the Challenge will
be resubmitted to a special issue of a journal.


* Where to submit

The RuleML-2009 Challenge papers submission website:
http://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=2009ruleschallenge
Please upload all submissions as PDF files in LNCS format
(http://www.springer.de/comp/lncs/authors.html).

The RuleML-2009 Demonstration systems submission website:
http://ruleml-challenge.cs.nccu.edu.tw
Alternatively, your demo could be provided online, as a Web service,
or for downloading from a site of your choice. Links to product demos
should be password-protected: please submit a password for anonymous
login from any Web browser, giving us the permission to pass the
password on up to 5 PC members.


* Why you should participate

RuleML-2009, the 3rd International Symposium on Rules, Applications and
Interoperability in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA, is one of the most attractive
international conferences, now being in the top 100 venues for scientific
impact factor in CiteseerX. Being this year collocated with the 12th
Business Rules Forum, the world's largest Business Rules event, it is
guaranteed to bring your contribution to the attention of the widest-ever
audience.

The participants of the Challenge will have the opportunity to be part
of the latest trends in rule technology and standards development
through high-density interaction with the experts in this field.

Last, but not least - there are prestigious prizes to be won!


* Important Dates

September  4th � submission deadline for demo papers and systems
September 15th � notification of accepted demo papers and systems
October   22th - submission deadline for demo systems without papers
October   29th - notification of accepted demo systems without papers


                MAKE RULEML-2009 YOUR SHOWCASE!


* 2009 Rules Challenge Program Committee

See Challenge website http://2009.ruleml.org/challenge.


===================================================================
                      About RuleML-2009
===================================================================
This year, the 3rd International Symposium on Rules, Applications and
Interoperability (RuleML-2009) takes place in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA,
collocated with the 12th Business Rules Forum, the world's largest
Business Rules event. RuleML-2009 is devoted to practical distributed
rule technologies and rule-based applications. The International
Symposium on Rules, Applications and Interoperability has evolved
from an annual series of international workshops since 2002,
international conferences in 2005 and 2006, and international symposia
since 2007, and is now in the top 100 venues for scientific impact
factor in CiteseerX (http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/stats/venues).


===================================================================
                        Supported by
===================================================================
W3C, OMG, ACM, AAAI, ECCAI, IAAIL, ACM, Belgian Business Rules Forum MIT
Sloan CIO Symposium, EPTS, BPM Forum Belgium

===================================================================
                        Sponsored by
===================================================================
BBN Technologies
Franz Inc
NICTA (National ICT Australia) Ltd
Corporate Semantic Web
Logic Programming Associated Ltd
ruleCore
JBoss
Modelsystems Ltd

(Sponsoring opportunities: http://2009.ruleml.org/sponsors)
===================================================================

I am borrowing the title style here from Opher's blog.
It is coincidence that CEP-JP started around the same time a year after opher's
blog. It is also coincidense that we published our comments on the first year at
CEP-JP around the same time Opher published his.
CAC Japan started CEP-JP a year ago to promote CEP technology here in Japan.
Although Japan was the focus at first, CEP-JP is meant to serve the CEP
community at large now. Although popular in Japan, CEP is yet to be recognized
widely elsewhere. A quick analysis showed that we had a moderate number of
around 250 unique visitors last week. We expect the number to sky-rocket when
referenced by major CEP sites. Our sight is on the Complex Event Processing site
if we are lucky enough.
We take this opportunity to invite you CEP-JP. You will see our activities and
comments on the first year at CEP-JP besides remarks on CEP situation in Japan
in general. Be assured, We have a lot of English content. We have also
translated most of the titles to make your stay enjoyable.
Waiting for you at http://cep-jp.org/contents/CEPJP with sushi and Japanese
green tea.

Any thoughts about the Forrester Wave paper, "Complex Event Processing
(CEP) Platforms, Q3 2009"
http://cep1.assureroi.com/email/cep1/Forrester_Wave_complex_event_processing_cep\
_platforms.pdf
?

 					 Seth


--
Seth Grimes   Alta Plana Corp, analytical computing & data management
                  Intelligent Enterprise (TechWeb), Contributing Editor
grimes@...          http://altaplana.com    +1 301-270-0795

This looks very similar to the paid report I saw, and if it is, then I think
someone should remove this link from the Yahoo group, out of respect to
Forrester.

Also a comment on the report:

It is interesting, but it should be taken with a tablespoon of salt. Two reasons
for that:

1) Look at the data sources for the evaluation. None of the authors have ever
used any of these products in the field. Sure they spoke to reference customers,
but that is hardly the same thing.

The report is based on 4-6 hours spent with each vendor's team. That's a total
of 56 hours of actual evaluation, none of which involved taking a product
through a real project. The problem is that all of these vendors will come in
with prepared spiels about the amazing feature of their engine, language, etc.
They all compete with each other every day, and they've prepared their most
successful arguments for why their features beat out all the others. All of this
will have been new to the evaluators, having never looked at this product
category before. And from personal experience, I can tell you that there is no
way that 56 hours is enough to understand what are the important features and
what aren't.

2) The methodology for judging the various features and even the scenarios used
to test the products are not transparent. So none of the folks writing the wave
have ever used one of these products for real, and they work for an analyst firm
- not even a consulting firm where the products have actually been used before.
And you are to trust that they did a good job coming up with scenarios and
criteria for a highly technical category like "Event Processing Features"? Not
me, thanks.

Anyway, I think they should have teamed up with a known CEP consultancy like
Lib49 to produce this report. They should have gotten a consultant or two that
had actually used these products in multiple environments, on board with writing
this thing.

--- In CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com, Seth Grimes <grimes@...> wrote:
>
> Any thoughts about the Forrester Wave paper, "Complex Event Processing
> (CEP) Platforms, Q3 2009"
>
http://cep1.assureroi.com/email/cep1/Forrester_Wave_complex_event_processing_cep\
_platforms.pdf
> ?
>
>  				 Seth
>
>
> --
> Seth Grimes   Alta Plana Corp, analytical computing & data management
>                  Intelligent Enterprise (TechWeb), Contributing Editor
> grimes@...          http://altaplana.com    +1 301-270-0795
>

Hans, it is a report you normally have to buy, but I assumed that since
Progress Software had openly posted it to a site they own, they had
secured permission, presumably by paying a fee, to be allowed to post the
report.  That would make sense since Progress is rated highly in the
report.

I'll also observe that industry analysts, like journalists, rarely claim
direct, personal experience with the matters they report and analyze.

 					 Seth

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, hansgilde wrote:

> This looks very similar to the paid report I saw, and if it is, then I think
someone should remove this link from the Yahoo group, out of respect to
Forrester.
>
> Also a comment on the report:
>
> It is interesting, but it should be taken with a tablespoon of salt. Two
reasons for that:
>
> 1) Look at the data sources for the evaluation. None of the authors have ever
used any of these products in the field. Sure they spoke to reference customers,
but that is hardly the same thing.
>
> The report is based on 4-6 hours spent with each vendor's team. That's a total
of 56 hours of actual evaluation, none of which involved taking a product
through a real project. The problem is that all of these vendors will come in
with prepared spiels about the amazing feature of their engine, language, etc.
They all compete with each other every day, and they've prepared their most
successful arguments for why their features beat out all the others. All of this
will have been new to the evaluators, having never looked at this product
category before. And from personal experience, I can tell you that there is no
way that 56 hours is enough to understand what are the important features and
what aren't.
>
> 2) The methodology for judging the various features and even the scenarios
used to test the products are not transparent. So none of the folks writing the
wave have ever used one of these products for real, and they work for an analyst
firm - not even a consulting firm where the products have actually been used
before. And you are to trust that they did a good job coming up with scenarios
and criteria for a highly technical category like "Event Processing Features"?
Not me, thanks.
>
> Anyway, I think they should have teamed up with a known CEP consultancy like
Lib49 to produce this report. They should have gotten a consultant or two that
had actually used these products in multiple environments, on board with writing
this thing.
>
> --- In CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com, Seth Grimes <grimes@...> wrote:
>>
>> Any thoughts about the Forrester Wave paper, "Complex Event Processing
>> (CEP) Platforms, Q3 2009"
>>
http://cep1.assureroi.com/email/cep1/Forrester_Wave_complex_event_processing_cep\
_platforms.pdf
>> ?
>>
>>  				 Seth
>>
>>
>> --
>> Seth Grimes   Alta Plana Corp, analytical computing & data management
>>                  Intelligent Enterprise (TechWeb), Contributing Editor
>> grimes@...          http://altaplana.com    +1 301-270-0795
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Replying to both comments about how analysts usually lack direct, personal
experience:

Like I said, the report is interesting but should be taken with some skepticism,
simply because of the nature of the analysts involved. Involving experienced
users would still make it more interesting in my view.

If there is a spreadsheet of the criteria, I didn't look at it when I first saw
this report, but kudos to them for being transparent.

I agree that a principled evaluation of CEP products is a positive thing.

--- In CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com, Seth Grimes <grimes@...> wrote:
>
> Hans, it is a report you normally have to buy, but I assumed that since
> Progress Software had openly posted it to a site they own, they had
> secured permission, presumably by paying a fee, to be allowed to post the
> report.  That would make sense since Progress is rated highly in the
> report.
>
> I'll also observe that industry analysts, like journalists, rarely claim
> direct, personal experience with the matters they report and analyze.
>
>  				 Seth
>
> On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, hansgilde wrote:
>
> > This looks very similar to the paid report I saw, and if it is, then I think
someone should remove this link from the Yahoo group, out of respect to
Forrester.
> >
> > Also a comment on the report:
> >
> > It is interesting, but it should be taken with a tablespoon of salt. Two
reasons for that:
> >
> > 1) Look at the data sources for the evaluation. None of the authors have
ever used any of these products in the field. Sure they spoke to reference
customers, but that is hardly the same thing.
> >
> > The report is based on 4-6 hours spent with each vendor's team. That's a
total of 56 hours of actual evaluation, none of which involved taking a product
through a real project. The problem is that all of these vendors will come in
with prepared spiels about the amazing feature of their engine, language, etc.
They all compete with each other every day, and they've prepared their most
successful arguments for why their features beat out all the others. All of this
will have been new to the evaluators, having never looked at this product
category before. And from personal experience, I can tell you that there is no
way that 56 hours is enough to understand what are the important features and
what aren't.
> >
> > 2) The methodology for judging the various features and even the scenarios
used to test the products are not transparent. So none of the folks writing the
wave have ever used one of these products for real, and they work for an analyst
firm - not even a consulting firm where the products have actually been used
before. And you are to trust that they did a good job coming up with scenarios
and criteria for a highly technical category like "Event Processing Features"?
Not me, thanks.
> >
> > Anyway, I think they should have teamed up with a known CEP consultancy like
Lib49 to produce this report. They should have gotten a consultant or two that
had actually used these products in multiple environments, on board with writing
this thing.
> >
> > --- In CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com, Seth Grimes <grimes@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Any thoughts about the Forrester Wave paper, "Complex Event Processing
> >> (CEP) Platforms, Q3 2009"
> >>
http://cep1.assureroi.com/email/cep1/Forrester_Wave_complex_event_processing_cep\
_platforms.pdf
> >> ?
> >>
> >>  				 Seth
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Seth Grimes   Alta Plana Corp, analytical computing & data management
> >>                  Intelligent Enterprise (TechWeb), Contributing Editor
> >> grimes@          http://altaplana.com    +1 301-270-0795
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Seth Grimes   Alta Plana Corp, analytical computing & data management
>                  Intelligent Enterprise (TechWeb), Contributing Editor
> grimes@...          http://altaplana.com    +1 301-270-0795
>

The world of CEP is rather small. If we count all the commercial
offerings and the open source projects there are not that many to choose
from.

If I would pay for this kind of report I would expect it to at least
list all of them so I would know what my choices are, I suppose that
would be one of the reasons to pay for this kind of reports instead of
asking google. It's not more than fair that the biggest vendors get more
exposure in the report but not even finding the smaller niche vendors is
a bit strange.

But it is a good sign that Forrester produces a report on CEP, they must
think that there's at least a number of people out there willing to pay
for information about CEP. And that's a sign that CEP is finding its way
to people outside the inner circle.

But from what I hear from clients, partners and colleagues very few even
bother reading reports from these 'research'  companies. The general
feeling seems to be that they are not as independent as they say and
better information is found in blogs, forums and other type of
non-traditional sources. I think it is a good thing that people outside
the CEP community analyses and hopefully sees things from a different
angle than we do. I hope that Forrester sold a lot of these so that they
feel that there are $$ in the CEP market.

cheers
/Marco


hansgilde wrote:
>
>
> Replying to both comments about how analysts usually lack direct,
> personal experience:
>
> Like I said, the report is interesting but should be taken with some
> skepticism, simply because of the nature of the analysts involved.
> Involving experienced users would still make it more interesting in my
> view.
>
> If there is a spreadsheet of the criteria, I didn't look at it when I
> first saw this report, but kudos to them for being transparent.
>
> I agree that a principled evaluation of CEP products is a positive thing.
>
> --- In CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:CEP-Interest%40yahoogroups.com>, Seth Grimes <grimes@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hans, it is a report you normally have to buy, but I assumed that since
> > Progress Software had openly posted it to a site they own, they had
> > secured permission, presumably by paying a fee, to be allowed to
> post the
> > report. That would make sense since Progress is rated highly in the
> > report.
> >
> > I'll also observe that industry analysts, like journalists, rarely
> claim
> > direct, personal experience with the matters they report and analyze.
> >
> > Seth
> >
> > On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, hansgilde wrote:
> >
> > > This looks very similar to the paid report I saw, and if it is,
> then I think someone should remove this link from the Yahoo group, out
> of respect to Forrester.
> > >
> > > Also a comment on the report:
> > >
> > > It is interesting, but it should be taken with a tablespoon of
> salt. Two reasons for that:
> > >
> > > 1) Look at the data sources for the evaluation. None of the
> authors have ever used any of these products in the field. Sure they
> spoke to reference customers, but that is hardly the same thing.
> > >
> > > The report is based on 4-6 hours spent with each vendor's team.
> That's a total of 56 hours of actual evaluation, none of which
> involved taking a product through a real project. The problem is that
> all of these vendors will come in with prepared spiels about the
> amazing feature of their engine, language, etc. They all compete with
> each other every day, and they've prepared their most successful
> arguments for why their features beat out all the others. All of this
> will have been new to the evaluators, having never looked at this
> product category before. And from personal experience, I can tell you
> that there is no way that 56 hours is enough to understand what are
> the important features and what aren't.
> > >
> > > 2) The methodology for judging the various features and even the
> scenarios used to test the products are not transparent. So none of
> the folks writing the wave have ever used one of these products for
> real, and they work for an analyst firm - not even a consulting firm
> where the products have actually been used before. And you are to
> trust that they did a good job coming up with scenarios and criteria
> for a highly technical category like "Event Processing Features"? Not
> me, thanks.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I think they should have teamed up with a known CEP
> consultancy like Lib49 to produce this report. They should have gotten
> a consultant or two that had actually used these products in multiple
> environments, on board with writing this thing.
> > >
> > > --- In CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:CEP-Interest%40yahoogroups.com>, Seth Grimes <grimes@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Any thoughts about the Forrester Wave paper, "Complex Event
> Processing
> > >> (CEP) Platforms, Q3 2009"
> > >>
>
http://cep1.assureroi.com/email/cep1/Forrester_Wave_complex_event_processing_cep\
_platforms.pdf
>
<http://cep1.assureroi.com/email/cep1/Forrester_Wave_complex_event_processing_ce\
p_platforms.pdf>
> > >> ?
> > >>
> > >> Seth
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Seth Grimes Alta Plana Corp, analytical computing & data management
> > >> Intelligent Enterprise (TechWeb), Contributing Editor
> > >> grimes@ http://altaplana.com <http://altaplana.com> +1 301-270-0795
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Seth Grimes Alta Plana Corp, analytical computing & data management
> > Intelligent Enterprise (TechWeb), Contributing Editor
> > grimes@... http://altaplana.com <http://altaplana.com> +1 301-270-0795
> >
>
>


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Dave, which overlooked solutions are you thinking of in particular?

 					 Seth


On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, David Tucker wrote:

> Yes. It's very disappointing that they didn't look at all the solutions in the
space, instead choosing to concentrate on the American flavours. There are some
very interesting technologies in EU and ANZ that were over looked - some that
are on par or better than the ones they actually did take the time to look at.
>
> Dave
>
> From: CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Seth Grimes
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2009 8:05 PM
> To: CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [CEP-Interest] Forrester Wave
>
>
>
> Any thoughts about the Forrester Wave paper, "Complex Event Processing
> (CEP) Platforms, Q3 2009"
>
http://cep1.assureroi.com/email/cep1/Forrester_Wave_complex_event_processing_cep\
_platforms.pdf
> ?
>
> Seth
>
> --
> Seth Grimes Alta Plana Corp, analytical computing & data management
> Intelligent Enterprise (TechWeb), Contributing Editor
> grimes@...<mailto:grimes%40altaplana.com> http://altaplana.com +1
301-270-0795
>
>

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                  Intelligent Enterprise (TechWeb), Contributing Editor
grimes@...          http://altaplana.com    +1 301-270-0795

I was involved in the Wave process as a representative of Progress/Apama. John
Rymer and Mike Gualteri from Forrester pressed us hard on all aspects of our
technology from the core engine to the language to tooling. They pushed for
pricing and licensing models and lastly interviewed a number of our customers.
I'm confident that the level of investigation, thoroughness and rigor done by
Forrester was the same for all vendors. If was quite clear to me John & Mike
were championing customers over vendors in their investigations for this report.

From start to finish the process (for Forrester) took many months. Needless to
say any number of "events" could happening during that time (i.e. Microsoft
announcement of StreamInsight, Aleri acquisition of Coral8, etc.). They were so
far down the path, any changes would have just delayed the release of the report
(i.e. equivalent of s/w feature creep).

The report is available in two forms. The one freely available is a pdf summary
report which provides an overview of the vendors involved, the goals of the
investigation and the ranking of vendors in three broad categories (Platform,
Strategy, Customers).

The other report, the one Forrester charges for (or is available to any of
Forrester's existing clients), is an Excel spreadsheet that has the full content
of their investigation.

Each vendor was ranked against a litany of weighted criteria. You can
dynamically change the weights to suite you own priorities to see how it changes
the vendor's overall ranking.

Clearly analyst reports are no substitute for a specific customer's direct needs
as outlined is an RFP or RFI. Those documents, are a  blueprint to the business
requirements. Analyst reports, such as the Forrester CEP Wave provide guidance
and direction for customers interested in CEP technology as a means to deliver
on their business.

Louie

--- In CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com, Seth Grimes <grimes@...> wrote:
>
> Dave, which overlooked solutions are you thinking of in particular?
>
>  				 Seth
>
>
> On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, David Tucker wrote:
>
> > Yes. It's very disappointing that they didn't look at all the solutions in
the space, instead choosing to concentrate on the American flavours. There are
some very interesting technologies in EU and ANZ that were over looked - some
that are on par or better than the ones they actually did take the time to look
at.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > From: CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Seth Grimes
> > Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2009 8:05 PM
> > To: CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [CEP-Interest] Forrester Wave
> >
> >
> >
> > Any thoughts about the Forrester Wave paper, "Complex Event Processing
> > (CEP) Platforms, Q3 2009"
> >
http://cep1.assureroi.com/email/cep1/Forrester_Wave_complex_event_processing_cep\
_platforms.pdf
> > ?
> >
> > Seth
> >
> > --
> > Seth Grimes Alta Plana Corp, analytical computing & data management
> > Intelligent Enterprise (TechWeb), Contributing Editor
> > grimes@...<mailto:grimes%40altaplana.com> http://altaplana.com +1
301-270-0795
> >
> >
>
> --
> Seth Grimes   Alta Plana Corp, analytical computing & data management
>                  Intelligent Enterprise (TechWeb), Contributing Editor
> grimes@...          http://altaplana.com    +1 301-270-0795
>

I've just posted a blog article, CEP + BI = Real-Time Event Analytics,
http://www.intelligententerprise.com/blog/archives/2009/09/cep_bi_realtime.html
.

In keeping with recent list discussion: It's not technical and it's not
based on first-hand experience with tools.  It's industry
analyst-journalist work.

 					 Seth



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At the business meeting of the 4th Event Processing Symposium, Bryan Connell
likened the EPTS website to the site of a dead society. I could not agree more.
When you visit the EPTS site, you just don�ft get the feeling that this is the
site promoting CEP �gthe next big thing�h. You will find EPTS related news,
conferences presentations and papers on Opher�fs blog but not on the EPTS site.
DEBS 09 material is not there and I am not sure if the 5th Symposium material
will be.
Raising awareness about CEP is the main objective behind the creation EPTS. EPTS
has done an excellent job in this regard but the site does not reflect that!!
Fortunately, the situation is likely to change. At the recent EPTS symposium, a
special working group for coordinating promotion activities was proposed. If
approved, the new group will promote the EPTS brand and awareness to its
activities using website, webinars, white papers, press releases, participating
in various conferences and more. That is very promising.
Finally, I take the chance to promote our CEP promotion portal
http://cep-jp.org/contents/CEPJP, CEP-JP is updated on weekly bases with
everything related to CEP. We are still not getting the traffic we expect.
Please check it out and see if it is worth a link in your site.
I have been thinking about the dying EPTS website for a while but a recent
comment by Paul Vincent on Tibco�fs blog prompted me to come out.
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Enhancement of traditional BPM through novel combinations of Service Oriented
Architectures (SOA), Event Driven Architectures (EDA), Software as a
Service (SaaS), Business Activity Monitoring (BAM) and the Processing of Complex
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solutions, summarize standard best practices in event management, and
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has been little understanding of service impact beyond event severity and
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dependency
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I am researching in the area of intersection between SOA, CEP and EDA. My angle
is development of reference model, reference architecture and best practices. My
question is - are there any credible EDA reference models in existence?

I note inconsistency in basic definitions - for example
EVENT:
- anything that happens, or is contemplated as happening (EPTS)
- significant change of state (CIT)
(I prefer the second one)

Appreciate any insight, Thanks, David (CBDI)

Hi David,
actually we distingish reference models and architectures for
- EDA
- CEP
- Event-Driven BPM

On the blog of Opher Etzion
http://epthinking.blogspot.com/2009/11/on-event-driven-architecture-book.html

you find reviews of some recent publications/books on that.

Also our next edBPM expert meeting will discuss reference models and
architectures and if you like you can get some download links regarding
papers/presentations:
www.citt-online.com/downloads/9th-edBPM-ExpertMeeting-agenda.doc

Best
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Hi Rainer, That's helpful thanks. I can understand why you would distinguish
between them (CEP, EDA etc) but I would hope there are common meta concepts. I
mentioned EVENT for example, where I see inconsistency.

How authoritative is EPTS I wonder? While they have a glossary, if it is not
backed up by a meta model and examples it may be immature.

Do you have any insight into the OMG (EMP) activity? I don't see any
submissions, even though the submission date has passed.

Kind Regards, David

--- In CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com, Rainer von Ammon <vonammon@...> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
> actually we distingish reference models and architectures for
> - EDA
> - CEP
> - Event-Driven BPM
>
> On the blog of Opher Etzion
> http://epthinking.blogspot.com/2009/11/on-event-driven-architecture-book.html
>
> you find reviews of some recent publications/books on that.
>
> Also our next edBPM expert meeting will discuss reference models and
> architectures and if you like you can get some download links regarding
> papers/presentations:
> www.citt-online.com/downloads/9th-edBPM-ExpertMeeting-agenda.doc
>
> Best
> -Rainer
>
> --
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Hi David,
EPTS is surely the only organisation which tries to bring together all
the event-driven guys of this planet.
We have some working groups there and one is dealing with reference
architectures. 4 years ago we gathered all the suggestions of CEP
reference models of the vendors like IBM, Oracle, Progress/Apama,
Streambase, TIBCO, Coral8 (now Aleri) etc. and in the following we tried
to find a meta model of what a reference model actually is and what is a
reference architecture etc. If you would like to join and contribute to
this working group, you would be very welcome.

There was also a working group for meta models, but since some months it
was suggested to merge this group with the reference architecture group
in order to generate more power and interest. So far, there are no meta
models in this field. Here is what the group wanted to do:

"Relevant UML metamodels already exist for some EP content. These
include OMG standards like UML Event, UML Class (for eventObjects), UML
State (for explicit state modeling), UML Activity Diagram (for
orchestrated behaviors), UML PRR (for rule-driven behaviors), UML OCL
(for constraints that may map to query expressions).

Another type of metamodel is that of BPMN and BPDM, with the former
being widely used and the latter providing a semantic basis for the
former. BPMN 2.0 is likely to include more event processing features
without necessarily handling all event processing types. In this respect
BPMN can be considered an alternative behavior orchestration model like
UML Activity (Diagram).

Future work is focusing on AMP Agent Metamodel and Profile - covering
roles and types of agents (for Event Processing Agents), and maybe EMP
Event Metamodel and Profile. Also there is a proposed RFP on Case
Management (c.f. event-driven case-managed BPM) and potentially Decision
Models."

Here is a slide what we will discuss at the end of the frist day (Dec 7)
of the 9th edBPM expert meeting:



We are presently preparing the slides for the mentioned
workshops/meetings and if you are interested in a draft version of the
presentation, I will send you the download link.
Some weeks ago we asked about EMP/OMG and it was still unclear. But we
will check for our events anyway. And perhaps some of our colleagues
like Paul Vincent (CTO TIBCO) or Opher Etzion (IBM HRL/EPTS chair) will
comment your question.

I believe that we urgently need budget for projects, otherwise some of
the working groups might asleep because nobody is able to spend so much
time and effort unpaid. In the meantime we prepared some project
proposals for the 7th Framework Program ICT of the EU and we are
preparing another one for edBPM curriculum of a course of study. One of
the modules will deal with reference models and architectures etc.,
perhaps you are interested?

Cheers,
-rainer


dscbdi schrieb:
>
> Hi Rainer, That's helpful thanks. I can understand why you would
> distinguish between them (CEP, EDA etc) but I would hope there are
> common meta concepts. I mentioned EVENT for example, where I see
> inconsistency.
>
> How authoritative is EPTS I wonder? While they have a glossary, if it
> is not backed up by a meta model and examples it may be immature.
>
> Do you have any insight into the OMG (EMP) activity? I don't see any
> submissions, even though the submission date has passed.
>
> Kind Regards, David
>
> --- In CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:CEP-Interest%40yahoogroups.com>, Rainer von Ammon
> <vonammon@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi David,
> > actually we distingish reference models and architectures for
> > - EDA
> > - CEP
> > - Event-Driven BPM
> >
> > On the blog of Opher Etzion
> >
> http://epthinking.blogspot.com/2009/11/on-event-driven-architecture-book.html
>
<http://epthinking.blogspot.com/2009/11/on-event-driven-architecture-book.html>
>
> >
> > you find reviews of some recent publications/books on that.
> >
> > Also our next edBPM expert meeting will discuss reference models and
> > architectures and if you like you can get some download links regarding
> > papers/presentations:
> > www.citt-online.com/downloads/9th-edBPM-ExpertMeeting-agenda.doc
> >
> > Best
> > -Rainer
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Rainer von Ammon
> > Centrum f�r Informations-Technologie Transfer GmbH
> > Konrad-Adenauerallee 30
> > D-93051 Regensburg
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> > Handelsregister Regensburg
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> > Phone: +49 (0)941 8 97 94 72
> > Fax: +49 (0)941 8 97 94 73
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Hi David,
EPTS is surely the only organisation which tries to bring together all the event-driven guys of this planet.
We have some working groups there and one is dealing with reference architectures. 4 years ago we gathered all the suggestions of CEP reference models of the vendors like IBM, Oracle, Progress/Apama, Streambase, TIBCO, Coral8 (now Aleri) etc. and in the following we tried to find a meta model of what a reference model actually is and what is a reference architecture etc. If you would like to join and contribute to this working group, you would be very welcome.

There was also a working group for meta models, but since some months it was suggested to merge this group with the reference architecture group in order to generate more power and interest. So far, there are no meta models in this field. Here is what the group wanted to do:

"Relevant UML metamodels already exist for some EP content. These include OMG standards like UML Event, UML Class (for eventObjects), UML State (for explicit state modeling), UML Activity Diagram (for orchestrated behaviors), UML PRR (for rule-driven behaviors), UML OCL (for constraints that may map to query expressions).

Another type of metamodel is that of BPMN and BPDM, with the former being widely used and the latter providing a semantic basis for the former. BPMN 2.0 is likely to include more event processing features without necessarily handling all event processing types. In this respect BPMN can be considered an alternative behavior orchestration model like UML Activity (Diagram).

Future work is focusing on AMP Agent Metamodel and Profile - covering roles and types of agents (for Event Processing Agents), and maybe EMP Event Metamodel and Profile. Also there is a proposed RFP on Case Management (c.f. event-driven case-managed BPM) and potentially Decision Models."

Here is a slide what we will discuss at the end of the frist day (Dec 7) of the 9th edBPM expert meeting:



We are presently preparing the slides for the mentioned workshops/meetings and if you are interested in a draft version of the presentation, I will send you the download link.
Some weeks ago we asked about EMP/OMG and it was still unclear. But we will check for our events anyway. And perhaps some of our colleagues like Paul Vincent (CTO TIBCO) or Opher Etzion (IBM HRL/EPTS chair) will comment your question.

I believe that we urgently need budget for projects, otherwise some of the working groups might asleep because nobody is able to spend so much time and effort unpaid. In the meantime we prepared some project proposals for the 7th Framework Program ICT of the EU and we are preparing another one for edBPM curriculum of a course of study. One of the modules will deal with reference models and architectures etc., perhaps you are interested?

Cheers,
-rainer


dscbdi schrieb:

Hi Rainer, That's helpful thanks. I can understand why you would distinguish between them (CEP, EDA etc) but I would hope there are common meta concepts. I mentioned EVENT for example, where I see inconsistency.

How authoritative is EPTS I wonder? While they have a glossary, if it is not backed up by a meta model and examples it may be immature.

Do you have any insight into the OMG (EMP) activity? I don't see any submissions, even though the submission date has passed.

Kind Regards, David

--- In CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CEP-Interest%40yahoogroups.com>, Rainer von Ammon <vonammon@...> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
> actually we distingish reference models and architectures for
> - EDA
> - CEP
> - Event-Driven BPM
>
> On the blog of Opher Etzion
> http://epthinking.blogspot.com/2009/11/on-event-driven-architecture-book.html <http://epthinking.blogspot.com/2009/11/on-event-driven-architecture-book.html>
>
> you find reviews of some recent publications/books on that.
>
> Also our next edBPM expert meeting will discuss reference models and
> architectures and if you like you can get some download links regarding
> papers/presentations:
> www.citt-online.com/downloads/9th-edBPM-ExpertMeeting-agenda.doc
>
> Best
> -Rainer
>
> --
> Dr. Rainer von Ammon
> Centrum f�r Informations-Technologie Transfer GmbH
> Konrad-Adenauerallee 30
> D-93051 Regensburg
> Handelsregistereintragung: HR B 9928
> Handelsregister Regensburg
> Umsatzsteueridentifikationsnummer: DE245567586
> Mobile: +49 (0)171 756 4557
> Phone: +49 (0)941 8 97 94 72
> Fax: +49 (0)941 8 97 94 73
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Babak may be referring to http://www.soa-consortium.org/ (an SOA advocacy group,
but not adapting anything).

Or possibly the OASIS SOA RA work at
http://wiki.oasis-open.org/soa-rm/ReferenceArchitecture (but not including OMG).

Or maybe the SoaML effort for SOA modeling at
http://www.omgwiki.org/SoaML/doku.php (but not including CISCO or Sun).

None of the above are particularly focusing on CEP / event patterns or EDA /
asynchronous messages and events...

Cheers

--- In CEP-Interest@yahoogroups.com, Babak behravesh <baabak_behravesh@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi David,
> Event Driven Architecture has a broad use in CEP and SOA�since there is a
close relation exists�among them.�If you�want to develop�this system you have to
be informed in which� level you want to work.
> There are several layers to develop SOA and in each layer there is a need to
have:
> 1.�An architecture regarding to arriving events (EDA) and
> 2.�The ability to�process events timely�(CEP)�in the domain of�architecture
(EDA).
> �
> All layers somhow deal with these three concepts. In addition, some famous
companies work on different parts concerning to their proficiency. It's range
starts from network layers to user interface layers.
> Many other issues are involved like quality parameters which are
Non-functional requirements. They have�to be considered in proposed systems.
e.g, legal and reliability.
> Cisco, HP, Sun Micro systems, OMG, Sparx, and some other companies� have
organized a consortium to develop and adapt the work. It is a very hot and
challenging topic. Indeed it is difficult because many professionals work on it.
> �
> Regards,
> Babak Behravesh
>