Seven Seas Jim takes on �Plague Year�

Space expansion can solve all nanotechnology abuse and accident
problems.

Assuming more than one space colony expanding out in space in
different directions, and assuming one or more has a runaway nano-
assembler problem; well, since the nano-assemblers are confined to
the given spaceship, they won't spread to the other space colonies
since there is 'space' between them.  What's more, space radiation
and the nano-assemblers eating on each other will eventually make
that mass harmless as far as any further nano-assemblers continueing
to run amok.  Almost any collision with massive rocky and even ice
bodies throughout the universe will result in extermination of the
lunp of runaway nano-assemblers.  Assuming that maybe general space
conditions don't finish the job actually leads to how space
expansion of many space colonies overcomes nano-terrorism.

A given space colony with nanotechnologies will have the means to
detect particles of all types really from general atoms and
molecules radio astronomers have been studying for decades now.
They should be able to detect the odd signature of a stray nano-
assembler out in space.  A stray nano-assembler out in space should
raise a few eyebrows anyways; if they don't, it's their fault for
not allowing thinking to occur.  Assuming a given space colony's
intellect hasn't been dimmed by irrationalists to the point of
ignoring outerspace, they have various means of defending oneself
from stray nano-assemblers(possibly nano-terrorism); they can use
nuclear, laser, or an intense radiation shield; or even Utility-fog.

Definding against nano-terrorism(at least from those outside a given
space-colony) has actually been delt with already.  Space colonies
expanding away from one another out in space has one more benefit
for overcoming nanotechnology accidents.  Basically, out in space,
nanotechnological accidents can be almost 100% overcome by making
nano-manufacturing ejectable out into space; if a nano-assembler
gets out of control, then detectors can tell say the rocket that the
nano-manufacturing unit is on to rocket off out in space; from
there, one can nuke, laser it; or, one could have the grey-goo mass
pointed at a local star(whether a nuclear burning star, or a newtron
or black hole!).

Seems to me that space expansion is the only way to make our nano-
future safe as far as I can tell.  I could go on and on about the
other benefits of human expansion out into space like overcoming
human's social propensity for becoming dogmatic which I would think
has been proven throughout human written history as a danger to
humanity . . . since after all, Humanity is the technologically
dependent species.  Out in space, if a given space colony gets
ideologically split, they can split and go their separate ways;
those who are wrong with run into problems with themselves like the
way the Catholic Chrisitan church went through three bloody
revolutions during the dark ages.

#31

From: Bryan Bishop <kanzure@...>
Date: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:23 am
Subject: Re: Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion

kanzure

On Monday 08 September 2008, okerdavid wrote:
>  Seems to me that space expansion is the only way to make our nano-
>  future safe as far as I can tell. I could go on and on about the
>  other benefits of human expansion out into space like overcoming
>  human's social propensity for becoming dogmatic which I would think
>  has been proven throughout human written history as a danger to
>  humanity . . . since after all, Humanity is the technologically
>  dependent species. Out in space, if a given space colony gets
>  ideologically split, they can split and go their separate ways;
>  those who are wrong with run into problems with themselves like the
>  way the Catholic Chrisitan church went through three bloody
>  revolutions during the dark ages.

You might be interested in a few projects aimed towards this, like the
Artemis society or Project Virgle.

http://oscomak.net/
http://google.com/virgle
http://openvirgle.net/
http://heybryan.org/exp.html
http://sugarshot.org/ (joking sightly less than Virgle)

The main reasons for doing it are other than nanotechnological safety
concerns / fearmongering, but that works too. Good luck.

- Bryan
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#32

From: Erin Casson <solidstatefusion@...>
Date: Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:05 pm
Subject: Re: Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion

What do you say to Drexler's idea of a Nano Immune System that permeates all human bodies and the world, and makes sure the dangerous nano does not kill people or hurt people? What are the weaknesses and downsides to this? I could already see two: 1 How do you make sure it works? And 2 Who determines who programs it? What if corrupt tyrannical government people and others try to hack the Immune Nano and use it against citizenzs?

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Bryan Bishop <kanzure@...> wrote:

From: Bryan Bishop <kanzure@...>
Subject: Re: [CRNtalk] Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion
To: CRNtalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 12:23 AM

On Monday 08 September 2008, okerdavid wrote:
> Seems to me that space expansion is the only way to make our nano-
> future safe as far as I can tell. I could go on and on about the
> other benefits of human expansion out into space like overcoming
> human's social propensity for becoming dogmatic which I would think
> has been proven throughout human written history as a danger to
> humanity . . . since after all, Humanity is the technologically
> dependent species. Out in space, if a given space colony gets
> ideologically split, they can split and go their separate ways;
> those who are wrong with run into problems with themselves like the
> way the Catholic Chrisitan church went through three bloody
> revolutions during the dark ages.
You might be interested in a few projects aimed towards this, like the Artemis society or Project Virgle.
http://oscomak.net/
http://google.com/virgle
http://openvirgle.net/
http://heybryan.org/exp.html
http://sugarshot.org/ (joking sightly less than Virgle)
The main reasons for doing it are other than nanotechnological safety concerns / fearmongering, but that works too. Good luck.
- Bryan
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#33

From: r041051 iyer <ramacchandran_r@...>
Date: Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:51 pm
Subject: what is the space expansion

What is the Space Expansion?
What is the theory and chemistry, astronomy behind it?
Can you explain in a lay men word so that a common can also understand?

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#34

From: r041051 iyer <ramacchandran_r@...>
Date: Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:54 pm
Subject: size of nano

Who found nano ?
What is the size of it?
How you arrived that figure?
If you say it is 1/1000000 of an Inch how you calculated?
why can't it be 1/100000000 of an inch?

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#35

From: r041051 iyer <ramacchandran_r@...>
Date: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:20 pm
Subject: Nano in Simple words

What is Nano?
Nano is a small matter,
For instance take Rice, Wheat etc.,
The tiny grain is covered with a HUSK which doesn't allow any rays in side the grain, and as if a womb of a mother it saves the grain and delivers Rice, wheat grain etc., This Rice and wheat is a powder of the soil that had been extracted and fed in to the plant, which is covered by the HUSK. This one we can refer for the Seman of a male. Then after the seed of the Seman of a male is placed in the HUSK, the husk, takes the vibrations from the Planets such as Sun, Moon, Saturn , Mars, Venus,South and North pole, converts in to grain. These molecules are bound by the resin and compressed in to the HUSK.
When we powder them or boil them the resin is being releived and the molecule separates and it attracts air and water from the atmosphere. so that it becomes cooked and fed.
Now from this we can understand that a material, which is tiny, less weight, occupy less space which can be separated, but once separated can not be re fixed can be identified as Nano.
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#36

From: r041051 iyer <ramacchandran_r@...>
Date: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:22 pm
Subject: Nano Mechanism

What is Nano Mechanism?
In an auto mobile, we are fixing a battery and this battery, occupy more place. In the wrist watch we are usinf battery a tiny one. If we increase the power of the batter that the wrist watch has , and store the power that can start a car, it is called nano technology. The battery in wrist watch can not be reused and should be thrown once the charge are exhausted. The same battery can also extract power from solar system and get recharged for some time. When we are using Big engines made of metal, we take them to furnaces, moulding them making gears etc., If the same part is converted in to a CD (Compact Disk) and placed in a car imagine! What a wounderful idea it is!, the cars will not be having big bannets, the space occupys is very less and weight is also reduced! so it gives more milage. If we use atomic energy converted in to electricity and magnetic force, and the power is stored in a CD , that can drive car or truck, the oil is not needed and the Atabs will Vanish, that can not feed terrorism. So this is nano machanism.
Ramachandran

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#37

From: r041051 iyer <ramacchandran_r@...>
Date: Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:25 am
Subject: future of Nano

The Future of Nano power

We will be extracting electricity energy from Atomic power, Store them in a CD, provide a converter to each house, which will covert the power in to usable electrons and feed them to our Electric systems, and activate Fridge, TV, and house hold equipments. There may not be any overhead wiring and vice verse. It is simple as such we may go to a shop that sells electric Cds, ask them to give us a CD for 500 units, 1000 units power stored Cd, insert them in to the converter and run our house hold. This is like a topup card we are using for a cell phone.
There won't be any power cut, no free power to Farmers, no theft of power etc.,

This is how our Technology is going to improve.

--
Ramachandran

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#38

From: "okerdavid" <oker59@...>
Date: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion

okerdavid

--- In CRNtalk@yahoogroups.com, Erin Casson <solidstatefusion@...>
wrote:
>
> What do you say to Drexler's idea of a Nano Immune System that
permeates all human bodies and the world, and makes sure the dangerous
nano does not kill people or hurt people? What are the weaknesses and
downsides to this? I could already see two: 1 How do you make sure it
works? And 2 Who determines who programs it? What if corrupt tyrannical
government people and others try to hack the Immune Nano and use it
against citizenzs?
> �


I'd just like to remakr that I find it curious that nobody from Crn
much less Eric Drexler himself ever bothers to respond to anybody who
points out such problems; i just find it kindof curious; them and Bill
Joy are so quick to argue that scientists are 'mad scientists' out to
take over the world;

#39

From: "okerdavid" <oker59@...>
Date: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion

okerdavid

--- In CRNtalk@yahoogroups.com, Erin Casson <solidstatefusion@...>
wrote:
>
> What do you say to Drexler's idea of a Nano Immune System that
permeates all human bodies and the world, and makes sure the
dangerous nano does not kill people or hurt people? What are the
weaknesses and downsides to this? I could already see two: 1 How do
you make sure it works? And 2 Who determines who programs it? What
if corrupt tyrannical government people and others try to hack the
Immune Nano and use it against citizenzs?
> �

Ope, I'm already back.

In terms of Eric Drexler's idea about auto-immunization defence's, I
seem to recall him and maybe others already feeling pretty
disatisfied with that idea.

In terms of using it in my scheme(I'm the first to think of this as
far as I know), it won't happen; all nano-manufacturing is kept
ejectable; the only nanotechnology throughout the rest of the space-
colony products of nano-manufacturing without any nano-manufacturing
capability on their own; they're not going to do anything; or, you
design them to be so and once again all nano-manufacturing is kept
in an ejectable module.

Dna-nanotechnology could be allowed in the rest of the space colony
though and other soft-nanotechnologies that are bio-degradable.

I'm not sure I want to reply to the terrorits or govenrment gone
wacky part; although, I'm getting some hints in my brain that my
ejectable nano-manufacturing idea can solve that one also!  The
solution maybe many; for instance, nobody will be allowed to open up
the ejectable nano-manufacturing module without a democratic
consent.  That's more or less what I'm thinking; i don't think that
is anywhere close to the last word on that though.

#40

From: "brian wang" <blwang@...>
Date: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:55 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion

bwang_mail

Hi Erin, David

It seems that you are both new to this area.
CRN and Drexler and Lifeboat Foundation have spent years discussing
the risks and helping suggest
various safety protocols (Foresight nanotech safety).

At the Foresight conferences that were held annually and at senior
associate gatherings
there was discussion on all of the various risks and better ways to
handle advanced technology of all kinds.

===
There have been various proposals for defences against bio and nano threats.

http://lifeboat.com/ex/bio.shield

http://lifeboat.com/ex/nano.shield

http://lifeboat.com/ex/space.habitats

===

there will not be perfect safety. There are people now who can start
wars, start nuclear wars, and individuals can kill other people. In
the 20th century 200 million violent deaths.

So there needs to be consideration of differential risks.

There are actions that can be taken to improve safety and provide more
safety margin.

This a long discussion which has been covered a lot and there was not
anything new in what was being posted here so that was why there was
not much response.

There have been extensive CRN writings on the topic of risks and
defences in regards to nanotechnology and bioweapons. The CRN sites
are not responding well now but when I get the time and the site is
responding I will find the relavant writings.

Brian Wang
Director of Research Lifeboat Foundation
Member CRN taskforce

Brian Wang

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:19 PM, okerdavid <oker59@...> wrote:
> --- In CRNtalk@yahoogroups.com, Erin Casson <solidstatefusion@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> What do you say to Drexler's idea of a Nano Immune System that
> permeates all human bodies and the world, and makes sure the dangerous
> nano does not kill people or hurt people? What are the weaknesses and
> downsides to this? I could already see two: 1 How do you make sure it
> works? And 2 Who determines who programs it? What if corrupt tyrannical
> government people and others try to hack the Immune Nano and use it
> against citizenzs?
>>
>
> I'd just like to remakr that I find it curious that nobody from Crn
> much less Eric Drexler himself ever bothers to respond to anybody who
> points out such problems; i just find it kindof curious; them and Bill
> Joy are so quick to argue that scientists are 'mad scientists' out to
> take over the world;
>
>

#41

From: "brian wang" <blwang@...>
Date: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:19 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion

bwang_mail

http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.html?main=/articles/art0653.html

nano immune system discussed in the kurzweil essay.

In general the hijacking of a nanoimmune system is similar problem to
keeping control of a computer system now or keeping command and
control of weapons.

Also, the fact that something can be hijacked does not mean not building it.

It is like not installing computer virus protection. Your computer can
still be turned into a zombie and not having protection is worse than
having flawed protection.

People can always kill you some other way than with your own defense.

Brian Wang

#42

From: Erin Casson <solidstatefusion@...>
Date: Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:48 am
Subject: Re: Re: Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion

Cool, thank you Brian for the information, it will take me some time to digest it. I know this is not exactly nano as we know it, but I have speculated and wondered, will there be a technology deeper and more powerful than nano, in which subatomic waves and particles are directly manipulated, like nano manipulates atoms and molecules? If the answer is yes, perhaps we could have some sort of energetic system that allows us to protect against nano weapons, like an electrostatic shield of some form. I dont know but its worth a try.

Erin

--- On Thu, 9/11/08, brian wang <blwang@...> wrote:

From: brian wang <blwang@...>
Subject: Re: [CRNtalk] Re: Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion
To: CRNtalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 5:19 PM

http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.html?main=/articles/art0653.html
nano immune system discussed in the kurzweil essay.
In general the hijacking of a nanoimmune system is similar problem to
keeping control of a computer system now or keeping command and
control of weapons.
Also, the fact that something can be hijacked does not mean not building it.
It is like not installing computer virus protection. Your computer can
still be turned into a zombie and not having protection is worse than
having flawed protection.
People can always kill you some other way than with your own defense.
Brian Wang
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#43

From: "brian wang" <blwang@...>
Date: Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:08 am
Subject: Re: Re: Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion

bwang_mail

nanotechnology (and advanced technology) for military purposes is not
just about tiny nanobots as weapons or nanobio weapons.

I wrote an article that is we have advanced nano then we have powerful
space access and travel capabilities.

There are many ways to have really good space capabilities with strong nanotech.

You can have this even without nanotech. Again many ways.

What that means is that whoever has that capability (country or group)
can make powerful kinetic weapons.
Kinetic weapons more powerful than nuclear bombs and tougher to defend against.

Think steering a dinosaur extinction asteroid.
But if you went deep into the Kuiper belt or Oort comet cloud and had
metamaterials you could make your spaceship and your big rocks
invisible.

Invisible extinction event rocks.

Magnetic fields would not mean squat for defence against it.

Offense is stronger than defense. That is why you have to spread out
in space and have the ability to be mobile.

http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.html?main=/articles/art0672.html

Brian Wang

#44

From: "okerdavid" <oker59@...>
Date: Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:19 pm
Subject: Re: Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion

okerdavid

Is this what your looking for?

http://www.physorg.com/news140348666.html

#45

From: Erin Casson <solidstatefusion@...>
Date: Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:30 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion

YES! That is EXACTLY The sort of stuff I was referring to. Thank you. Mechanosynthesis, ofcourse, is rooted on fundamental knowledge of chemistry that we possess now. The other stuff is more uncertain, the "beyond nanotech technologies".

I read a good article in a book I have about nanofactories, written by Mike Treader.

--- On Fri, 9/12/08, okerdavid <oker59@...> wrote:

From: okerdavid <oker59@...>
Subject: [CRNtalk] Re: Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion
To: CRNtalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 1:19 PM

Is this what your looking for?
http://www.physorg.com/news140348666.html
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#46

From: "okerdavid" <oker59@...>
Date: Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:36 pm
Subject: Re: Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion

okerdavid

Actually, this might be more like what your looking for!

http://www.physorg.com/news140438326.html

#47

From: "okerdavid" <oker59@...>
Date: Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:44 pm
Subject: Nano-independence as the solution to the privacy problem

okerdavid

Looks like there is no real objection to my solution to nano-accidents;
in light of the recent Lhc hacking, I've come to see that my space
colony ejectable nano-manufacturing solves the early foresight
societies worries about privacy.

If you've got more than one group of people in their own space colony
using their own developed nanotechnologies, then because they are not
standardized with respect to one another . . . well, it's like two
different languages; they can kind of translate, but not really; and,
in the computer world, when you don't have every colon, dot, hyphen and
so on readable to a computer, the computer program doesn't work.

And oh yes, two space colonies going their separate ways . . . more
privacy!  The wonders an open and rigorous mind can do;

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#48

From: Erin Casson <solidstatefusion@...>
Date: Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:03 pm
Subject: IMPORTANT NEWS FOR ALL CRN READERS!

Hello everyone. I dont know if you have read it but there is a new set of books out: Plague Year and Plague War.

The plot of these books is about medical nanotechnology that goes wild, and starts destroying the Earth.

They are written by a man named Jeff Carlson, he is a better writer on this topic than Michael Crichton with his anti nano propaganda book "Prey"

The thing that bothers me about the Plague books is that they appear to strike fear about nanotech in people. carlson himself wants good nanotech for people, as do I, and he is a talented
author.

The books are about to be made into a feature film, I just found out.

My question: Will such "scary Nano" books and movies frighten POLICY MAKERS and CITIZENS against GOOD Nanotech like NanoFactories, or not?

Seven Seas Jim takes on �Plague Year�

Feature version of Carlson's sci fi thriller planned

Jim McNally of Seven Seas Jim is producing a feature version of Jeff Carlson�s high concept thriller �Plague Year.�

The novel, which is currently the lead hard cover from European publisher Minotauro in Spain and has also seen major releases in North America and in Germany , is about a medical nanotechnology that breaks loose and devours all warm-blooded life below 10,000 feet elevation.

�Plague Year� is the first of a planned trilogy published by Ace/Penguin in the U.S. and Canada . �Plague Year� was released last summer and its sequel, �Plague War,� appeared this August. Carlson�s other works include more than a dozen short stories such as the award-winning novelette �The Frozen Sky� and an upcoming adventure novel in collaboration with New York Times bestselling author David Brin.

Of �Plague Year,� McNally said, �It�s the unusual concept that spoke to me first, but ultimately the characters in this story are who really grabbed me�their grit and their resourcefulness in the face of ever-mounting odds.�

Film rights were secured via Vince Gerardis of the Created By Agency in a �nice� option against a mid-six figure pickup.

Jim McNally was vice president at LifeSize Entertainment, an international sales company and domestic distributor of over 50 specialty titles such as Academy Award Nominee "Zus and Zo," Spirit Award Nominee "Oasis," Kim Ki Duk's "Time" and Venice film festival award winner "Khadak." McNally is also the producer and editor of the feature films "Sleepover" and "Fear House." He envisions "Plague Year" as a post-apocalyptic summer blockbuster.

Readers can find free excerpts of both novels at Carlson's web site at www.jverse.com along with tour dates, blog, videos, contests, and more.

#49

From: Erin Casson <solidstatefusion@...>
Date: Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT NEWS FOR ALL CRN READERS!

I read the books by the way, ofcourse. The designers of them (Actually a Bio Nano mix) make it so they have these "hyper baric fuses" that make it so they cannot survive in high pressure enviroments and above 10 000 feet above sea level.

--- On Fri, 9/19/08, Erin Casson <solidstatefusion@...> wrote:

From: Erin Casson <solidstatefusion@...>
Subject: [CRNtalk] IMPORTANT NEWS FOR ALL CRN READERS!
To: CRNtalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 10:03 AM

Hello everyone. I dont know if you have read it but there is a new set of books out: Plague Year and Plague War.

The plot of these books is about medical nanotechnology that goes wild, and starts destroying the Earth.

They are written by a man named Jeff Carlson, he is a better writer on this topic than Michael Crichton with his anti nano propaganda book "Prey"

The thing that bothers me about the Plague books is that they appear to strike fear about nanotech in people. carlson himself wants good nanotech for people, as do I, and he is a talented
author.

The books are about to be made into a feature film, I just found out.

My question: Will such "scary Nano" books and movies frighten POLICY MAKERS and CITIZENS against GOOD Nanotech like NanoFactories, or not?

Seven Seas Jim takes on �Plague Year�

Feature version of Carlson's sci fi thriller planned

Jim McNally of Seven Seas Jim is producing a feature version of Jeff Carlson�s high concept thriller �Plague Year.�

Film rights were secured via Vince Gerardis of the Created By Agency in a �nice� option against a mid-six figure pickup.

Readers can find free excerpts of both novels at Carlson's web site at www.jverse.com along with tour dates, blog, videos, contests, and more.

#50

From: r041051 iyer <ramacchandran_r@...>
Date: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:32 pm
Subject: Re: Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion

to find a small battery that is the size of a CD which can pack high power to start a car. This you can do with the association of battery manufacturers The technology if improved you can insert in the form of CD there by reducing weight and you can replace the CD once in three to Six months. How to make this Battery?
Here is the way.
Take thinnest copper wire may be 1/100 of an inch or lesser if you can, put it in a coil shape in a 10 inch dia vessel with the inner capacity of 10 inch. pour and fill with cow's milk with borax and hypo Close it with an airtight lid. Put it in a box, bigger than this vessel. and again put another vessel and make it a seven fold. Then remove the air from all the vessel starting from the outter one and reach finally inside the vessel where copper wire mesh is kept. By creating Vacuum , you are removing the ether and magnetic force from the vessel and the copper wire stores only electrons -ve charges only. This negative charge in the wire is bound with casein, and the milk will turn acidity which will boost the electron and the precipitated milk will bind the electron with the copper and the power is compressed. After storing this power keep in the same position for couple of hours then remove the vessel contains copper wire mesh. Here we can use other metals instead of milk but milk is safer. This is the system that the leaves of certain tree produces oxygen and electron.
Then insert this in a converter that activates this electron.
Hope you understand.
This is Nano technology
Need more information?

--- On Wed, 10/9/08, Erin Casson <solidstatefusion@...> wrote:

From: Erin Casson <solidstatefusion@...>
Subject: Re: [CRNtalk] Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion
To: CRNtalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 10 September, 2008, 7:35 PM
What do you say to Drexler's idea of a Nano Immune System that permeates all human bodies and the world, and makes sure the dangerous nano does not kill people or hurt people? What are the weaknesses and downsides to this? I could already see two: 1 How do you make sure it works? And 2 Who determines who programs it? What if corrupt tyrannical government people and others try to hack the Immune Nano and use it against citizenzs?

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Bryan Bishop <kanzure@gmail. com> wrote:
From: Bryan Bishop <kanzure@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [CRNtalk] Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion
To: CRNtalk@yahoogroups .com
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 12:23 AM
On Monday 08 September 2008, okerdavid wrote:
>  Seems to me that space expansion is the only way to make our nano-
>  future safe as far as I can tell. I could go on and on about the
>  other benefits of human expansion out into space like overcoming
>  human's social propensity for becoming dogmatic which I would think
>  has been proven throughout human written history as a danger to
>  humanity . . . since after all, Humanity is the technologically
>  dependent species. Out in space, if a given space colony gets
>  ideologically split, they can split and go their separate ways;
>  those who are wrong with run into problems with
 themselves like the
>  way the Catholic Chrisitan church went through three bloody
>  revolutions during the dark ages.

You might be interested in a few projects aimed towards this, like the 
Artemis society or Project Virgle.

http://oscomak. net/
http://google. com/virgle
http://openvirgle. net/
http://heybryan. org/exp.html
http://sugarshot. org/ (joking sightly less than Virgle)

The main reasons for doing it are other than nanotechnological safety 
concerns / fearmongering, but that works too. Good luck.

- Bryan
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#51

From: r041051 iyer <ramacchandran_r@...>
Date: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:37 pm
Subject: Nano power

Nano power!

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#52

From: ramesh p <prameshdpi@...>
Date: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: future of Nano

prameshdpi

Yes,i want to communicate about our subject related.

Ramesh P

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#53

From: r041051 iyer <ramacchandran_r@...>
Date: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:10 pm
Subject: nano battery

If I get a chance to do this research I will do that.
In this Connection I posted an article with

www.nanoforum.org

I request all members to rtegister in that Website, read my post and post your sugessions.

I can make a Nano battery if I get a Chance through Nano maths and nano technology. This I quoted here..
Please visit this web and post your reply

Regards
Ramachandran
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From: ramesh p <prameshdpi@...>
Subject: Re: [CRNtalk] future of Nano
To: CRNtalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 24 September, 2008, 7:06 PM

Yes,i want to communicate about our subject related..

Ramesh P

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To: CRNtalk@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Wednesday, 10 September, 2008 11:25:44 PM
Subject: [CRNtalk] future of Nano

The Future of Nano power

We will be extracting electricity energy from Atomic power, Store them in a CD, provide a converter to each house, which will covert the power in to usable electrons and feed them to our Electric systems, and activate Fridge, TV, and house hold equipments. There may not be any overhead wiring and vice verse. It is simple as such we may go to a shop that sells electric Cds, ask them to give us a CD for 500 units, 1000 units power stored Cd, insert them in to the converter and run our house hold. This is like a topup card we are using for a cell phone.
There won't be any power cut, no free power to Farmers, no theft of power etc.,

This is how our Technology is going to improve.

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#54

From: "Erica A Ramsey" <erica.ramsey2000@...>
Date: Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:39 am
Subject: Non-Natural Assemblers

erica.ramsey...

Hi,

why is it that nano assemblers use DNA type chemical assemblers? Is it
not possible to create a nano assembler that does not use natural-dna-
type assembly? How would one go about creating a total non-biological
type nano assembler using only some kind of electronic means?

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#55

From: Erin Casson <solidstatefusion@...>
Date: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:57 pm
Subject: Re: Non-Natural Assemblers

You can use mechanosynthesis using "dry" reactions or "semi wet" reactions, such as diamondoid, fullerene, or silicates of some sort, or, you can also try to use an electrical pathway, such as controlled electrostatic fields of force.

--- On Sun, 9/28/08, Erica A Ramsey <erica.ramsey2000@...> wrote:

From: Erica A Ramsey <erica.ramsey2000@...>
Subject: [CRNtalk] Non-Natural Assemblers
To: CRNtalk@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 10:39 PM

Hi,
why is it that nano assemblers use DNA type chemical assemblers? Is it not possible to create a nano assembler that does not use natural-dna-
type assembly? How would one go about creating a total non-biological type nano assembler using only some kind of electronic means? ------------------------------------
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#56

From: "aadilqau" <aadilqau@...>
Date: Sun Oct 5, 2008 9:09 pm
Subject: Lab on a Chip

aadilqau

My name is aadil and I am doing MSC in Nanoelectronics and
Nanomechanics at the University of Sheffield, UK. Here I am intrested
to work on the topic ''LAB ON A CHIP''. As I am fresh student to this
emerging field and I have to write scientific essay on this topic, I
am hoping you people will help me about knowing this particular topic
''LAB ON A CHIP''. If some of you have material on this topic, please
do share with me.
Regards,

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#57

From: ramesh p <prameshdpi@...>
Date: Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:20 am
Subject: Re: Lab on a Chip

prameshdpi

I am doing M.SC-Nanoscience and Technology at Bharathiar University in Coimbathore.My topic is "Nanobio" related.As i have to do six months project in that field,if u know please tell me, Where can i get such type of project.If i get any material about "lab on a chip" i will send u.

From: aadilqau <aadilqau@...>
To: CRNtalk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 5 October, 2008 9:09:19 AM
Subject: [CRNtalk] Lab on a Chip

My name is aadil and I am doing MSC in Nanoelectronics and
Nanomechanics at the University of Sheffield, UK. Here I am intrested
to work on the topic ''LAB ON A CHIP''. As I am fresh student to this
emerging field and I have to write scientific essay on this topic, I
am hoping you people will help me about knowing this particular topic
''LAB ON A CHIP''. If some of you have material on this topic, please
do share with me.
Regards,

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#58

From: "Max" <badmaxviii@...>
Date: Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:07 am
Subject: Econimic disruption?

badmaxviii

I'm working on a short presentation for my university communications
class on molecular manufacturing.  I have a very short time to speak
and I'd like to include information that will motivate people to
research this on their own.  I'm hoping to include either the
percentage or number of jobs that could be lost in a worst case
scenario if MM was released completely unregulated.  That is, as far
as jobs focused on manufacturing, transportation, storage, and sales
are concerned - rather then the economic fallout scenario.

Is this data available anywhere?  Or how might I go tracking it down?

Thanks, in advance, for any help.
Max

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#59

From: sisila PRIYANKARA <sisipriyankara@...>
Date: Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:17 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Nanotechnology safety and Human Space expansion

sisipriyankara

Thank you

okerdavid wrote:
>             Actually, this might be more like what your looking for!
>  http://www.physorg. com/news14043832 6..html
>



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