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From: mike
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Sent: 2004Äê5ÔÂ11ÈÕ 15:43
Subject: Re: [Ancient-Mysteries] giants and enigmatic delphi



lets consider the dating of the trojan war. most date it to circa 1500 bce,
but there is reason to doubt this. first, as ive reported before, cayce
indirectly assigned a date of 5500 bce to this event. now herodotus, while
discussing the time of the founding of sparta, tells of using delphi to find the
'bones' of orestes, the son of agamemnon. so the generation after the war were
still giants of 10.5 feet height. the men of circa 800 bce had already thought
giants a fable, since they were about the size of modern men, about 6 feet.
so two points come to mind. could physical man change so drastically in
height in only 700 years? also if the alternative date of 5500 bce is
accepted, could the remains of orestes remain as "bones" for 4700 years? the
soil of arcadia isnt dry, but wet from frequent rains. the bones of well
protected mound builders in ohio turned to dust shortly after exposure to air.
they date these remain to 800-1100 ce. of course many, including myself, have
strong doubts about that dating also.
any thoughts are welcome ...


Regards,
Mike White
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----- Original Message -----
From: mike
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Sent: 2004Äê5ÔÂ10ÈÕ 5:56
Subject: [Ancient-Mysteries] giants and enigmatic delphi



http://classics.mit.edu/Herodotus/history.1.i.html
" Having been worsted in every engagement by their enemy, they sent to
Delphi, and inquired of the oracle what god they must propitiate to prevail in
the war against the Tegeans. The answer of the Pythoness was that before they
could prevail, they must remove to Sparta the bones of Orestes, the son of
Agamemnon. Unable to discover his burial-place, they sent a second time, and
asked the god where the body of the hero had been laid. The following was the
answer they received:-

Level and smooth is the plain where Arcadian Tegea standeth;
There two winds are ever, by strong necessity, blowing,
Counter-stroke answers stroke, and evil lies upon evil.
There all-teeming Earth doth harbour the son of Atrides;
Bring thou him to thy city, and then be Tegea's master. After this reply,
the Lacedaemonians were no nearer discovering the burial-place than before,
though they continued to search for it diligently; until at last a man named
Lichas, one of the Spartans called Agathoergi, found it. The Agathoergi are
citizens who have just served their time among the knights. The five eldest of
the knights go out every year, and are bound during the year after their
discharge to go wherever the State sends them, and actively employ themselves in
its service.

Lichas was one of this body when, partly by good luck, partly by his own
wisdom, he discovered the burial-place. Intercourse between the two States
existing just at this time, he went to Tegea, and, happening to enter into the
workshop of a smith, he saw him forging some iron. As he stood marvelling at
what he beheld, he was observed by the smith who, leaving off his work, went up
to him and said,

"Certainly, then, you Spartan stranger, you would have been wonderfully
surprised if you had seen what I have, since you make a marvel even of the
working in iron. I wanted to make myself a well in this room, and began to dig
it, when what think you? I came upon a coffin seven cubits long. I had never
believed that men were taller in the olden times than they are now, so I opened
the coffin. The body inside was of the same length: I measured it, and filled up
the hole again."

Such was the man's account of what he had seen. The other, on turning the
matter over in his mind, conjectured that this was the body of Orestes, of which
the oracle had spoken. He guessed so, because he observed that the smithy had
two bellows, which he understood to be the two winds, and the hammer and anvil
would do for the stroke and the counterstroke, and the iron that was being
wrought for the evil lying upon evil. This he imagined might be so because iron
had been discovered to the hurt of man. Full of these conjectures, he sped back
to Sparta and laid the whole matter before his countrymen. Soon after, by a
concerted plan, they brought a charge against him, and began a prosecution.
Lichas betook himself to Tegea, and on his arrival acquainted the smith with his
misfortune, and proposed to rent his room of him. The smith refused for some
time; but at last Lichas persuaded him, and took up his abode in it. Then he
opened the grave, and collecting the bones, returned with them to Sparta. From
henceforth, whenever the Spartans and the Tegeans made trial of each other's
skill in arms, the Spartans always had greatly the advantage; and by the time to
which we are now come they were masters of most of the Peloponnese. "


Regards,
Mike White
http://all-ez.com
http://all-ez.com/yahoo-groups.htm




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