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A good working example for SIMPL vs SIMPL+ comparison, or am I just   Message List  
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Re: A good working example for SIMPL vs SIMPL+ comparison, or am I just a moron?

Nice history lesson there. It's amazing where we've ended up, pretty
much with the best of both worlds.

But, SystemBuilder has me frightened a little bit. Perhpas it's the
next 'best of both worlds' thing. I hope not...but it still looks
like that's where it's headed.


>
> However, that is the way it was originally touted and was aimed at
> Panja programmers (that's what they were then, even if the didn't
like
> it) who didn't get the idea of a symbolic language.
>
> In the press release of June 11, 1998 "Crestron introduces new
> generation of control system software"
> http://www.crestron.com/press_room/press_releases/show_release.asp?
press_release_id=187
>
>
> ".... SIMPL Windows features the revolutionary new SmarTouch Wizard
> module for set up of Crestron SmarTouch systems - no "real
> programming" required. Another feature, the SIMPL+ module, provides
a
> "C-like" programming interface for programmers more familiar with
> programming another manufacturer's systems. The learning curve, if
> any, is minimal. Familiarity with the programming format is no
longer
> an issue, Crestron offers the best of both worlds."
>
> "Thanks to Crestron's SIMPL Windows, control system programming has
> entered a whole new generation. SIMPL Windows is available in full
> release for Crestron dealers. SIMPL Windows is the only software of
> its kind - only from Crestron."
>
> When I was at Crestron in April 1996 I got a wisper that they were
> working on a drag and drop version SMPL, so it was a while in the
making.
>
> Lindsay
>
> --- In Crestron@yahoogroups.com, "fooguy89" <fooguy89@> wrote:
> >
> > Not a true statement. There is no way to open the SIMPL+ GUI and
> > write a program exclusively in there without ever putting it into
a
> > SIMPL shell. And less you're doing everything with direct sockets
> > (and therefore most likely not Crestron devices) you won't have
access
> > to any Crestron devices or non-ethernet devices.
> >
> > Call it a technicality, the inference being "Oh, you can write all
> > your algorithms in SIMPL+, you know what they meant!" but how many
> > people read statements like that and take it literally.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Crestron@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" <mjrtoo@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Marketing and technical services rarely agree on anything...
> > >
> > > But, it's a true statement, you can....but I wouldn't.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.crestron.com/products/show_products.asp?
> > > type=commercial&cat=1002&subcat=1005&id=226
> > > >
> > > > [quote]
> > > > The most exciting part is that you don't have to choose
between
> SIMPL
> > > > and SIMPL+ when writing a program. Instead, you combine the
two,
> using
> > > > SIMPL+ for the parts of the program you think benefit from
it. Of
> > > > course, if you prefer to use SIMPL+ exclusively, you can do
that as
> > > well.
> > > > [/quote]
> > > >
> > > > Stumbled upon this. Thought it was interesting.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>





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However, that is the way it was originally touted and was aimed at Panja programmers (that's what they were then, even if the didn't like it) who didn't get...
Lindsay
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Jan 13, 2009
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Nice history lesson there. It's amazing where we've ended up, pretty much with the best of both worlds. But, SystemBuilder has me frightened a little bit....
Matt
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Jan 13, 2009
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Years ago, I recall one better known Crestron employee stating something to the effect of 'one day soon, SystemBuilder will replace all you programmers'....
Steve Kaudle
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I am working on a fairly large system in Park City, UT right now. The air here is really dry and I shock everything I touch with static electricity, including...
Jon Waldrip
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Jan 13, 2009
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Could you try one of these? http://tinyurl.com/6uqg5l Sorry... couldnt resist And then seriously, try keeping a box of dryer sheets handy, keep one wadded up...
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Jan 13, 2009
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Actually, something that might work, carry a short metal pole around with you, lean it against the wall where you are working and then discharge into it before...
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Man, I miss Park City. With respect to the answers you've already received, how are you expected to keep the clients from zapping out the equipment?...
Phil Bridges
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Jan 13, 2009
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How many of you have experienced equipment loss from static electricity? Personally, I have never had that happen. It's pretty dry in Minnesota in the winter...
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I haven't actually lost anything due to static that I know of. And I've zapped some things pretty hard. Some equipment has rebooted sure, but never dead. I...
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We had a client with a Niles multiroom audio system that would completely reboot whenever one particular user tried to touch a keypad. It was definitely static...
Michael Bond
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Thanks for the answers guys. I guess I will just hope for the best. Thanks, Jon From: Crestron@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Crestron@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of...
Jon Waldrip
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I have an install with 40+ TPS-2000s in a building that despite significant restoration lacks any form of humidification (last I heard it was an 'oversight'...
Lincoln King-Cliby
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Jan 13, 2009
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Welcome to the west in winter. I'm shocking stuff all the time, sometimes even painfully so. The only negative experience I've had in 15 or so years of being ...
Heath Volmer
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I gotta say, just from the description, that sounds pretty entertaining. :) (Somebody call TBS to make sure) - Chip...
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I was working in a newly carpeted media room yesterday... everything I touched sparked, all day. It was the same when we built the rack and installed the ...
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Egads. Were there ever cases of un-grounded people accidentally setting off charges with static? - Chip ... aerospace ... wrist to...
Chip Moody
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Not that I'm aware of... takes some getting used to I'll tell ya tho. The fun part was watching the high-speed video of the tests when we blew something up. ...
Rick Ciaccio
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Guys (and any girls), When the first architectural lighting control systems were coming out, we had terrible issues with static. Since then the manufacturers...
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... needed ... to ... Ooh. ESD. Favorite subject. When you apply friction to an insulator material and there isn't any way to neutralize the charge, the...
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... We did a large system in Snowmass Village, CO with 18 TPMC-8L and 8X, a number of Cameo 2 keypads, PRO2, PAC2, CAEN cabinets and modules, BIPAD8s,...
focusontheworldd
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Jan 13, 2009
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I think you don't need the OR or the AND, but just a BUFFER for each digital in you want to test. Your EQU was fine: IN# [1] -> OUT1 [2] -> OUT2 [3] -> OUT3......
Brett Vitaz
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[snip] ... I believe it was Lincoln (pardon me if I am wrong) that recently said (paraphrased from memory) "all new Crestron programmers should learn how to...
Joseph K. Vossen
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Jan 6, 2009
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Seconded ... programmer finds needs, start bringing in the S+. ... memory)...
Brett Vitaz
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To do a checksum calculation like A ^ B in S+ is one line, and in Simpl it might consist of (2) ATOD's, (16) XOR's, (1) DTOA. (and (1) DivMod if you want high...
Matt
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Funny you should mention it... I have a project (or rather a change order) on the horizon that will require me to implement one of the two options you listed...
Lincoln King-Cliby
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Jan 7, 2009
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Come on Lincoln, this is the very thing that S+ is good for. Taking a string, doing some work on it and spitting it out. Perhaps if it was something that was...
Lindsay
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I guess that's the point that I left out for the purposes of my example: What I need to generate a checksum off of is a frequently (though not continuously)...
Lincoln King-Cliby
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... example: What I need to generate a checksum off of is a frequently (though not continuously) changing analog that gets dropped in the middle of a static...
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