--- In DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com, John Scharf <johnlloydscharf@...> wrote:
>
>
>  Likely there is a conversion factor involved for that database, so you should
contact them to find out what it is.

That's the term I was looking for...'conversion factor". I will contact them,
and thanks for replying John.

Randy
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: modranny9 <ranny9@...>
> To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:55:08 AM
> Subject: [DNA-Testing] Uploading old info to ySearch
>
>  
> Yesterday I uploaded a male cousins 12marker sequence (Genographic Project) to
ySearch. I was not able to enter one of the values because it was not available
in the drop down. In the following table it is the value with quote marks. Is it
because the test was done 4 years ago, August 2005? He's not interested at this
time in persuing this any farther
>
> He is Hap group R1b (M343)
>
> 393 13
> 19 14
> 391 11
> 439 14
> 389-1 13
> "389-2 16"
> 388 12
> 390 24
> 426 12
> 385a 11
> 385b 15
> 392 13
>
> Randy
>

Randy,
I'd need to check the research paper, but your cousin might be related to the
find remains at Ergolding (Bavaria, Germany).  Dated to 670CE, they were used to
test an extraction menthod ... two brothers and a cousin were R1b with six
matches (ones I use in my research) to your cousin ... the researcher recovered
23-24 loci

--- In DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com, John Scharf <johnlloydscharf@...> wrote:
>
>
>  Likely there is a conversion factor involved for that database, so you should
contact them to find out what it is.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: modranny9 <ranny9@...>
> To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:55:08 AM
> Subject: [DNA-Testing] Uploading old info to ySearch
>
>  
> Yesterday I uploaded a male cousins 12marker sequence (Genographic Project) to
ySearch. I was not able to enter one of the values because it was not available
in the drop down. In the following table it is the value with quote marks. Is it
because the test was done 4 years ago, August 2005? He's not interested at this
time in persuing this any farther
>
> He is Hap group R1b (M343)
>
> 393 13
> 19 14
> 391 11
> 439 14
> 389-1 13
> "389-2 16"
> 388 12
> 390 24
> 426 12
> 385a 11
> 385b 15
> 392 13
>
> Randy
>

Randy,

This is Ergolding numbers comparison.  Your numbers are on the right (first
three numbers on left are R1b last two are G:
DYS389 I 13 13 13 13 12 12                  389-1 13
DYS390 23 23 23 24 – -                      390 24
DYS389 II – 29 – 29 29 29"                  "389-2 16"
DYS19 – 14 14 – 14, 15 –                     19 14
DYS385 11, 14 11, 14 11, 14 11, 14 - 15     385a 11 385b 15
DYS393 13 13 13 13 14 13                    393 13
DYS391 10 10 10 11 – 10                     391 11
DYS439 – – 12 12 11 –                       439 14
DYS392 13 13 13 13 11 11                    392 13
DYS388 12 12 12 – 13 12                     388 12
DYS426 12 12 12 12 11 11                    426 12

The 439 has no match ... and one off on 391 & 385b ... you mentioned the
conversion needed on 389II ...

If you are interested, your cousin might have kin at the Sinclair Group.  I
mentioned you to Shawn Sinclair.

Shawn and I are doing our second "The Hidden Mystery Hour" podcast this Sunday
-- if you register, you can LIVE CHAT questions while we are one air. Just do
the registration bit at:
  http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Sofiatemplar

That registration/listen in thing is also an open invitation to any one else in
group who might be interested


--- In DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com, "bill_lipton" <bill_lipton@...> wrote:
>
> Randy,
> I'd need to check the research paper, but your cousin might be related to the
find remains at Ergolding (Bavaria, Germany).  Dated to 670CE, they were used to
test an extraction menthod ... two brothers and a cousin were R1b with six
matches (ones I use in my research) to your cousin ... the researcher recovered
23-24 loci
>
> --- In DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com, John Scharf <johnlloydscharf@> wrote:
> >  Likely there is a conversion factor involved for that database, so you
should contact them to find out what it is.
> > ________________________________
> > From: modranny9 <ranny9@>
> > To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:55:08 AM
> > Subject: [DNA-Testing] Uploading old info to ySearch
>

--- In DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com, "bill_lipton" <bill_lipton@...> wrote:
>
> Randy,
>
> This is Ergolding numbers comparison.  Your numbers are on the right (first
three numbers on left are R1b last two are G:
> DYS389 I 13 13 13 13 12 12                  389-1 13
> DYS390 23 23 23 24 – -                      390 24
> DYS389 II – 29 – 29 29 29"                  "389-2 16"
> DYS19 – 14 14 – 14, 15 –                     19 14
> DYS385 11, 14 11, 14 11, 14 11, 14 - 15     385a 11 385b 15
> DYS393 13 13 13 13 14 13                    393 13
> DYS391 10 10 10 11 – 10                     391 11
> DYS439 – – 12 12 11 –                       439 14
> DYS392 13 13 13 13 11 11                    392 13
> DYS388 12 12 12 – 13 12                     388 12
> DYS426 12 12 12 12 11 11                    426 12
>
> The 439 has no match ... and one off on 391 & 385b ... you mentioned the
conversion needed on 389II ...

As a lay person (and female), this "stuff" is fascinating!

John, I got an answer to my query to FTDNA about the conversion...389-2 16 is
converted to 389-2 29. I have uploaded the missing number to their site, my
cousin is user D4BN9. Our surname is O'Guin, but we can only go back on paper to
about 1775 North Carolina, USA.

Bill, if you are holding a carrot out to get me to talk my cousin into doing
more testing, you have certainly succeeded!!! I'll let you know what happens.

Randy

Well, the conversion gives another match to the soldiers in Bavarian graves.

Your cousin should join the Sinclair Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SinclairOpenForum/
When he fills in the membership request message, have him say "Shawn, I'm the
Ergolding match Bill mentioned."

I think Shawn is planning to discuss the connection to DANELAW and the NORMAN
CONQUEST this Sunday on his Blog Talk Radio "The Hidden Mystery Hour" --
basically, we should be talking your cousin's kin

--- In DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com, "modranny9" <ranny9@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com, "bill_lipton" <bill_lipton@> wrote:
> >
> > Randy,
> >
> > This is Ergolding numbers comparison.  Your numbers are on the right (first
three numbers on left are R1b last two are G:
> > DYS389 I 13 13 13 13 12 12                  389-1 13
> > DYS390 23 23 23 24 – -                      390 24
> > DYS389 II – 29 – 29 29 29"                  389-2 16(convert 29)
> > DYS19 – 14 14 – 14, 15 –                     19 14
> > DYS385 11, 14 11, 14 11, 14 11, 14 - 15     385a 11 385b 15
> > DYS393 13 13 13 13 14 13                    393 13
> > DYS391 10 10 10 11 – 10                     391 11
> > DYS439 – – 12 12 11 –                       439 14
> > DYS392 13 13 13 13 11 11                    392 13
> > DYS388 12 12 12 – 13 12                     388 12
> > DYS426 12 12 12 12 11 11                    426 12
> >
> > The 439 has no match ... and one off on 391 & 385b ... you mentioned the
conversion needed on 389II ...
>
> As a lay person (and female), this "stuff" is fascinating!
>
> John, I got an answer to my query to FTDNA about the conversion...389-2 16 is
converted to 389-2 29. I have uploaded the missing number to their site, my
cousin is user D4BN9. Our surname is O'Guin, but we can only go back on paper to
about 1775 North Carolina, USA.
>
> Bill, if you are holding a carrot out to get me to talk my cousin into doing
more testing, you have certainly succeeded!!! I'll let you know what happens.
>
> Randy
>

--- In DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com, "bill_lipton" <bill_lipton@...> wrote:
>
> Well, the conversion gives another match to the soldiers in Bavarian graves.
>
> Your cousin should join the Sinclair Group
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SinclairOpenForum/
> When he fills in the membership request message, have him say "Shawn, I'm the
Ergolding match Bill mentioned."

I'll email him soon. We are on different coasts.

> I think Shawn is planning to discuss the connection to DANELAW and the NORMAN
CONQUEST this Sunday on his Blog Talk Radio "The Hidden Mystery Hour" --
basically, we should be talking your cousin's kin

Which ones in particular? He (I'll call him "S") has one half brother (I'll call
him "R")...they share the same father, my uncle. Then there is my brother
(another O'Guin and I'll call him "T"). So S and R and T share a common
grandfather "P" born 1901 died 1973.

Randy

I got my cousin to do an ancestry.com yDNA test for me.
Our great grandfather is somewhat of a mystery to us.

Our great grandfather, when younger, claimed to be born in California and of
Native American nationality, but later in life changed his name and claimed to
have been born in the Yucatan Penisula and his parent being from Spain. We do
know he spoke fluent Spanish.
My male cousin is the direct line of male to male from our great grandfather.

Ok, his results came back as being in the E1b1b. I don't know if posting his
markers will make a differece, but I will post them at the end.
My question is this. Does this basically rule out his earlier claim of American
Indian and make his later statements more close to fact.

Thank you,
Rick
rwe38133

393/13, 19/13, 391/10, 439/12, 389-1/13, 389-2/31, 388/12, 390/23, 426/11,
385a/16, 385b/17, 392/11

----- Original Message -----

From: rwe38133

To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:50 PM

Subject: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question

 

I got my cousin to do an ancestry.com yDNA test for me.
Our great grandfather is somewhat of a mystery to us.

Our great grandfather, when younger, claimed to be born in California and of Native American nationality, but later in life changed his name and claimed to have been born in the Yucatan Penisula and his parent being from Spain. We do know he spoke fluent Spanish.
My male cousin is the direct line of male to male from our great grandfather.

Ok, his results came back as being in the E1b1b. I don't know if posting his markers will make a differece, but I will post them at the end.
My question is this. Does this basically rule out his earlier claim of American Indian and make his later statements more close to fact.

Thank you,
Rick
rwe38133

393/13, 19/13, 391/10, 439/12, 389-1/13, 389-2/31, 388/12, 390/23, 426/11, 385a/16, 385b/17, 392/11

Rick,
Hg-E is associated with North Africa
Reseach papers have these associations to the markers you posted:

Kurd(Moslim)
Arab(Palestinian)
Bedouin
Sephardic(North African)
Ashkenazi
Kurd(Jewish)
Yemen
Sephardic(Israelite)
Anatolia(Istanbul)
Anglo-Saxon(Ashbourne)
Arab(Highland)
Mozabites
Arab(Moroccan)
Southern_Moroccan_Berbers
Armenia(Syunik)
Karabakh
Ararat
Armenian(North)
South_England
Argyll
Strathclyde
North_England
Croatian

Does that help?
Bill

--- In DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com, "rwe38133" <rwe38133@...> wrote:
>
> I got my cousin to do an ancestry.com yDNA test for me.
> Our great grandfather is somewhat of a mystery to us.
>
> Our great grandfather, when younger, claimed to be born in California and of
Native American nationality, but later in life changed his name and claimed to
have been born in the Yucatan Penisula and his parent being from Spain. We do
know he spoke fluent Spanish.
> My male cousin is the direct line of male to male from our great grandfather.
>
> Ok, his results came back as being in the E1b1b. I don't know if posting his
markers will make a differece, but I will post them at the end.
> My question is this. Does this basically rule out his earlier claim of
American Indian and make his later statements more close to fact.
>
> Thank you,
> Rick
> rwe38133
>
> 393/13, 19/13, 391/10, 439/12, 389-1/13, 389-2/31, 388/12, 390/23, 426/11,
385a/16, 385b/17, 392/11
>

----- Original Message -----

From: John Scharf

To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:30 PM

Subject: Re: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question

 

 Arvina, you do not have any yDNA. Your father, however, passed you an X chromosome. I have had my X chromome tested as well as my Y. If you had your mother's X chromosomes and your X chromosome tested, you could isolate which X chromosome your father passed to you.

---

From: Arvina Copeland <ArvinaCopeland@hughes.net>
To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 8:13:23 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question

 

Rick,

 

I'm no expert, but I know for sure from a twist in my own ancestry.  I have Native American ancestry from a male Native American.  From that male to his daughter is the next step.  From there on down, she does not pass it on in her mtdna.  And of course, my y-dna(paternal line) only has the dna passed down from father to son to son and that male Native American is not in his line of ancestry.  He could be being truthful with both tales.  Maybe early on he identified with a maternal line of Native American ancestry.  Later on he may have identified with his paternal line of ancestry.

 

Arvina

----- Original Message -----

From: rwe38133

To: DNA-Testing@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:50 PM

Subject: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question

 

I got my cousin to do an ancestry.com yDNA test for me.
Our great grandfather is somewhat of a mystery to us.

Our great grandfather, when younger, claimed to be born in California and of Native American nationality, but later in life changed his name and claimed to have been born in the Yucatan Penisula and his parent being from Spain. We do know he spoke fluent Spanish.
My male cousin is the direct line of male to male from our great grandfather.

Ok, his results came back as being in the E1b1b. I don't know if posting his markers will make a differece, but I will post them at the end.
My question is this. Does this basically rule out his earlier claim of American Indian and make his later statements more close to fact.

Thank you,
Rick
rwe38133

393/13, 19/13, 391/10, 439/12, 389-1/13, 389-2/31, 388/12, 390/23, 426/11, 385a/16, 385b/17, 392/11

 

.

----- Original Message -----

From: John Scharf

To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:41 PM

Subject: Re: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question

 

If you are six generations away from Native American, the probability is close to nil that you will show any sign of that.

---

From: rwe <rwe38133@yahoo.com>
To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 6:34:54 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question

 

Excuse me, but I think that my post got misconstrued. How my original question should have be interpreted is this. With my cousin having tested and coming out as an E1b1b, should I understand that the chances of our being American Indian be lesser then the chances of us being descended from Spaniards be greater. I know that I threw in a lot of unnecessary information in there and I guess I apologize for the fluff. I only thought that it would be understood what I was attempting to ask. I know it is not an exact science and it's not like looking into a crystal ball. What I am attempting to understand from people that understand the YDNA better is if my cousin PATERNAL line is more likely to be of Spanish descent then it is American Indian. I was not asking about his maternal line. We do not have a known female doner to get that sample. These are his exact markers and alleles per ancestry.com 19/13, 385a/16, 385b/17, 388/12, 389I/13, 389II/31, 390/23, 391/10, 392/11, 393/13, 426/11, 438/10, 439/12 441/17, 447/25, 448/21, 449/32, 454/11, 455/11, 458/15, 460/10, 461/11, 463/19, 464a/13, 464b/14, 464c/14.3,  464d/17, YCAIIA/19, YCAIIb/22, GATA H4.1/20 Thank you, Rick From: Arvina Copeland <ArvinaCopeland@ hughes.net> To: DNA-Testing@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 8:13:23 AM Subject: Re: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question   Rick,   I'm no expert, but I know for sure from a twist in my own ancestry.  I have Native American ancestry from a male Native American.  From that male to his daughter is the next step.  From there on down, she does not pass it on in her mtdna.  And of course, my y-dna(paternal line) only has the dna passed down from father to son to son and that male Native American is not in his line of ancestry.  He could be being truthful with both tales..  Maybe early on he identified with a maternal line of Native American ancestry.  Later on he may have identified with his paternal line of ancestry.   Arvina ----- Original Message ----- From: rwe38133 To: DNA-Testing@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:50 PM Subject: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question   I got my cousin to do an ancestry.com yDNA test for me. Our great grandfather is somewhat of a mystery to us. Our great grandfather, when younger, claimed to be born in California and of Native American nationality, but later in life changed his name and claimed to have been born in the Yucatan Penisula and his parent being from Spain. We do know he spoke fluent Spanish.. My male cousin is the direct line of male to male from our great grandfather. Ok, his results came back as being in the E1b1b. I don't know if posting his markers will make a differece, but I will post them at the end. My question is this. Does this basically rule out his earlier claim of American Indian and make his later statements more close to fact. Thank you, Rick rwe38133 393/13, 19/13, 391/10, 439/12, 389-1/13, 389-2/31, 388/12, 390/23, 426/11, 385a/16, 385b/17, 392/11

Like I posted before, autosomal markers tend to reach that point  of
probability that is very low after six generations. I took the test
anyway, but you should not be disappointed because it is just a shot in
the dark.
--- In DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com, "Marvin Collins" <mcollins@...>
wrote:
>
> Have you tried taking FTDNA's autosomal test for NA ancestry? I forget
the exact marker, but it starts D9S9...Someone help me here with the
correct name of the autosome...JC
>
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It is mostly North Africa, Middle East, and ports of the Med.
--- In DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com, "Marvin Collins" <mcollins@...>
wrote:
>
> It would show if there were a direct male to male descent from
original to present. However, Haplogroup E is not a NA Haplogroup that I
know about...JC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Scharf
> To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question
>
>
>
> If you are six generations away from Native American, the probability
is close to nil that you will show any sign of that.
>
>
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------\
------
> From: rwe rwe38133@...
> To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 6:34:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question
>
>
> Excuse me, but I think that my post got misconstrued.
>
>
> How my original question should have be interpreted is this.
> With my cousin having tested and coming out as an E1b1b, should I
understand that the chances of our being American Indian be lesser then
the chances of us being descended from Spaniards be greater.
> I know that I threw in a lot of unnecessary information in there and I
guess I apologize for the fluff. I only thought that it would be
understood what I was attempting to ask.
>
>
> I know it is not an exact science and it's not like looking into a
crystal ball.
> What I am attempting to understand from people that understand the
YDNA better is if my cousin PATERNAL line is more likely to be of
Spanish descent then it is American Indian.
> I was not asking about his maternal line. We do not have a known
female doner to get that sample.
>
>
> These are his exact markers and alleles per ancestry.com
>
>
>
>
> 19/13, 385a/16, 385b/17, 388/12, 389I/13, 389II/31, 390/23, 391/10,
392/11, 393/13, 426/11, 438/10, 439/12
> 441/17, 447/25, 448/21, 449/32, 454/11, 455/11, 458/15, 460/10,
461/11, 463/19, 464a/13, 464b/14, 464c/14.3,
> 464d/17, YCAIIA/19, YCAIIb/22, GATA H4.1/20
>
>
> Thank you,
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Arvina Copeland <ArvinaCopeland@ hughes.net>
> To: DNA-Testing@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 8:13:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question
>
>
>
> Rick,
>
> I'm no expert, but I know for sure from a twist in my own ancestry. I
have Native American ancestry from a male Native American. >From that
male to his daughter is the next step. From there on down, she does not
pass it on in her mtdna. And of course, my y-dna(paternal line) only has
the dna passed down from father to son to son and that male Native
American is not in his line of ancestry. He could be being truthful with
both tales.. Maybe early on he identified with a maternal line of Native
American ancestry. Later on he may have identified with his paternal
line of ancestry.
>
> Arvina
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rwe38133
> To: DNA-Testing@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:50 PM
> Subject: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question
>
>
>
> I got my cousin to do an ancestry.com yDNA test for me.
> Our great grandfather is somewhat of a mystery to us.
>
> Our great grandfather, when younger, claimed to be born in California
and of Native American nationality, but later in life changed his name
and claimed to have been born in the Yucatan Penisula and his parent
being from Spain. We do know he spoke fluent Spanish..
> My male cousin is the direct line of male to male from our great
grandfather.
>
> Ok, his results came back as being in the E1b1b. I don't know if
posting his markers will make a differece, but I will post them at the
end.
> My question is this. Does this basically rule out his earlier claim of
American Indian and make his later statements more close to fact.
>
> Thank you,
> Rick
> rwe38133
>
> 393/13, 19/13, 391/10, 439/12, 389-1/13, 389-2/31, 388/12, 390/23,
426/11, 385a/16, 385b/17, 392/11
>

You are correct. Most NA surnames have not survived, but of all of them,
that is the surname, Sizemore, with the most Cherokee offspring.
--- In DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com, "Arvina Copeland"
<ArvinaCopeland@...> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> The two known(by me) Native American male ancestors that I have are a
convoluted tangle. My g-g-g grandmother, Winnie Sizemore Bowling,
daughter of "George All" Sizemore, was part Native American. All proven
male descendants of George that have been y-dna tested have shown Native
American ancestry. I am descended from his daughter through her oldest
son, in a direct male line descent, until it comes to me. I am female.
My other ancestor, Frank Bentley(Frances) was supposedly 1/2(Cherokee)
from Georgia. His father was the Native American. His mother was not. I
descend from him in a direct female line of descent, his daughter, Mary
Bentley, my mother Eula Root, Me. I did not know of a test that would
show either of the two in my genetic testing, although I have the
physical characteristics as indicators of my heritage. There were very
likely more additions to my stock of Native American ancestry that the
two that I've mentioned because of the very early arrival time of my
ancestors. I am open to test suggestions as I only have a surface
knowledge of the various tests.
>
> Arvina
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Scharf
> To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question
>
>
>
>
> Arvina, you do not have any yDNA. Your father, however, passed you an
X chromosome. I have had my X chromome tested as well as my Y. If you
had your mother's X chromosomes and your X chromosome tested, you could
isolate which X chromosome your father passed to you.
>
>
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------\
------
> From: Arvina Copeland ArvinaCopeland@...
> To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 8:13:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question
>
>
>
> Rick,
>
> I'm no expert, but I know for sure from a twist in my own ancestry. I
have Native American ancestry from a male Native American. From that
male to his daughter is the next step. From there on down, she does not
pass it on in her mtdna. And of course, my y-dna(paternal line) only has
the dna passed down from father to son to son and that male Native
American is not in his line of ancestry. He could be being truthful with
both tales. Maybe early on he identified with a maternal line of Native
American ancestry. Later on he may have identified with his paternal
line of ancestry.
>
> Arvina
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rwe38133
> To: DNA-Testing@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:50 PM
> Subject: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question
>
>
>
> I got my cousin to do an ancestry.com yDNA test for me.
> Our great grandfather is somewhat of a mystery to us.
>
> Our great grandfather, when younger, claimed to be born in California
and of Native American nationality, but later in life changed his name
and claimed to have been born in the Yucatan Penisula and his parent
being from Spain. We do know he spoke fluent Spanish.
> My male cousin is the direct line of male to male from our great
grandfather.
>
> Ok, his results came back as being in the E1b1b. I don't know if
posting his markers will make a differece, but I will post them at the
end.
> My question is this. Does this basically rule out his earlier claim of
American Indian and make his later statements more close to fact.
>
> Thank you,
> Rick
> rwe38133
>
> 393/13, 19/13, 391/10, 439/12, 389-1/13, 389-2/31, 388/12, 390/23,
426/11, 385a/16, 385b/17, 392/11
>

----- Original Message -----

From: John Lloyd Scharf

To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:49 AM

Subject: [DNA-Testing] Re: novice y33 dna question

 

You are correct. Most NA surnames have not survived, but of all of them,
that is the surname, Sizemore, with the most Cherokee offspring.
--- In DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com, "Arvina Copeland"
<ArvinaCopeland@...> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> The two known(by me) Native American male ancestors that I have are a
convoluted tangle. My g-g-g grandmother, Winnie Sizemore Bowling,
daughter of "George All" Sizemore, was part Native American. All proven
male descendants of George that have been y-dna tested have shown Native
American ancestry. I am descended from his daughter through her oldest
son, in a direct male line descent, until it comes to me. I am female.
My other ancestor, Frank Bentley(Frances) was supposedly 1/2(Cherokee)
from Georgia. His father was the Native American. His mother was not. I
descend from him in a direct female line of descent, his daughter, Mary
Bentley, my mother Eula Root, Me. I did not know of a test that would
show either of the two in my genetic testing, although I have the
physical characteristics as indicators of my heritage. There were very
likely more additions to my stock of Native American ancestry that the
two that I've mentioned because of the very early arrival time of my
ancestors. I am open to test suggestions as I only have a surface
knowledge of the various tests.
>
> Arvina
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Scharf
> To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question
>
>
>
>
> Arvina, you do not have any yDNA. Your father, however, passed you an
X chromosome. I have had my X chromome tested as well as my Y. If you
had your mother's X chromosomes and your X chromosome tested, you could
isolate which X chromosome your father passed to you.
>
>
>
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------\
------
> From: Arvina Copeland ArvinaCopeland@...
> To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 8:13:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question
>
>
>
> Rick,
>
> I'm no expert, but I know for sure from a twist in my own ancestry. I
have Native American ancestry from a male Native American. From that
male to his daughter is the next step. From there on down, she does not
pass it on in her mtdna. And of course, my y-dna(paternal line) only has
the dna passed down from father to son to son and that male Native
American is not in his line of ancestry. He could be being truthful with
both tales. Maybe early on he identified with a maternal line of Native
American ancestry. Later on he may have identified with his paternal
line of ancestry.
>
> Arvina
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rwe38133
> To: DNA-Testing@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:50 PM
> Subject: [DNA-Testing] novice y33 dna question
>
>
>
> I got my cousin to do an ancestry.com yDNA test for me.
> Our great grandfather is somewhat of a mystery to us.
>
> Our great grandfather, when younger, claimed to be born in California
and of Native American nationality, but later in life changed his name
and claimed to have been born in the Yucatan Penisula and his parent
being from Spain. We do know he spoke fluent Spanish.
> My male cousin is the direct line of male to male from our great
grandfather.
>
> Ok, his results came back as being in the E1b1b. I don't know if
posting his markers will make a differece, but I will post them at the
end.
> My question is this. Does this basically rule out his earlier claim of
American Indian and make his later statements more close to fact.
>
> Thank you,
> Rick
> rwe38133
>
> 393/13, 19/13, 391/10, 439/12, 389-1/13, 389-2/31, 388/12, 390/23,
426/11, 385a/16, 385b/17, 392/11
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Arvina Copeland

To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:01 PM

Subject: [DNA-Testing] Unsolicited e-mail

 

Did anyone else get this unsolicited e-mail that I did, from matchejphfriends?  I forwarded it to my e-mail service provider as missed spam.

 

Arvina

It was not allowed by me and I am the owner. Thanks for reporting it,
though, Arvina. I was hoping it would not generate too much resentment
and just deleted it from the archives.
--- In DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com, "Marvin Collins" <mcollins@...>
wrote:
>
> I got it and immediately deleted it. JC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arvina Copeland
> To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:01 PM
> Subject: [DNA-Testing] Unsolicited e-mail
>
>
>
> Did anyone else get this unsolicited e-mail that I did, from
matchejphfriends? I forwarded it to my e-mail service provider as missed
spam.
>
> Arvina
>

 

Did anyone else get this unsolicited e-mail that I did, from matchejphfriends?  I forwarded it to my e-mail service provider as missed spam.

 

Arvina

----- Original Message -----

From: Arvina Copeland

To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:01 PM

Subject: [DNA-Testing] Unsolicited e-mail

 

Did anyone else get this unsolicited e-mail that I did, from matchejphfriends?  I forwarded it to my e-mail service provider as missed spam.

 

Arvina

----- Original Message -----

From: John Lloyd Scharf

To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:09 PM

Subject: [DNA-Testing] Re: Unsolicited e-mail

 

It was not allowed by me and I am the owner. Thanks for reporting it,
though, Arvina. I was hoping it would not generate too much resentment
and just deleted it from the archives.
--- In DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com, "Marvin Collins" <mcollins@...>
wrote:
>
> I got it and immediately deleted it. JC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arvina Copeland
> To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:01 PM
> Subject: [DNA-Testing] Unsolicited e-mail
>
>
>
> Did anyone else get this unsolicited e-mail that I did, from
matchejphfriends? I forwarded it to my e-mail service provider as missed
spam.
>
> Arvina
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Duane Byron Carlson

To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:38 AM

Subject: Re: [DNA-Testing] Unsolicited e-mail

 

Arvina, No, but I am interested in making contact with a decendent of Andrew Jackson Junior. Family lore is that we are related, but if that is true my great grandmother is undocumented. Attendents at the Hermitage tell us that Junior was Rachels nephew and that he was a "Rounder" giving some credence to our family story.

 

All help/leads appreciated.

Danke mSchoen/Tack sa Myket

 

Duane Byron Carlson

DBCarlson@comcast.net

----- Original Message -----

From: Arvina Copeland

To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:01 PM

Subject: [DNA-Testing] Unsolicited e-mail

 

Did anyone else get this unsolicited e-mail that I did, from matchejphfriends?  I forwarded it to my e-mail service provider as missed spam.

 

Arvina

----- Original Message -----

From: Arvina Copeland

To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: [DNA-Testing] Unsolicited e-mail

 

Mr. Carlson,

 

Does he have any documented descendants?  If he does, then dna testing would be the route to go.  It worked for descendants of Thomas Jefferson.

 

Arvina

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Duane Byron Carlson

To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:38 AM

Subject: Re: [DNA-Testing] Unsolicited e-mail

 

Arvina, No, but I am interested in making contact with a decendent of Andrew Jackson Junior. Family lore is that we are related, but if that is true my great grandmother is undocumented. Attendents at the Hermitage tell us that Junior was Rachels nephew and that he was a "Rounder" giving some credence to our family story.

 

All help/leads appreciated.

Danke mSchoen/Tack sa Myket

 

Duane Byron Carlson

DBCarlson@comcast.net

----- Original Message -----

From: Arvina Copeland

To: DNA-Testing@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:01 PM

Subject: [DNA-Testing] Unsolicited e-mail

 

Did anyone else get this unsolicited e-mail that I did, from matchejphfriends?  I forwarded it to my e-mail service provider as missed spam.

 

Arvina