I have a question for anyone who might know why the OED, Random House, Merriam
(dictionary & "Coined by Shakespeare" Merriam) don't list Shakespeare as having
coined the word/phrase "bees-wax" or "mind your own bees wax." I know that
everyone in Elizabethan times knew where wax for officially sealing various
correspondences came from, but coinage being what is is (the first recorded use
of a term/expression) it's puzzling that the first listing in OED (online) lists
the first use in 1676 -- MOXON Print lett. 12 "You may rub your stone over with
little Bees Wax."; Merriam lists 1664, Random lists 1670).
Yet II Henry VI 4.2.81-84 (1590-91) reads, "Some say the bee stings, but I
say, 'tis the bee's wax: for I did but seal once to a thing, and I was never
mine own man since." I must be not be able to see the Amazon jungle for the
trees.
Scott N.
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I have a question for anyone who might know why the OED, Random House, Merriam (dictionary & "Coined by Shakespeare" Merriam) don't list Shakespeare as having...
It's because you're dealing with two distinct usages. The literal "bee's wax," the substance secreted by hymenoptera, does indeed date to Elizabethan times. ...
Do we have to put up with Wilton? Have him post his sophomoric stuff on his own website. j p maher etymologist ... From: Dave Wilton <dave@...> Subject:...
J P Maher
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Jul 3, 2009 7:36 pm
Maybe I'm missing some of the context here, but if this is the new tone on this discussion group, I'd be happy to leave it right away. Best wishes, and hoping...
Stefan Dollinger
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Jul 3, 2009 7:50 pm
So, no one takes me seriously, and claims to have a grasp of etymology? My search for the derivation of a simple phrase, "bees wax" is not a joke. ...
I'll retract my naughtiness. Replace it with: What is new for seasoned lexicographers in the Wilton post? jp maher ... From: Stefan Dollinger...
J P Maher
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Jul 3, 2009 8:15 pm
Well, lots, actually. It depends what you're a lexicographer of: EModE, LModE, ME, OE, CanE, AmE, BrE, NZE, General English and so forth. I hope we can benefit...
Stefan Dollinger
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Jul 3, 2009 9:54 pm
Define "lots". Jpm ... From: Stefan Dollinger <dstefan@...> Subject: Re: [DSNA] Bees Wax To: DSNA@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 3, 2009,...
J P Maher
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Jul 3, 2009 9:59 pm
I was responding to the original poster's association of the phrase "mind your own beeswax" with Elizabethan English. There is a oft-repeated popular etymology...
Invective bad. Puff piece good? For personal blog OK. For DSNA? j p maher ... From: Dave Wilton <dave@...> Subject: RE: [DSNA] Bees Wax To:...
J P Maher
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Jul 4, 2009 4:45 am
JP, I think you're WAY out of line on this. First of all, the DSNA list is not solely for "seasoned lexicographers". Others with an interest in dictionaries...
Dear Erin McKean et al., Yes, DSNA should by all means be a convivial place for all with a love for word study. The standards of contributions should be...