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RE: [DSNA] Bees Wax

Do we have to put up with Wilton? Have him post his sophomoric stuff on his own
website.

j p maher
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--- On Fri, 7/3/09, Dave Wilton <dave@...> wrote:

From: Dave Wilton <dave@...>
Subject: RE: [DSNA] Bees Wax
To: DSNA@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 11:41 AM

















It's because you're dealing with two distinct usages.



The literal "bee's wax," the substance secreted by hymenoptera, does indeed

date to Elizabethan times.



But the slang "beeswax," meaning business, is an intentional and jocular

malapropism that only dates to the 1930s and is American in origin. This

slang sense has nothing to do with the literal wax, except insofar as the

pronunciation can be deliberately mangled.



-----Original Message-----

From: DSNA@yahoogroups. com [mailto:DSNA@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Scott

Nelson

Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 9:19 AM

To: DSNA@yahoogroups. com

Cc: bolstar1@yahoo. com

Subject: [DSNA] Bees Wax



I have a question for anyone who might know why the OED, Random House,

Merriam (dictionary & "Coined by Shakespeare" Merriam) don't list

Shakespeare as having coined the word/phrase "bees-wax" or "mind your own

bees wax." I know that everyone in Elizabethan times knew where wax for

officially sealing various correspondences came from, but coinage being what

is is (the first recorded use of a term/expression) it's puzzling that the

first listing in OED (online) lists the first use in 1676 -- MOXON Print

lett. 12 "You may rub your stone over with little Bees Wax."; Merriam lists

1664, Random lists 1670).

     Yet II Henry VI 4.2.81-84 (1590-91) reads, "Some say the bee stings,

but I say, 'tis the bee's wax: for I did but seal once to a thing, and I was

never mine own man since." I must be not be able to see the Amazon jungle

for the trees.



Scott N.



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I have a question for anyone who might know why the OED, Random House, Merriam (dictionary & "Coined by Shakespeare" Merriam) don't list Shakespeare as having...
Scott Nelson
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It's because you're dealing with two distinct usages. The literal "bee's wax," the substance secreted by hymenoptera, does indeed date to Elizabethan times. ...
Dave Wilton
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Jul 3, 2009
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Do we have to put up with Wilton? Have him post his sophomoric stuff on his own website. j p maher etymologist ... From: Dave Wilton <dave@...> Subject:...
J P Maher
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Jul 3, 2009
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Maybe I'm missing some of the context here, but if this is the new tone on this discussion group, I'd be happy to leave it right away. Best wishes, and hoping...
Stefan Dollinger
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Jul 3, 2009
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So, no one takes me seriously, and claims to have a grasp of etymology? My search for the derivation of a simple phrase, "bees wax" is not a joke.    ...
Scott Nelson
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Jul 3, 2009
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I'll retract my naughtiness. Replace it with: What is new for seasoned lexicographers in the Wilton post?  jp maher ... From: Stefan Dollinger...
J P Maher
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Jul 3, 2009
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Well, lots, actually. It depends what you're a lexicographer of: EModE, LModE, ME, OE, CanE, AmE, BrE, NZE, General English and so forth. I hope we can benefit...
Stefan Dollinger
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Define "lots". Jpm ... From: Stefan Dollinger <dstefan@...> Subject: Re: [DSNA] Bees Wax To: DSNA@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 3, 2009,...
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I was responding to the original poster's association of the phrase "mind your own beeswax" with Elizabethan English. There is a oft-repeated popular etymology...
Dave Wilton
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Jul 4, 2009
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Invective bad. Puff piece good? For personal blog OK. For DSNA? j p maher ... From: Dave Wilton <dave@...> Subject: RE: [DSNA] Bees Wax To:...
J P Maher
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Jul 4, 2009
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JP, I think you're WAY out of line on this. First of all, the DSNA list is not solely for "seasoned lexicographers". Others with an interest in dictionaries...
Erin McKean
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Jul 4, 2009
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Dear Erin McKean et al., Yes, DSNA should by all means be a convivial place for all with a love for word study. The standards of contributions should be...
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