I've noticed "existential" all over the place, too. Obviously "existentialist"
derives from existential philosophy (Sartre, et al), the idea that philosophy
must be rooted in existence, contrasted with "essentialist," a metaphysical
term. The citation below might argue otherwise, but its current use seems to me
to be a pretentious way of saying "deeply rooted in experience."

Fraser Sutherland

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Sidney Landau
   To: DSNA@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 11:19 AM
   Subject: [DSNA] existential



   Something has happened to the word "existential." It began, perhaps,
   with "existential threat," but it has migrated into many other
   contexts. Here is one in a letter in today's Times: "Waking every
   morning [following the death of the writer's daughter] with feelings
   of existential blankness is uncharacteristic for me ..." I think it
   means something like "deep, genuine, rooted in one's essential
   being," but I'm not sure. It is remarkable how a particular word,
   formerly specialized and uncommon, can become almost instantly
   universal today. I'd like to hear what my fellow lexicographers think
   "existential" means today in its variety of current usages.

   Sidney Landau




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I believe that the vast majority of uses of "existential" have
nothing to do with the philosophical origin of the term and are used
naively by people who know nothing of Sartre et al. "Existential
threat" cannot mean deeply rooted in experience; it means a threat to
one's existence, ie, fundamental. In soem contexts it probably does
mean "deeply rooted in experience, but it doesn't mean this in all
contexts. It is now faddish to use it, and I wonder if the people
using it know exactly what they mean, or use it because it gives
cachet to their exprression. We see this in many current cliches,
such as "a perfect storm." One gets nauseated from the repetition of
such terms which the users regard as brilliantly original.

Sidney Landau
On Aug 29, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Fraser Sutherland wrote:

> I've noticed "existential" all over the place, too. Obviously
> "existentialist" derives from existential philosophy (Sartre, et
> al), the idea that philosophy must be rooted in existence,
> contrasted with "essentialist," a metaphysical term. The citation
> below might argue otherwise, but its current use seems to me to be
> a pretentious way of saying "deeply rooted in experience."
>
> Fraser Sutherland
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Sidney Landau
>   To: DSNA@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 11:19 AM
>   Subject: [DSNA] existential
>
>
>
>   Something has happened to the word "existential." It began, perhaps,
>   with "existential threat," but it has migrated into many other
>   contexts. Here is one in a letter in today's Times: "Waking every
>   morning [following the death of the writer's daughter] with feelings
>   of existential blankness is uncharacteristic for me ..." I think it
>   means something like "deep, genuine, rooted in one's essential
>   being," but I'm not sure. It is remarkable how a particular word,
>   formerly specialized and uncommon, can become almost instantly
>   universal today. I'd like to hear what my fellow lexicographers
> think
>   "existential" means today in its variety of current usages.
>
>   Sidney Landau
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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It may be instructive, though, to look at how dictionaries treat the word:
"relating to existence" is a typical def (and the first one in the OED). I
agree that most journalists who use it today do so because it's a
high-sounding variant for something else that they mean, and I expect that
most of them absorbed the word my unreflective osmosis. But you can't really
escape the fact that "existential" is also a natural and standardly-formed
derivative of "existence."

Top 3 collocates in the OEC: "threat," "crisis," and "angst." These far
outnumber others. A look at some of the hits suggest that an existential
threat is in fact a threat to existence. Existential crisis and angst, on
the other hand, seem to have a mainly psychological dimension.

Orin


On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Sidney Landau <slandau1755@...>wrote:

>
>
> I believe that the vast majority of uses of "existential" have
> nothing to do with the philosophical origin of the term and are used
> naively by people who know nothing of Sartre et al. "Existential
> threat" cannot mean deeply rooted in experience; it means a threat to
> one's existence, ie, fundamental. In soem contexts it probably does
> mean "deeply rooted in experience, but it doesn't mean this in all
> contexts. It is now faddish to use it, and I wonder if the people
> using it know exactly what they mean, or use it because it gives
> cachet to their exprression. We see this in many current cliches,
> such as "a perfect storm." One gets nauseated from the repetition of
> such terms which the users regard as brilliantly original.
>
> Sidney Landau
>
> On Aug 29, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Fraser Sutherland wrote:
>
> > I've noticed "existential" all over the place, too. Obviously
> > "existentialist" derives from existential philosophy (Sartre, et
> > al), the idea that philosophy must be rooted in existence,
> > contrasted with "essentialist," a metaphysical term. The citation
> > below might argue otherwise, but its current use seems to me to be
> > a pretentious way of saying "deeply rooted in experience."
> >
> > Fraser Sutherland
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Sidney Landau
> > To: DSNA@yahoogroups.com <DSNA%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 11:19 AM
> > Subject: [DSNA] existential
> >
> >
> >
> > Something has happened to the word "existential." It began, perhaps,
> > with "existential threat," but it has migrated into many other
> > contexts. Here is one in a letter in today's Times: "Waking every
> > morning [following the death of the writer's daughter] with feelings
> > of existential blankness is uncharacteristic for me ..." I think it
> > means something like "deep, genuine, rooted in one's essential
> > being," but I'm not sure. It is remarkable how a particular word,
> > formerly specialized and uncommon, can become almost instantly
> > universal today. I'd like to hear what my fellow lexicographers
> > think
> > "existential" means today in its variety of current usages.
> >
> > Sidney Landau
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
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A judge in Canada determines that a prisoner who is taking a course should
be allowed to buy his own thesaurus rather than borrowing one from the
prison library.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/canada/Judge+draws+literary+inspiration+deci\
sion+allow+jailbird+thesaurus/3479745/story.html
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LookWAYup Dictionaries


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A judge in Canada determines that a prisoner who is taking a course should
be allowed to buy his own thesaurus rather than borrowing one from the
prison library.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/canada/Judge+draws+literary+inspiration+deci\
sion+allow+jailbird+thesaurus/3479745/story.html
------------------------------
Martin Laplante
613-864-7373


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I recently received the request below from a scientist. I think I will need to
recommend a list of dictionaries rather than a single dictionary. Suggestions?
He says he is working on a "major medical text - An exhaustive research of every
vitamin, mineral, and micronutrients, cross-referencing against the Periodic
Table of the Elements, all the amino acids and the electrolytes and what
diseases or syndromes their depletion or surplus."

Thanks,
Bethany

Bethany K. Dumas, J.D., Ph.D.
Professor of English/Linguistics
301 McClung Tower
University of Tennessee
Knoxville, TN 37996-0430
office 865.974.6965
fax 865.974.6926
dumasb@...

---
Your department staff told me that you might be the one to steer me in the
right direction either through specific text recommendations or perhaps through
the input
of websites.
 
I desire to buy an outstanding research dictionary, albeit not too cumbersome
that I cannot carry it.    Some of the characteristics that I desire are:
     1.  A good reference dictionary in the etymology of words & short phrases.
     2.  A good listing of antonyms, homonyms, and synonyms.
     3.  Reasonable but not overly heavy on technological words.
     4.  Usage divisions
     5.  Pronunciation guides
     6.  Homeographic listings
     7.  Reasonable illustrations as required
     8.  Biographical and geographical entries and divisions
     9.  Compound entries where appropriate
     10.  Idiomatic divisions
     11.  Most commonly used scientific and technical names with definitions.
     12.  Parts of speech on words
     13.  Phonetics on words.
     13.  Commonly used (and perhaps some not so common) acronyms and
  their meaning, explanation, and usage.
     14.  Division by syllabication.
     15.  Transliterations and pronunciations on foreign words
     16.  Important other linguistics divisions
 I am not sure what other features, inclusions, or divisions an excellent
reference dictionary should have but you are welcome to
suggest or recommend them any the dictionaries.
 
I am not overly concerned about the price, I just want an excellent reference
and an
equally excellent research dictionary.   Does it exist?    Any suggestions?
 
---


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Dear Bethany:

             Nice to hear from you. It's been a while since we've been in touch.
First I'll respond to the subject of your message; then I'll fill you in briefly
on my recent and current state.

             Dictionaries: Your correspondent's message indicates thoughtfulness
but naiveté about lexicography. Dictionaries are like shoes. It's best to try
them on rather than order by catalog number. So he should go to a big book store
and see what they've got. My two favorites for most uses are Merriam-Webster's
Collegiate and the Shorter Oxford.

             As for me: My wife, Adele, died last March after a protracted
(three-year) illness whose fatal end was predicted by the best specialists. We
worked together on everything during the 52 years of our marriage, so I miss her
tremendously. As a result of that, however, I have moved to Bowling Green KY,
where my daughter teaches in the Western Kentucky geography department. She
lives out in the country, but got me an excellent apartment in a retirement
complex in town, with good service and an attached nursing center for emergency.
I see her three or four times a week, and we share a lot of interests, so it is
the best thing for me (both of us actually, as she has inherited her mother's
role as chief family care-giver).

             I hope all's well with you. Best regards, John

John Algeo
1800 Westen Street, # 1308
Bowling Green, KY 42104

phone: 270-904-6215

e-mail: jalgeo@...



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Dumas, Bethany K
   To: DSNA@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:22 AM
   Subject: [DSNA] Dictionary Question



   I recently received the request below from a scientist. I think I will need to
recommend a list of dictionaries rather than a single dictionary. Suggestions?
He says he is working on a "major medical text - An exhaustive research of every
vitamin, mineral, and micronutrients, cross-referencing against the Periodic
Table of the Elements, all the amino acids and the electrolytes and what
diseases or syndromes their depletion or surplus."

   Thanks,
   Bethany

   Bethany K. Dumas, J.D., Ph.D.
   Professor of English/Linguistics
   301 McClung Tower
   University of Tennessee
   Knoxville, TN 37996-0430
   office 865.974.6965
   fax 865.974.6926
   dumasb@...

   ---
   Your department staff told me that you might be the one to steer me in the
   right direction either through specific text recommendations or perhaps
through the input
   of websites.

   I desire to buy an outstanding research dictionary, albeit not too cumbersome
that I cannot carry it.    Some of the characteristics that I desire are:
        1.  A good reference dictionary in the etymology of words & short
phrases.
        2.  A good listing of antonyms, homonyms, and synonyms.
        3.  Reasonable but not overly heavy on technological words.
        4.  Usage divisions
        5.  Pronunciation guides
        6.  Homeographic listings
        7.  Reasonable illustrations as required
        8.  Biographical and geographical entries and divisions
        9.  Compound entries where appropriate
        10.  Idiomatic divisions
        11.  Most commonly used scientific and technical names with definitions.
        12.  Parts of speech on words
        13.  Phonetics on words.
        13.  Commonly used (and perhaps some not so common) acronyms and
     their meaning, explanation, and usage.
        14.  Division by syllabication.
        15.  Transliterations and pronunciations on foreign words
        16.  Important other linguistics divisions
    I am not sure what other features, inclusions, or divisions an excellent
reference dictionary should have but you are welcome to
   suggest or recommend them any the dictionaries.

   I am not overly concerned about the price, I just want an excellent reference
and an
   equally excellent research dictionary.   Does it exist?    Any suggestions?

   ---

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Hello Bethany,

I agree with Mr. Alegeo about the "shoes" concept behind what your
scientist is looking for.  That being said, I stumble most upon the
comment that it should not be too cumbersome that they cannot carry
it.  I would strongly suggest that not only does he follow Mr.
Alegeo's advice of thumbing through the options, but that an iPad type
device be considered and the online versions of these dictionaries and
sources be looked for.  I would have to carry my living room (large
with floor to ceiling book shelves) around to have access to what is
being asked for, or possibly go electronic if I wanted to carry it
around unencumbered.

Sincerely,

Natasha


On Sep 24, 2010, at 9:22 AM, Dumas, Bethany K wrote:

> I recently received the request below from a scientist. I think I
> will need to recommend a list of dictionaries rather than a single
> dictionary. Suggestions? He says he is working on a "major medical
> text - An exhaustive research of every vitamin, mineral, and
> micronutrients, cross-referencing against the Periodic Table of the
> Elements, all the amino acids and the electrolytes and what diseases
> or syndromes their depletion or surplus."
>
> Thanks,
> Bethany
>
> Bethany K. Dumas, J.D., Ph.D.
> Professor of English/Linguistics
> 301 McClung Tower
> University of Tennessee
> Knoxville, TN 37996-0430
> office 865.974.6965
> fax 865.974.6926
> dumasb@...
>
> ---
> Your department staff told me that you might be the one to steer me
> in the
> right direction either through specific text recommendations or
> perhaps through the input
> of websites.
>
> I desire to buy an outstanding research dictionary, albeit not too
> cumbersome that I cannot carry it.    Some of the characteristics
> that I desire are:
>      1.  A good reference dictionary in the etymology of words &
> short phrases.
>      2.  A good listing of antonyms, homonyms, and synonyms.
>      3.  Reasonable but not overly heavy on technological words.
>      4.  Usage divisions
>      5.  Pronunciation guides
>      6.  Homeographic listings
>      7.  Reasonable illustrations as required
>      8.  Biographical and geographical entries and divisions
>      9.  Compound entries where appropriate
>      10.  Idiomatic divisions
>      11.  Most commonly used scientific and technical names with
> definitions.
>      12.  Parts of speech on words
>      13.  Phonetics on words.
>      13.  Commonly used (and perhaps some not so common) acronyms and
>   their meaning, explanation, and usage.
>      14.  Division by syllabication.
>      15.  Transliterations and pronunciations on foreign words
>      16.  Important other linguistics divisions
>  I am not sure what other features, inclusions, or divisions an
> excellent reference dictionary should have but you are welcome to
> suggest or recommend them any the dictionaries.
>
> I am not overly concerned about the price, I just want an excellent
> reference and an
> equally excellent research dictionary.   Does it exist?    Any
> suggestions?
>
> ---
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> For more information about the DSNA: http://www.dictionarysociety.com
> Post message: DSNA@yahoogroups.com
> Unsubscribe: DSNA-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>
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Our great friend and lexicographer, Sol Steinmetz, has passed. The service is
today.

I am sorry to have to inform you that Frederick C. Mish, former
editor-in-chief, editorial director, and vice president of Merriam-Webster,
died on September 27 of this year.  In his 29-year career with the company,
Fred was responsible for overseeing editorial work on the ninth, tenth, and
eleventh editions of the Collegiate Dictionary and numerous other
dictionaries and reference books bearing the company's name.  A book he was
particularly proud to see published during his tenure was Merriam-Webster's
Dictionary of English Usage,  for which he did a complete review of the
manuscript at the final editing stage.  A member of the Dictionary Society
of North America, American Dialect Society, Linguistic Society of America,
and National Council of Teachers of English, Fred gave frequent public talks
on American English and the making of dictionaries and appeared on several
nationally televised programs, including William Buckley's Firing Line, CBS
Morning News, and Sunday Morning with Charles Kuralt, spreading the good
word about dictionaries and doing his part to dispel the common
misconceptions.  He also raised three sons, Stephen, David, and Andrew, with
his wife Judy, and was active in the community life of their home town,
Longmeadow, Massachusetts.  His colleagues at Merriam-Webster will remember
him for his high standards of scholarship and firm sense of commitment to
the company's traditional strengths as well as his sensitivity and
self-deprecating wit.



Joanne Despres





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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/25/books/25steinmetz.html?hpw#

--- In DSNA@yahoogroups.com, "Barbara AnnK" <bakipfer@...> wrote:
>
> Our great friend and lexicographer, Sol Steinmetz, has passed. The service is
today.
>

Dear Colleagues,



You are cordially invited to attend the 7th International Conference of the
Asian Association for Lexicography which will be held in Kyoto, Japan, 22-24
August 2011. Prospective presenters are to submit abstracts to reach ASIALEX
before 28 February 2011. For all further information, please see the
conference website at: http://www.asialex2011.org/.



Kind regards,

Gilles-Maurice de Schryver.



---

Prof. Dr. Ing. Gilles-Maurice de Schryver:
<http://tshwanedje.com/members/gmds/cv.html>
http://tshwanedje.com/members/gmds/cv.html

Hot off the Press:

* A Way with Words: Recent Advances in Lexical Theory and Analysis. A
Festschrift for Patrick Hanks (ed. G-M de Schryver, 2010):
<http://menhapublishers.com/products.html>
http://menhapublishers.com/products.html

* Oxford Bilingual School Dictionary: Zulu and English (ed. G-M de Schryver,
2010):  <http://www.oxford.co.za/pls/cms/oup.show_pub?p_isbn=0195765540>
http://www.oxford.co.za/pls/cms/oup.show_pub?p_isbn=0195765540





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Dear Colleagues,



You are cordially invited to attend the 16th International Conference of the
African Association for Lexicography which will be held in Windhoek,
Namibia, 5-7 July 2011. Prospective presenters are to submit abstracts to
reach AFRILEX before 31 March 2011. For all further information, please see
the conference website at: http://afrilex2011unam.webs.com/.



Kind regards,

Gilles-Maurice de Schryver.



---

Prof. Dr. Ing. Gilles-Maurice de Schryver:
<http://tshwanedje.com/members/gmds/cv.html>
http://tshwanedje.com/members/gmds/cv.html

Hot off the Press:

* A Way with Words: Recent Advances in Lexical Theory and Analysis. A
Festschrift for Patrick Hanks (ed. G-M de Schryver, 2010):
<http://menhapublishers.com/products.html>
http://menhapublishers.com/products.html

* Oxford Bilingual School Dictionary: Zulu and English (ed. G-M de Schryver,
2010):  <http://www.oxford.co.za/pls/cms/oup.show_pub?p_isbn=0195765540>
http://www.oxford.co.za/pls/cms/oup.show_pub?p_isbn=0195765540





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In case it's of interest to DSNA members, I've copied this dictionary-project
job opening from  http://www.researchgate.net

Fraser Sutherland

***

Application deadline:
Dec 17, 2010
Start of work:
Jul 1, 2011
Job description

The Dictionary of Old English, University of Toronto, invites applications for a
position of Drafting Editor. This is a grant-funded contractually limited term
appointment at the rank of Assistant or Associate Professor, for one year with
the possibility of renewal. The appointment will begin on July 1, 2011.

Qualifications

Applicants must have a Ph.D. in Old English language and literature. Applicants
must also demonstrate a deep familiarity and expertise with the Corpus of Old
English and have excellent research ability. Knowledge of medieval Latin is
essential and proficiency in a cognate Germanic language is desirable. The
primary responsibility of the successful candidate will be to draft entries for
the Dictionary of Old English.

Position

This position offers a rare opportunity to participate in team research in the
humanities, and therefore the ability to work well with other members of the
project and to complete entries efficiently and expeditiously to deadline is of
paramount importance. The position also involves outreach to the public, so the
ability to communicate the project's research in a dynamic, engaging manner is
also essential. Salary and rank will be commensurate with qualifications and
experience

For more information about the Dictionary of Old English please visit our home
page. Please do not apply online; we are accepting applications by email only to
the address noted above.

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The 18th Biennial Meeting of the Dictionary Society of North America will be
held at McGill University in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. The program will begin
with a reception on the evening of Wednesday, 8 June and will run through
Saturday, 11 June. Those wishing to present papers (no longer than 20 minutes)
should send abstracts to Lise Winer at lise.winer@... no later than 15
January 2011. Abstracts for papers on any topic relating to the history, theory,
or practice of lexicography are welcome. Abstracts for papers about bilingual
lexicography are especially encouraged. Queries by mail should be sent to Lise
Winer, Faculty of Education, McGill University, 3700 McTavish, Montreal, Quebec
H3A 1Y2 CANADA.

Information on lodging, registration, etc. will be posted on the conference
website in early 2011.


Lisa Berglund, Ph.D.
English Department , Buffalo State College, SUNY
Buffalo, NY 14222
Work: 716-878-4049; Fax: 716-878-5700; berglul@...
Executive Secretary, Dictionary Society of North America
www.dictionarysociety.com





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Hello, DSNA members,

I have been asked by the folks at OED to forward the following invitation to the
DSNA membership. Please rsvp to OUP, not to me. I look forward to seeing some of
you in New York next month!

Yours,
LB

Lisa Berglund, Ph.D.
English Department , Buffalo State College, SUNY
Buffalo, NY 14222
Work: 716-878-4049; Fax: 716-878-5700; berglul@...
Executive Secretary, Dictionary Society of North America
www.dictionarysociety.com


John Simpson, Chief Editor of the OED
and
Oxford University Press
cordially invite you
to celebrate the

New
OED Online

with drinks and hors d'oeuvres

Wednesday, January 5, 2011
5:30-8:00pm

Oxford University Press
198 Madison Ave. @ E 35th St.
New York City

RSVP to rsvp@...<mailto:rsvp@...>
Hope you can join us in January,

Purdy
Director of Publicity
Oxford University Press
198 Madison Ave.
New York, NY 10016

212.726.6032, christian.purdy@...<mailto:christian.purdy@...>





--
Lisa Berglund, Ph.D., Executive Secretary
Dictionary Society of North America
Buffalo State College KH 326
Buffalo, NY  14222
Telephone: 716-878-4049 / Fax: 716-878-5700
email: dsnaadmin@...<mailto:dsnaadmin@...>
www.dictionarysociety.com<http://www.dictionarysociety.com>


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A further attestation to what a great dictionary DARE is: I happened
to be reading a book about Buffalo called The Last Fine Time, by
Verlyn Klinkenborg in which he writes "where all the local bars got
their kimmelwecks, pumpernickel and rye," and never having heard of
kimmelwecks before, looked in the OED -- no luck. Then I tried DARE,
which had it as "A caraway roll, used esp for a beef sandwich," with
a note specifying it as "wNY, esp Buffalo," with numerous citations.
You can't get any better than that. (Of course, if I'd known German,
it would have helped.) But it was nice to see DARE come through so
spectacularly.

Sidney Landau

... ad "kimmelwecks": sounds like a phonetic integration of Austrian
(perhaps also Bavarian, but I don't know) "Kuemmelweckerl", which is
precisely the caraway roll described, but not just for savoury toppings
such as beef.
Today, if you're going to Austria and like to eat an interesting bread
roll, just ask for a "Weckerl" at any bakery -- there are several types,
one of them with caraway/cumin seeds.
Happy New Year, dear lexicographers, especially to Mr Landau and, of
course, to DARE and the OED,
Stefan D.

On 2011-01-03, at 9:05 AM, Sidney Landau wrote:

> A further attestation to what a great dictionary DARE is: I happened
> to be reading a book about Buffalo called The Last Fine Time, by
> Verlyn Klinkenborg in which he writes "where all the local bars got
> their kimmelwecks, pumpernickel and rye," and never having heard of
> kimmelwecks before, looked in the OED -- no luck. Then I tried DARE,
> which had it as "A caraway roll, used esp for a beef sandwich," with
> a note specifying it as "wNY, esp Buffalo," with numerous citations.
> You can't get any better than that. (Of course, if I'd known German,
> it would have helped.) But it was nice to see DARE come through so
> spectacularly.
>
> Sidney Landau
>
>

Actually, in Buffalo the sandwich is  called "beef on weck" pronounced as one
word: beefonweck. I strongly recommend it.

Lisa Berglund, Ph.D.
English Department
Buffalo State College, SUNY
Buffalo, NY 14222
berglul@...
Executive Director, Dictionary Society of North America
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From: DSNA@yahoogroups.com [DSNA@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Dollinger
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Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [DSNA] DARE

... ad "kimmelwecks": sounds like a phonetic integration of Austrian
(perhaps also Bavarian, but I don't know) "Kuemmelweckerl", which is
precisely the caraway roll described, but not just for savoury toppings
such as beef.
Today, if you're going to Austria and like to eat an interesting bread
roll, just ask for a "Weckerl" at any bakery -- there are several types,
one of them with caraway/cumin seeds.
Happy New Year, dear lexicographers, especially to Mr Landau and, of
course, to DARE and the OED,
Stefan D.

On 2011-01-03, at 9:05 AM, Sidney Landau wrote:

> A further attestation to what a great dictionary DARE is: I happened
> to be reading a book about Buffalo called The Last Fine Time, by
> Verlyn Klinkenborg in which he writes "where all the local bars got
> their kimmelwecks, pumpernickel and rye," and never having heard of
> kimmelwecks before, looked in the OED -- no luck. Then I tried DARE,
> which had it as "A caraway roll, used esp for a beef sandwich," with
> a note specifying it as "wNY, esp Buffalo," with numerous citations.
> You can't get any better than that. (Of course, if I'd known German,
> it would have helped.) But it was nice to see DARE come through so
> spectacularly.
>
> Sidney Landau
>
>



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That's in DARE also!

Berglund, Lisa wrote:
>
> Actually, in Buffalo the sandwich is called "beef on weck" pronounced
> as one word: beefonweck. I strongly recommend it.
>
> Lisa Berglund, Ph.D.
> English Department
> Buffalo State College, SUNY
> Buffalo, NY 14222
> berglul@... <mailto:berglul%40buffalostate.edu>
> Executive Director, Dictionary Society of North America
> www.dictionarysociety.com
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> Stefan Dollinger [dstefan@...
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> To: DSNA@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DSNA%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [DSNA] DARE
>
> ... ad "kimmelwecks": sounds like a phonetic integration of Austrian
> (perhaps also Bavarian, but I don't know) "Kuemmelweckerl", which is
> precisely the caraway roll described, but not just for savoury toppings
> such as beef.
> Today, if you're going to Austria and like to eat an interesting bread
> roll, just ask for a "Weckerl" at any bakery -- there are several types,
> one of them with caraway/cumin seeds.
> Happy New Year, dear lexicographers, especially to Mr Landau and, of
> course, to DARE and the OED,
> Stefan D.
>
> On 2011-01-03, at 9:05 AM, Sidney Landau wrote:
>
> > A further attestation to what a great dictionary DARE is: I happened
> > to be reading a book about Buffalo called The Last Fine Time, by
> > Verlyn Klinkenborg in which he writes "where all the local bars got
> > their kimmelwecks, pumpernickel and rye," and never having heard of
> > kimmelwecks before, looked in the OED -- no luck. Then I tried DARE,
> > which had it as "A caraway roll, used esp for a beef sandwich," with
> > a note specifying it as "wNY, esp Buffalo," with numerous citations.
> > You can't get any better than that. (Of course, if I'd known German,
> > it would have helped.) But it was nice to see DARE come through so
> > spectacularly.
> >
> > Sidney Landau
> >
> >
>
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The Dictionary Society of North America welcomes proposals for papers
for its 18th Biennial Conference at McGill University in Montreal,
Quebec, Canada, 8-11 June 2011. Those wishing to present papers (no
longer than 20 minutes) should send 250-word abstracts to Lise Winer at
lise.winer@... no later than 15 January 2011.

Abstracts for papers on any topic relating to the history, theory, or
practice of lexicography are welcome. Abstracts for papers about
bilingual lexicography are especially encouraged, as are suggestions for
panels, roundtables and other presentation formats. For details see
http://mac10.typepad.com/files/dsna-montreal-cfp-2011.doc and
http://www.dictionarysociety.com/2009/09/2011-dsna-meeting-in-montreal-more-deta\
ils.html.

Dear DSNA members,

I'm sorry to pass along the news that Wendi Nichols' husband, Manie
Barron, passed away last Saturday.

For those in the NYC area, there will be a memorial at St Bartholomew's
Church (325 Park Ave betw 50 and 51) on Feb 5 at 11 am.

Wendi has requested that if you have memories of Manie you would like to
share, to please send them (in a Word doc, or jpeg pix or videos) to
wendalyn.nichols at gmail.com

Erin

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Dear All,

There's a short review by Paul Bogaards of Henri Béjoint's 'The Lexicography of
English. From Origins to Present' available on:

http://fryske-akademy.nl/fa/uitgaven/trefwoord/pdf-bejoint

The review is in English.

Best wishes,
Anne Dykstra

Fryske Akademy
P.O. Box 54
NL-8900AB Leeuwarden / Ljouwert
http://www.fryske-akademy.nl
Trefwoord, online lexicografisch tijdschrift 
http://www.fryske-akademy.nl/trefwoord
Euralex Bibliography of Lexicography http://euralex.pbworks.com/

The annual volume 31 of /Dictionaries: The Journal of the Dictionary
Society of North America/, which is edited by Elizabeth Knowles and Orin
Hargreaves, recently appeared in print (December 2010). The traditional
paper copies will soon be supplemented by digital access via Project
Muse. Coverage includes articles on Noah Webster and pictorial
illustration, Hester Lynch Piozzi's /British Synonomy /in France, James
Joyce and lexicography, and early Japanese bilingual dictionaries, as
well as a detailed update on the /Dictionary of American Regional
English./ Book reviews by Orion Montoya, Eugene Green, Reinhard
Hartmann, Robert Ilson, and Jesse Sheidlower cover a variety of
lexicographical topics. For details see the table of contents at
http://bit.ly/Dictionaries31. For subscription information see
http://bit.ly/DSNAsubscriptions.

      Michael Hancher
      President, DSNA

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Professor of English, College of Liberal Arts, University of Minnesota
207 Lind Hall, 207 Church Street SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455
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Call for abstracts, as posted at
http://linguistlist.org/issues/22/22-725.html:

Women and Lexicography
January 5th-January 8th 2012

Call for Papers:

The MLA Discussion Group on Lexicography invites proposals that address
the roles of women in lexicography. Papers may discuss the
representation of women in dictionary projects, the participation of
women in creating or using word lists, or associated topics (female
domestic partners or relations of prominent male dictionary makers,
literary representations of women lexicographers, feminist critiques of
individual dictionaries or lexicographical practices, technical
dictionaries of women's work, language ideologies surrounding women and
lexicon).

All speakers must be members of the MLA by April 1, 2011. Abstracts to
Lindsay Rose Russell (russellruw.edu) by March 15, 2011.




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Hello, DSNA members:

I have been asked to share the following job opportunity with our members. If
you are interested, please contact the folks at the Investor Guide, not DSNA.

LB

Lisa Berglund, Ph.D., Executive Secretary
Dictionary Society of North America
Buffalo State College KH 326
Buffalo, NY  14222
Telephone: 716-878-4049 / Fax: 716-878-5700
email: dsnaadmin@...<mailto:dsnaadmin@...>
www.dictionarysociety.com<http://www.dictionarysociety.com>


Lexicographer/Linguist
Type:                Full-time
Experience:       Trained Lexicographer/ Linguist
Industries:         Internet, Reference, Educational
Compensation:   Annual salary plus performance bonus

WebFinance, Inc. has a world-class career opportunity with an entrepreneurial
environment for an individual who has a strong desire to help plan and implement
the future strategy of the company and its family of glossary websites,
including BusinessDictionary.com and InvestorWords.com. You'll be part of a
profitable, fast-growing company where ideas matter with an accomplished, driven
team of technology and business experts who thrive on performance and results in
a collaborative environment.

Responsibilities:
Are you a computational linguist or lexicographer with a passion for words who
would like the opportunity to improve and manage a portfolio of over 30 leading
online glossaries with a community of more than 5 million active users?  Can you
identify needs and develop them into actionable ideas/concepts that can be
transformed into successful online products and services?  Do you want to see
your projects and ideas grow directly?  This career opportunity is designed for
a motivated and hardworking individual who possesses creativity and innovation
to implement content and tools aimed at creating a best in class dictionary
experience.  The linguist/lexicographer leads and manages the development and
implementation of the glossary content strategies designed to grow and advance
both the quality and profitability of our online offerings.

Ideal Candidate Qualities:
In addition to exceptional verbal/written communication skills, our
qualifications include:

  *   BA/BS degree preferred with strong academic record from accredited
University

o   A concentration in Computational/General Lexicography, Computational/General
Linguistics, or a closely related field is ideal.

*         Ability to manage multiple concurrent projects in a fast-paced
environment

*         Familiar with the web based glossary industry and computational
lexicography or linguistics

  *   Ability to construct new, ground-breaking ideas in the field of online
glossaries and beyond
  *   A background in business/business strategy is a plus but not required

*         Ability to think strategically about the impact that glossary content
development has on the online business model, including, but not limited to, SEO
best practices, user experience, quantitative and qualitative analysis

*         A working knowledge of relational database systems is preferred but
not required

*         Ability to maintain continuing awareness of recent advances in
computational lexicography or linguistics

*         Experience with corpus mining/development and online content
management are highly desirable

*         Ability to manage a project's team and resources so that it is
completed in the most effective and timely manner possible

*         Native or fluent English speaker

*         Must be willing to relocate

About WebFinance Inc.
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established Internet company which designs and builds a family of educational
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to provide free educational content to help individuals improve their knowledge
and achieve their educational goals.

About Our Team
Every member of the WebFinance team is a top graduate of an accredited
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Compensation and Benefits
We offer a competitive performance-based compensation package commensurate with
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If you would like more information about working at WebFinance Inc., please
reply with resume and salary requirements to
careers@...<mailto:careers@...> or give us a call at
(703) 865-7218.




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Why is a picture worth 1000 words? See http://bit.ly/DefinitionDepiction
-- free access in February (PDF option works better).

--
Michael Hancher <http://mh.cla.umn.edu/>
Professor of English, College of Liberal Arts, University of Minnesota
207 Lind Hall, 207 Church Street SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455
612--625--5075; fax 612--624--8228



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Dear All,

You might be interested in the Bibliografía temática de la lexicografía,
compiled by Félix Córdoba Rodríguez:

http://www.udc.es/grupos/lexicografia/bibliografia.htm

Best wishes,
Anne Dykstra
For the Euralex Bibliography of Lexicography, please go to:
http://euralex.pbworks.com

Dear Colleagues,



This is a brief reminder that the deadline for abstract submissions to
ASIALEX 2011 is next Monday, February 28. This 7th Intl Conference of the
Asian Association for Lexicography will be held in Kyoto, Japan, from 22 to
24 August 2011.



For all further information, see the second circular at
http://www.asialex2011.org/



Kind regards,

Gilles-Maurice de Schryver,

on behalf of the ASIALEX Board.





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