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Re: [DialogueMapping] More Dialogue and Issue Mapping News

Hello Lizzie Elsey,
thanks for the news about IBIS, dialogue and argument mapping. Permit me to add some missing pieces I have been working on.

 While I was working closely with Horst Rittel on the very first IBIS projects in 1969 and 1970 in Heidelberg, and wrote my dissertation on the problem of evaluating the kinds of arguments used in design, planning and policy-making discourse, I had to put that whole subject on the back burner during my teaching career in ‘regular’  architecture. I only wrote a few papers as a side effort -- there was no research funding in this within architecture. After retirement, I looked at what had been done in the meantime, I found that while great progress was made in the area of dialogue and argument mapping, most of that effort had stayed at the large-grain level of  issues and arguments as a whole, at best. The fine-grain analysis  of design and planning arguments that I had used in my assessment approach had not been picked up and developed further. I then wrote a book to present this in  a less academic format than a dissertation (“The Fog Island Argument”, 2007) where also explored how the argument assessment approach could be embedded in a re-thought general planning process and discourse, developed corresponding ideas for the issue and argument maps to support the discourse, and made a case for including this thinking about planning in general studies.  (That book is also available in German with the title "Das Planungsargument" as an e-book at CIANDO) I can attach pdf files  to emails to interested people.

Another book, just finished and available in a prepublication version on CD (too big for emailattachments), “The Fog Island Tavern”, discusses these ideas in a larger framework that also presents my ideas for the conceptual framework for architecture, expanding that into possible new measures of building value, and outlines the connections between all  these topics.  Since my own programming abilities go no further than using spreadsheets, I am looking for people who might take this approach (which could profitably enhance several of the IBIS and mapping approaches currently on the market) to a more automated level. I am confident that I can run a real project with my ‘hand-made’ tools now, but it would take more manpower and have trouble updating things fast enough. There is enough research and development work to do, but I think that  these ideas -- take the entire field into a direction that so far has been neglected -- to extend the issue and argument documentation and mapping into the actual  evaluation and decision-making phase, and at least should be known to those working in this field.
Details on request. Best,
Thorbjoern Mann 
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--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Lizzie Elsey <lizzie@...> wrote:

From: Lizzie Elsey <lizzie@...>
Subject: [DialogueMapping] More Dialogue and Issue Mapping News
To: DialogueMapping@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 4:07 PM

Hello again Dialogue Mapping group!

I wanted to keep you updated about places that Dialogue Mapping, Issue
Mapping, Wicked Problems and IBIS have recently been mentioned - we are
excited that the momentum and interest around this thinking and these skills
is continuing to build!

1) First off, Kailash Awati has continued his Eight to Late Blog Series with
two Blog posts:

"Visualising arguments using issue maps - an example and some general
comments"
(http://eight2late. wordpress. com/2009/ 07/08/the- what-and- whence-of- issue-bas
ed-information- systems/) where he makes conclusions about the value of issue
maps to both writers and readers

and

"The what and whence of issue based information systems"
(http://eight2late. wordpress. com/2009/ 07/08/the- what-and- whence-of- issue-bas
ed-information- systems/) where he describes the origins, advantages and
limitations of IBIS.

2) Also take a look at Athenegade's post "Wicked Problems. Insane Answers."
(http://stewarthayes .wordpress. com/) by Stewart Hayes. I love it where
Stewart says "Wicked problems require flexible and creativity, and a
leadership prepared to be proactively decisive and speculative in their
strategy."

3) Lastly, I am not sure how many of your have read the original and
definitive paper on Wicked Problems by Horst Rittel and Melvin Webber,
"Dilemmas in a General Theory of Planning". To see where so much of our
thinking and conversation comes from, I highly recommend reading it! The
link can be found at:
http://www.uctc. net/mwebber/ Rittel+Webber+ Dilemmas+ General_Theory_ of_Plannin
g.pdf

I hope everyone is having a great summer!

Lizzie Elsey

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