--- In innoveda_users@egroups.com, "Gary Lameris" <glameris@y...> wrote:
> So make your comments back to me glameris@y... and I will be happy to
> enhance this feature list.

Hi!

> Allow True Type fonts to be specified.
You can specify True Type fonts (Project->Settings->Fonts).

A new suggestion for ViewDraw :
If a small symbol is selected in a big schematic, it is difficult to locate it.
Some kind of animation would help, eg. 'marching ants' border around the symbol,
or a flashing box.

This problem occurs when you select a component with View Navigator or with PADS
OLE-link (the PADS link now has a bug which always zooms the view close to
component in ViewDraw when you select it in PADS, but they have promised to fix
it).

Juha Manninen

Anyone else notice the new TecTips on the support web site.

http://www.innoveda.com/support/

I think they are well done and very informative.

(It's still to hard to do a default sheet though)

A year or so ago, The PADS listserver had an enhancement list for PowerPCB
that was widely circulated and had a number of great suggestions, some of
which eventually have been implemented in PowerPCB.

Attached is an enhancement list I have begun to generate for EPD.  Please
make comments on the list.  Are the enhancements I suggested useful?  What
possible enhancements have I missed?

A lot of new cool things have happed with Viewdraw in the last year.  EPD
1.1 is GREAT!  I love the hyperlinks and DxPDF!

So make your comments back to me glameris@... and I will be happy to
enhance this feature list.

Gary Lameris

Gary,

Here's a VBScript that can be loaded by Dashboard that clears
out a project.lst file when Dashboard is closed.  Save the
script text to file (say projclean.vbs) in a directory in
your WDIR, the create a file called scripts.ini with these
two lines:

[Dashboard]
Script#0=projclean.vbs

You should see a line "[I] Running script c:\wdir\projclean.vbs"
in the output window the next time you start Dashboard.
The script is pretty simple - when you close Dashboard, it
asks if you want to clear your project list.  If you answer
yes, the project.lst file is wiped clean.  Feel free to
change the code to copy alternative project.lst files or
whatever.  Hope this helps...

John

--------------Start of projclean.vbs-------------------------

' Tell the script to hang around so we can do some stuff when Dashboard
closes
Scripting.DontExit = True

' Create the FileSystemObject server so we can read/write lst files
Set FSO = CreateObject("Viewlogic.FileSystemObject")

' Save the WDIR environment variable value, that's where we look for files
wdirs = split(Scripting.GetEnvVariable("WDIR"), ";")

' During startup, if the Projects tree is empty, prompt user to select the
path
' If I had a list of all the projects, I'd pop up a dialog (using InputBox)
to
' let the user pick from that list. To keep it simple, I let the user type
it
' in or use the Browse button
Set ProjectsNode = Application.Tree.FindNode("Dashboard|Projects")
If ProjectsNode.Children(1).Name = "No Projects Found" Then
	 Application.Tree.CreateProject "", "Viewdraw"
End If

' During shutdown, ask the user if they want to clear out the list of
projects
Function Application_Shutdown
	 response = MsgBox("Do you want to remove all projects from Dashboard?", _
		 vbYesNo + vbSystemModal, "Remove projects?")
	 If response = vbYes Then
		 For Each w In wdirs
			 If FSO.FileExists(w & "\vf\project.lst") Then
				 ' we found the project.lst, overwrite it
				 Set F = FSO.CreateTextFile(w & "\vf\project.lst", 2, True)
				 F.WriteLine("0")
				 F.Close()
				 Exit For
			 End If
		 Next
	 End If
End Function

------------------------End of
projclean.vbs-------------------------------------------------

> -----Original Message-----
> From: glameris@... [mailto:glameris@...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:27 PM
> To: innoveda_users@egroups.com
> Subject: [innoveda_users] EPD dashboard
>
>
> Is there anyway to use dashboard to switch between project lists or
> next projects in the Dashboard.
>
> For example, I have dozens of archived projects, that I like to open
> sometimes, but they clutter up my active projects so, I use the
> project Wizard to add them and then I remove the projects when I am
> finished.
>
> It seems as if there should be a method to keep the projects in a
> list with their past correct, without having to add and remove them
> all the time.
>
> One method would be to manually create a second project.lst file and
> then switch between the 2 files when dashboard is closed, but this
> method seems to be fraught with error if I happened to forget to copy
> the active list first.
>
>
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>
>
>
>

This came to the Pads Talk list.  I have forwarded it to Innoveda Users.
Dave.....

"Brown, Mike  (CAD)" <MBrown@...> wrote in message
news:<13725@talk>...
>
> I am attempting to back annotate a pads design to view logic, is there
something I should be aware of?
> I keep getting an error about the ECO file?
>
> Question:  Using the viewlogic link, should I rename my files to be
consistent with viewlogic?
>
> Anybody have luck with this?
>
> -Mike Brown (CAD)
> C2-A
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>
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Is there anyway to use dashboard to switch between project lists or
next projects in the Dashboard.

For example, I have dozens of archived projects, that I like to open
sometimes, but they clutter up my active projects so, I use the
project Wizard to add them and then I remove the projects when I am
finished.

It seems as if there should be a method to keep the projects in a
list with their past correct, without having to add and remove them
all the time.

One method would be to manually create a second project.lst file and
then switch between the 2 files when dashboard is closed, but this
method seems to be fraught with error if I happened to forget to copy
the active list first.

This is the same thing I have been doing for the last year.  I didn't
find the "PPlus" sample files to be of any help except for reference
on how to create the files.  It was easier just to sit down and start
entering the data.

DxDatabook and Access -  If you put in a hypertext link, (a cool
feature to access datasheets) in access you have to set the field
type as text and not as a hyperlink which access defaults to.

Another hint, enter in the data board by board for recently completed
PCB's or as you are doing a new board.

Viewdraw - Keep your libraries to a minimum, when our consultant was
here he made a inductor, capacitor, diode and resistor symbol
library.  I would combine them all into a passive library.  The other
symbol libraries I would have are IC's, Connectors, Transistors,
Documentation and Miscellaneous.  My IC, Connector and Passive
component symbols are in the files area for your use.  This helps
shorten the time required to archive your drawings.  Keep in mind
that your access database will need separate tables for each of the
passive components above.

DxDatabook - Great for adding a symbol to a schematic. Barely
adaquate for updating the attributes for a symbol in a schematic.
Extremely poor for replacing a symbol based upon a key attribute.
(The symbol used is not "approved" and is to be replaced")

Hi Dave,

We offer a free starter database for DxDataBook called
"PartsPlus", which consists of an Access database,
a few ViewDraw symbols and PADS and Allegro footprints.

You can download the database via anonymous ftp from:

ftp://ftp.innoveda.com/pub/release/pc/dx/partsplus/pplus10.exe

John
--
John Dube
jdube@...
Innoveda, Inc.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Kohutek [mailto:DaveK@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 7:35 PM
> To: innoveda_users@egroups.com
> Subject: [innoveda_users] ViewDraw Symbols
>
>
> Hello,
> I am a new Viewdraw, DXdatabook user that accesses
> these programs throught ePD 1.1.  I will be using
> MSaccess to create tables with attributes that will
> be passed to ViewDraw from DXdatabook.
> What I need to know is if there are any symbols,
> MSaccess tables, or any such other helpful data that
> is free to use.
> I am starting to create tables for resistors, capacitors,
> and whatever else that comes up.  Man this is a lot of
> work to prepare a complete database that will be useful
> from this day forward.
> I know I can do it all.  What would be nice is if there
> were generic tables and symbols available to all users.
> I will be willing to share when I get it all going.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Thanks for your time,
> Dave.....
>
>
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Hello,
I am a new Viewdraw, DXdatabook user that accesses
these programs throught ePD 1.1.  I will be using
MSaccess to create tables with attributes that will
be passed to ViewDraw from DXdatabook.
What I need to know is if there are any symbols,
MSaccess tables, or any such other helpful data that
is free to use.
I am starting to create tables for resistors, capacitors,
and whatever else that comes up.  Man this is a lot of
work to prepare a complete database that will be useful
from this day forward.
I know I can do it all.  What would be nice is if there
were generic tables and symbols available to all users.
I will be willing to share when I get it all going.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks for your time,
Dave.....

Hello All,
I believe this is a simple question to answer, but I cannot seem to
locate what I am looking for.
When I generate my Netlist , I am using the pads.cfg file.  when I
look at the ascii output file, I see a set of clearance rules and
they are all set to 12.  Where in the .cfg file can I either edit
these or remove them completely?  I have read the .cfg file, but
cannot seem to locate the syntax I am looking for.

Thanks!

Ernie Kreiner
BAE Systems/Cincinnati Electronics
Cincinnati

The project archive should not take this long.
I work for Innoveda and just yesterday worked on 143 pages schematic with
20+ library search path took approximately 10 minutes to complete.  Grant
that this was Pentium III machine, but 5 hour is outrageous!

In case you have pre - WVO7.5 version, the project archive is known to be
slow, but above WVO7.5 version should not take this wrong.
Which version of software are you using and also what type of machine?
Maybe we can work on it together.

Sincerely,
Chin

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----- Original Message -----
From: "DeGenova, Jon R." <jrd@...>
To: <innoveda_users@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: [innoveda_users] Project Archive


> For comparison, 60 pages, 250 symbols coming off a network drive can take
> 20-40 minutes on a PII-350MHz.  We thought that was slow.  We only have
one
> entry in the library search path though.  Are you running ePD1.1?  If so,
> have you installed the update, it speeds things up a lot.
>
> - Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: glameris@... [mailto:glameris@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:38 PM
> To: innoveda_users@egroups.com
> Subject: [innoveda_users] Project Archive
>
>
> Does anyone else find that this utility is REALLY slow!  I ran a 7
> page flat schematic, with 20 entries in the library search path and
> 69 components and the Archive process took over 5 hours!
>
> It is a lot faster to simply copy the files required by hand.
>
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For comparison, 60 pages, 250 symbols coming off a network drive can take
20-40 minutes on a PII-350MHz.  We thought that was slow.  We only have one
entry in the library search path though.  Are you running ePD1.1?  If so,
have you installed the update, it speeds things up a lot.

- Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: glameris@... [mailto:glameris@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:38 PM
To: innoveda_users@egroups.com
Subject: [innoveda_users] Project Archive


Does anyone else find that this utility is REALLY slow!  I ran a 7
page flat schematic, with 20 entries in the library search path and
69 components and the Archive process took over 5 hours!

It is a lot faster to simply copy the files required by hand.


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Does anyone else find that this utility is REALLY slow!  I ran a 7
page flat schematic, with 20 entries in the library search path and
69 components and the Archive process took over 5 hours!

It is a lot faster to simply copy the files required by hand.

We had some problems running ePD and Wvoffice at the same time.  We had to
uninstall WVoffice and then reinstall ePD to get everything working, though
I did not have your specific problem.

- Jon



-----Original Message-----
From: jimmyn@... [mailto:jimmyn@...]
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 2:05 PM
To: 'innoveda_users@egroups.com'
Subject: [innoveda_users] can not execute a command
Importance: High


Hi All,
I am trying to create netlist in epd and got an error window pop up saying "
the command pcbui.exe does not exist, check path"  I can't find any
pcbui.exe in epd folder, except in my old Wvoffice folder.  Any idea what's
wrong?  Should I point my search path to old Wvoffice folder?
Thanks for your help.
JN



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You might try reinstalling.  I have pcbui.exe in \epd\1.1\wv\2000.2
\win32\bin

Make sure when you install, you check the PCB interfaces.

Gary Lameris

--- In innoveda_users@egroups.com, jimmyn@b... wrote:
> Hi All,
> I am trying to create netlist in epd and got an error window pop up
saying "
> the command pcbui.exe does not exist, check path"  I can't find any
> pcbui.exe in epd folder, except in my old Wvoffice folder.  Any
idea what's
> wrong?  Should I point my search path to old Wvoffice folder?
> Thanks for your help.
> JN

Jon,

The Scout Users' Guide is letting you know that the page_*
commands should not be used for hierarchical designs.  Here
are the relevant scout.ini sections I used for this design:

| tag all composite components with sheet info
direct_reference
    attr composite  any  comp_attr any  10,-10  lower_left

    format_prefix           "SHEET="
    format_entry            "$lvlpage_range"
    format_attr_vis         value_visible
end

| tag border component with sheet location info. within block
direct_reference
    attr any  dsheet.1  comp_attr any 3070,+100  lower_left

    format_prefix   "BLOCKREF="
    format_entry    "Block $sheet_name Page $blkpage_num of
$blkpage_last"
    format_attr_vis         value_visible
    format_attr_size         10
end

| tag border component with sheet location info. within design
direct_reference
    attr any  dsheet.1  comp_attr any 3340,+60  lower_right

    format_prefix   "SHEET="
    format_entry    "SHEET $page_num OF $page_total"
    format_attr_vis         value_visible
    format_attr_size         15
end

I'll let the support engineer know what we've covered so far.

John

John,

I have tried using Scout, but don't seem to understand how to get the page
numbers.  I looked at the Scout user manual and thought this would be
related to the "page_" part.  These were commented out in my scout.ini file.
I enabled the "page_string" and "page_placement" lines but still don't get
page numbers.  See the highlighted part of the attached page from the scout
user manual, it confuses me even more.

I had posted this question at support.viewlogic.com as case number 193252
before you replied (I didn't think anyone from innoveda was monitoring this
list).  I tell you this because I don't want to tie up two innoveda people
with the same thing.

Thank you for your help.

- Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: jdube@... [mailto:jdube@...]
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 1:04 PM
To: innoveda_users@egroups.com
Subject: [innoveda_users] Re: Page numbering in a hierarchical schematic


Jon,

If you have eProductDesigner v1.1, there is a utility
called 'scout' that performs hierarchical page numbering,
as well as cross-reference annotation. I posted a PDF file
( http://www.egroups.com/files/innoveda_users/board.pdf )
showing a schematic which had page, sheet, and net xref
annotation generated by scout.  Note that each
hierarchical component has an attribute indicating the
underlying page number, then each schematic has the page
numbering for that block as well as for the entire
hierarchical design.

John




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Hi All,
I am trying to create netlist in epd and got an error window pop up saying "
the command pcbui.exe does not exist, check path"  I can't find any
pcbui.exe in epd folder, except in my old Wvoffice folder.  Any idea what's
wrong?  Should I point my search path to old Wvoffice folder?
Thanks for your help.
JN

Jon,

If you have eProductDesigner v1.1, there is a utility
called 'scout' that performs hierarchical page numbering,
as well as cross-reference annotation. I posted a PDF file
( http://www.egroups.com/files/innoveda_users/board.pdf )
showing a schematic which had page, sheet, and net xref
annotation generated by scout.  Note that each
hierarchical component has an attribute indicating the
underlying page number, then each schematic has the page
numbering for that block as well as for the entire
hierarchical design.

John

Other Viewlogic link issues from Chris Hallerhan

I get "change attributes instead of refdes" bug to happen when I use
the Viewlogic link with "create ECO file using netlist comparison".
But if I keep the ECO file after resquencing, and use the Viewlogic
Link with "use existing ECO file", then no attributes are passed
back... just renames.

It also seems like the Backwards from PCB with Viewlogic Link (when
using netlist compare) has problems with attribute aliasing... the
ECO file that was written in my schematic project has *SET_ATTRIBUTE*
lines with some PADS attribute names that should have been listed as
Viewlogic attribute names (e.g. in Viewlogic we use P/D_NUM and in
PowerPCB "Part Number"... ECO file has *SET_ATTRIBUTE* lines
with "Part Number" that should have been "P/D_NUM"). It also doesn't
like my spaces in values for component descriptions (spaces are ok
going from Schematic to PCB but not back?). Normal netlist compare is
ok... problem just when running the Link (with create ECO file) to
back annotate.

When I ran the files manually, I only got the ECO-registered
attributes, of which I had to delete a couple because Viewdraw
backannotation will not accept spaces.

But when I ran the viewlogic link I got all of the attributes and a
lot of errors.  Therefore this setting change was required.

--- In innoveda_users@egroups.com, "DeGenova, Jon R." <jrd@d...>
wrote:
> Gary,
>
> Stupid question here, but does this only work when using the
viewlogic link
> in pads (i.e. back annotation on a computer with both pads and
viewdraw)?
>
> - Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: glameris@y... [mailto:glameris@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 1:46 PM
> To: innoveda_users@egroups.com
> Subject: [innoveda_users] Re: Viewdraw to PADS ECO-registered
attributes
>
>
> In \padspower\powerpcb\viewlogiclink.ini
>
> Change the value of "Attributes" from "0" to "1"
>
> This causes the [ECO Registered] attributes to be the only ones
that
> are compared and thus back annotated.
>
> A value of "0" will backannotate all attributes and Viewdraw cannot
> back annotate an attribute with spaces in the "value"
>

Hi all,

When using the hierarchical structures in Viewdraw (i.e. OATS), the main
schematic will have page numbers 1-x, then each sub-schematic is also
numbered page 1-x.  Is there any way to have the sub schematics page numbers
follow in sequence such that:

Page 1 to 20 is the main schematic
Page 21 to 52 is the first sub-schematic
Page 53 to 78 is the second, and so on...

Thanks,
Jon DeGenova

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Stupid question here, but does this only work when using the viewlogic link
in pads (i.e. back annotation on a computer with both pads and viewdraw)?

- Jon

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Subject: [innoveda_users] Re: Viewdraw to PADS ECO-registered attributes


In \padspower\powerpcb\viewlogiclink.ini

Change the value of "Attributes" from "0" to "1"

This causes the [ECO Registered] attributes to be the only ones that
are compared and thus back annotated.

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In \padspower\powerpcb\viewlogiclink.ini

Change the value of "Attributes" from "0" to "1"

This causes the [ECO Registered] attributes to be the only ones that
are compared and thus back annotated.

A value of "0" will backannotate all attributes and Viewdraw cannot
back annotate an attribute with spaces in the "value"

I get a lot of error 7131 when Backannotating using the Viewlogic
link to PowerPCB.  see the following example:
pcb: Error 7131: file 440280e1.eco, line 15: Spaces not allowed in
value field for attribute "CAPACITOR".

The attribute "CAPACITOR" does not appear to be eco-registered.

Does anyone have an idea if it works or which setting I haven't
checked?

Gary Lameris

Why does Innoveda make it so difficult to purchase it's products!

First many new products are only offered in "Large" quantities.

Second there is a HUGE penalty of a 100% markup for floating
licensing when it:
    Costs LESS to support (one license file instead of many)
    Nodelock keys aren't supported by Win2000

Cadence got rid of the floating/nodelocked differential!  When is
Innoveda going to see the light!

PADS has a great listserver for answering PADS PowerPCB and
Powerlogic questions.  To Subscribe go to
http://support.pads.com/ListServer/ListServer.htm

With Viewdraw you can rotate a selection by holding down the control
key while left clicking with your mouse.  Then use the menu to
activate Edit and Rotate.  (You can unselect a component by holding
down the shift key and left clicking on that component)



> p.s. How do you get a selection of components to rotate without all
> the parts rotating?

Hello

After 13 years of Pcad (ouch) I am switching over to Pads or should I
say the new company I am working uses Pads..
Wish Me luck..
p.s. How do you get a selection of components to rotate without all
the parts rotating?

I am looking for component symbols for the following parts:

AMD - Am79C973BKC - PQR160
NSC - DP83815VNG - TQFP144
TI - TPS2214ADB - SSOP24
Micrel - MIC2564A-1BSM - SSOP24
Pulse Transformers - H1081
AMP - 650908-5
AMP - 535659-1

If anyone has drawn one of these parts and is willing to share,
please email it to me at glameris@...

Thank you

Welcome to the Egroup for Innoveda Schematic and PCB tools software.
This group was implemented to discuss new features for Viewdraw, and
share symbol files and utilities.

The user group I host is in Southwest Ohio and we have scheduled
meetings approximately 2 times per year where we discuss the new
features of the above listed programs.

Thank you for keeping this group on Topic!

Gary Lameris