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#7818 From: "Vernon Wnek" <vwnek@...>
Date: Fri Apr 2, 2010 9:49 pm
Subject: RE: Re: EE2007 binary - How do design teams manage without revision control? 		vmwnek
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This is a tough one...
 
You may need to get more understanding from Mentor on how their Datamanager works. Check in/out, is based on when the design is first opened and then saved/closed. If the schematic is open all day with multiple users, and John and Dick are working on different pages at the same time (Which they can in ICDB) - then your scenario may be possible.
 
It's a good question, and until I can get further education - I would say "don't be a Dick" ;-)
 
I will ask my Mentor AE when I see her next and get back to you, or maybe we can find out at U2U next week???
 
I will be there, will you?
 
Thanks,
Vern Wnek, C.I.D.
Manager, PCB Layout, ENG BU / Central Library
Email: vwnek@...

From: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dmcando64
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 2:36 PM
To: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DxDesigner_Users] Re: EE2007 binary - How do design teams manage without revision control?

 

Schematic only.
If John finishes one page and moves to the next, expecting it to look the same as it did yesterday, but Dick changed something he wasn't supposed to for whatever reason, how will John feel about that? If John kept the pages under his control this wouldn't happen. This is the scenario we want to eliminate even though it happens rarely because we never make mistakes :)

--- In DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com, "Vernon Wnek" <vwnek@...> wrote:
>
> Schematic or Board Multi user?
>
> In the schematic multi user mode, if a sheet is being worked on by another engineer - it is read only to all others. The other sheets are available.
>
> In the Board files all work together, but additional users are assigned through Extreme for access to the team.
>
> Revision control - is a check in and out function, only done when data is first opened or when saved on each occurrence. Data Manager from Mentor is supposed to handle this, or DMS DataManager. I would look into those tools for more answers on Revision Control.
>
> Thanks,
> Vern Wnek, C.I.D.
> Manager, PCB Layout, ENG BU / Central Library
> Email: vwnek@...<mailto:vwnek@...>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dmcando64
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:25 PM
> To: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DxDesigner_Users] EE2007 binary - How do design teams manage without revision control?
>
>
>
> Looking for ideas here...
>
> If your company uses EE2007.8 and has a team working on the same schematics, how do you manage not to step on each others toes, delete somebody elses work, etc?
>
> Our team uses revision control and it isn't clear how we are going to work with a binary db.
>
> thanks for any suggestions.
>
> david.canfield@...<mailto:david.canfield%40intel.com>
>


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#7819 From: "Canfield, David" <david.canfield@...>
Date: Fri Apr 2, 2010 10:05 pm
Subject: RE: Re: EE2007 binary - How do design teams manage without revision control? 		dmcando64
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U2U - Won’t make it this year because we didn’t see any presentations targeting the front end (DxDesigner/DxDatabook).

I know Mentor is working on a new release that will provide revision control, not sure if that is something they want me to talk about, but can’t wait to test it out.

 

David Canfield

PEVH Hardware Engineering

503-264-4318

fun link (click pic)

muppets2

 

From: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Wnek
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 2:49 PM
To: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Vernon Wnek
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_Users] Re: EE2007 binary - How do design teams manage without revision control?

 

 

This is a tough one...

 

You may need to get more understanding from Mentor on how their Datamanager works. Check in/out, is based on when the design is first opened and then saved/closed. If the schematic is open all day with multiple users, and John and Dick are working on different pages at the same time (Which they can in ICDB) - then your scenario may be possible.

 

It's a good question, and until I can get further education - I would say "don't be a Dick" ;-)

 

I will ask my Mentor AE when I see her next and get back to you, or maybe we can find out at U2U next week???

 

I will be there, will you?

 

Thanks,
Vern Wnek, C.I.D.
Manager, PCB Layout, ENG BU / Central Library
Email: vwnek@...

 

From: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dmcando64
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 2:36 PM
To: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DxDesigner_Users] Re: EE2007 binary - How do design teams manage without revision control?

 

Schematic only.
If John finishes one page and moves to the next, expecting it to look the same as it did yesterday, but Dick changed something he wasn't supposed to for whatever reason, how will John feel about that? If John kept the pages under his control this wouldn't happen. This is the scenario we want to eliminate even though it happens rarely because we never make mistakes :)

--- In DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com, "Vernon Wnek" <vwnek@...> wrote:
>
> Schematic or Board Multi user?
>
> In the schematic multi user mode, if a sheet is being worked on by another engineer - it is read only to all others. The other sheets are available.
>
> In the Board files all work together, but additional users are assigned through Extreme for access to the team.
>
> Revision control - is a check in and out function, only done when data is first opened or when saved on each occurrence. Data Manager from Mentor is supposed to handle this, or DMS DataManager. I would look into those tools for more answers on Revision Control.
>
> Thanks,
> Vern Wnek, C.I.D.
> Manager, PCB Layout, ENG BU / Central Library
> Email: vwnek@...<mailto:vwnek@...>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dmcando64
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:25 PM
> To: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DxDesigner_Users] EE2007 binary - How do design teams manage without revision control?
>
>
>
> Looking for ideas here...
>
> If your company uses EE2007.8 and has a team working on the same schematics, how do you manage not to step on each others toes, delete somebody elses work, etc?
>
> Our team uses revision control and it isn't clear how we are going to work with a binary db.
>
> thanks for any suggestions.
>
> david.canfield@...<mailto:david.canfield%40intel.com>
>


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#7820 From: "dmcando64" <david.canfield@...>
Date: Thu Apr 8, 2010 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: Allegro netlist format/syntax 		dmcando64
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We use Allegro, following is the Device file created for a resistor by our
netlist configuration (6173 is our internal stock number)
(Device file for 6173)
PACKAGE SMR0603
CLASS DISCRETE
PINCOUNT 2
PINORDER RES R1 R2
PINUSE RES BI BI
PINSWAP RES R1 R2
FUNCTION G1 RES 1 2
PACKAGEPROP VALUE OHMS
PACKAGEPROP TOL '%'
END

What you may want is an example of a config file instead?

--- In DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com, "aoysgelt" <aleks@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where I can find format/syntax for Allegro
> netlist/device files?  I can figure most of it out but it would be
> nice to have a source to go off.
>
> Thank you
> Aleks
>

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#7821 From: "dmcando64" <david.canfield@...>
Date: Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: I'm looking for DxDatamanager replacement 		dmcando64
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Please reply to Gary's Post, I'm also very interested in this.

--- In DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com, "glameris" <glameris@...> wrote:
>
>
> I am interested in collecting data on storage methods such as
> DxDatamanager.
>
> If anyone has feedback on storage solutions please email me at:
> gary_lameris@... <mailto:gary_lameris@...>
>
> I have included some starter questions below:
>      What data repository method and software does your company use now?
> How many designs you have stored?     How large are the designs stored?
> How do you use revisions?     How many users use the product?     Do you
> use any special features, such as a web interface or explorer interface?
> Are there any improvements you would like to see in storage management
> solutions?     What do you like about DxDataManager?     What don't you
> like about DxDataManager?   Again, my email is:
> gary_lameris@...
> <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DxDesigner_Users/post?postID=Uepx_Km\
> RUaw3hZ9xqjLFDqw33ZdFeMQPYWdhYAEZ5qtpfGLZrAiVuOPN9DtiK7RDffMGdA0j0xV7hm5\
> eLfZnaw>     Thank you Gary Lameris Technical Marketing Engineer, Mentor
> Graphics.
>
> --- In DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com, "ecadman87" <ecadman87@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dxdatamanger is much more than a storage tool. It's a work group
> collaboration tool, version tracking and how the share and control our
> schematics. It's a major part of our flow just as much as Databook. If
> you just use the basic functions, it is simple and easy to use.
>

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#7822 From: Les Embrey <Les.Embrey.dx.pads@...>
Date: Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:37 am
Subject: OT unemployment 		l.embrey
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I found out that Mentor is supporting its users with a place for displaced workers to post their resumes.
Please let your HR and or Bosses know about it.

http://communities.mentor.com/mgcx/community/training_employment


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L.E. Designs
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designs.l.e@...
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cell
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#7823 From: kevin.krause@...
Date: Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:28 pm
Subject: DxDesigner error 		krkrause
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Has anyone seen the error similar to the one shown in the snapshot below?  We are getting this error fairly consistently on many designs.  When this happens we can not get into the design.  If we restore the "database" directory to the previous evening the design will open, but this is getting pretty old.

Thank in advance.




Thank you.

Kevin R. Krause
IS WW GLOBAL APPLICATIONS R+D

Eastman Kodak Company
1999 Lake Avenue -- MC 02217
Rochester, NY 14650

kevin.krause@...
Office: 585-726-4960
Pager: 585-253-3489
www.kodak.com


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#7824 From: kevin.krause@...
Date: Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: DxDesigner error 		krkrause
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Did not know that I could not embed an image into my email. I have added the image as an attachment to this email.

Thanks,


Thank you.

Kevin R. Krause
IS WW GLOBAL APPLICATIONS R+D

Eastman Kodak Company
1999 Lake Avenue -- MC 02217
Rochester, NY 14650

kevin.krause@...
Office: 585-726-4960
Pager: 585-253-3489
www.kodak.com



From: Kevin R. Krause/623057/EKC
To: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com
Date: 04/16/2010 08:28 AM
Subject: DxDesigner error




Has anyone seen the error similar to the one shown in the snapshot below?  We are getting this error fairly consistently on many designs.  When this happens we can not get into the design.  If we restore the "database" directory to the previous evening the design will open, but this is getting pretty old.

Thank in advance.



Thank you.

Kevin R. Krause
IS WW GLOBAL APPLICATIONS R+D

Eastman Kodak Company
1999 Lake Avenue -- MC 02217
Rochester, NY 14650

kevin.krause@...
Office: 585-726-4960
Pager: 585-253-3489
www.kodak.com



1 of 1 Photo(s)


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#7825 From: "tomrwild" <TWild@...>
Date: Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:13 pm
Subject: Re: DxDesigner error 		tomrwild
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It looks like it's related to hierarchy. I'm still on the 2005 release, so I
can't verify easily, but the error message suggests that it's looking for the
'top' block of the design.

Are any symbols incorrectly set as composite type (for heirarchy) instead of
module?

--- In DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com, kevin.krause@... wrote:
>
> Has anyone seen the error similar to the one shown in the snapshot below?
> We are getting this error fairly consistently on many designs.  When this
> happens we can not get into the design.  If we restore the "database"
> directory to the previous evening the design will open, but this is
> getting pretty old.
>
> Thank in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you.
> Kevin R. Krause
> IS WW GLOBAL APPLICATIONS R+D
>
> Eastman Kodak Company
> 1999 Lake Avenue -- MC 02217
> Rochester, NY 14650
>
> kevin.krause@...
> Office: 585-726-4960
> Pager: 585-253-3489
> www.kodak.com
>

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#7826 From: Les Embrey <Les.Embrey.dx.pads@...>
Date: Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:47 pm
Subject: Re: Re: DxDesigner error 		l.embrey
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checking


On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:13 AM, tomrwild <TWild@...> wrote:
 


It looks like it's related to hierarchy. I'm still on the 2005 release, so I can't verify easily, but the error message suggests that it's looking for the 'top' block of the design.

Are any symbols incorrectly set as composite type (for heirarchy) instead of module?

--- In DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com, kevin.krause@... wrote:
>
> Has anyone seen the error similar to the one shown in the snapshot below?
> We are getting this error fairly consistently on many designs. When this
> happens we can not get into the design. If we restore the "database"
> directory to the previous evening the design will open, but this is
> getting pretty old.
>
> Thank in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you.
> Kevin R. Krause
> IS WW GLOBAL APPLICATIONS R+D
>
> Eastman Kodak Company
> 1999 Lake Avenue -- MC 02217
> Rochester, NY 14650
>
> kevin.krause@...
> Office: 585-726-4960
> Pager: 585-253-3489
> www.kodak.com
>




--
Electrical Designer
L.E. Designs
les.embrey.dx.pads@...
designs.l.e@...
617-696-3788
cell
617-455-5884
5 Columbia Park
Milton Ma.02186

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#7827 From: Les Embrey <Les.Embrey.dx.pads@...>
Date: Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: Re: DxDesigner error 		l.embrey
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From what I can tell they are all modules
I made sure because I do nothing with composites



On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:13 AM, tomrwild <TWild@...> wrote:
 


It looks like it's related to hierarchy. I'm still on the 2005 release, so I can't verify easily, but the error message suggests that it's looking for the 'top' block of the design.

Are any symbols incorrectly set as composite type (for heirarchy) instead of module?

--- In DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com, kevin.krause@... wrote:
>
> Has anyone seen the error similar to the one shown in the snapshot below?
> We are getting this error fairly consistently on many designs. When this
> happens we can not get into the design. If we restore the "database"
> directory to the previous evening the design will open, but this is
> getting pretty old.
>
> Thank in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you.
> Kevin R. Krause
> IS WW GLOBAL APPLICATIONS R+D
>
> Eastman Kodak Company
> 1999 Lake Avenue -- MC 02217
> Rochester, NY 14650
>
> kevin.krause@...
> Office: 585-726-4960
> Pager: 585-253-3489
> www.kodak.com
>




--
Electrical Designer
L.E. Designs
les.embrey.dx.pads@...
designs.l.e@...
617-696-3788
cell
617-455-5884
5 Columbia Park
Milton Ma.02186

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#7828 From: "Mriza" <mhammadzia@...>
Date: Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:59 am
Subject: EDIF file Generation process help needed 		mhammadzia
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HI,

I am trying to convert my schematic from DXdesigner to OrCAD.
I am generating EDIF file through EDIF (Tools > export edif and in the pop up
window i am using EDIF schemtic writer tab.

I just want to know about the configration file. I am unable to find it. Can
anyone help me to find it out.

Also do you have an eassy way to convert it.

Its urgent.

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#7829 From: "Vernon Wnek" <vwnek@...>
Date: Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:42 pm
Subject: RE: EDIF file Generation process help needed 		vmwnek
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Good luck, I have tried this before and the EDIF config file seems to be a very guarded secret in the EDIF community. You are best to try 3rd party tools for this conversion. Try Elgris.com

 

Thanks,
Vern Wnek, C.I.D.
Manager, PCB Layout, ENG BU / Central Library
Email: vwnek@...

From: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mriza
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 5:00 AM
To: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DxDesigner_Users] EDIF file Generation process help needed

 

 

HI,

I am trying to convert my schematic from DXdesigner to OrCAD.
I am generating EDIF file through EDIF (Tools > export edif and in the pop up window i am using EDIF schemtic writer tab.

I just want to know about the configration file. I am unable to find it. Can anyone help me to find it out.

Also do you have an eassy way to convert it.

Its urgent.


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#7830 From: hAMMAD ZIA <mhammadzia@...>
Date: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:45 am
Subject: Re: EDIF file Generation process help needed 		mhammadzia
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Thanx for the prompt response. Its there any one having more details.
 
 

Regards,

 

 

Muhammad Hammad Zia

CAD Library

Whizz Systems Inc. (Offshore)

mhammad@...

 

“The only route to success, avenue of Hard Work  & Faith in GODâ€



From: Vernon Wnek <vwnek@...>
To: "DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com" <DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 10:42:55 PM
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_Users] EDIF file Generation process help needed

 

Good luck, I have tried this before and the EDIF config file seems to be a very guarded secret in the EDIF community. You are best to try 3rd party tools for this conversion. Try Elgris.com

 

Thanks,
Vern Wnek, C.I.D.
Manager, PCB Layout, ENG BU / Central Library
Email: vwnek@broadcom. com

From: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DxDesigner_ Users@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Mriza
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 5:00 AM
To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [DxDesigner_ Users] EDIF file Generation process help needed

 

 

HI,

I am trying to convert my schematic from DXdesigner to OrCAD.
I am generating EDIF file through EDIF (Tools > export edif and in the pop up window i am using EDIF schemtic writer tab.

I just want to know about the configration file. I am unable to find it. Can anyone help me to find it out.

Also do you have an eassy way to convert it.

Its urgent.

T


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#7831 From: "Newt" <tnbiggs@...>
Date: Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:27 pm
Subject: Updating to binary DxDesigner 2007 		tnbiggs
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I'm late to this discussion, but I like this analogy. To continue further,
imagine that not only is all the software source code stored in one large binary
database file accessible only through their GUI, but that if several people
wanted to several things at once, they'd all be working on the same database at
the same time, and everything they type goes right into the database, no saving
required!

At our company we are in a similar situation, with many man-years of written
scripts for schematics, symbols, and CVS used across divisions in several
countries. I can just imagine productivity coming to a screeching halt across
the entire company while trying to implement this update, and then things moving
slowly for many months as we went through the painful effort of rewriting
scripts, updating older schematics, and trying to coordinate and debug the
entire process.

I wonder how many companies are in our situation, holding off on updating to the
new DxDesigner (update is really the wrong word--it is really moving to an
entirely new schematic tool). Has Mentor polled their customers?

Of course, as has been mentioned before, this switch opens up the possibility of
other tools. If you are going to go through a major change, it is not that much
more painful to switch tools entirely.

Has anyone looked at Cadence's Concept (or whatever they call it these days)?
(Note that I am -not- talking about Orcad) I hear they store their schematic
pages in ASCII. They use it as Cisco.

--- In DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com, "Don North" <ak6dn@...> wrote:
>
> I am in a similar situation. We treat schematic pages as 'source
> files'. We routinely pass them around to share in different designs,
> treat them as templates and transform them with scripts, and finally
> compile, link, and load them into a PCB board as a completed design.
> We treat a schematic page (or group of pages) as a design element that
> we control and track changes on, checking into and out of a source
> control system as necessary.
>
> I don't see how this is going to work at all in the world of Mentor's
> binary unified design database.
>
> I wonder what source code control mechanism Mentor's programmers are
> using for their EPD tool development environment. Is it a single
> binary database that all source files are contained in, and the only
> access is thru their 'editor' GUI? I doubt it. It's probably CVS or an
> equivalent. They would not think of moving to a system like they have
> foisted on their customers.
>
> They need to understand that schematic hardware design is no different
> a process than is software design. We use similar tool flows and
> processes. The only difference is we use a GUI graphical editor, where
> software development uses a GUI text editor, for source code input.
>
> Wise up, Mentor. Listen to your customers.
>
> --- In DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com, "jacques_chauvin"
> <jacques_chauvin@> wrote:
> >
> > froxxx1,
> >
> > I have a similar problem, we were using a DxDataManager(crappy mentor
> > CVS) in our corporate environment and now are not sure how to
> > redevelop our design flow to accommodate the binary architecture that
> > Mentor has introduced in PADS flow 2007.3 onward.  They no longer
> > provide DxDataManager support beyond 2007.2.  Any suggestions to
> > replace our design exchange would greatly be appreciated.
> >
> > --- In DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com, "froxxx1" <froxxx1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I'm trying to conceive a way to manage schematic projects with a
> > > revision control software with the new 2007 package.  With 2005 (PADs
> > > Flow), I had been using subversion and checking in the project to the
> > > repository, having the PCB designers check out the project, then if
> > > engineering makes a change, they make the change and the PCB designer
> > > updates from the repository.  This allows tracking of history on the
> > > schematics and even allows multiple engineers to edit the schematic at
> > > the same time (conflicts can be managed via subversion because files
> > > are ASCII files).
> > >
> > > Now, we are moving to 2007 Expedition flow and everything is stored in
> > > the iCDB.  If I check in the project to the repository, have the PCB
> > > designer check out the project and during the layout I need to make a
> > > change... If I change my current copy, expedition is still modifying
> > > files in the iCDB so when I check in my changes and he updates his
> > > copy, there will be conflicts, but this time with BINARY files...., so
> > > they are not able to be merged.
> > >
> > > He would have to check in his copy, wait for me to make the change, I
> > > would check in my changes, then he would update.  This loses
> > > concurrency in the design.  The layout person and schematic designer
> > > cannot work on the project at the same time.  If we just use a
> > > networked version of the project, non-revisioned, we could make
> > > concurrent changes to the project and they would be reflected in the
> > > iCDB, BUT... change history would not be recorded, so we could not
> > > track who made what changes when and go back and fix any issues that
> > > may come up.
> > >
> > > Has anyone come up with a solution using a revision control system to
> > > allow a project to be concurrently worked on with 2007 AND keep track
> > > of change history so we can go back to old revisions of the schematics
> > > and verify or revert changes??
> > >
> >
>

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#7832 From: "Vernon Wnek" <vwnek@...>
Date: Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:51 pm
Subject: RE: Updating to binary DxDesigner 2007 		vmwnek
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I have attached a portion of an email from one of our engineers, that has a group using 2007.5 ICDB and CVS for checkin and checkout. I hope it answers some questions.

 

This will be a long email, but hopefully it will contain helpful information.

 

When we check files into CVS, it creates CVS directories that have files containing directory information.  CVS uses these files to determine where to store things in the repository.  If, after cloning a project, the old CVS files are still in the newly-cloned project’s directories, then when we check-in the newly-cloned project, we are actually overwriting the archive of the project that was the source of the clone.  That is why all the CVS directories, all the contents of all the CVS directories, and all files named BOM or BOM.BAK need to be deleted after using the Job Wizard.

 

When we use the Job Wizard to copy a project, it copies *everything*, even if ‘Copy non-essential files’ is unchecked.  Lifeng wrote a Perl script to remove all CVS/BOM/BOM.BAK files so that the painstaking task of going into each subfolder to remove the CVS-related files is done programmatically.  The caveat is the engineer needs to remember to run the script after running the Job Wizard.  I have to ask him where he saved the script so I can send it to you.  However, I believe the two lines the script contains are:

 

find . -type d -name "CVS" -exec rm -rf {} \;

find . -type f -name '*BOM*' -exec rm -rf {} \;

 

Executing these two commands in the project directory in UNIX should take care of all the CVS and BOM files.

 

****************The ../database/s1/files file******************************

I have attached an archive of one of my projects containing CVS directories.  If you unarchive the project, note there is no /database/s1/files file.

Similarly, when you use the Job Wizard to copy a project, it does not copy the /database/s1/files file to the new project.

 

Try the following steps with the attached archive:

1)  Unarchive the project.

2)  Verify there is no ../database/s1/files file.

3)  Open the project in Mentor.  Make a change.  Close the project.

4)  Look in the ../database/s1/ folder.  You will see a file named ‘files’.

5)  Now, delete the ../database/s1/BOM file.

6)  Try to open the project in Mentor.  You will get a ‘Unable to open iCDB connection’ error.  Close Mentor.

7)  Now, open the ../database/s1/files file in a Text Editor (fortunately this is one of the things in Mentor 2007 that is not encoded in binary).  You see that this file archives every single file in the database/s1 folder.  Find the line containing ‘BOM’ (since the BOM file you deleted was in the s1 folder), and delete that line.

8)  Save the ‘files’ file and close it.

9)  Try to open the project in Mentor again.

10)Voila!  There is no iCDB error and the project opens successfully.

 

Again, the ‘files’ file tracks every single file that exists in the s1 subdirectory.  If it can’t find a file in the list when the project is opened, it gives an iCDB error, even if the file it can’t find is non-essential.

 

Consider how Gurmail’s sequence of events below is another demonstration of what I just described.  In his Step 3), when he copies the project using the Project Wizard, the files file is not copied.  Therefore, Mentor doesn’t notice the CVS files he deleted in Step 2 are missing, so he can open the project.  However, as soon he opens the project, Mentor generates a ‘files’ file, and if the tries to delete anything in the s1 directory afterwards, he will get an iCDB error.

 

In fact, if he tries to open his original project after step 2), where he deleted the CVS files, he would also see an iCDB error.  One way to fix this is to remove the entry of the deleted file from the ‘files’ file.  Another approach that seems to work is to just delete the ‘files’ file entirely (although Debi may be able to cite cases where this could be dangerous, as I’m sure Mentor isn’t generating this file just for fun).

 

**************************** MINIMUM FILES REQUIRED TO COPY A MENTOR PROJECT ******************************

When we first started using Mentor, I sent out a diagram of the Mentor project directory and the minimum files that were required to open a project.  That diagram is reproduced here:

 

cid:image001.jpg@01CADCF1.CC6635C0

 

Through trial and error, I found that as long as the files highlighted in blue italics are present, I can open a Mentor 2007 project.  The files above are what we check in to CVS.

 

Additionally, I have written a Windows program that some engineers here use to clone projects.  Unlike the Project Wizard, the program really copies only the essential files (the files highlighted in blue italics).  I tell people this is the best way to clone projects, unless they want to remember to run a UNIX script to remove unneeded files, and, moreover, they need to run it before they open the project, unless they understand what the tool is doing with the ‘files’ file, and at this point I really really really recommend they just use my program.

 

To summarize:

It would be nice if unchecking the ‘Copy non-essential files’ in the Project Wizard resulted in a copied project containing only the files shown in my diagram above (assuming my diagram correctly captures the truly essential Mentor files).

 

Hope this was helpful,

 

Thanks,
Vern Wnek, C.I.D.
Manager, PCB Layout, ENG BU / Central Library
Email: vwnek@...

From: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Newt
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:28 AM
To: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DxDesigner_Users] Updating to binary DxDesigner 2007

 

 

I'm late to this discussion, but I like this analogy. To continue further, imagine that not only is all the software source code stored in one large binary database file accessible only through their GUI, but that if several people wanted to several things at once, they'd all be working on the same database at the same time, and everything they type goes right into the database, no saving required!

At our company we are in a similar situation, with many man-years of written scripts for schematics, symbols, and CVS used across divisions in several countries. I can just imagine productivity coming to a screeching halt across the entire company while trying to implement this update, and then things moving slowly for many months as we went through the painful effort of rewriting scripts, updating older schematics, and trying to coordinate and debug the entire process.

I wonder how many companies are in our situation, holding off on updating to the new DxDesigner (update is really the wrong word--it is really moving to an entirely new schematic tool). Has Mentor polled their customers?

Of course, as has been mentioned before, this switch opens up the possibility of other tools. If you are going to go through a major change, it is not that much more painful to switch tools entirely.

Has anyone looked at Cadence's Concept (or whatever they call it these days)? (Note that I am -not- talking about Orcad) I hear they store their schematic pages in ASCII. They use it as Cisco.

--- In DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com, "Don North" <ak6dn@...> wrote:
>
> I am in a similar situation. We treat schematic pages as 'source
> files'. We routinely pass them around to share in different designs,
> treat them as templates and transform them with scripts, and finally
> compile, link, and load them into a PCB board as a completed design.
> We treat a schematic page (or group of pages) as a design element that
> we control and track changes on, checking into and out of a source
> control system as necessary.
>
> I don't see how this is going to work at all in the world of Mentor's
> binary unified design database.
>
> I wonder what source code control mechanism Mentor's programmers are
> using for their EPD tool development environment. Is it a single
> binary database that all source files are contained in, and the only
> access is thru their 'editor' GUI? I doubt it. It's probably CVS or an
> equivalent. They would not think of moving to a system like they have
> foisted on their customers.
>
> They need to understand that schematic hardware design is no different
> a process than is software design. We use similar tool flows and
> processes. The only difference is we use a GUI graphical editor, where
> software development uses a GUI text editor, for source code input.
>
> Wise up, Mentor. Listen to your customers.
>
> --- In DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com, "jacques_chauvin"
> <jacques_chauvin@> wrote:
> >
> > froxxx1,
> >
> > I have a similar problem, we were using a DxDataManager(crappy mentor
> > CVS) in our corporate environment and now are not sure how to
> > redevelop our design flow to accommodate the binary architecture that
> > Mentor has introduced in PADS flow 2007.3 onward. They no longer
> > provide DxDataManager support beyond 2007.2. Any suggestions to
> > replace our design exchange would greatly be appreciated.
> >
> > --- In DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com, "froxxx1" <froxxx1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I'm trying to conceive a way to manage schematic projects with a
> > > revision control software with the new 2007 package. With 2005 (PADs
> > > Flow), I had been using subversion and checking in the project to the
> > > repository, having the PCB designers check out the project, then if
> > > engineering makes a change, they make the change and the PCB designer
> > > updates from the repository. This allows tracking of history on the
> > > schematics and even allows multiple engineers to edit the schematic at
> > > the same time (conflicts can be managed via subversion because files
> > > are ASCII files).
> > >
> > > Now, we are moving to 2007 Expedition flow and everything is stored in
> > > the iCDB. If I check in the project to the repository, have the PCB
> > > designer check out the project and during the layout I need to make a
> > > change... If I change my current copy, expedition is still modifying
> > > files in the iCDB so when I check in my changes and he updates his
> > > copy, there will be conflicts, but this time with BINARY files...., so
> > > they are not able to be merged.
> > >
> > > He would have to check in his copy, wait for me to make the change, I
> > > would check in my changes, then he would update. This loses
> > > concurrency in the design. The layout person and schematic designer
> > > cannot work on the project at the same time. If we just use a
> > > networked version of the project, non-revisioned, we could make
> > > concurrent changes to the project and they would be reflected in the
> > > iCDB, BUT... change history would not be recorded, so we could not
> > > track who made what changes when and go back and fix any issues that
> > > may come up.
> > >
> > > Has anyone come up with a solution using a revision control system to
> > > allow a project to be concurrently worked on with 2007 AND keep track
> > > of change history so we can go back to old revisions of the schematics
> > > and verify or revert changes??
> > >
> >
>


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#7833 From: greggula <greggula@...>
Date: Tue May 4, 2010 4:47 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Renaming partial net names 		greggula
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Is there an easy way to transfer information from a spreadsheet into the schematic?  Currently it appears that you need to click in numerous locations to enter one piece info such as a net name.  For example you need need to click and copy net name out of spreadsheet, then click on the trace in the schematic, then click in the property window and than paste it in the value area. Is there a way to past directly into the schematic?

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Van Vu <thien_giang_nguyet@...> wrote:

From: Van Vu <thien_giang_nguyet@...>
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 2:27 PM

 
Let's not get brutish and categorize other forum members as 'complaining' when their opinions are merely different from one's own, shall we?
Van


--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Vernon Wnek <vwnek@broadcom. com> wrote:

From: Vernon Wnek <vwnek@broadcom. com>
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: "DxDesigner_ Users@yahoogroup s.com" <DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:27 PM

 
Sounds like the typical complaining.
 
We updated all of our scripts to use the Automation API in the new DxDesigner 2007 tools, and they work faster and are more robust than before with ASCII files. The API works and is there, try it out before complaining next time.
 
Thanks,
Vern Wnek, C.I.D.
Manager, PCB Layout, ENG BU / Central Library
 

From: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DxDesigner_ Users@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Van Vu
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:55 PM
To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names

 
I second that. The move to binary sch files and symbols is a disservice to a lot, if not the majority, of DxDesigner users. We automate a lot of stuff with ASCII files. With ASCII sch, we have our own way of doing variants such that we can import option info to sch from an Excel spreadsheet, generate verbose BOMs/reports by reading the sch and link up with info from our Agile database. With ASCII symbol files, we can do batch changes to them and convert external symbols to meet our internal specs (pin length, spacing, attributes, etc..).
That's why we haven't upgraded our DxDesigner and probably won't anytime soon.
Van

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, simon_fortin_ rdtech <fortin.simon@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: simon_fortin_ rdtech <fortin.simon@ gmail.com>
Subject: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:38 AM

 
Hi Guys,

Mentor Graphics people don't seem to understand that we need some automation tools (for some batch processing) to help us accelerate our work.
They still have no vision in their products...they were supposed to simplify things with version 9 of DxDesigner and they have created a new junky software with less features than the previous versions. From our side, we lost features and functionalities. It was possible to do this kind of batch processing on previous ASCII schematic files, now it is not possible anymore.

Sorry for this complain, but for me life was much easier with my kindy old P-Cad 2004. I had to change from P-Cad to PADS following a corporate decision...But since the, I miss It.

Simon F.
PCB Designer

--- In DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com, "Austin Franklin" <yahoogroups@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> What if you have a couple of hundred nets? Is there any spiffy way to rename them easier than one at a time? Something that rivals a simple search and replace in a simple text editor?
>
> Regards,
>
> Austin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Gary Lameris
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:28 AM
> To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Remaming partial net names
>
>
>
>
> Use the Navigator to rename the nets. Click the net, rename.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> From: tomrwild <TWild@...>
> To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 7:25:02 AM
> Subject: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Remaming partial net names
>
>
> If the EE2007.5 uses the individual schematic ascii files, you can do a search/replace with any good text editor. If you're using iCDB, I think you're stuck doing it manually, but someone else is probably more familiar with that than am I.
>
> Tom
>
> --- In DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com, "paperless.bill" <paperless.bill@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > I am trying to rename multiple nets that have a common name for each net. I need to replace the common part of the net name with a different common name: IE: Net1_charlie, Net2_charlie, Net3_charlie and so forth, I need to change the (_charlie) part of the net name to (_henry) of these nets. I tried the find/replace feature but it wants to change all the nets to (_henry) thus loosing the distinct part of the net name.
> >
> > I am using DxDesigner EE2007.5. I am currently in schematic capturing phase of my design.
> >
> > Any thoughts or help would be appreciated.
> >
>





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#7834 From: Van Vu <thien_giang_nguyet@...>
Date: Tue May 4, 2010 5:19 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Renaming partial net names 		thien_giang_...
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If your schematics are in ASCII, then in them netnames are identified by lines starting with 'N'. You can write a script to read your excel spreadsheet, then open each schematic sheet and read each line. If a line doesn't start with an 'N', just write it out as is. If it starts with an 'N', use regular expression to match and substitute to do the partial rename of the netname, then write it out.
Van

--- On Tue, 5/4/10, greggula <greggula@...> wrote:

From: greggula <greggula@...>
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 9:47 AM

 

Is there an easy way to transfer information from a spreadsheet into the schematic?  Currently it appears that you need to click in numerous locations to enter one piece info such as a net name.  For example you need need to click and copy net name out of spreadsheet, then click on the trace in the schematic, then click in the property window and than paste it in the value area. Is there a way to past directly into the schematic?

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Van Vu <thien_giang_ nguyet@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Van Vu <thien_giang_ nguyet@yahoo. com>
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 2:27 PM

 
Let's not get brutish and categorize other forum members as 'complaining' when their opinions are merely different from one's own, shall we?
Van


--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Vernon Wnek <vwnek@broadcom. com> wrote:

From: Vernon Wnek <vwnek@broadcom. com>
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: "DxDesigner_ Users@yahoogroup s.com" <DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:27 PM

 
Sounds like the typical complaining.
 
We updated all of our scripts to use the Automation API in the new DxDesigner 2007 tools, and they work faster and are more robust than before with ASCII files. The API works and is there, try it out before complaining next time.
 
Thanks,
Vern Wnek, C.I.D.
Manager, PCB Layout, ENG BU / Central Library
 

From: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DxDesigner_ Users@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Van Vu
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:55 PM
To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names

 
I second that. The move to binary sch files and symbols is a disservice to a lot, if not the majority, of DxDesigner users. We automate a lot of stuff with ASCII files. With ASCII sch, we have our own way of doing variants such that we can import option info to sch from an Excel spreadsheet, generate verbose BOMs/reports by reading the sch and link up with info from our Agile database. With ASCII symbol files, we can do batch changes to them and convert external symbols to meet our internal specs (pin length, spacing, attributes, etc..).
That's why we haven't upgraded our DxDesigner and probably won't anytime soon.
Van

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, simon_fortin_ rdtech <fortin.simon@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: simon_fortin_ rdtech <fortin.simon@ gmail.com>
Subject: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:38 AM

 
Hi Guys,

Mentor Graphics people don't seem to understand that we need some automation tools (for some batch processing) to help us accelerate our work.
They still have no vision in their products...they were supposed to simplify things with version 9 of DxDesigner and they have created a new junky software with less features than the previous versions. From our side, we lost features and functionalities. It was possible to do this kind of batch processing on previous ASCII schematic files, now it is not possible anymore.

Sorry for this complain, but for me life was much easier with my kindy old P-Cad 2004. I had to change from P-Cad to PADS following a corporate decision...But since the, I miss It.

Simon F.
PCB Designer

--- In DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com, "Austin Franklin" <yahoogroups@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> What if you have a couple of hundred nets? Is there any spiffy way to rename them easier than one at a time? Something that rivals a simple search and replace in a simple text editor?
>
> Regards,
>
> Austin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Gary Lameris
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:28 AM
> To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Remaming partial net names
>
>
>
>
> Use the Navigator to rename the nets. Click the net, rename.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> From: tomrwild <TWild@...>
> To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 7:25:02 AM
> Subject: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Remaming partial net names
>
>
> If the EE2007.5 uses the individual schematic ascii files, you can do a search/replace with any good text editor. If you're using iCDB, I think you're stuck doing it manually, but someone else is probably more familiar with that than am I.
>
> Tom
>
> --- In DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com, "paperless.bill" <paperless.bill@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > I am trying to rename multiple nets that have a common name for each net. I need to replace the common part of the net name with a different common name: IE: Net1_charlie, Net2_charlie, Net3_charlie and so forth, I need to change the (_charlie) part of the net name to (_henry) of these nets. I tried the find/replace feature but it wants to change all the nets to (_henry) thus loosing the distinct part of the net name.
> >
> > I am using DxDesigner EE2007.5. I am currently in schematic capturing phase of my design.
> >
> > Any thoughts or help would be appreciated.
> >
>






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#7835 From: greggula <greggula@...>
Date: Tue May 4, 2010 7:57 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Renaming partial net names 		greggula
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Thank you Van,
md

--- On Tue, 5/4/10, Van Vu <thien_giang_nguyet@...> wrote:

From: Van Vu <thien_giang_nguyet@...>
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 10:19 AM

 
If your schematics are in ASCII, then in them netnames are identified by lines starting with 'N'. You can write a script to read your excel spreadsheet, then open each schematic sheet and read each line. If a line doesn't start with an 'N', just write it out as is. If it starts with an 'N', use regular expression to match and substitute to do the partial rename of the netname, then write it out.
Van

--- On Tue, 5/4/10, greggula <greggula@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: greggula <greggula@yahoo. com>
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 9:47 AM

 
Is there an easy way to transfer information from a spreadsheet into the schematic?  Currently it appears that you need to click in numerous locations to enter one piece info such as a net name.  For example you need need to click and copy net name out of spreadsheet, then click on the trace in the schematic, then click in the property window and than paste it in the value area. Is there a way to past directly into the schematic?

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Van Vu <thien_giang_ nguyet@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Van Vu <thien_giang_ nguyet@yahoo. com>
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 2:27 PM

 
Let's not get brutish and categorize other forum members as 'complaining' when their opinions are merely different from one's own, shall we?
Van


--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Vernon Wnek <vwnek@broadcom. com> wrote:

From: Vernon Wnek <vwnek@broadcom. com>
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: "DxDesigner_ Users@yahoogroup s.com" <DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:27 PM

 
Sounds like the typical complaining.
 
We updated all of our scripts to use the Automation API in the new DxDesigner 2007 tools, and they work faster and are more robust than before with ASCII files. The API works and is there, try it out before complaining next time.
 
Thanks,
Vern Wnek, C.I.D.
Manager, PCB Layout, ENG BU / Central Library
 

From: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DxDesigner_ Users@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Van Vu
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:55 PM
To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names

 
I second that. The move to binary sch files and symbols is a disservice to a lot, if not the majority, of DxDesigner users. We automate a lot of stuff with ASCII files. With ASCII sch, we have our own way of doing variants such that we can import option info to sch from an Excel spreadsheet, generate verbose BOMs/reports by reading the sch and link up with info from our Agile database. With ASCII symbol files, we can do batch changes to them and convert external symbols to meet our internal specs (pin length, spacing, attributes, etc..).
That's why we haven't upgraded our DxDesigner and probably won't anytime soon.
Van

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, simon_fortin_ rdtech <fortin.simon@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: simon_fortin_ rdtech <fortin.simon@ gmail.com>
Subject: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:38 AM

 
Hi Guys,

Mentor Graphics people don't seem to understand that we need some automation tools (for some batch processing) to help us accelerate our work.
They still have no vision in their products...they were supposed to simplify things with version 9 of DxDesigner and they have created a new junky software with less features than the previous versions. From our side, we lost features and functionalities. It was possible to do this kind of batch processing on previous ASCII schematic files, now it is not possible anymore.

Sorry for this complain, but for me life was much easier with my kindy old P-Cad 2004. I had to change from P-Cad to PADS following a corporate decision...But since the, I miss It.

Simon F.
PCB Designer

--- In DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com, "Austin Franklin" <yahoogroups@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> What if you have a couple of hundred nets? Is there any spiffy way to rename them easier than one at a time? Something that rivals a simple search and replace in a simple text editor?
>
> Regards,
>
> Austin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Gary Lameris
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:28 AM
> To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Remaming partial net names
>
>
>
>
> Use the Navigator to rename the nets. Click the net, rename.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> From: tomrwild <TWild@...>
> To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 7:25:02 AM
> Subject: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Remaming partial net names
>
>
> If the EE2007.5 uses the individual schematic ascii files, you can do a search/replace with any good text editor. If you're using iCDB, I think you're stuck doing it manually, but someone else is probably more familiar with that than am I.
>
> Tom
>
> --- In DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com, "paperless.bill" <paperless.bill@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > I am trying to rename multiple nets that have a common name for each net. I need to replace the common part of the net name with a different common name: IE: Net1_charlie, Net2_charlie, Net3_charlie and so forth, I need to change the (_charlie) part of the net name to (_henry) of these nets. I tried the find/replace feature but it wants to change all the nets to (_henry) thus loosing the distinct part of the net name.
> >
> > I am using DxDesigner EE2007.5. I am currently in schematic capturing phase of my design.
> >
> > Any thoughts or help would be appreciated.
> >
>







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#7836 From: "Gary Lameris" <glameris@...>
Date: Tue May 4, 2010 9:06 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Renaming partial net names 		garyndayton
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The Navigator can be used to easily name nets and components, RMB rename…

 

To add properties to a component, the DxDatabook add in can connect to a database or spreadsheet and update component properties.

 

Scripting hooks are also available depending on what you need to do, and I’m not an expert on that.

 

Gary Lameris

 

From: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greggula
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:48 AM
To: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_Users] Re: Renaming partial net names

 

 

Is there an easy way to transfer information from a spreadsheet into the schematic?  Currently it appears that you need to click in numerous locations to enter one piece info such as a net name.  For example you need need to click and copy net name out of spreadsheet, then click on the trace in the schematic, then click in the property window and than paste it in the value area. Is there a way to past directly into the schematic?

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Van Vu <thien_giang_nguyet@...> wrote:


From: Van Vu <thien_giang_nguyet@...>
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 2:27 PM

 

Let's not get brutish and categorize other forum members as 'complaining' when their opinions are merely different from one's own, shall we?
Van


--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Vernon Wnek <vwnek@broadcom. com> wrote:


From: Vernon Wnek <vwnek@broadcom. com>
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: "DxDesigner_ Users@yahoogroup s.com" <DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:27 PM

 

Sounds like the typical complaining.

 

We updated all of our scripts to use the Automation API in the new DxDesigner 2007 tools, and they work faster and are more robust than before with ASCII files. The API works and is there, try it out before complaining next time.

 

Thanks,
Vern Wnek, C.I.D.
Manager, PCB Layout, ENG BU / Central Library

 

 

From: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DxDesigner_ Users@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Van Vu
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:55 PM
To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names

 

I second that. The move to binary sch files and symbols is a disservice to a lot, if not the majority, of DxDesigner users. We automate a lot of stuff with ASCII files. With ASCII sch, we have our own way of doing variants such that we can import option info to sch from an Excel spreadsheet, generate verbose BOMs/reports by reading the sch and link up with info from our Agile database. With ASCII symbol files, we can do batch changes to them and convert external symbols to meet our internal specs (pin length, spacing, attributes, etc..).
That's why we haven't upgraded our DxDesigner and probably won't anytime soon.
Van

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, simon_fortin_ rdtech <fortin.simon@ gmail.com> wrote:


From: simon_fortin_ rdtech <fortin.simon@ gmail.com>
Subject: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:38 AM

 

Hi Guys,

Mentor Graphics people don't seem to understand that we need some automation tools (for some batch processing) to help us accelerate our work.
They still have no vision in their products...they were supposed to simplify things with version 9 of DxDesigner and they have created a new junky software with less features than the previous versions. From our side, we lost features and functionalities. It was possible to do this kind of batch processing on previous ASCII schematic files, now it is not possible anymore.

Sorry for this complain, but for me life was much easier with my kindy old P-Cad 2004. I had to change from P-Cad to PADS following a corporate decision...But since the, I miss It.

Simon F.
PCB Designer

--- In DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com, "Austin Franklin" <yahoogroups@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> What if you have a couple of hundred nets? Is there any spiffy way to rename them easier than one at a time? Something that rivals a simple search and replace in a simple text editor?
>
> Regards,
>
> Austin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Gary Lameris
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:28 AM
> To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Remaming partial net names
>
>
>
>
> Use the Navigator to rename the nets. Click the net, rename.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> From: tomrwild <TWild@...>
> To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 7:25:02 AM
> Subject: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Remaming partial net names
>
>
> If the EE2007.5 uses the individual schematic ascii files, you can do a search/replace with any good text editor. If you're using iCDB, I think you're stuck doing it manually, but someone else is probably more familiar with that than am I.
>
> Tom
>
> --- In DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com, "paperless.bill" <paperless.bill@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > I am trying to rename multiple nets that have a common name for each net. I need to replace the common part of the net name with a different common name: IE: Net1_charlie, Net2_charlie, Net3_charlie and so forth, I need to change the (_charlie) part of the net name to (_henry) of these nets. I tried the find/replace feature but it wants to change all the nets to (_henry) thus loosing the distinct part of the net name.
> >
> > I am using DxDesigner EE2007.5. I am currently in schematic capturing phase of my design.
> >
> > Any thoughts or help would be appreciated.
> >
>

 


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#7837 From: Van Vu <thien_giang_nguyet@...>
Date: Tue May 4, 2010 9:07 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Renaming partial net names 		thien_giang_...
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Upon rereading this, I think what you meant is renaming the net labels, not renaming net names, which will more likely cause DxDesigner to crash. What you want then is the Label line, something like 'L 1720 1490 12 0 3 0 1 0 IRU_IN', where 'L' denotes declaration of a Label and the last item the Label itself.
Van

--- On Tue, 5/4/10, greggula <greggula@...> wrote:

From: greggula <greggula@...>
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 12:57 PM

 

Thank you Van,
md

--- On Tue, 5/4/10, Van Vu <thien_giang_ nguyet@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Van Vu <thien_giang_ nguyet@yahoo. com>
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 10:19 AM

 
If your schematics are in ASCII, then in them netnames are identified by lines starting with 'N'. You can write a script to read your excel spreadsheet, then open each schematic sheet and read each line. If a line doesn't start with an 'N', just write it out as is. If it starts with an 'N', use regular expression to match and substitute to do the partial rename of the netname, then write it out.
Van

--- On Tue, 5/4/10, greggula <greggula@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: greggula <greggula@yahoo. com>
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 9:47 AM

 
Is there an easy way to transfer information from a spreadsheet into the schematic?  Currently it appears that you need to click in numerous locations to enter one piece info such as a net name.  For example you need need to click and copy net name out of spreadsheet, then click on the trace in the schematic, then click in the property window and than paste it in the value area. Is there a way to past directly into the schematic?

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Van Vu <thien_giang_ nguyet@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Van Vu <thien_giang_ nguyet@yahoo. com>
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 2:27 PM

 
Let's not get brutish and categorize other forum members as 'complaining' when their opinions are merely different from one's own, shall we?
Van


--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Vernon Wnek <vwnek@broadcom. com> wrote:

From: Vernon Wnek <vwnek@broadcom. com>
Subject: RE: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: "DxDesigner_ Users@yahoogroup s.com" <DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:27 PM

 
Sounds like the typical complaining.
 
We updated all of our scripts to use the Automation API in the new DxDesigner 2007 tools, and they work faster and are more robust than before with ASCII files. The API works and is there, try it out before complaining next time.
 
Thanks,
Vern Wnek, C.I.D.
Manager, PCB Layout, ENG BU / Central Library
 

From: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DxDesigner_ Users@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Van Vu
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:55 PM
To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names

 
I second that. The move to binary sch files and symbols is a disservice to a lot, if not the majority, of DxDesigner users. We automate a lot of stuff with ASCII files. With ASCII sch, we have our own way of doing variants such that we can import option info to sch from an Excel spreadsheet, generate verbose BOMs/reports by reading the sch and link up with info from our Agile database. With ASCII symbol files, we can do batch changes to them and convert external symbols to meet our internal specs (pin length, spacing, attributes, etc..).
That's why we haven't upgraded our DxDesigner and probably won't anytime soon.
Van

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, simon_fortin_ rdtech <fortin.simon@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: simon_fortin_ rdtech <fortin.simon@ gmail.com>
Subject: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Renaming partial net names
To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 9:38 AM

 
Hi Guys,

Mentor Graphics people don't seem to understand that we need some automation tools (for some batch processing) to help us accelerate our work.
They still have no vision in their products...they were supposed to simplify things with version 9 of DxDesigner and they have created a new junky software with less features than the previous versions. From our side, we lost features and functionalities. It was possible to do this kind of batch processing on previous ASCII schematic files, now it is not possible anymore.

Sorry for this complain, but for me life was much easier with my kindy old P-Cad 2004. I had to change from P-Cad to PADS following a corporate decision...But since the, I miss It.

Simon F.
PCB Designer

--- In DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com, "Austin Franklin" <yahoogroups@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> What if you have a couple of hundred nets? Is there any spiffy way to rename them easier than one at a time? Something that rivals a simple search and replace in a simple text editor?
>
> Regards,
>
> Austin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Gary Lameris
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:28 AM
> To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Remaming partial net names
>
>
>
>
> Use the Navigator to rename the nets. Click the net, rename.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> From: tomrwild <TWild@...>
> To: DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 7:25:02 AM
> Subject: [DxDesigner_ Users] Re: Remaming partial net names
>
>
> If the EE2007.5 uses the individual schematic ascii files, you can do a search/replace with any good text editor. If you're using iCDB, I think you're stuck doing it manually, but someone else is probably more familiar with that than am I.
>
> Tom
>
> --- In DxDesigner_Users@ yahoogroups. com, "paperless.bill" <paperless.bill@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > I am trying to rename multiple nets that have a common name for each net. I need to replace the common part of the net name with a different common name: IE: Net1_charlie, Net2_charlie, Net3_charlie and so forth, I need to change the (_charlie) part of the net name to (_henry) of these nets. I tried the find/replace feature but it wants to change all the nets to (_henry) thus loosing the distinct part of the net name.
> >
> > I am using DxDesigner EE2007.5. I am currently in schematic capturing phase of my design.
> >
> > Any thoughts or help would be appreciated.
> >
>








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#7838 From: "any.germ" <dirk.schnabel@...>
Date: Wed May 12, 2010 8:08 am
Subject: Re: System variable support in PADs 9.1 DxDesigner 		any.germ
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How can I add the @DATETIME Property to a sheet border? This property is not
visible in the list of available properties in the symbol editor (EE2007.7). I
can add this in DxDesigner, but here I have to do it for each page separately.

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#7839 From: Rich Tanner <rich_tanner@...>
Date: Wed May 12, 2010 8:25 am
Subject: Re: Re: System variable support in PADs 9.1 DxDesigner 		rich_tanner
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Amy,

Last I heard Mentor removed @DATETIME when they switched from ASCII to their new
black-box data-ball system. Among other useful feature that used to work but which
Mentor has removed during various "upgrades" over the years.

In fact, I find it hard to figure out how their black-box data-ball system would even
allow something like @DATETIME to function.

Rich

--- On Wed, 5/12/10, any.germ <dirk.schnabel@...> wrote:

From: any.germ <dirk.schnabel@...>
Subject: [DxDesigner_Users] Re: System variable support in PADs 9.1 DxDesigner
To: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 1:08 AM

How can I add the @DATETIME Property to a sheet border? This property is not visible in the list of available properties in the symbol editor (EE2007.7). I can add this in DxDesigner, but here I have to do it for each page separately.




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#7840 From: Les Embrey <Les.Embrey.dx.pads@...>
Date: Wed May 12, 2010 3:08 pm
Subject: Re: Re: System variable support in PADs 9.1 DxDesigner 		l.embrey
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First Step you have to get it into the Property Definitions
Menu > Tools >  Property Definition Editor
Click the little astrick  blue square on the property list
At the New property add @DATETIME
HIT Apply and then Ok to close
You should find in the Symbol editor when you edit your sheet property that the attribute is not a property you can add to the sheet.

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Rich Tanner <rich_tanner@...> wrote:
 

Amy,

Last I heard Mentor removed @DATETIME when they switched from ASCII to their new
black-box data-ball system. Among other useful feature that used to work but which
Mentor has removed during various "upgrades" over the years.

In fact, I find it hard to figure out how their black-box data-ball system would even
allow something like @DATETIME to function.

Rich

--- On Wed, 5/12/10, any.germ <dirk.schnabel@...> wrote:

From: any.germ <dirk.schnabel@...>
Subject: [DxDesigner_Users] Re: System variable support in PADs 9.1 DxDesigner
To: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 1:08 AM

How can I add the @DATETIME Property to a sheet border? This property is not visible in the list of available properties in the symbol editor (EE2007.7). I can add this in DxDesigner, but here I have to do it for each page separately.




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#7841 From: Les Embrey <Les.Embrey.dx.pads@...>
Date: Wed May 12, 2010 3:09 pm
Subject: Re: Re: System variable support in PADs 9.1 DxDesigner 		l.embrey
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That should be
You should find in the Symbol editor when you edit your sheet property that the attribute is NOW a property you can add to the sheet.
OOPS
Les Embrey

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Les Embrey <les.embrey.dx.pads@...> wrote:

First Step you have to get it into the Property Definitions
Menu > Tools >  Property Definition Editor
Click the little astrick  blue square on the property list
At the New property add @DATETIME
HIT Apply and then Ok to close
You should find in the Symbol editor when you edit your sheet property that the attribute is not a property you can add to the sheet.


On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Rich Tanner <rich_tanner@...> wrote:
 

Amy,

Last I heard Mentor removed @DATETIME when they switched from ASCII to their new
black-box data-ball system. Among other useful feature that used to work but which
Mentor has removed during various "upgrades" over the years.

In fact, I find it hard to figure out how their black-box data-ball system would even
allow something like @DATETIME to function.

Rich

--- On Wed, 5/12/10, any.germ <dirk.schnabel@...> wrote:

From: any.germ <dirk.schnabel@...>
Subject: [DxDesigner_Users] Re: System variable support in PADs 9.1 DxDesigner
To: DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 1:08 AM

How can I add the @DATETIME Property to a sheet border? This property is not visible in the list of available properties in the symbol editor (EE2007.7). I can add this in DxDesigner, but here I have to do it for each page separately.




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#7842 From: Les Embrey <Les.Embrey.dx.pads@...>
Date: Thu May 20, 2010 5:40 pm
Subject: DxDesigner burns me again. 		l.embrey
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In creating a net-list generic or Pads in the config file there is a little item called repack.
What it does is it Reslots or Re-redes's all your Slotted symbols.
If you have a large connector that you are using Slotted parts on and one is not connected to a net or some other minor thing that does not prevent netlisting.
DxDesigner can and will reslot it so that ground now goes to a pin that should have VDD on it or it may even split and add components so instead of one 100 pin connector you now have 5, one for each sheet.
I have been complaining about this since ViewLogic was all DOS.  And I just got burned again.
I forgot that when ever I down load a new upgrade I have to edit the config files I did it for the pads netlister but forgot to do it for the generic.
Luckily I did a back up before doing the netlister.
 Watch out.


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#7843 From: avjohn@...
Date: Thu May 20, 2010 6:29 pm
Subject: Re: DxDesigner burns me again. 		avjohn01
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So why don't you create a corporate WDIR folder, add the path to your WDIR variable, and move the changed config file to that?  Then when you call up the netlist tool, it'll use the corporate WDIR config file instead of the standard one.  We never use the config files in the standard folder.  We've always used config files we've modified.

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In creating a net-list generic or Pads in the config file there is a little item called repack.
What it does is it Reslots or Re-redes's all your Slotted symbols.
If you have a large connector that you are using Slotted parts on and one is not connected to a net or some other minor thing that does not prevent netlisting.
DxDesigner can and will reslot it so that ground now goes to a pin that should have VDD on it or it may even split and add components so instead of one 100 pin connector you now have 5, one for each sheet.
I have been complaining about this since ViewLogic was all DOS.  And I just got burned again.
I forgot that when ever I down load a new upgrade I have to edit the config files I did it for the pads netlister but forgot to do it for the generic.
Luckily I did a back up before doing the netlister.
 Watch out.


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#7844 From: "Vernon Wnek" <vwnek@...>
Date: Thu May 20, 2010 6:35 pm
Subject: RE: DxDesigner burns me again. 		vmwnek
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Agreed, Run all your environment from a Corporate WDIR directory. Config files, INI files, Bom files, etc…

 

One point of control,  “Correct by Construction”

 

Thanks,
Vern Wnek, C.I.D.
Manager, PCB Layout, ENG BU / Central Library

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So why don't you create a corporate WDIR folder, add the path to your WDIR variable, and move the changed config file to that?  Then when you call up the netlist tool, it'll use the corporate WDIR config file instead of the standard one.  We never use the config files in the standard folder.  We've always used config files we've modified.

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In creating a net-list generic or Pads in the config file there is a little item called repack.
What it does is it Reslots or Re-redes's all your Slotted symbols.
If you have a large connector that you are using Slotted parts on and one is not connected to a net or some other minor thing that does not prevent netlisting.
DxDesigner can and will reslot it so that ground now goes to a pin that should have VDD on it or it may even split and add components so instead of one 100 pin connector you now have 5, one for each sheet.
I have been complaining about this since ViewLogic was all DOS.  And I just got burned again.
I forgot that when ever I down load a new upgrade I have to edit the config files I did it for the pads netlister but forgot to do it for the generic.
Luckily I did a back up before doing the netlister.
 Watch out.


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#7845 From: Les Embrey <Les.Embrey.dx.pads@...>
Date: Thu May 20, 2010 9:34 pm
Subject: Re: DxDesigner burns me again. 		l.embrey
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You guys are missing the point
Mentor Graphic and before that Viewlogic have their defaults set wrong.
I should not have to do edit the config file like that at all.
let alone have to use a old config file with new product in a special directory.




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#7846 From: "tomrwild" <TWild@...>
Date: Mon May 24, 2010 1:18 pm
Subject: Re: DxDesigner burns me again. 		tomrwild
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The following attributes are your best friends for slotted connectors (which I
now never use for this reason):

PKG_LOCK
PKG_GRP

I always hand-refdes the connector and apply the lock.

The other comments are valid about corporate WDIRs, and we do use that technique
here, too, but one time a few years ago some eager-beaver young engineer decided
to help out by deselecting the preserve-refdes checkbox in the PWBFWD GUI, and
my connectors were all reslotted (in the 11th hour before submitting to layout).
To make matters worse, I had several of the same connector so it swapped stuff
all over the place.


Tom


--- In DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com, Les Embrey <Les.Embrey.dx.pads@...>
wrote:
>
> In creating a net-list generic or Pads in the config file there is a little
> item called repack.
> What it does is it Reslots or Re-redes's all your Slotted symbols.
> If you have a large connector that you are using Slotted parts on and one is
> not connected to a net or some other minor thing that does not prevent
> netlisting.
> DxDesigner can and will reslot it so that ground now goes to a pin that
> should have VDD on it or it may even split and add components so instead of
> one 100 pin connector you now have 5, one for each sheet.
> I have been complaining about this since ViewLogic was all DOS.  And I just
> got burned again.
> I forgot that when ever I down load a new upgrade I have to edit the config
> files I did it for the pads netlister but forgot to do it for the generic.
> Luckily I did a back up before doing the netlister.
>  Watch out.
>
>
> --
> Electrical Designer
> L.E. Designs
> les.embrey.dx.pads@...
> designs.l.e@...
> 617-696-3788
> cell
> 617-455-5884
> 5 Columbia Park
> Milton Ma.02186
>

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#7847 From: Les Embrey <Les.Embrey.dx.pads@...>
Date: Mon May 24, 2010 4:51 pm
Subject: Re: Re: DxDesigner burns me again. 		l.embrey
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Tom
Work arounds are something that are for getting around bugs.

My Gripe is I should not have to protect my schematics from random redeses and repacking of the slots.

When I lose my mind and want to do something incredibly stupid this is something I should have to deliberately do when I export a netlist.

Think of the fun the engineers could have with extra connectors chips and unexpected connections not called for from the original plans

Les

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:18 AM, tomrwild <TWild@...> wrote:
 

The following attributes are your best friends for slotted connectors (which I now never use for this reason):

PKG_LOCK
PKG_GRP

I always hand-refdes the connector and apply the lock.

The other comments are valid about corporate WDIRs, and we do use that technique here, too, but one time a few years ago some eager-beaver young engineer decided to help out by deselecting the preserve-refdes checkbox in the PWBFWD GUI, and my connectors were all reslotted (in the 11th hour before submitting to layout). To make matters worse, I had several of the same connector so it swapped stuff all over the place.

Tom

--- In DxDesigner_Users@yahoogroups.com, Les Embrey <Les.Embrey.dx.pads@...> wrote:
>
> In creating a net-list generic or Pads in the config file there is a little
> item called repack.
> What it does is it Reslots or Re-redes's all your Slotted symbols.
> If you have a large connector that you are using Slotted parts on and one is
> not connected to a net or some other minor thing that does not prevent
> netlisting.
> DxDesigner can and will reslot it so that ground now goes to a pin that
> should have VDD on it or it may even split and add components so instead of
> one 100 pin connector you now have 5, one for each sheet.
> I have been complaining about this since ViewLogic was all DOS. And I just
> got burned again.
> I forgot that when ever I down load a new upgrade I have to edit the config
> files I did it for the pads netlister but forgot to do it for the generic.
> Luckily I did a back up before doing the netlister.
> Watch out.


>
>
> --
> Electrical Designer
> L.E. Designs
> les.embrey.dx.pads@...
> designs.l.e@...

> 617-696-3788
> cell
> 617-455-5884
> 5 Columbia Park
> Milton Ma.02186
>




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