Wow...........Spencer, I had respect for you but now I am disappointed.
Stick to what you are good at and don't use your e-roll forum for things
like this.   Do you think this will really do any good?  Taxing is based
on things other than emotions for other causes...............   Larry

William Chapman wrote:
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>     *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:03 AM
>     *Subject:* [E-Roll-Collectors] Fwd: FW: Fwd: IRS Complaint
>     (referral) form. Fight to get Mormon Church TAXED!Complete pdf
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----- Original Message -----

From: Spencer Chase

To: E-Roll-Collectors@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:03 AM

Subject: [E-Roll-Collectors] Fwd: FW: Fwd: IRS Complaint (referral) form. Fight to get Mormon Church TAXED!Complete pdf form here. VERY EASY!

Its will be in the mail in 5 minutes!

.

This is a forwarded message from Spencer Chase

please contact me if you need the PDF and it is not attached to your
e-mail.



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Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:19:38 PM
Subject: FW: Fwd: IRS Complaint (referral) form. Fight to get Mormon Church
TAXED!Complete pdf form here. VERY EASY!

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might do so.

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TAXED!Complete pdf form here. VERY EASY!



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Complete pdf form here. VERY EASY!


This is VERY EASY takes about 1-2 minutes. Here is the IRS pdf form #13909 which
EVERYONE needs to fill out then mail, fax or email to the IRS (address, fax #
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Best regards,
Spencer Chase        mailto:spencer@...
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542    Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454    UPS only
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.spencerserolls.com/MidiValve.htm
(707) 984-8356

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Subject: Fwd: IRS Complaint (referral) form. Fight to get Mormon Church TAXED!Complete pdf form here. VERY EASY!

Subject: IRS Complaint (referral) form. Fight to get Mormon Church TAXED! Complete pdf form here. VERY EASY!

This is VERY EASY takes about 1-2 minutes. Here is the IRS pdf form #13909 which EVERYONE needs to fill out then mail, fax or email to the IRS (address, fax # email address is at bottom of form.) Simply fill in date (section 1) name, address, phone & occupation (section 5) then print out and send off as you wish. PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!!  If you would like more information or further instructions, please visit www.dailydoseofqueer.com  T H A N K   Y O U ! ! ! !

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Yet another scam has emerged that we should be aware of.
Somehow, somebody has figured out a way to sniff out email
addresses from within Yahoo.     You may receive an email
seeming to come from somebody claiming to share your interests,
and inviting you to join his "Grouply" group to see his profile,
etc., etc., etc.

To do so, you are required to reveal your Yahoo user ID and
password.

It is being seen by some as a form of identity theft.
certainly a very inappropriate front end.     To see a
discussion about this new threat, have a look at this summary of
discussions on Yahoo Answers.     The URL is so long that I
converted it to a TinyURL.

http://tinyurl.com/4ghpu9

Regards,

Terry

Terry Smythe                           204-832-3982 (land line)
55 Rowand Avenue                   204-981-3229 (cell)
Winnipeg, MB, Canada   R3J 2N6           smythe@...
Preserving a unique slice of our Musical Heritage
http://members.shaw.ca/smythe/rebirth.htm

My name is Channing I am a Female that has Autism the Aspergers form.
I have a major interest in All Kinds of Carillons both the
Traditional Cast Bell Carillon and the Non-Traditional Carillon
(Which would be the Electronic Carillon). My Favorite Electronic
Carillons is Maas-Rowe . I also like the Traditional Carillon  music
of Cast In Bronze and the Traditional Carillon itself. I really would
like to know people that work with and know a lot about Maas-Rowe
Carillon IT WOULD MEAN A LOT TO ME. I would also like to know people
that play a Non-Traditional Carillon ( Which would be Music for the
Electronic Carillon) and I would also like to know people that play a
Traditional Cast Bell Carillon IT WOULD MEAN A LOT TO ME. Some of My
hobbies include pen palling, makeing new friends and listening to
music. My interests include Church Bells-Carillons, Motorcycles,
pets, sports, camping and Movies.I am looking for e-mail pen pals
that promise that they will write back when I send a letter and can
answer short letters with Questions only like for example:
1. Do you have any pets?
2. Do you like music?
3. What type of music do you like?
  Because I work a lot of 25 hour weeks at my Jobs,I  Have a lot of
pen pals both via E-mail and Snailmail and REALLY ENJOY haveing pen
pals both via E-mail and Snailmail  to write to and receive letters
from, I Live in a Group Home which has me doing a lot of activities
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would like to be my pen pal please e-mail me at the e-mails below:

CHANNING28270@...
CHANNING28270@...
CHANCHAN79@...


CHANNING

I have a 1925 Baby grand with the Ampico Player that is working OK.
In the next year I am going to refinish the piano and rebuild the
player. At that time I would like to install a MIDI system so I
could play both Paper & E-Rolls if posible. If this is as much
enjoyment as I think it will be, I hope to restore more of these
pianos.

David McQuaide

--- In E-Roll-Collectors@yahoogroups.com, Spencer Chase
<spencer@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings E-Roll-Collectors,
>
> As usual, I am trying to determine if I can continue to produce the
> E-Roll Player. Due to the low value of the US dollar, parts costs
have
> skyrocketed. I had reduced costs to the point that I would actually
> make some money if I continued the current design but that is not
> possible now. I have a new design in testing that will be cheaper
to
> produce and is made from components that do not have absurd
purchase
> lead times as with the current design. I hope to have a fully
tested
> system together soon and to work out the details of manufacturing
and
> programming the new board. The rest of the system is the same which
> has proven to be very reliable, robust and easy to repair.
>
> I have enough of the old block style (with through holes) that can
be
> built in to systems, once the new boards are proven. This
combination
> of old and new parts (tested with the current valve board)actually
> results in the best performance of any system yet. I had to make
some
> modifications to allow the new coils to fit the old block and this
> resulted in increased performance.
>
> I am writing to ask a few questions.
>
> First, the three (maybe 4) systems that can be built in the near
> future are probably all taken but things can change in time. If you
> might be interested in one, let me know and I'll put you on a list.
>
> Any ideas about the future demand for E-Roll Players would be
helpful.
> I need to determine if I should make another batch which involves
> serious parts price negotiation and tying up a lot of money. The
more
> I build, the lower the cost but the greater risk of having a bunch
of
> money tied up for a long time on a very low profit venture.
>
> How much of a price increase would be possible? Basic system is
$2500
> now. The cost increases add $500 just to build the same design. Is
> $3000 (worthless US dollars) too much for an E-Roll Player? You
could
> buy a medium quality sofa for that much, charge a wide screen TV on
> your credit card and forget about the reproducing piano.
>
> Any success with competing products? I make money selling the E-
Roll
> MIDIs and am continuing to scan and increase my collections. Would
be
> great to just sell the music and let a better business person make
the
> players.
>
> Are people switching to solenoid pianos and giving up on pneumatic
> players. Is the market just too small to bother trying to support
> them?
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Spencer Chase mailto:spencer@...
> 67550 Bell Springs Rd.
> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
> Spencer@...
> http://www.spencerserolls.com
> http://www.spencerserolls.com/MidiValve.htm
> (707) 984-8356
>

I just join the group. Did you sell this system?

David McQuaide


--- In E-Roll-Collectors@yahoogroups.com, "r_balonier" <rbalonier@...>
wrote:
>
> I'm selling my "original" version of the E-Roll Player System as
I've
> never had time to have it installed.  Please check it out.
>

I have a 1925 Baby grand with the Ampico Player that is working OK.
In the next year I am going to refinish the piano and rebuild the
player. At that time I would like to install a MIDI system so I
could play both Paper & E-Rolls if posible. If this is as much
enjoyment as I think it will be, I hope to restore more of these
pianos.

David McQuaide


--- In E-Roll-Collectors@yahoogroups.com, Spencer Chase
<spencer@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings E-Roll-Collectors,
>
> As usual, I am trying to determine if I can continue to produce the
> E-Roll Player. Due to the low value of the US dollar, parts costs
have
> skyrocketed. I had reduced costs to the point that I would actually
> make some money if I continued the current design but that is not
> possible now. I have a new design in testing that will be cheaper
to
> produce and is made from components that do not have absurd
purchase
> lead times as with the current design. I hope to have a fully
tested
> system together soon and to work out the details of manufacturing
and
> programming the new board. The rest of the system is the same which
> has proven to be very reliable, robust and easy to repair.
>
> I have enough of the old block style (with through holes) that can
be
> built in to systems, once the new boards are proven. This
combination
> of old and new parts (tested with the current valve board)actually
> results in the best performance of any system yet. I had to make
some
> modifications to allow the new coils to fit the old block and this
> resulted in increased performance.
>
> I am writing to ask a few questions.
>
> First, the three (maybe 4) systems that can be built in the near
> future are probably all taken but things can change in time. If you
> might be interested in one, let me know and I'll put you on a list.
>
> Any ideas about the future demand for E-Roll Players would be
helpful.
> I need to determine if I should make another batch which involves
> serious parts price negotiation and tying up a lot of money. The
more
> I build, the lower the cost but the greater risk of having a bunch
of
> money tied up for a long time on a very low profit venture.
>
> How much of a price increase would be possible? Basic system is
$2500
> now. The cost increases add $500 just to build the same design. Is
> $3000 (worthless US dollars) too much for an E-Roll Player? You
could
> buy a medium quality sofa for that much, charge a wide screen TV on
> your credit card and forget about the reproducing piano.
>
> Any success with competing products? I make money selling the E-
Roll
> MIDIs and am continuing to scan and increase my collections. Would
be
> great to just sell the music and let a better business person make
the
> players.
>
> Are people switching to solenoid pianos and giving up on pneumatic
> players. Is the market just too small to bother trying to support
> them?
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Spencer Chase        mailto:spencer@...
> 67550 Bell Springs Rd.
> Garberville, CA 95542  Postal service only.
> Laytonville, CA 95454  UPS only.
> Spencer@...
> http://www.spencerserolls.com
> http://www.spencerserolls.com/MidiValve.htm
> (707) 984-8356
>

Greetings E-Roll-Collectors,

I have been producing MIDI files from Reproducing Piano Rolls for about 10
years. I now have a library of over 4000 titles.

I have just finished developing a shopping cart service from which CDs may be
purchased for use on the PianoDisc, Disklavier and PianoMation pianos. Either a
built in CD drive or external CD player may be used. MP3 files are also
available for those who wish to use an IPod or other MP3 player.

I am initially offering 27 stock CDs as well as the ability to order custom CDs
with selections of your choice. Audio (MP3 files) and MIDI samples are available
on the site for all titles. Ordering stock CDs is easy. Ordering custom CDs
requires reading the on site documentation.

The new site is: spencerserolls.com/zencart (Be sure to add the www(.) if
necessary for your browser. I have left it off because some E-mail clients
reject E-mail with embedded links as spam.)

Feedback (comments, criticism, suggestions) is welcome. The many options
available make the site a little confusing. I am especially interested in
learning how to eliminate any such confusion. Please feel free to offer any
comments, positive, negative or neutral. One exception. Please do not tell me I
am commercially exploiting the group. My primary interest is in preserving this
library of music for myself and future generations. It is a huge job and the
monetary compensation is marginal at best.

--
Best regards,
Spencer_Lists Chase
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542  Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454  UPS only.
Lists@spencerserolls(dot)com
(www.)spencerserolls.com
(707) 984-8356

----- Original Message -----

 

 

 

From: Dick & Mary Merchant

To: 'E-Roll Collectors'

Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:49 PM

Subject: [E-Roll-Collectors] new e-mail address

I've got a new e-mail address: it's jdmerchant@windstream.net

Dick

I've got a new e-mail address:  it's  jdmerchant@...

Dick

Greetings r_balonier,

please note that i am still supporting these systems to the fullest extent
possible. i have some spare parts and the various tools needed to support and
repair them but can not offer a warrantee for a 5 year old system. i would also
prefer to not make custom note maps because it has been years since I did this
and it will take a fair amount of time to remember how to do it. so it would be
best if the system were sold to someone who wants to use it with the piano type
for which is is currently configured. there are instructions on the system disc
explaining how to reconfigure the note map but it requires a serial port
connection.

if someone does buy it and needs to have it re-mapped, i will do it for a
reasonable fee for my time. if an extra valve is needed for an Ampico
installation, i can also provide one of those and can also pre-wire it for a
reasonable fee.

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r> I'm selling my "original" version of the E-Roll Player System as I've
r> never had time to have it installed. Please check it out.


r>
--
Best regards,
Spencer Chase        mailto:spencer@...
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville,  CA 95542    Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454    UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.spencerserolls.com/MidiValve.htm
(707) 984-8356

I'm selling my "original" version of the E-Roll Player System as I've
never had time to have it installed.  Please check it out.

Greetings E-Roll-Collectors,

I would like to hear from E-Roll Player customers regarding their
experiences installing and using the system. Did you have any
problems? Was the installation manual adequate, confusing? Were any
problems dealt with appropriately? I would like to compile the answers
in order to determine if any improvements are needed before deciding
whether or not to continue producing this system.

--
Best regards,
Spencer Chase        mailto:spencer@...
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542  Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454  UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.spencerserolls.com/MidiValve.htm
(707) 984-8356

Greetings D.L.,

Thanks for the tip. I changed the setting to moderate new members
postings.

On another topic. I have one E-Roll Player customer who has
continually given me a difficult time. He complains about
documentation design etc. etc. Just recently he told me he is giving
me a hard time as a test, to see what I would do. He has problems with
every installation. Even though he has done several he never seems to
learn from past experience and insists on making "improvements" to
complicate matters.

I have not had serious problems with any other customers. I have
clarified a few issues and provided answers and any necessary support
to customers who have contacted me. Of course I can not know about
problems that have not been brought to my attention. I have received a
few suggestions regarding improvement to the installation manual and
have made changes prompted by those suggestions. I have also received
many compliments on the documentation and ease of installation of
these systems. Please understand that this is a company of one with a
limited market product. I can not hire a staff of technical writers to
perfect the manual.

Please write to the group regarding your experience with installing
the E-Roll Player. If you have written to me directly, I have your
letters in E-mail archives but it is difficult to separate out these
letters from the tens of thousands in my archive so please write to
the group.



Saturday, October 6, 2007, 8:35:33 AM, you wrote:
DLB> Moderator,
DLB> If you set the group to first postings moderated you won't have
DLB> this kind of spam getting through.  You may have to occasionally
DLB> go in and edit someone to never moderated if they have several
DLB> good postings that still kick to moderator but for the most part
DLB> the first post of a spammer will be spam.  You will have to
DLB> approve it and you can ban the member and reject the spam.  This works very
well on my groups.

DLB> Doug L. Bullock

DLB> rofa ash wrote:
DLB> Hi Friends!
DLB> Sometimes u just cant predict what ur gonna find in ur mail! Just
DLB> opened my mail n guess what? insurance  !
DLB>
DLB> http://insurance.yoursfree.biz/

DLB> Have fun Guys, i think am gonna love it here, i just hope somebody
DLB> sends me a mail soon!
DLB>
DLB> Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your
DLB> pocket: mail, news, photos more.


--
Best regards,
Spencer Chase        mailto:spencer@...
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville,  CA 95542    Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454    UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.spencerserolls.com/MidiValve.htm
(707) 984-8356

Hi Friends!
Sometimes u just cant predict what ur gonna find in ur mail! Just
opened my mail n guess what? insurance  !
 
http://insurance.yoursfree.biz/

Have fun Guys, i think am gonna love it here, i just hope somebody
sends me a mail soon!

 

---

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-- D.L. Bullock
www.dougbullock.ws

Greetings Robert,

It is not clear what you are trying to do. It might be best to call as
we could go back and forth over and over trying to figure it out. I
have many scripts that I have written for converting MIDI events. I
probably have what you need or can write it. I do not use CAL for a
variety of reasons. My scripts run in batch mode and are much more
powerful (when necessary) than CAL scripts. If Ron doesn't know how to
set up his own product, I doubt that I can help. I can provide or
write a script to modify the MIDI files to match your setup. 707 984
8356. Today would be a good day to call as I will be spending hours
sealing my deck and can talk on the phone while I do it.

Saturday, September 15, 2007, 11:36:07 AM, you wrote:
r> Hi all,
r> I'm having problems getting my Sustain Pedal to work. I'm using
r> Cakewalk and
r> have installed Ron's UMO midi board. I don't know how to set the
r> sustain
r> controller to activate my pedal. In the board setup program my pedal is
r> on
r> channel 2 and I set it to midi note 64. But don't know how to change
r> the
r> value of the sustain pedal to my pedal settings in the midi file songs.
r> Follow me? I asked Ron at Midiator and he's not sure on how its done.
r> He
r> mentioned the CAL program but I haven't had any luck with that either.
r> Do
r> you have any knowledge on this?

r> Musically, Robert Loeffler
r> www.robertsmusicalrestorations.com

r>

--
Best regards,
Spencer Chase        mailto:spencer@...
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville,  CA 95542    Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454    UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.spencerserolls.com/MidiValve.htm
(707) 984-8356

Hi all,
   I'm having problems getting my Sustain Pedal to work. I'm using
Cakewalk and
have installed Ron's UMO midi board. I don't know how to set the
sustain
controller to activate my pedal. In the board setup program my pedal is
on
channel 2 and I set it to midi note 64. But don't know how to change
the
value of the sustain pedal to my pedal settings in the midi file songs.
Follow me? I asked Ron at Midiator and he's not sure on how its done.
He
mentioned the CAL program but I haven't had any luck with that either.
Do
you have any knowledge on this?

Musically, Robert Loeffler
www.robertsmusicalrestorations.com

Hello Spencer

My '2 penceworth' from the UK

3000 US does not sound like too much to me (even when I add on
import duty, taxes, shipping etc and it gets closer to 4500).
I will certainly be knocking on your door (metaphorically speaking)
in the future, simply a matter of time !

IMHO I believe there will always be a demand for such a product,
albeit a relatively small market. The combination of the old
technology with the new for the best of both worlds (and without
compromising the antique) is a great idea.  (I have a few old bikes
with modern electronic ignition tucked into the magneto - still look
ancient - but now run much better).

A key point to my mind is that the conversion (both pianos and
bikes) is reversible, i.e. none of the 'old' is irretrievably
modified.

Again IMHO - with the continuing 'nostalgia boom' (in the UK anyway)
its difficult to see pneumatic players falling out of favour
altogether.

hope that helps

Regards
Andrew


--- In E-Roll-Collectors@yahoogroups.com, Spencer Chase
<spencer@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings E-Roll-Collectors,
>
> As usual, I am trying to determine if I can continue to produce the
> E-Roll Player. Due to the low value of the US dollar, parts costs
have
> skyrocketed. I had reduced costs to the point that I would actually
> make some money if I continued the current design but that is not
> possible now. I have a new design in testing that will be cheaper
to
> produce and is made from components that do not have absurd
purchase
> lead times as with the current design. I hope to have a fully
tested
> system together soon and to work out the details of manufacturing
and
> programming the new board. The rest of the system is the same which
> has proven to be very reliable, robust and easy to repair.
>
> I have enough of the old block style (with through holes) that can
be
> built in to systems, once the new boards are proven. This
combination
> of old and new parts (tested with the current valve board)actually
> results in the best performance of any system yet. I had to make
some
> modifications to allow the new coils to fit the old block and this
> resulted in increased performance.
>
> I am writing to ask a few questions.
>
> First, the three (maybe 4) systems that can be built in the near
> future are probably all taken but things can change in time. If you
> might be interested in one, let me know and I'll put you on a list.
>
> Any ideas about the future demand for E-Roll Players would be
helpful.
> I need to determine if I should make another batch which involves
> serious parts price negotiation and tying up a lot of money. The
more
> I build, the lower the cost but the greater risk of having a bunch
of
> money tied up for a long time on a very low profit venture.
>
> How much of a price increase would be possible? Basic system is
$2500
> now. The cost increases add $500 just to build the same design. Is
> $3000 (worthless US dollars) too much for an E-Roll Player? You
could
> buy a medium quality sofa for that much, charge a wide screen TV on
> your credit card and forget about the reproducing piano.
>
> Any success with competing products? I make money selling the E-
Roll
> MIDIs and am continuing to scan and increase my collections. Would
be
> great to just sell the music and let a better business person make
the
> players.
>
> Are people switching to solenoid pianos and giving up on pneumatic
> players. Is the market just too small to bother trying to support
> them?
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Spencer Chase        mailto:spencer@...
> 67550 Bell Springs Rd.
> Garberville, CA 95542  Postal service only.
> Laytonville, CA 95454  UPS only.
> Spencer@...
> http://www.spencerserolls.com
> http://www.spencerserolls.com/MidiValve.htm
> (707) 984-8356
>

Hi Spencer,

From my point of view the increase in price you are contemplating is still in
keeping with the value of the system.  I am still a strong advocate for the
retro-fitting of pnuematic reproducing pianos with e-valve systems in order to
get the maximum enjoyment from these beautiful older instruments.

Your system (in my opinion) is one of the best on the market, for its
compactness, ease of installation and reliability.

I suppose in the bigger picture the market for e-valve systems is somewhat
limited (relatively small number of pianos and only small number of the owners
of those pianos that want the system installed).  A more concentrated/intense
marketing scheme might allow you to penetrate the market deeper to make it
somewhat more advantageous for production.

As to your other questions, I just don't know.

Regards,
Alan Turner
>
> From: Spencer Chase <spencer@...>
> Date: 2007/08/21 Tue AM 11:30:30 CDT
> To: "E-Roll-Collectors@yahoogroups.com" <E-Roll-Collectors@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [E-Roll-Collectors] E-Roll Player status and questions
>
> Greetings E-Roll-Collectors,
>
> As usual, I am trying to determine if I can continue to produce the
> E-Roll Player. Due to the low value of the US dollar, parts costs have
> skyrocketed. I had reduced costs to the point that I would actually
> make some money if I continued the current design but that is not
> possible now. I have a new design in testing that will be cheaper to
> produce and is made from components that do not have absurd purchase
> lead times as with the current design. I hope to have a fully tested
> system together soon and to work out the details of manufacturing and
> programming the new board. The rest of the system is the same which
> has proven to be very reliable, robust and easy to repair.
>
> I have enough of the old block style (with through holes) that can be
> built in to systems, once the new boards are proven. This combination
> of old and new parts (tested with the current valve board)actually
> results in the best performance of any system yet. I had to make some
> modifications to allow the new coils to fit the old block and this
> resulted in increased performance.
>
> I am writing to ask a few questions.
>
> First, the three (maybe 4) systems that can be built in the near
> future are probably all taken but things can change in time. If you
> might be interested in one, let me know and I'll put you on a list.
>
> Any ideas about the future demand for E-Roll Players would be helpful.
> I need to determine if I should make another batch which involves
> serious parts price negotiation and tying up a lot of money. The more
> I build, the lower the cost but the greater risk of having a bunch of
> money tied up for a long time on a very low profit venture.
>
> How much of a price increase would be possible? Basic system is $2500
> now. The cost increases add $500 just to build the same design. Is
> $3000 (worthless US dollars) too much for an E-Roll Player? You could
> buy a medium quality sofa for that much, charge a wide screen TV on
> your credit card and forget about the reproducing piano.
>
> Any success with competing products? I make money selling the E-Roll
> MIDIs and am continuing to scan and increase my collections. Would be
> great to just sell the music and let a better business person make the
> players.
>
> Are people switching to solenoid pianos and giving up on pneumatic
> players. Is the market just too small to bother trying to support
> them?
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Spencer Chase        mailto:spencer@...
> 67550 Bell Springs Rd.
> Garberville, CA 95542  Postal service only.
> Laytonville, CA 95454  UPS only.
> Spencer@...
> http://www.spencerserolls.com
> http://www.spencerserolls.com/MidiValve.htm
> (707) 984-8356
>
>
>

Greetings E-Roll-Collectors,

As usual, I am trying to determine if I can continue to produce the
E-Roll Player. Due to the low value of the US dollar, parts costs have
skyrocketed. I had reduced costs to the point that I would actually
make some money if I continued the current design but that is not
possible now. I have a new design in testing that will be cheaper to
produce and is made from components that do not have absurd purchase
lead times as with the current design. I hope to have a fully tested
system together soon and to work out the details of manufacturing and
programming the new board. The rest of the system is the same which
has proven to be very reliable, robust and easy to repair.

I have enough of the old block style (with through holes) that can be
built in to systems, once the new boards are proven. This combination
of old and new parts (tested with the current valve board)actually
results in the best performance of any system yet. I had to make some
modifications to allow the new coils to fit the old block and this
resulted in increased performance.

I am writing to ask a few questions.

First, the three (maybe 4) systems that can be built in the near
future are probably all taken but things can change in time. If you
might be interested in one, let me know and I'll put you on a list.

Any ideas about the future demand for E-Roll Players would be helpful.
I need to determine if I should make another batch which involves
serious parts price negotiation and tying up a lot of money. The more
I build, the lower the cost but the greater risk of having a bunch of
money tied up for a long time on a very low profit venture.

How much of a price increase would be possible? Basic system is $2500
now. The cost increases add $500 just to build the same design. Is
$3000 (worthless US dollars) too much for an E-Roll Player? You could
buy a medium quality sofa for that much, charge a wide screen TV on
your credit card and forget about the reproducing piano.

Any success with competing products? I make money selling the E-Roll
MIDIs and am continuing to scan and increase my collections. Would be
great to just sell the music and let a better business person make the
players.

Are people switching to solenoid pianos and giving up on pneumatic
players. Is the market just too small to bother trying to support
them?

--
Best regards,
Spencer Chase        mailto:spencer@...
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542  Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454  UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.spencerserolls.com/MidiValve.htm
(707) 984-8356

Greetings E-Roll-Collectors,

Just found out that there is a MIDI playlist player for the Mac that
looks promising. I do not have a make where I am so I can not test it
but the screenshots and information on the web site look very good.
Here is the link. Please report to the group any success or problems.
It costs $25 and has piano roll view, keyboard etc.

http://www.fracturedsoftware.com/rondo/#purchase

--
Best regards,
Spencer Chase        mailto:spencer@...
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542  Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454  UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.spencerserolls.com/MidiValve.htm
(707) 984-8356

A few weeks ago, in response to concerns and confusion about
just what is an e-roll, as opposed to midi, I posted a graphic
display on my web site.

Subsequent to that, Walter Tenten advised me that he too put
together a document on same topic for his colleagues in Germany,
published in "Das Mechanische Musikinstrument".     Walter
kindly translated it for us and it is now posted on my web site
at:

http://members.shaw.ca/talia122/e-rolls_02.htm

It is also available as a clickable link off:

http://members.shaw.ca/talia122/e-rolls.htm

Which also includes a clickable link to Warren Trachtman's
description on same topic:

http://www.trachtman.org/rollscans/scanningbackground.htm

Hopefully, these 3 web pages will help clarify just what is an e-
roll within generally accepted midi standards.

Regards,

Terry

Terry Smythe                           204-832-3982 (land line)
55 Rowand Avenue                   204-981-3229 (cell)
Winnipeg, MB, Canada   R3J 2N6           smythe@...
Preserving a unique slice of our Musical Heritage
http://members.shaw.ca/smythe/rebirth.htm

Up on MMD, Bob Taylor and Robbie Rhodes have expressed some
concerns about midi files and eroll files.   It's a concern that
emerges often.

In an attempt to shed a little light on just what is the basic
difference between a midi type 1 file and an e-roll, I've put
together a web page illustrating the basic difference.   It may
be seen at:

http://members.shaw.ca/talia122/e-rolls.htm

This page outlines a few basic considerations, invites a quick
look at Larry Doe's MK4 scanner, then hit "back" to return to
the e-rolls page.     At end, it provides for returning to an e-
valves page I put together about a year ago.

This e-roll page "What Is An E-roll?" is also available as a
clickable menu item off my E-valves page:

http://members.shaw.ca/smythe/e-valves.htm

Hope this helps a little to provoke some discussion about e-
rolls and midi files.    I do not purport to be an expert on
midi.   Others much more knowledgeable than I will hopefully
join in the discussion.

Regards,

Terry

Terry Smythe                           204-832-3982 (land line)
55 Rowand Avenue                   204-981-3229 (cell)
Winnipeg, MB, Canada   R3J 2N6           smythe@...
Preserving a unique slice of our Musical Heritage
http://members.shaw.ca/smythe/rebirth.htm

Karl Ellison pointed me to this interesting news item,
appreciated:

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/beaconnews/business/420418,2_3
_AU10_PIANO_S1.article

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Beacon News
Chicago, IL, USA
10 June 2007

TICKLING THE TECHNOLOGY

Electronics play key role in new piano development

By Marissa Amoni

More than 100 years after the player piano was invented, it has
moved into the wide world of computer technology. It is no
longer just the background element in spooky films or smoky
saloons. Instead of musical notes eerily wandering down a
desolate hallway, picture neon glowing piano keys playing along
to Nora Jones in high definition.

Computer-activated solenoids have replaced rolls of paper in the
latest models of player pianos. And most pianos can be
retrofitted to serve without the accompaniment of two hands.
Laptops and iPods can be hooked up to equipped pianos to play
songs that are stored in playlists. No lessons needed.

"I don't think people are aware what there is available in music
technology. It has not passed up music," said Diane Cordogan.
Diane and her brother, John, own Cordogan's Pianoland on Route
38 east of Kirk Road in Geneva.

Cordogan's recently hosted an afternoon featuring manufacturer
demonstrations on the latest in piano technology. Sales managers
from Yamaha, QRS and PianoDisc showcased their brand's newest
piano accessories to almost two-dozen in attendance.

The focus of the dealers' presentations was on the ability to
play compact discs or DVDs and have a piano play the music live.
Slender black boxes attach to the undersides of the player
pianos and act as media centers accepting discs as well as USB
storage drives and memory cards.

"You can listen to beautiful piano music. It is unique and
different," said Terry Dolan of QRS Music Technologies and Story
& Clark Pianos.

Pianomation is QRS' take on the player piano of today. As with
the other systems, it works using analog and digital technology
and can be upgraded to provide numerous additional features.

"The system is so universal you can adapt anything to the front
end," Dolan said.

Add PNOscan and music played from the piano is recorded onto a
compact flash card by way of optical sensors. A library of music
can be stored on the card, he said.

"It's really cutting edge," said John Sagissor of PianoDisc,
referring to their latest player system that enables an iPod to
dock on a piano. Once combined with the "smart" player system
called iQ, music can be played on a piano from MP3 players,
discs and iTunes. It also can be connected to audio recording
software.

"It is the bridge between piano and home entertainment system,"
he said about the imbedded iQ system, which sells for around
$7,000. But that is just a start at merging pianos with modern
tech gadgets. Drop $20K and the company will bring extreme
multimedia to the piano with Opus 7. A hidden system that offers
wireless control, Opus 7 boasts a multitude of possibilities
that can be directed by a touchpad or other web-enabled device.

An architect who attended the event said that homes could be pre-
wired before they are built to easily welcome "smart" pianos.

And once owners are inspired enough to actually learn to play
the piano, the Yamaha Disklavier Mark IV eases the learning
curve with SmartKey technology. Keys wiggle, fingers follow and
soon a piano virtuoso is born.

Young pianists in the making can gain note knowledge with
assistance from Old MacDonald's farm animals. Piano keys "bark"
and "cluck" when hit correctly while the song appears in its
animated form via DVD.

Ironically enough, the first Disklavier MX100 was sold in 1985
to a McDonald's Restaurant in Limon, Colo.

Yamaha also has introduced into its player piano the option of
connecting a video camcorder to jacks in the piano to create
videotaped performances. The same PianoSmart audio and video
synchronization makes it possible to give or receive piano
lessons from a remote location.

Mike Urguhart with Yamaha said people are "mesmerized by what it
can do. You can recreate moments...you can program it to wake
you up with its eleven channels of streaming radio."

Those looking for a player piano can plan on spending $10,000
and up, said Diane Cordogan. She said the market for them is
much more residential, but they are seeing a lot of music
schools too. "We do a lot of homes, but it is all avenues --
it's not limited," she said.

And if the game room budget allows, a martini bar piano that
lights up glasses, coasters and piano keys in a rainbow of
colors costs under $20,000.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Terry Smythe                           204-832-3982 (land line)
55 Rowand Avenue                   204-981-3229 (cell)
Winnipeg, MB, Canada   R3J 2N6           smythe@...
Preserving a unique slice of our Musical Heritage
http://members.shaw.ca/smythe/rebirth.htm

Hello everyone, my name is Larry.  My interest in e-rolls stems from
several areas.  When I was in elementary school, my folks bought a
Pianola player piano and I took piano lessons.  The lessons didn't
take, but I enjoyed many of the QRS rolls that my folks bought.  Years
later the piano and rolls went to my older brother (12 years older...)
and, years after that he got rid of the piano and rolls (darn).  I
ended up getting a Baldwin Pianovelle PG2500 electronic piano for
playing music (3/5" diskettes, playing MIDI files, Disklavier disks,
and PianoDisc disks), so that my sons (15 and 5) could take lessons,
and so we could enjoy 'pre-recorded' music without the stereo.  I'm
interested in getting/enjoying old piano rolls that have been
converted to MIDI files, and maybe someday actually helping to convert
old rolls to MIDI files (I also just joined the RollScanners group).
I've been into MIDI since it first came out, and have a collection of
MIDI synthesizer and sampler modules, all controlled from multiple
Atari 16 and 32 bit computers.  I am also working on an analog modular
synthesizer and hope to do composition work with all the equipment
that I've collected over the years.  I have started a web site for my
hobbies at http://www.tfcg.biz/larry so please check it out.  I'm
looking forward to what every may come up and I hope to be able to add
value to the group as well as learning a few things.

Larry T.