David Howe writes:
Bruce, Remy, etc.,
Bruce wrote below:
"Naturally you cannot get more energy out that is put in unless you
create a type of vacuum that draws energy out to the ground like
Tesla did"
This type of stuff is written by free energy people who are just smart
enough to understand that claiming a direct violation of the First Law
of Thermodynamics (conservation of energy) destroys one's credibility
before he's even finished uttering the statement. "Nope, we're not
creating energy. We're tapping into a huge unknown reservoir that we've
discovered."
[ Ok, what do you know about bioelectromagnetism. Have you read all the
studies about the transmutation of elements in the human body? These are
real medical studies, done by major Universities. They acknowledge the fact
that there are energy anomalies in living systems. If indeed we were smart
enough to understand them, it wouldn't be such a mysterious subject clouded
by "believers" and "non-believers". Your argument is an old argument. It's
stereo-typical of the debunking crowd. I personally don't have time for this
sort of thing. Take it to Infinite Energy magazine or New Energy News. There
is such a thing as the zero-point in physics. There is such a thing as the
Casimir effect. There are "anomalies" and things we don't understand. If
your stance is that all this research is futile, then why bother us? ]
In my tiny "linear" way of thinking, claiming to tap a heretofore
unknown reservoir of energy, such as ZPE or your "vacuum that draws
energy out of the ground", is just as good as claiming to produce energy
out of nothingness.
[ Your nothingness is an another man's void, is another man's aether. These
again are old arguments. Read some Eastern texts. For your information
physicists trained in India for example have a lot less resistance to
"comprehending" the Tao of physics "thing". We're not limited to four
dimensions you know. ]
Either way, I suspect that claim would satisfy the
requirements of any number of skeptical "free energy challenge" prizes.
And tiny infinitesimal forces such as the Casimir experiment don't
count.
[ And why not? First a trickle, then a torrent. Things have to start
somewhere. Casimir is a window. Don't just look in, step inside! ]
We need proof of something on the order of magnitude required to
make the claims work (e.g. hundreds or thousands of Watts).
Bruce also wrote:
"Inventors have disappeared who have tried to market high milage
carbs like Art Fisher."
This is another excuse
[ It's not an excuse. There are many cases of inventors getting in trouble
with the law for one thing or another. A good example of this is Wilhelm
Reich. Madness & Genius come with the territory. It's a very fine line. One
that needs to be nurtured to foster the mother of invention. ]
offered up by virtually all supporters of free
energy claims to explain why there is no evidence of these claims. It
only goes to further damage your credibility.
[ ET doesn't need credibility with the scientific community. It needs
credibility with its readers for following through on all potential leads
for answers and solutions to the transportation crisis. We NEVER had
credibility with the automobile industry to begin with for creating a
magazine solely dedicated to EVs. Now the automobile industry comes to us
for marketing strategy! How times have changed. I came on board with ET and
Bruce because I saw in ET an opportunity to finally create a magazine
dedicated to EVs which will rank along with Car & Driver or Motor Trend. We
have a long way to go, but we're way ahead of anybody else out there. ]
Initially, I thought Electrifying Times was a reputable magazine for
the electric vehicle industry.
[ It still is. Are you going to tell me Popular Mechanics is no longer
popular with mechanics because it's written about UFOs at AREA 51? ]
But my opinion changed when I saw the
article at http://www.electrifyingtimes.com/australianinventors.html
This article ends with "Subscribe to Electrifying Times to learn all
the details of this earthshaking discovery!"
[ Bruce has been doing stuff like this for years. I hate it myself. It's an
overstated sales pitch. It's kinda crass. It's like selling Ginsu knives or
thigh masters. But hey, so what? It works. People click and buy
subcriptions, which keeps the magazine going. I just wish Bruce and the ET
staff would get a little bit more sophisticated. The New York Times does the
same thing, it's just a lot more insidious. Read AdBusters and Vance Packard
books if you have a problem with marketing tactics and how publicity warps
public will. ]
Perhaps you should also include a link to:
http://www.skeptics.com.au/features/spoon/bs-lutec.htm
to show that this device *was* investigated and found to perform a
little differently than Britts and Christie claimed.
[ ALL the folks at those skeptical societies remind me of Asimov, who jobbed
his books out to a staff of dozens of unpaid interns and never gave them any
credit for their labor! Their arguments, like yours, lack nuance, and
distort the issues as much as the Gong Ho FE new age gullibles. The truth
lies somewhere in between. ]
You do your
readers a great disservice to only publish the fantasy hype, and leave
out the scientific investigation.
[ Then write a proper letter to the editor, and it will be included in the
next print issue. ]
But I guess you're looking to sell
subscriptions.
[ If selling subcriptions was our only motive, we'd be selling SUVs. Give us
at least more credit than that. ET's purpose is to find alternatives to the
internal combustion engine, or at least to dirty carbon based fuels. Don't
be an arm-chair critic. Contribute research and let the market do its thing.
Someone comes to us with something, we give them a forum. If the thing
doesn't work, it doesn't work. On to the next thing. But let the readers
decide, not some panel of stuffy shirts bummed out by time or stigmatized by
convention. We won't know until we try. You just assume from the start that
things won't work. With that kind of attitude, EV drag racing would still be
a fantasy as well. Remy C. ]
Sorry about that. I wasn't watching the headers.
In your next issue can we expect a Britts/Christie follow-up article
that references the Australian Skeptics investigation at
http://www.skeptics.com.au/features/spoon/bs-lutec.htm and
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/orthogonal/skep/lutec1.pdf?
The "LUTEC Inventors' Response" at the end of that .pdf article is
hilarious. Including such a followup would go a long way toward
demonstrating that the editorial board at Electrifying Times is
interested in providing factual information.
Please. Electric vehicles, fuel cell vehicles, hybrid gasoline/electric
vehicles, etc., are the way of the future. Don't taint them by
including transparent scams like LUTEC in your publication. You only
do yourselves, and your readers, a major disservice.
>From: "Remy C." <remyc@...>
>Reply-To: "Remy C." <remyc@...>
>To: "David Howe" <dhowe17@...>, <etimes@...>,
><ETList@yahoogroups.com>, <free_energy@yahoogroups.com>
>CC: <JCarey9622@...>, <jbryan4@...>
>Subject: Re: [ETList] Re: Allen Caggiano's Carburator
>Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:22:00 -0500
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>David,
>No need to double cc your replies to me and Bruce if you send to the ET
>list.
>That's what the list is for.
>Thanks.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Howe" <dhowe17@...>
>To: <etimes@...>; <ETList@yahoogroups.com>;
><free_energy@yahoogroups.com>
>Cc: <remyc@...>; <JCarey9622@...>; <jbryan4@...>
>Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 2:33 PM
>Subject: Re: [ETList] Re: Allen Caggiano's Carburator
>
>
>Bruce, Remy, etc.,
>
>Bruce wrote below:
>
> "Naturally you cannot get more energy out that is put in unless you
> create a type of vacuum that draws energy out to the ground like
> Tesla did"
>
>This type of stuff is written by free energy people who are just smart
>enough to understand that claiming a direct violation of the First Law
>of Thermodynamics (conservation of energy) destroys one's credibility
>before he's even finished uttering the statement. "Nope, we're not
>creating energy. We're tapping into a huge unknown reservoir that we've
>discovered."
>
>In my tiny "linear" way of thinking, claiming to tap a heretofore
>unknown reservoir of energy, such as ZPE or your "vacuum that draws
>energy out of the ground", is just as good as claiming to produce energy
>out of nothingness. Either way, I suspect that claim would satisfy the
>requirements of any number of skeptical "free energy challenge" prizes.
>And tiny infinitesimal forces such as the Casimir experiment don't
>count. We need proof of something on the order of magnitude required to
>make the claims work (e.g. hundreds or thousands of Watts).
>
>Bruce also wrote:
>
> "Inventors have disappeared who have tried to market high milage
> carbs like Art Fisher."
>
>This is another excuse offered up by virtually all supporters of free
>energy claims to explain why there is no evidence of these claims. It
>only goes to further damage your credibility.
>
>Initially, I thought Electrifying Times was a reputable magazine for
>the electric vehicle industry. But my opinion changed when I saw the
>article at http://www.electrifyingtimes.com/australianinventors.html
>This article ends with "Subscribe to Electrifying Times to learn all
>the details of this earthshaking discovery!"
>
>Perhaps you should also include a link to:
>http://www.skeptics.com.au/features/spoon/bs-lutec.htm
>to show that this device *was* investigated and found to perform a
>little differently than Britts and Christie claimed. You do your
>readers a great disservice to only publish the fantasy hype, and leave
>out the scientific investigation. But I guess you're looking to sell
>subscriptions.
>
>
>
>
> >From: "bruce meland" <etimes@...>
> >To: <ETList@yahoogroups.com>, <dhowe17@...>
> >CC: "Remy C." <remyc@...>, <JCarey9622@...>, "John Bryan"
> ><jbryan4@...>
> >Subject: Re: [ETList] Re: Allen Caggiano's Carburator
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> >D Howe;You are completely out of the loop in this new technology.
>Naturally
> >you cannot get more energy out that is put in unless you create a type of
> >vacuum that draws energy out to the ground like Tesla did in case of
> >electric motors or from rods sucking in small electromagnetic particles
> >in
> >space like neutrinos . There are patents on this high resonance ZPE
>space
> >vacuum technology by high up Edwards AFB PHD's Please get caught up with
> >whats really going on in these fields. Inventors have disappeared who
>have
> >tried to market high milage carbs like Art Fisher. we are investigating
> >Allans patents and drawings before we decide to promote the technology
> >farther. thanks for your comments Bruce Meland editor Electrifying Times
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <dhowe17@...>
> >To: <ETList@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 6:16 AM
> >Subject: [ETList] Re: Allen Caggiano's Carburator
> >
> >
> >From: "Remy C." <electrifyingtimes@h...>
> >Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 8:10 pm
> >Subject: Allen Caggiano's Carburator
> >
> > >Posted by Bruce Meland:
> > >The Preview 2002 edition of Electrifying Times published a feature
> > >article on high mileage carburetors and their suppression by the oil
> > >and auto companies.
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >I would strongly recommend that Electrifying Times distance themselves
> >from nutcase science like Britts' and Christie's magic motor (Lutec),
> >or "suppressed high mileage carburetors". It hurts ET's credibility.
> >
> >Electric vehicles, hybrid gasoline/electric, fuel cells, etc., are
> >the way of the future. They are legitimate science and will
> >eventually displace conventional IC engine vehicles.
> >
> >But magic motors that supposedly produce more power than they consume,
> >high mileage carburetors suppressed by sinister forces from the auto
> >and oil industries, water powered cars ala Stanley Meyer, free
> >electricity from Dennis Lee, and other scams are the stuff of science
> >fiction. They have been debunked time and time again, and all their
> >supporters can do is cry conspiracy. If any of them really worked,
> >they'd already have the Nobel Prize. The Romans couldn't suppress
> >Jesus Christ. There's no way anybody could suppress a simple answer
> >to the world's energy problems.
> >
> >Please, don't let Electrifying Times get tainted by the bizarre
> >fantasies of diseased minds. Stick to real science like PEM and
> >solid oxide fuel cells, hydrogen storage via metal hydrides and
> >carbon nanotubes, and near-room-temperature superconducting materials
> >in electric motors for ultra-high efficiency.
> >
> >There's a lot of real science to be done. Don't waste your time
> >with the nutcase pseudoscience. If you need help distinguishing the
> >two, there are a lot of real scientists willing to help.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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ETIC to Include Extensive "Ride 'n Drive" Event
The Electric Vehicle Association of the Americas (EVAA) recently announced
that the "Ride 'n Drive" event during its upcoming Electric Transportation
Industry Conference (ETIC) will feature approximately 40 hybrid electric and
battery-powered vehicles, as well as a large number of fuel cell vehicles.
The conference, titled "Electric Transportation Industry Conference:
Battery, Hybrid and Fuel Cell Technologies," will be held December 11
through 14 in Sacramento, CA.
EVAA said the ETIC's "Ride 'n Drive" event will be held on December 14
between 8:00 a.m. and 2:00 p.m. at the California Fuel Cell Partnership
facility in west Sacramento.
"With the rapidly expanding availability of battery and hybrid electric
drive options to the commercial marketplace, and the incredible progress
being made to bring forward viable fuel cell vehicles, a conference with
only the 'talking head' makes no sense," said EVAA executive director Kateri
Callahan. "Conference delegates need to be able to 'kick the tires' and get
behind the wheels of these emerging technologies."
Fuel cell vehicles (FCVs) that will be featured at the ride and drive
include a Hyundai Santa Fe FCV, a Toyota Highlander-based FCHV-4, a
DaimlerChrysler NECAR 4/5 FCV, the Honda FCX, Ford's P2000, and a Ford Focus
FCV. Hybrid electric vehicle (HEV) offerings at the event will include a
Honda Civic HEV, the Toyota Prius, the Honda Insight and a Volkswagen Jetta
HEV.
Battery-powered electric vehicles (EVs) to be featured at the event will
include a Toyota RAV-4 EV, a Ford Th!nk City EV, a DaimlerChrysler GEM, a
Volkswagen Beetle EV, a Ford Ranger EV, a Ford Th!nk Neighbor EV, a Ford
U.S. Postal Service EV, and a Volkswagen Golf EV.
EVAA noted that the ETIC vehicle demonstration is only open to registered
conference delegates.
Contact: Rhondalee Dean-Royce, EVAA, phone 202-508-5076, website
http://www.evaa.org.
Bruce, Remy, etc.,
Bruce wrote below:
"Naturally you cannot get more energy out that is put in unless you
create a type of vacuum that draws energy out to the ground like
Tesla did"
This type of stuff is written by free energy people who are just smart
enough to understand that claiming a direct violation of the First Law
of Thermodynamics (conservation of energy) destroys one's credibility
before he's even finished uttering the statement. "Nope, we're not
creating energy. We're tapping into a huge unknown reservoir that we've
discovered."
In my tiny "linear" way of thinking, claiming to tap a heretofore
unknown reservoir of energy, such as ZPE or your "vacuum that draws
energy out of the ground", is just as good as claiming to produce energy
out of nothingness. Either way, I suspect that claim would satisfy the
requirements of any number of skeptical "free energy challenge" prizes.
And tiny infinitesimal forces such as the Casimir experiment don't
count. We need proof of something on the order of magnitude required to
make the claims work (e.g. hundreds or thousands of Watts).
Bruce also wrote:
"Inventors have disappeared who have tried to market high milage
carbs like Art Fisher."
This is another excuse offered up by virtually all supporters of free
energy claims to explain why there is no evidence of these claims. It
only goes to further damage your credibility.
Initially, I thought Electrifying Times was a reputable magazine for
the electric vehicle industry. But my opinion changed when I saw the
article at http://www.electrifyingtimes.com/australianinventors.html
This article ends with "Subscribe to Electrifying Times to learn all
the details of this earthshaking discovery!"
Perhaps you should also include a link to:
http://www.skeptics.com.au/features/spoon/bs-lutec.htm
to show that this device *was* investigated and found to perform a
little differently than Britts and Christie claimed. You do your
readers a great disservice to only publish the fantasy hype, and leave
out the scientific investigation. But I guess you're looking to sell
subscriptions.
>From: "bruce meland" <etimes@...>
>To: <ETList@yahoogroups.com>, <dhowe17@...>
>CC: "Remy C." <remyc@...>, <JCarey9622@...>, "John Bryan"
><jbryan4@...>
>Subject: Re: [ETList] Re: Allen Caggiano's Carburator
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>D Howe;You are completely out of the loop in this new technology. Naturally
>you cannot get more energy out that is put in unless you create a type of
>vacuum that draws energy out to the ground like Tesla did in case of
>electric motors or from rods sucking in small electromagnetic particles
>in
>space like neutrinos . There are patents on this high resonance ZPE space
>vacuum technology by high up Edwards AFB PHD's Please get caught up with
>whats really going on in these fields. Inventors have disappeared who have
>tried to market high milage carbs like Art Fisher. we are investigating
>Allans patents and drawings before we decide to promote the technology
>farther. thanks for your comments Bruce Meland editor Electrifying Times
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <dhowe17@...>
>To: <ETList@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 6:16 AM
>Subject: [ETList] Re: Allen Caggiano's Carburator
>
>
>From: "Remy C." <electrifyingtimes@h...>
>Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 8:10 pm
>Subject: Allen Caggiano's Carburator
>
> >Posted by Bruce Meland:
> >The Preview 2002 edition of Electrifying Times published a feature
> >article on high mileage carburetors and their suppression by the oil
> >and auto companies.
>
><snip>
>
>I would strongly recommend that Electrifying Times distance themselves
>from nutcase science like Britts' and Christie's magic motor (Lutec),
>or "suppressed high mileage carburetors". It hurts ET's credibility.
>
>Electric vehicles, hybrid gasoline/electric, fuel cells, etc., are
>the way of the future. They are legitimate science and will
>eventually displace conventional IC engine vehicles.
>
>But magic motors that supposedly produce more power than they consume,
>high mileage carburetors suppressed by sinister forces from the auto
>and oil industries, water powered cars ala Stanley Meyer, free
>electricity from Dennis Lee, and other scams are the stuff of science
>fiction. They have been debunked time and time again, and all their
>supporters can do is cry conspiracy. If any of them really worked,
>they'd already have the Nobel Prize. The Romans couldn't suppress
>Jesus Christ. There's no way anybody could suppress a simple answer
>to the world's energy problems.
>
>Please, don't let Electrifying Times get tainted by the bizarre
>fantasies of diseased minds. Stick to real science like PEM and
>solid oxide fuel cells, hydrogen storage via metal hydrides and
>carbon nanotubes, and near-room-temperature superconducting materials
>in electric motors for ultra-high efficiency.
>
>There's a lot of real science to be done. Don't waste your time
>with the nutcase pseudoscience. If you need help distinguishing the
>two, there are a lot of real scientists willing to help.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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D Howe;You are completely out of the loop in this new technology. Naturally
you cannot get more energy out that is put in unless you create a type of
vacuum that draws energy out to the ground like Tesla did in case of
electric motors or from rods sucking in small electromagnetic particles in
space like neutrinos . There are patents on this high resonance ZPE space
vacuum technology by high up Edwards AFB PHD's Please get caught up with
whats really going on in these fields. Inventors have disappeared who have
tried to market high milage carbs like Art Fisher. we are investigating
Allans patents and drawings before we decide to promote the technology
farther. thanks for your comments Bruce Meland editor Electrifying Times
----- Original Message -----
From: <dhowe17@...>
To: <ETList@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 6:16 AM
Subject: [ETList] Re: Allen Caggiano's Carburator
From: "Remy C." <electrifyingtimes@h...>
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 8:10 pm
Subject: Allen Caggiano's Carburator
>Posted by Bruce Meland:
>The Preview 2002 edition of Electrifying Times published a feature
>article on high mileage carburetors and their suppression by the oil
>and auto companies.
<snip>
I would strongly recommend that Electrifying Times distance themselves
from nutcase science like Britts' and Christie's magic motor (Lutec),
or "suppressed high mileage carburetors". It hurts ET's credibility.
Electric vehicles, hybrid gasoline/electric, fuel cells, etc., are
the way of the future. They are legitimate science and will
eventually displace conventional IC engine vehicles.
But magic motors that supposedly produce more power than they consume,
high mileage carburetors suppressed by sinister forces from the auto
and oil industries, water powered cars ala Stanley Meyer, free
electricity from Dennis Lee, and other scams are the stuff of science
fiction. They have been debunked time and time again, and all their
supporters can do is cry conspiracy. If any of them really worked,
they'd already have the Nobel Prize. The Romans couldn't suppress
Jesus Christ. There's no way anybody could suppress a simple answer
to the world's energy problems.
Please, don't let Electrifying Times get tainted by the bizarre
fantasies of diseased minds. Stick to real science like PEM and
solid oxide fuel cells, hydrogen storage via metal hydrides and
carbon nanotubes, and near-room-temperature superconducting materials
in electric motors for ultra-high efficiency.
There's a lot of real science to be done. Don't waste your time
with the nutcase pseudoscience. If you need help distinguishing the
two, there are a lot of real scientists willing to help.
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Making the Connection: Energy Technology
From: Pia VanHanen
To: etimes@...
Monday, November 19, 2001
Making the Connection: Energy Technology
Dear Bruce,
As someone involved in the energy space, I thought you might be interested
in an article written about 'Making the Connection: Energy Technology' event
that took place on Thursday, November 8, at the Seattle Sheraton. The
article was published in the online edition of The Wired Magazine copied
below.
Radical Software is a company focused on the assessment and implementation
of new technologies. We recently helped SelfCharge, Inc. create embedded
system software for a smart battery project. You can find more details about
our company on our website. I'd be happy to provide you with more
information and can be reached at #206.336.5585.
Best regards,
Pia VanHanen
Pia VanHanen
Radical Software
2815 Eastlake Avenue East, Suite 300
Seattle, WA 98102
Phone 206.336.5585
pia@...
pia@ radicalsoftware.com
Assessment and Implementation of Technologies that Shape the Future
http://www.radicalsoftware.com
Wired article:
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,48290,00.html
Waste on Energy or Spend Wisely?
By Manny Frishberg
Nov. 9, 2001
SEATTLE -- New and renewable ways of producing electricity are ready to
deploy now, but the companies creating them often are not. That was the
message delivered to investors and analysts meeting with green power
entrepreneurs here Thursday night.
"The idea's never enough," said Kristen Martinez, of Sound Point Ventures,
which is investing in energy companies through Angels with Attitude.
"Many people in this industry are coming from engineering, and they don't
know how to put the rest of the package together," she said. "You have to
make the jump from being an engineering-led company, which many of these
companies are, into a business."
Sound Point Ventures was one of the sponsors of "Making the Connection:
Energy Technology," a gathering of new-energy executives and investors.
Other sponsors were Acora Growth Solutions and Radical Software.
Timing is always important.
"The real challenge, when you're a VC, is to figure out whether this is
really to the ripe point, or is it just another peak on the cycle," said
Peggy Sue Heath, an analyst.
Heath, a vice president with Ziff-Davis Ziff-Davis Market Experts, watches
emerging technology from the investor's viewpoint. "I think the really
critical issue that hasn't been resolved with any of the technologies --
with the exception of solar, which is beginning to see some movement -- is
really how adoption is going to play out."
Heath predicts that it will take at least two more years before the
situation is right to attract the majority of venture capital funds.
"There's still too much risk inherent in most of these technologies," Heath
said. "Most VCs are not going to touch this for a while. But she adds "we've
oversubscribed nearly every other area and money has to go somewhere."
Tom Starrs, of Kelso Starrs & Associates, told the audience that the
emerging energy companies need to recruit marketing people to help connect
with consumers, as well as regulatory lawyers who know their way around the
arcane jumble of state and federal regulations governing the electric
utility industry in the U.S. today.
"You can produce the best widgit in the world, and if you're trying to
connect it into a utility network, then you have a big battle ahead of you,"
Starrs said.
Martinez says that from the investor's point of view, there are both
near-term and longer term opportunities for what alternative energy watchers
are hoping will turn out to eventually be the next big thing. "Wind and
solar companies are profitable today," she said. "Microturbines and fuel
cells are predicted to be profitable within the next five to 10 years."
She cited a poll in which 95 percent of consumers indicated a preference for
solar and wind energy. Less well-known sources of alternative energy have
much less consumer appeal, she said, though that is likely to change over
time.
"I typically recommend a time horizon of four to seven years, which is a bit
longer than the typical technology investment, but not outside the realm of
consideration for venture investors," she said.
"The fastest growing energy technologies on Earth today are solar and wind,"
said Robert Harmon, from the Bonneville Environmental Foundation, which is
selling pollution credits and using the money to fund alternative energy and
environmental projects.
"Wind farms can be built in six months once all the permitting is done," he
said. "You can put solar PV on your house tomorrow. There are huge gains to
be made (in) energy storage systems like flywheels and fuel cells that run
backwards (to make hydrogen)."
dhowe17@h... wrote:
"I would strongly recommend that Electrifying Times distance
themselves from nutcase science"
Let me reply with this reply I sent to Bob Lerwill on the FE List
just yesterday, adding that anyone is welcome to contribute articles
and research to ET on any topic. FE happens just happens to be
something Bruce & I enjoy investigating, in addition to supporting
and promoting the EV industry. If some people out there cannot
reconcile the two, then that's their prerogative. But to me, the fact
that ET touches on both EVs and FE makes it that much more effective
a tool for implementing new breakthrough technologies.
Dear Bob,
Before you jump to such conclusions, why don't you take a look at the
print edition. What you are looking at was a special edition content
index. Click back issues on the website. Look around a bit. Don't
take these few lines of text out of context from the whole, which is
what you have done.
Electrifying Times has been publishing infrequently perhaps, but
regularly for the past 7 years, the only magazine with newsstand
distribution covering the wide ranging and fast growing field of
electric, hybrid and other alternative vehicles. Bruce Meland, our
publisher, is an award winning and speed record holding electric
motorcycle builder, and active member of NEDRA, the National Electric
Drag Racing Association.
What we try to do with ET is keep as wide an open mind as we can and
create an open forum for new ideas. Plastic batteries and plastic
magnets for example, which are real and predict a positive future for
100% EVs.
My role is that of a journalist, to look for all avenues, options and
possibilities. Show Me! That's my motto. And throughout my many years
attending both EV and FE shows, I've certainly seen things that
trigger the imagination and need further attention and funding.
I don't know what kind of list your FE list is. But if it's just
there to debunk and harp eternal on what a con artist Dennis Lee is,
then be my guest, waste your time. It's not what ET is all about.
Remy C.
You also wrote"
"If you need help distinguishing the two, there are a lot of real
scientists willing to help."
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... and so is science!
From Bill Moore at EVWorld:
I did a story on the SAM for EV World two months ago, Remy!
You're not keeping up with us! :-)
(The SAM is now available for rental in Geneva and heavily promoted in the
Swiss media. I'm told you can pick up the car anywhere it is parked, access
it with a key card, drive it wherever you want and just leave it at your
destination for someone else to climb into. The system is called "Libre
Service" or free service. Remy C.)
From:
http://www.evworld.com/databases/storybuilder.cfm?storyid=226
SAM: The Sparrow Killer?
Two-passenger SAM will cost about US$11,000 when it goes on sale in 2002.
By Bill Moore
Our first look at new Swiss-built EV commuter.
August 26,2001
It looks like something "Q" would come up with in a James Bond flick. You
can almost imagine the new SAM concealing under its molded black
polyethylene skin a dangerous array of secret weaponry and gadgets.
But the SAM isn't some spymaster's fantasy. It is a real electric vehicle
built for not one driver -- a la the Corbin Pacific Sparrow -- but an
honest-to-goodness two passenger EV that will sell -- so its builders say --
for less than the Sparrow, at least in Switzerland.
Cree AG (Creation Research Engineering and Ecology AG) unveiled the SAM just
this week in Biel, Switzerland. What information EV World gleamed came from
an EV World reader in Switzerland (Danke sehr, Felix) and off the company's
web site, which is available in either German or French language editions.
AltaVista's Babelfish helped translate the German into English for me.
Here's what we know so far.
The SAM seats two in tandem. Each rider is provided with a 3-point safety
harness. Integrated into the front seat is a special structure that also
provides rollover protection. Braking comes from a trio of disc brakes on
the three-wheeled vehicle. Some of the vehicle's kinetic energy is
recaptured through regenerative braking.
SAM is powered by a modularized drive system consisting of the electric
motor, controller and 14 lead-acid batteries, presumably delivering 168
volts of energy.
One very interesting innovation is a "battery" insurance program. For 95
Swiss Francs a month, the owner can insure they will never be confronted
with the cost of having to replace the vehicle's battery pack. Cree will
supply a fresh set if and when needed under this program.
In addition to the drive module, the SAM consists of two other modules; the
aluminum chassis, which is built by a sub-contractor, and the double-walled
plastic body, itself composed of just 4 major components. The entire vehicle
weights just 545 kilograms (1,200 lbs.). Cree advises that SAM meets all
relevant safety standards for its class.
The company claims the vehicle has a range of between 50-70 kilometers
(31-43 miles) and has a top speed of 85 kph (52mph). Acceleration from 0 to
50 kph is 7 seconds. Recharge time takes about six hours for a full charge
at a cost of 1 Swiss Franc or about 60 cents in the US.
SAM is intended for urban driving only and in Switzerland requires a PW
license to operate. The vehicle will come in 5 distinctive "flavors":
Anthracite Black -- pictured above -- Mint, Blue, Orange and Caramel.
The company plans to give the residents of Biel the opportunity to test
drive the vehicle over the next few months, prior to the vehicle going into
full production. Interested individuals can sign up on the
http://www.testsam.ch web site. Initially, sales will be handled by the COOP
grocery chain in Biel.
Is your cap key locked? I'm posting your comments on the ETList, but please
get that keyboard checked, because it makes it impossible for me to format
your text for publication and forward to my other professional lists. In the
future, post your comments to the ETlist, NOT to my email address. Thank
you.
Remy C.
----- Original Message -----
From: <JCarey9622@...>
Remy C. >> FYI
ART FISHER? DEVELOPED A 100 MPH CARB. IN THE LATE 50'S THAT THE OIL CO'S
BOUGHT. AC SPARK PLUG TESTED IT IN THE early 60'S. MY BROTHER WHO DIED IN
67 WORKED WITH THERE ENGINEERS TESTING IT . HE WAS A EXPERIMENTAL MODEL
MAKER AT AC. I ALSO WORKED FOR THEM FOR 30 YEARS STARTING IN 69.
SIR PLEASE EXCUSE THE CAPS I'M NOT YELLING. THIS MAIL GETS RIGHT TO THE
POINT. THE STORY THAT BRUCE PUBLISHED ABOUT US WAS FACTUAL AFTER ALL HE WAS
HERE IN LATE JUNE TO SEE IT FIRST HAND. THE ROTATING TRANSFORMER STORY ON
YOUR FRONT PAGE.
WE JUST SHOWED THE CHIEF SCIENTIST AT DELPHI./GM DR CARLTON SPECK. here in
flint. THE NEXT SEVERAL STEPS BEYOND FUEL CELLS, HYBRIDS, INTERNAL
COMBUSTION AND CURRENT EV PLATFORMS PLUS TOLD THEM HOW TO MAKE THERE
HYDROGEN PROPULSION TECHNOLOGY WORK. THEY HAD IT BACKWARDS. IT IS OBSOLETE
TO OUR DIRECTOR SO HE DID NOT CARE.
DR SPECK DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT WHAT WAS SHOWN TO HIM THAT I KNOW OF. HE
IS BASICALLY LINEAR AND A MIT Ph.D WHO IS 60 YEARS OLD. BUT WE RESPECT HIM
BECAUSE WE DID NOT SEE ANY OF THE FAMOUS GM ARROGANT ATTUTIDE FROM HIM. AND
I THINK HE KNOWS WE ARE FOR REAL.
HE WANTS TO SEE THE DOCUMENTARY WHEN IT IS COMPLETED. HE TOLD ME YESTERDAY
ON THE PHONE THAT HIS COMPANY WANTS US TO HAVE PATENTS AS TOYOTA DOES
ACCORDING TO THERE GENERAL LEGAL COUNCIL WHO I SPOKE TO TODAY AFTER HE SENT
ME A MAIL INDICATING.WHAT JAPAN HAD SAID. DO THEY THINK WE ARE STUPID.
PATENTS ARE WORTHLESS. PLUS WE WOULD HAVE TO PURCHASE A CATAGORY. DO YOU
KNOW WHAT THAT COST??? . BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE ONE FOR WHAT WE ARE
DOING. IF TOYOTA WANTS TO PAY FOR IT AND AGREE TO PROTECT THEM WE WILL TALK
UNTIL THEN THEY CAN HAVE A NICE DAY AND SO CAN GM AND YAMAHA. . UNTIL WE
RAIN ON IT FOR THEM. WE WILL HAVE A TRADEMARK . OUR BIG CORP. LAWYER IN
CHICAGO IS ARRANGING IT. HE IS A BROTHER OF ONE OF OUR MEMBERS.
YAMAHA'S LEGAL COUNCIL SENT US A LETTER ALSO REQUESTING A SIGINATURE BEFORE
THEY WOULD TALK. DO YOU WANT A COPY OF IT. ???. WE DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING.
BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE TO BECAUSE WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY THEY DON'T. WE DO
NOT NEED THEM THEY NEED US FAR MORE THAN WE NEED THEM.
THE REAL ARROGANT FORD MOTOR COMPANY GLOBAL TECHNOLOGIES DEPARTMENT CALLED
ME AND THEN SENT ME A 7 PAGE ARROGANT NDA LAST DEC. THAT I'M STILL LAUGHING
ABOUT. TALK ABOUT A JOKE. THESE PEOPLE JUST DO NOT GET IT. THEY THINK THEY
ARE GOD. NOT FOR LONG. CORP. ARROGANCE IS BEYOND ME. THE DIRECTOR FOR FLINT
TOLD GM/DELPHI HE HAS NEVER SAW A CORP. INVENT ANYTHING. HE IS RIGHT.
WE ALSO TOOK THE DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WITH US FOR
THE CITY OF FLINT MI. TO THE DELPHI MEETING. WHO IS QUALIFIED TO BE A
PHYSICISTS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTACT HIM. ??? AND HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE
ARE DOING. AND IS GIVING US A REAL NICE FREE BUILDING UNTIL WE BECOME
PROFITABLE BUILDING MACHINES THAT WILL POWER UP YOUR HOUSE without ANY NEED
FOR THE GRID. USING A TESLA REINVENTED TECHNOLOGY. THE CITY FEELS WE CAN
CREATE 6000 TO 10,000 JOBS IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
WE/OUR COMPANY/OUR DIRECTOR'S TECHNOLOGY ARE ALSO BEING INCLUDED IN A WORLD
WIDE DOCUMENTARY THAT WILL BE FILM IN EARLY 2002. BY An AWARD WINNING
AUSTRIAN PRODUCTION CO. THAT IS BEING BACKED BY THE AUSTRIAN BROADCASTING
CO. AND THE AUSTRIAN GOVT. THEY WILL HAVE A FULL FILM CREW WITH THEM WHEN
THEY RETURN. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTACT THEM??????
WE ALSO HAVE THE MOST ADVANCED MAGNETS ON THE PLANET THAT WE KNOW OF BRUCE
SAW THEM WHEN HE WAS HERE.SO DID GARY AND RALPH. ALSO INFINITE ENERGY
MAGAZINE WHEN THEY WERE HERE WITH THERE TEST EQUIPMENT. PLUS BUSTER'S BUDDY.
THEY CAN WITHSTAND HEAT TO RED HOT AND DO NOT LOSE THERE FIELD. PLUS THEY
CONTAIN NO METAL COMPOUNDS. ELECTRICITY IS NOT USED TO CHARGE THEM. .
THE FIELD TRAVELS IN A LINEAR DIRECTION. PLUS A SELF CONTAINED INTERNALLY
DRIVEN NO CONSUMPTION FIELD PROPULSION SYSTEM WAS DEVELOPED FROM THEM THAT
DOW CORNING IN MIDLAND MI. AT THERE WORLD HQ. SAW OPERATIONAL.BUT NEEDS TO
BE REFINED. UNTIL THEN WE WILL BUILD THE TESLA REINVENTS. PLEASE EXPLAIN
THE TECHNICAL DYNAMICS ANY OF YOU SO CALLED SCIENTIFIC TYPES. IF THIS IS
TRUE COULD THIS POSSIBLY BE THE REAL STAR TREK BOYS.AND GIRLS.?????
ALSO GM'S MAGNET-QUENCH PROCESS WAS OBTAINED FROM PART OF THE MATERIAL
PROCESS SEVERAL YEARS AGO WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION BY OUR DIRECTOR. I MADE THEM
VERY AWARE OF THAT FACT IN THE MEETING. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE U. OF
N. HAS ALSO.
BUSTER'S BUDDY HAS BEEN HERE TO. HE IS CONVINCED AND IS JUST WAITING FOR
US TO PRODUCE SYSTEMS THAT HE CAN SELL. AND SO HAS GARY VESPERMAN. ( BOTH
ARE ON YOUR MAIL LIST.) WHO CAME WITH RALPH CRUISE ALSO FROM VEGAS BUT THEY
WERE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THEY COULD REPRODUCE. IF THEY HAVE WOULD BEEN
BUSINESS TYPES LIKE DENNIS LEE WAS WHEN HE CAME HERE AND THEN FLEW US OUT
THERE
THEY WOULD HAVE SEEN THE OPPERITUNITY AS HE DID. SCIENTIFIC TYPES DO NOT SEE
THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN IN BUSINESS. THEY ONLY WORK FOR BUSINESS
PEOPLE AS GARY AND RALPH DO. PLUS HE NEEDED A WAY TO POWER UP HIS SUNDANCE
GENERATOR THAT HE WAS NOT ABLE TO DO FEASABLY UNTIL HE CAME HERE. NOW YOU
KNOW WHAT THE REAL WORLD IS ALL ABOUT. I SUGGEST YOU ALL PUT THIS IN YOUR
PIPES AND SMOKE IT. THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING ME PLAY WITH YOU. IT WAS FUN I
GET BORED REAL EASY. CAN YOU SEE WHY???? JACK CAREY
From:
http://www.wo50.com/vacation.htm
Excerpt from
What I Did on My Summer Vacation
By Deborah Deering Schwartz
Some things about Eastern Europe surprised me somewhat: there’s less use of
English than I’ve experienced elsewhere in Europe, Scandinavia, and northern
Africa. Very little signage, even highway signs, is in English. With my
impeccable command of German (I took one year of it in college), I, of
course, had no problems because of this lack of English! 8-) Or, a smile
goes a long way in communicating!
The places we visited were noticeable cleaner and neater than cities in U.S.
with the exception that graffiti is EVERYWHERE! It’s almost like once they
were given freedom to express themselves, these folks didn’t know where/when
to stop! OTOH, some of the graffiti is very good in an artistic sense! They
are VERY serious about recycling; we even had three-part, compartmentalized
receptacles in some of our hotel rooms for sorting recyclables. They are
serious about environmental concerns and seem to think Americans need a
wakeup call about what is happening to the air/environment.
Small cars buzz around everywhere. There are essentially NO full-size cars,
and I saw so few SUV-type vehicles, I could count them on one hand! They
have a tiny car our guide calls a Swatch car that squeezes in two adults and
“two grocery bags” but just barely. These little cars cost $12,000 and are
very popular. I saw very few VW bugs, even in Germany, which sorta surprised
me. Gas was over $4 a gallon. This means that a large car is an indicator of
real wealth; it’s not the original price of car that counts; it’s the
ongoing price of gas for it! In Munich in particular, LOTS of people ride
bicycles…including ladies headed to work in full workplace attire of
dresses, hose, and heels (which were usually strappy sandal style shoes).
Men in suits with briefcases were on bikes. The subways and aboveground
trains and buses in all cities were crowded. We rode the subways in both
Munich (an adventure as we tried to get to Dachau on our own) and Prague
with no real problems even though we didn’t understand the signs.
Skoda vehicle is very popular and highly promoted in Czech Republic.
http://www.skoda-auto.com
From:
http://www.swatchgroup.com/press/press.asp?pid=28
The Swatch Group sells its smart participation to Daimler-Benz
Biel, November 4, 1998 – Daimler-Benz AG (Germany) takes over the 19%
shareholding of Micro Compact Car (MCC), the producer of the smart car, from
the Swatch Group, Biel (Switzerland). The transfer is effective as of
October 31, 1998. MCC is henceforth a 100% subsidiary of Daimler-Benz AG.
After the successful introduction of the smart car in Europe and considering
the withdrawal of MCC for the construction of the hybrid model, the Swatch
Group decided to sell its minority shareholding in MCC and offered its
shares to Daimler-Benz. This step enables the majority shareholder to
realize all important and necessary measures without loss of time. With
numerous collaborators, the Swatch Group has intensively contributed to the
concept and the development of the smart car, including its production and
market introduction as well as the construction of the assembly plant. The
objective of the 100% transfer of the shares to the majority shareholder
consists in the full exploitation of the advantages of the new
DaimlerChrysler Group to overcome the difficulties of the next years.
Hybrid: The technical examination of the integration of the hybrid
SwatchMobil system unveiled almost insurmountable space problems resulting
in the withdrawal of this project and consequently in the payment of an
appropriate compensation to the Swatch Group. The possible eventual use of
the SwatchMobil know-how by Daimler-Chrysler can be settled in a license
agreement.
The developments for other interested automobile manufacturers are not
affected by these changes.
„The take-over of the participation is part of the steps taken in view of
the upcoming DaimlerChrysler merger“ comments Jürgen E. Schrempp, Chairman
of the Board of Daimler-Benz AG. „The smart brand is thus an integral part
of the six automobile brands of DaimlerChrysler. To take this step during
the present market introduction is logical and opens the smart brand all the
advantages of the new group.“ Prof. Jürgen Hubbert Chairman of the board of
MCC, adds: „Dr. h.c. Nicolas G. Hayek has pushed this project onward with
much personal engagement and influenced it in an important way. The
collaboration with him was an enrichment for all of us.“
Nicolas G. Hayek, Chairman of the Board and President of the Swatch Group:
„The Swatch Group has fulfilled its role as loyal, competent and efficient
partner for the concept, development and production as well as for the
marketing, distribution and launch of the smart car. After the successful
smart introduction, the Swatch Group considers its task concluded and thanks
Messrs. Schrempp, Hubbert and their collaborators for an exciting and
positive cooperation.“
Béatrice Howald, Swatch Group Press Office, Biel-Bienne Phone ++41 32 343 68
11 / 343 68 33, Fax ++41 32 343 69 22
E-Mail: press@...
My uncle who lives in Switzerland tells me there are now hundreds of 100%
electric Swatch cars on the roads there, not the SMART, but built and sold
by the founder of Swatch. I'm on it... Remy C.
From:
http://www.rediff.com/business/2000/apr/25swatch.htm
April 25, 2000
Swatch's car project in India hits roadblock
Swiss giant Swatch Group's much-touted small car project for India has run
into rough weather with the world's two largest carmakers -- General Motors
and Ford -- refusing any ties with the venture.
While Swatch has been talking about serious negotiations with GM and Ford
for a joint venture to produce its new hybrid car in India, both the
US-based auto giants have refused to acknowledge any negotiations.
"No talks are underway with Swatch for any venture,'' both the auto majors
have stated.
Despite repeated attempts, Swatch Group's South Asia area sales manager Ravi
Thakran refused to comment on the statements by GM and Ford.
He had earlier said, ''We are under negotiations with Ford and GM among
others on the matter but are yet to decide on the final partner. India is
being considered as a production base for this (small car) project. As of
now, the proposal is under evaluation. It would be too early to say anything
firm on the launch schedule of the car in India.''
However, General Motors India president and managing director Richard Swando
dismissed talks on the car project saying, ''We have not come across any
such dialogues for a joint collaboration with Swatch concerning India.''
Senior Ford India officials aired similar views saying, "There has never
been any talks of either a joint venture or a possible tie-up between Ford
and Swatch in India. Moreover, all decisions regarding Ford's overseas
subsidiaries and tie-ups are taken in the US and we are yet to hear anything
about such a venture. Just talking among yourselves doesn't make a
venture.''
Both GM and Ford already have subsidiaries in India and are currently
producing mid-size cars. GM had recently introduced the Opel Corsa, while
Ford had rolled out the Ikon, which is currently the best seller in the
mid-size category of the Indian automobile industry.
Though both the companies have announced that they are exploring the small
car segment for a possible rollout, no time-frames and models have been
finalised as yet.
Swatch Group's company SMH Automobile had recently developed a four-wheeler
drive hybrid car, which is eco-friendly. The company had announced that its
mass production, too, can be undertaken at a reasonable cost.
The car, which could be made available in the 1000cc to 1400cc engine
category, has an independent torque control on each wheel.
The vehicle is claimed to offer improved fuel consumption and low emission
levels due to its specially developed combustion engine. It can also be
connected to an electrical system to be recharged overnight.
Swatch Group had forayed into the car market with the Smart small car
through a joint venture with Daimler-Benz. It did not, however, prove to be
a major success and the need for large investments forced the Swatch Group
to reduce its holding in the joint venture.
Meanwhile, Swatch has already got the Foreign Investment Promotion Board, or
FIPB, approval to set up a wholly owned subsidiary in India for
manufacturing and assembling wrist watches for domestic and export markets.
The company, however, is still undecided on setting up the venture and has
decided to delay manufacturing by two years. It will initially import
watches from Switzerland and test market them here.
The group has already introduced in India its other watch brands -- Omega,
Rado, Tissot and Longines -- through dealer networks.
UNI
From: "Remy C." <electrifyingtimes@h...>
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 8:10 pm
Subject: Allen Caggiano's Carburator
>Posted by Bruce Meland:
>The Preview 2002 edition of Electrifying Times published a feature
>article on high mileage carburetors and their suppression by the oil
>and auto companies.
<snip>
I would strongly recommend that Electrifying Times distance themselves
from nutcase science like Britts' and Christie's magic motor (Lutec),
or "suppressed high mileage carburetors". It hurts ET's credibility.
Electric vehicles, hybrid gasoline/electric, fuel cells, etc., are
the way of the future. They are legitimate science and will
eventually displace conventional IC engine vehicles.
But magic motors that supposedly produce more power than they consume,
high mileage carburetors suppressed by sinister forces from the auto
and oil industries, water powered cars ala Stanley Meyer, free
electricity from Dennis Lee, and other scams are the stuff of science
fiction. They have been debunked time and time again, and all their
supporters can do is cry conspiracy. If any of them really worked,
they'd already have the Nobel Prize. The Romans couldn't suppress
Jesus Christ. There's no way anybody could suppress a simple answer
to the world's energy problems.
Please, don't let Electrifying Times get tainted by the bizarre
fantasies of diseased minds. Stick to real science like PEM and
solid oxide fuel cells, hydrogen storage via metal hydrides and
carbon nanotubes, and near-room-temperature superconducting materials
in electric motors for ultra-high efficiency.
There's a lot of real science to be done. Don't waste your time
with the nutcase pseudoscience. If you need help distinguishing the
two, there are a lot of real scientists willing to help.
From: Scott_Hill@d...
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2001 7:28 am
Subject: latest on Hal Puthoff's ZPE device
There are very frequently posts on psi.physics and psi.physics.research
newsgroups (now taken over by Google) on FE and ZPE. Here is my latest post.
--Scott@f...
From: scott@f... (Scott Hill)
Newsgroups:
sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics.particle,sci.astro,sci.skepti
cSubject: Re: Puthoff-Sarfatti Debate on Zero Point Vacuum Energy
References: <86.12e28c8d.292c17b8@a...>
<3BFAC60C.43277BD4@w...>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.226.230.3
Message-ID: <ee3fccb0.0111210425.49dd9018@p...>
Hi Hal,
I was wondering if you have published any new articles on the ZPE device?
Are we getting any closer to a working model? Do you think the physics
community is ready for a ZPE discussion without being labelled as a
crackpot??
regards from chilly Copenhagen!
http://surf.to/theprofessor2
Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@w...> wrote in message news:
<3BFAC60C.43277BD4@w...>...
Puthoff@a... wrote:
In a message dated 11/20/01 11:35:09 AM, sarfatti@w...
writes:
Hal et-al do not understand that their vacuum must antigravitate and that
curved spacetime cannot exist in it. There is no simple classical limit to
quantum gravity, there is only a macroscopic superfluid limit with long
range phase coherence derandomizing a large fraction of the ZPE.
Of course. That's what a macroscopic change in K in my semiclassical
dielectric (polarizable) vacuum model represents. There is a long-range
change in the vacuum polarizability, which means a long-range phase
coherence that, by derandomizing a large fraction of the ZPF, makes
polarizability of the underlying "virtual" electron-positron sea easier or
harder, depending on the sign of the perturbation of K. Just because we use
different language for a semiclassical description of the underlying vacuum
state does not mean that we differ on this issue in anything other than
descriptive language.
That's the point I keep trying to get across to you. To not use your
language or to not express it in your (admittedly more mainstream) terms is
not equivalent to your statement that "Hal et al. do not understand."
Different strokes for different folks! :-)
Cheers,
Hal
From Sarfatti:
No you are glossing over important differences.
Where is the /\ field in your theory?
Your theory is completely classical and phenomenological.
Indeed, no where is there any "zero point energy" at all in formally
your PV theory!
There is no equivalence of "exotic" in your context of K < 1
for a given metric guv and what Kip Thorne, and I, mean by "exotic".
You do not show how guv (or your K) comes out of the ZPE. I
do! Your theory is not general enough to do all the interesting
solutions of GR including the RW cosmological solutions. Mine is.
You have no explanation for WHY /\ is ~ zero in the mean on
cosmic scale, nor for dark matter, nor for quintessence, nor for
lepto-quark structure, nor for how to overcome the spacetime stiffness
factor
G/c^4 = Lp^2/hc = 1fermi per 4 billion metric tons (Feynman's
number)
You have no theoretical handle on how to use EM fields to get
energy out of quantum vacuum, or how to suck it in a cloak stealth
mode for fighting air, sea, undersea and space craft.
You have no clue how to make the exotic matter needed to
support stable wormhole time machines and how to overcome Hawking's
blue shift explosion when the time machine forms out of the Star Gate.
I have the beginnings of answers for all of the above most of
which you cannot even formulate with the primitive conceptual model
you have been playing with for ~ 15 years with no real progress to
compare with mine in past ~ 2 years.
Indeed, to give you credit, I would not have thought of all
this stuff if not for trying to shoot your ideas down! So, now it's
time for you to stop clutching too vague ideas that really do not work
and to get with what I have discovered here.
Suzuki Concept Car Features Household Fuel Cell
Japanese automaker Suzuki recently introduced a concept electric vehicle
known as the Covie, at an international motor show in Tokyo, Japan.
The two-seater is designed for "everyday use" and features an electric motor
and a fuel cell designed by General Motors. The fuel cell derives hydrogen
from natural gas.
The fuel cell, described by Suzuki as a household model, gets its fuel in
much the same way a natural gas appliance does. Excess heat produced by the
fuel cell reaction can also be harnessed to heat water for home use.
The Covie's state-of-the-art navigation system features an onboard 12-inch
monitor, and can be used to communicate between cars, houses, and other
individuals.
(WAIKATO TIMES: 11/18)
From:
http://www.ascribe.org/cgi-bin/spew4th.pl?fname=2001-
Thu Nov 15 2001
University of Nebraska Chemists Create First Plastic Magnets
LINCOLN, Neb., Nov. 15 (AScribe Newswire) -- A team of chemists at
the University of Nebraska-Lincoln have created the world's first plastic
magnets. It took 13 years of painstaking investigation, but Andrzej Rajca, a
professor of chemistry, Suchada Rajca, his wife and research partner as a
research assistant professor at Nebraska, and doctoral candidate Jirawat
Wongsriratanakul finally achieved success earlier this year. The results of
that research, funded by the National Science Foundation with support from
NU's Center for Materials Research and Analysis, will be published in the
Nov. 16 issue of Science, the weekly journal of the American Association for
the Advancement of Science.
"There are already known organic magnets, but they are based on
crystals of small molecules," Rajca said. "What is unique about this
research is this is the first organic polymer that can be said to be
magnetic."
A polymer is a large, often chainlike molecule that may consist of
repeated linked units of relatively small molecules. An organic polymer is
carbon-based and therefore an organic polymer that is essentially a plastic
magnet, no metal required.
"This was predicted more than 30 years ago and a large volume of work
has been done on this, especially in Japan and Europe," Rajca said. "We have
worked on this since 1988 when I was an assistant professor at Kansas State.
We essentially made larger and larger molecules with different arrangements
of unpaired electrons in order to figure out how to make this polymer. It
was a gradual approach, one step at a time."
Rajca, who moved his laboratory to NU's Hamilton Hall when he joined
the Nebraska faculty in 1992, said no one should expect to stick a plastic
magnet to a refrigerator door any time soon, however. That's because the
magnetic polymers are unstable unless they are in an oxygen-free environment
at temperatures below 10 degrees Kelvin (more than 440 degrees below zero
Fahrenheit; absolute zero, the point at which all motion stops, is zero
degrees Kelvin).
Nevertheless, he said he's relatively confident that the problems of
stability and low temperatures can be overcome, if only because his team has
already succeeded in proving one of the predictions made by Japanese
theoretical chemist Noboru Mataga in 1968.
"Mataga predicted that it should be possible to do it (create organic
magnetic polymers). He also predicted that it can be done at room
temperature," Rajca said. "But theorists are always ahead of
experimentalists and although it's possible to predict, it does not mean
that we immediately know how to do it."
Rajca said he can only speculate about possible uses for the new
polymers if (or when) the problems with stability and temperature are
solved. To illustrate the point, he compared his team's discovery to the
discovery of the first organic conducting polymers more than 20 years ago by
a team that included Nebraska graduate and Nobel Prize winner Alan Heeger.
"At the time they were discovered, people thought they could be made
into very light conducting wires that could replace metals as conductors of
electricity," Rajca said. "But about 10 years ago, it was discovered that
they can actually be used in a completely different way, as light-emitting
diodes, and now several companies are actively working on that particular
application. It turned out that these conducting polymers are not
competitive as conductors."
"The real satisfaction for us at the moment is having made this
discovery -- that it is possible to make an organic polymer that is
magnetic. This is the nature of basic research. We try to go after something
completely new, that was not thought possible."
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From:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/18/politics/18ENVI.html?searchpv=past7days
November 18, 2001
Bush Team Is Reversing Environmental Policies
By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
WASHINGTON, Nov. 17 — In the last two months, the Bush administration has
proceeded with several regulations, legal settlements and legislative
measures intended to reverse Clinton-era environmental policies.
These include moves to allow road- building in national forests, reverse the
phaseout of snowmobiles in national parks, make it easier for mining
companies to dig for gold, copper and zinc on public lands, ease
energy-saving standards for air-conditioners, bar the reintroduction of
grizzly bears in the Northwest and, environmentalists say, make it easier
for developers to eliminate wetlands.
Environmentalists are angered that in some cases the administration, in the
name of national security, is taking steps that they say promote the
interests of timber, mining, oil, gas and pipeline companies, at the expense
of the environment.
"They've used the smoke screen of the last two months to make key decisions
out of public view," said Philip E. Clapp, president of the National
Environmental Trust. "The most difficult situation we face is that the
attention of the media is almost exclusively on Afghanistan and anthrax."
Most notable, critics say, is the administration's renewed advocacy of
drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska. As
President Bush said last month, "The less dependent we are on foreign
sources of crude oil, the more secure we are at home."
Senator John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts, said the administration's
view that oil drilling in Alaska was a matter of national security
represented a "false patriotism."
"I certainly think that the re- emergence of the Arctic drilling is a direct
effort to capitalize on events," Mr. Kerry said. "And it's a misplaced
definition of patriotism to use Sept. 11 as a rationale for doing something
that has no impact on price or dependency or immediate supply."
Administration officials say that while national security is a paramount
concern, it is not their only argument for reversing many policies enacted
by President Bill Clinton. They defend the changes as a way to balance what
they said was an extreme tilt in favor of the environmentalists during the
eight years of the Clinton presidency.
"Many of the things we have done are to put in place common-sense approaches
that we feel are a better balance," Gale A. Norton, the secretary of the
interior, said in an interview on Friday. "They better involve local people
in decision making; they are based on cooperation rather than conflict. Our
push for involving state governments in the decision-making process, our
push for negotiated solutions, our push for tailoring decisions to
particular areas of land are all based on philosophy, not on a wartime
situation."
But both sides in the environmental debates say that the political balance
changed after Sept. 11.
"In the past, you had to make an environmental argument to deflect an
environmental criticism," said Scott Segal, a lawyer and lobbyist in
Washington for several industrial concerns. "Since Sept. 11, it is possible
to articulate an energy-security rationale that can offset environmental
criticism. In comparison to security issues, criticism premised on
environmental protection begins to sound parochial and not selfless."
Before the attacks, environmentalists seemed to have political momentum in
casting President Bush as unfriendly to the environment and his
administration as beholden to the extractive industries. But in the last two
months, environmentalists have been stymied for fear of appearing
unpatriotic or even petty in the face of a national crisis.
For example, the administration has ordered the United States Coast Guard to
fortify its patrol of coastal waters, a duty that makes it less able to
enforce antipoaching rules, leaving species like rockfish, Atlantic salmon
and red snapper vulnerable. Environmentalists have remained silent, though
before Sept. 11 they might have complained loudly.
Administration officials insist they are still protecting the environment.
Ms. Norton said her department was starting a program to help individual
property owners protect endangered species. Mr. Bush's Environmental
Protection Agency is battling his Energy Department's plan to weaken
standards for air-conditioners. And while this administration has been more
responsive to governors of Western States than the Clinton administration
was, it has not always pleased them.
Just this week, Dirk Kempthorne, the Republican governor of Idaho, said at a
public hearing that he was so frustrated over federal cleanup plans on a
toxic Superfund site that he was "on the verge of inviting the E.P.A. to
leave Idaho."
The Bush administration has also decided to adhere to the Clinton
administration proposals for limiting arsenic in drinking water. Some
environmentalists thought the Bush administration should have called for
lower levels, but by setting the same amount as proposed by Mr. Clinton, it
defused the issue.
But the administration has let slide other matters that environmentalists
argue are vital to protecting air and water quality. These include a global
pact on climate change and a plan to reduce power plant emissions.
Senator James M. Jeffords, the Vermont independent who is chairman of the
Environment and Public Works Committee, is advancing his own plan to require
power plants to reduce four major pollutants. The administration opposes it,
in part on national security grounds, saying the changes could disrupt power
supplies because they might force the closing of coal-burning plants.
Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company
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Monday, November 12, 2001
Advocacy -- or idiocy
by Tom Napier
I am opposed to pseudoscience; the use of scientific terminology to prop up
an unscientific notion. In October I encountered something worse, political
advocacy based on total ignorance of basic science.
I am an admirer of Bill Maher, host of ABC's outspoken chat show,
Politically Incorrect. I tend to agree with his views on politics and
religion but I do wish he knew a little science. His run-of-the-mill guests
are film-stars, recording artists, political pundits of various polarities
and anyone who has written a popular book, however nonsensical it might be.
The nearest to a scientific viewpoint on his show recently was when Mike
Shermer, founder of the Skeptics Society, was a guest.
An eight minute segment of Politically Incorrect on October 24 was devoted
to the issue of "weaning" the USA from its drug-like dependency on oil
imported from repressive countries. The panel treated this solely as an
issue of political will -- with a hint of oil company and Presidential
complicity thrown in. As Maher said, we got to the Moon in eight years. Why
hadn't we, since the 1973 oil crisis, found a substitute for foreign oil?
Actor Jason Alexander wanted alternative fuels for cars to be mandated, as
if that was all that was needed to solve the problem. There was no hint from
anyone that oil is a source of energy as well as a convenient way of storing
it in a vehicle.
Guest Dennis Weaver was billed as an actor/environmentalist. He wants to
publicize "the exciting potential of hydrogen." As he put it, "Hydrogen is
there, it's the most plentiful element in the universe and it's clean and
inexhaustible." This suggestion was bandied about for several minutes. No
one pointed out that almost all the hydrogen on the Earth is already burnt
and thus can't be used as an energy source. Water contains a huge amount of
hydrogen but it takes more energy to extract it than you get back when you
burn it. That energy has to come from somewhere.
This isn't some obscure point in chemistry, it is a simple application of a
scientific law which every school-child should know. Energy cannot be
created by going round a loop and returning to your starting point; that
would be perpetual motion.
The hydrogen- or electric-powered cars which the panel thought to be the
solution merely push the problem one step up-stream, to the generating
stations which supply electricity or which electrolyze water to make
hydrogen. We still need to burn oil, natural gas or coal to generate energy
in the first place.
The panel complained that we currently pay billions of dollars a year to
countries we don't like. No one mentioned that imported oil is a bargain
compared to the costs of such popular but impractical alternatives as solar
and wind power. Our prosperity depends to a large extent on the incredibly
low price the US pays for energy. Less than a year ago there was an near
revolution at the thought of paying $2 a gallon for gas. Europeans have been
paying between $4 and $5 for the last twenty years without thinking much
about it. (Since they don't drive SUVs they probably get more miles to the
dollar than we do.)
One guest mentioned that France gets 100% of its energy from nuclear power,
an exaggeration since its cars too run on imported oil. This non-PC solution
to the energy crisis was quickly pooh-poohed. Weaver claimed that it had
"taken $700 billion to clean up the messes we've made using nuclear power."
Where that figure came from I don't know. The civil power program has had
one, potentially serious but in fact rather minor, accident. The only major
clean-up which has been needed was a consequence of the weapons program
instituted in an effort to win the Second World War and the Cold War
regardless of the environmental cost.
There isn't a simple solution to the energy problem, though wasting less of
it would help. Hydrogen is only the answer if we can figure out how to get
fusion power from it. I can't emphasize enough that ignorance of science is
not a sound basis for advocating changes in public policy. Surely it
behooves anyone advocating a policy to check first whether what they
recommend is physically possible.
Ford Decides to Abandon Plans for Hybrid SUV
Officials at Ford Motor Company recently announced that the automaker will
scrap plans to develop a mild hybrid technology for future models of its
Explorer sport-utility vehicle (SUV). The company said development of the
integrated starter generator (ISG) technology for the SUV was an integral
part of Ford's pledge to increase the fuel efficiency of its SUVs by 20
percent within the next four years.
However, Ford officials said the mild hybrid system was only able to produce
fuel economy gains of five to 10 percent in the Explorer. With losses of
more than $1 billion in the past two quarters, the company said the
development of the ISG technology for the SUV "wasn't making economic
sense."
"If something like the hybrid doesn't give the kind of returns it was
supposed to, it would just have been financially irresponsible to pursue it
on the Explorer," said a Ford official.
The automaker noted that it intends to honor its pledge to increase the fuel
economy of its SUVs. Ford spokeswoman Sarah Tatchio said the company still
hopes to develop the ISG technology for use in other vehicle models.
"We are still absolutely pursuing use of the [ISG] on our products, and we
are going to deliver on our goal of a 25-percent improvement in the fuel
economy of our SUV line by 2005," said Tatchio.
Ford plans to unveil a hybrid version of its Escape SUV in 2003, and a fuel
cell-powered Focus in 2004.
(DETROIT FREE PRESS: 11/16)