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Thanks to Arthur Shippee, Dave Sowdon, Stan, David Critchley,
Diana Wright,Donna Hurst, Jennifer Cosham, Edward Rockstein,
Joanne Conman, Rick Heli, Hernan Astudillo, Kurt Theis,W.J. Elvin,
John McMahon, Barnea Selavan, Joseph Lauer, Towse Harrison,
Patrick Swan, Kris Curry, Mike Ruggeri, Richard Campbell, Richard C.
Griffiths,
and Ross W. Sargent for headses upses this week (as always
hoping I have left no one out).
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EARLY HUMANS
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Australopithecus is now being touted as the 'missing link':

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-09/m-hth090711.php
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14824435
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/science/09fossils.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2035021/Best-candidate-missing-li\
nk-lived-South-Africa-2million-years-ago.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/found-mankinds-missing-link/sto\
ry-e6frgcjx-1226133167039

http://www.npr.org/2011/09/09/140337459/examining-ancient-fossils-for-clues-to-h\
uman-origins

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/08/australopithecus-sediba-ancestor-m\
odern-humans

http://www.itn.co.uk/home/28785/Caveman+may+be+%27missing+link
http://www.ology.com/politics/two-million-year-old-fossil-confusing-sexually
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-australopithecus-fossils-20110909,0,7\
812788.story

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2011/09/09/1.977-million-year-old-karabo-makes-\
world-debut

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903285704576558382651436242.html
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/melbourne-researchers-uncover-missing\
-link/story-fn7x8me2-1226132520436

http://www.iol.co.za/scitech/science/discovery/scientists-find-missing-ancestral\
-link-in-sediba-1.1133833

http://news.yahoo.com/game-changer-evolution-african-bones-140125430.html
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-09-sediba-hominid-skull-hints-brain.html
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-09-game-changer-evolution-african-bones.html
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-09-fossil-discovery-evolutionary-link-australop\
iths.html

http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?feed_id=0&catid=20103228&videofeed=36
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/08/australopithecus-sediba-bones_n_954212.\
html

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/09/110908-apes-humans-evolution-aus\
tralopithecus-sediba-lee-berger-science/


... and I agree with this opinion piece thereon:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100104050/australopithecus-s\
ediba-can-we-stop-calling-it-a-missing-link/


... and this reconstruction of 'virtual brains' of human ancestors seems
somehow connected to the above:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14822438
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-09-human-brain-evolution-insight-x-rays.html

... as is this 'hand analysis':

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-09-handier-homo-habilis.html

A gallery of human ancestors:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/gallery/2011/sep/08/human-evolution-ancestors

A sort of 'how human evolution worked' piece:

http://chronicle.com/article/How-Our-Brains-Got-BigOur/128878/?sid=wb&utm_source\
=wb&utm_medium=en


Apparently humans were interbreeding with more than Neanderthals (I think
this is a different story, but not much):

http://www.livescience.com/15911-humans-interbred-extinct-relatives.html
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-09-modern-humans-interbred-archaic-hominin.html
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=human-ancestors-interbred-homo-\
genus

http://news.yahoo.com/humans-had-sex-regularly-mysterious-extinct-relatives-afri\
ca-025605344.html

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-09/uoa-ahw090211.php

Donald C Johanson tells why he studies human evolution:

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/08/lucy-discoverer-why-i-study-human-evolu\
tion/

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AFRICA
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Looking for damage to monuments in Libya:

http://www.france24.com/en/20110907-libya-combs-priceless-ruins-war-damage
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ANCIENT NEAR EAST AND EGYPT
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Some more details on restoration plans for Djoser's pyramid:

http://english.ahram.org.eg/~/NewsContent/9/40/20382/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/Egyp\
ts-Djoser-Step-pyramid-in-intensive-care.aspx


I think we mentioned that excavating has resumed in Egypt:

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/20260/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/Excava\
tion-works-resumed-in-Egypt.aspx


Some hype for the Hittitology Congress in Warsaw:

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=hittitology-congress-at-polish-capital-\
2011-09-06

http://www.warsawvoice.pl/baza_wydarzen/wydarzenie.php?layout=nwv&lang=en/23797

... and for the First Haredi conference on "Torah archaeology":

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/torah-archaeology-sheds-light-on-ancie\
nt-talmudic-dispute-1.383343


... and for the City of David Conference:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/147666#.TmylLeyTN-5
http://www.jpost.com/LifeStyle/Article.aspx?id=23702
http://www.cityofdavid.org.il/hp_eng.asp

Related to the foregoing, here is (with Hebrew narration) a preview
of a Canaanite period pool found near the fortifications of the CoD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQRt1Iz9iO0&feature=uploademail

I think I've missed a number of LandMinds episodes ... you can catch up
here:

http://www.foundationstone.org/LandMinds10/LM2011B/

A campaign (?) to preserve the ruins at Sebastia:

http://www.proterrasancta.org/sebastia/

Egyptology News Blog:

http://egyptology.blogspot.com/

Egyptology Blog:

http://www.egyptologyblog.co.uk/

Dr Leen Ritmeyer's Blog:

http://blog.ritmeyer.com/

Paleojudaica:

http://paleojudaica.blogspot.com/

Persepolis Fortification Archives:

http://persepolistablets.blogspot.com/

Archaeologist at Large:

http://spaces.msn.com/members/ArchaeologyinEgypt/
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ANCIENT GREECE AND ROME (AND CLASSICS)
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Latest on plans for Roman Maryport:

http://www.timesandstar.co.uk/news/other/roman-maryport-plan-will-go-ahead-1.876\
480


A major surveying project for Ostia:

http://www.surveyequipment.com/news/article/roman-port-to-undergo-complete-gnss-\
surveying-177727.html


Marking Marathon Bristol-style:

http://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2011/7882.html

Theory that Roman mosaics can tell us things about ancient fish:

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2011/september/grouper-art-research-090211.html

Latest issue of Teaching Classical Languages:

http://www.tcl.camws.org/spring2011.php

In case you were wondering about how that Marathon reenactment turned out:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gXARXuUc4gFuTJbWh-RY5zRXX50Q?\
docId=CNG.ee29706d29744c955731a90381f66cc5.171


Photos of those Kouroi which were returned to Corinth last week:

http://www.athensnews.gr/photo/46336 (scroll down a bit)

On Rugby and Gladiating:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/capital-life/off-the-field/5569724/Those-wh\
o-scrum-salute-you


Review of Schiff's *Cleopatra*:

http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/books-and-literature/article_b20f33b5-6bb1\
-5b64-8183-a9da71823806.html


Review of Stephen Greenblatt, *The Swerve*:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/17a83246-d876-11e0-8f0a-00144feabdc0.html

Much more coverage of that Roman Gladiator school:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=50277
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,784726,00.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/world-europe-14795756
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/europe/2011/09/2011964401518417.html
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gc2M_D6e3-fiSCyYF4tviqmu5pDw?d\
ocId=c794ba51cdf04818a7c5cb077c86c90f

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/09/07/sensational-discovery-ancient-gladiator-scho\
ol-found-east-of-vienna/

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2011/09/06/Roman-gladiator-school-located-in-Aus\
tria/UPI-42561315348881/

http://www.zmescience.com/science/archaeology/gladiator-school-06092011/
http://www.artmediaagency.com/en/27857/school-for-roman-gladiators-discovered-in\
-austria/

http://www.tampabay.com/news/ruins-in-austria-housed-gladiators/1189929
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/ruins-reveal-how-roman-gladiator\
s-won-their-spurs-2349802.html

http://news.scotsman.com/world/Massive-gladiator-school-is-found.6831299.jp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp65sdQcXVY (video)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2034020/Archaeologists-discover-remains-\
Roman-gladiator-school-Austria.html

http://morningjournal.com/articles/2011/09/05/news/doc4e64e98a42606077849892.txt
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=14450025
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-09-unique-roman-gladiator-unveiled-austria.html
http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/scientists-discover-gladiator-school-\
in-vienna-was-a-prison-for-criminals-and-slaves/story-fn5fsgyc-1226130379575


I'm pretty sure we've mentioned this 'online journey planner' based on the
Tabula Peutingeriana:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/8742884/1700-year-o\
ld-map-of-Roman-roads-used-for-online-journey-planner.html


cf: http://omnesviae.org/

Latest reviews from Scholia:

http://www.classics.ukzn.ac.za/reviews/

Latest reviews from BMCR:

http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/recent.html

Visit our blog:

http://rogueclassicism.com/
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EUROPE AND THE UK (+ Ireland)
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The dig at the Pillar of Eliseg has begun:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-14774061

A Brandon Hill fort wall may not date to the English Civil War after
all:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-14794115

Possible Saxon burials at a Southampton building site:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-14836530

Metal detectorists find some medieval/renaissance small items at a
York farm:

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9236562.Treasure_seekers_dig_up_jewels_on_farmla\
nd/


... while a 13th century seal from Cornwall has been declared treasure:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-14837144

... as has a medieval ring found near Ripon:

http://www.ripongazette.co.uk/news/ripon/medieval_treasure_found_near_ripon_1_37\
53171


Feature on what rituals may have sounded like at Stonehenge:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14746589

On Pucellina of Blois:

http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Judaism/Article.aspx?id=236316

Feature on the HMS Royal George:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-14691988

A model of a lost Surrey Tudor palace has been unveiled:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-14801476

Moot Hill in Driffield is coming up for auction:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-14808673

The Antiques Road Show team found/identified a lock of Napoleon's hair found
at
Walter Scott's house:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-14787806

The Lewis Chessmen have returned 'home':

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-14835915

The Guardian has put up a series of British architecture guides:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/series/british-architecture-guides

Archaeology in Europe Blog:

http://archaeology-in-europe.blogspot.com/

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ASIA AND THE SOUTH PACIFIC
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Chinese archaeologists are working on the capital of the Liao dynasty:

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90782/7588748.html

East Asian Archaeology:

http://eastasiablog.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/east-asian-archaeology-cultural-her\
itage-%E2%80%93-2052010/


Southeast Asian Archaeology Newsblog:

http://www.southeastasianarchaeology.com/

New Zealand Archaeology eNews:

http://www.nzarchaeology.org/netsubnews.htm
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NORTH AMERICA
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Interesting artifact from the Noatak dig in Alaska:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=50376
http://www.uafnews.com/headlines/noatak-prehistoric-site-contains-new-artifacts-\
for-alaska

http://www.pasthorizonspr.com/index.php/archives/09/2011/alaskan-archaeologists-\
find-ancient-artefacts

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/18dd2c20b5b843e2b0b11540b675eb32/AK--Alask\
a-Artifacts/


A team is looking for te original Newtowne (Md) chapel:

http://www.somdnews.com/article/20110909/NEWS/709099855/1044/team-digging-for-or\
iginal-newtowne-chapel&template=southernMaryland


Latest on the WTC shipwreck:

http://news.discovery.com/earth/secrets-of-wtc-ship-revealed-110907.html

Pondering what we know (and ever will know) about the Franklin expedition:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14847091

Possible mammoth petroglyphs in Utah:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52493139-78/rock-malotki-art-images.html.csp

Feature on the history (mostly flooding) of the Susquehanna:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-09-ancient-susquehanna-frequent-fact.html

On assorted (largely forgotten) memorials in NYC:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/nyregion/when-memorials-outlast-the-sentiment-\
behind-them.html

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CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA
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Surveys are revealing a series of walls used as defensive borders between
some Maya sites:

http://www.archaeology.org/1109/features/maya_warfare_yaxchilan_piedras_negras.h\
tml


A Chontal burial from Chilacachapa:

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1051082

Review of Ian Graham, *The Road to Ruins*:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls/articl\
e7179700.ece


Mike Ruggeri's Ancient Americas Breaking News:

http://web.mac.com/michaelruggeri

Ancient MesoAmerica News:

http://ancient-mesoamerica-news-updates.blogspot.com/
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OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST
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Interesting feature on the Replica Workshop (which produces replicas
of ancient sculptures):

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/arts-entertainment/berlin-workshop-produces-repl\
icas-of-ancient-sculptures-61329.html


Five surprise attacks that changed history:

http://www.npr.org/2011/09/06/140156564/5-other-surprise-attacks-that-changed-hi\
story


Why the Mona Lisa is famous:

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/210129/20110907/mona-lisa-why-is-it-so-famous-sm\
ile-leonardo-da-vinci.htm


On Michelangelo's David and the birth of science:

http://helenair.com/lifestyles/michelangelo-s-david-and-the-birth-of-science/art\
icle_b6c12198-d912-11e0-bd13-001cc4c002e0.html


Feature on Russian Orientalism:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/the_tls/articl\
e7179656.ece


On the DNA trail for lactose tolerance:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-09-indians-europeans-milky.html

Father tongue appears to be more appropriate than 'mother tongue' in the
grand
scheme of things:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-09-mother-tongue-prehistoric-father.html

A mysterious page in Tristam Shandy spawns an auction:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2011/sep/11/tristram-shandy-sterne-art-au\
ction


In addition to last week's 'reconstruction' ... a number of academics are
working on Jack the Ripper:

http://chronicle.com/article/Jack-the-Rippers/128842/?sid=wb&utm_source=wb&utm_m\
edium=en


Review of Jonathan Yardley, *Second Reading*:

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/09/09/review-second-reading-notable-and-neglected-b\
ooks-revisited/


Review of Tim Jeal, *Explorers of the Nile*:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/sep/11/burton-speke-african-exploration-nil\
e


Review of Hunt and Lipo, *The Statues that Walked*:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/punctuated-equilibrium/2011/sep/07/3

http://www.ancientdigger.com/
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TOURISTY THINGS
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Cyprus:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destination/cyprus/35375/Cyprus-attractions.ht\
ml


Istanbul:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/luxurytravel/8737438/Istanbul-Turkey-Old-city-\
new-spirit.html

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BLOGS
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About.com Archaeology:

http://archaeology.about.com/

Archaeology Briefs:

http://archaeologybriefs.blogspot.com/

Taygete Atlantis excavations blogs aggregator:

http://planet.atlantides.org/taygete/

Time Machine:

http://heatherpringle.wordpress.com/

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GENERAL MAGAZINES AND JOURNALS
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Latest CSA Newsletter:

http://csanet.org/newsletter/#fall11

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CRIME BEAT
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On looting of sites in Pakistan:

http://www.dawn.com/2011/09/11/smugglers-rob-kp-of-archaeological-wealth.html

Somewhat vague item on some purloined antiquities of "historical oldness"
from
Afghanistan (I think):

http://bakhtarnews.com.af/en/index.php?news=6423

An Egyptian smuggling ring was busted:

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/20859/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/An-Egy\
ptian-antiquities-smuggling-ring-falls-into-.aspx


More details on the folks who stole that Rubens that was recovered last
week:

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/greece-couple-who-had-1163093.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/greek-art-expert-says-couple-who-rece\
ived-stole-rubens-painting-clearly-amateurs/2011/09/08/gIQAwQpECK_story.html


More on Vandals in Rome:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/world-europe-14782948
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/05/vandals-or-at-least-one-sack-a-roma\
n-fountain/


Looting Matters:

http://lootingmatters.blogspot.com/

Illicit Cultural Property:

http://illicit-cultural-property.blogspot.com/

Safe Corner:

http://safecorner.savingantiquities.org/
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NUMISMATICA
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The Frome Hoard is back in Somerset:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-14784721
http://www.thisisthewestcountry.co.uk/news/9237515.Frome_Hoard_in_Taunton/

Some hype for the Prospero Ancient Coin Sale:

http://www.coinweek.com/ancient-coins/baldwins-discusses-the-upcoming-prospero-a\
ncient-coin-sale/


Latest eSylum newsletter:

http://www.coinbooks.org/club_nbs_esylum_v14n37.html

... the newest one should be out later today at:

http://www.coinbooks.org/club_nbs_esylum_v14n38.html

Ancient Coin Collecting:

http://ancientcoincollecting.blogspot.com/

Ancient Coins:

http://classicalcoins.blogspot.com/

Coin Week:

http://www.coinweek.com/========================================================\
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EXHIBITIONS, AUCTIONS, AND MUSEUM-RELATED
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Giacometti and the Etruscans:

http://www.artmediaagency.com/en/27879/%E2%80%9Cgiacometti-and-the-etruscans%E2%\
80%9D-soon-opening-at-paris-pinacotheque/


A Nation Divided:

http://www.thesuburbanite.com/communities/x219196038/Civil-War-exhibit-at-Canton\
-Museum-of-Art


Dura Europos:

http://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2011/09/01/diversity-of-cultures\
-in-ancient-city-of-dura-europos-explored-in-special-exhibition-at-nyus-institut\
e-for-the-study-of-the-ancient-world-at-nyu-.html

http://www.iewy.com/33295-diversity-of-cultures-in-ancient-city-of-dura-europos-\
explored-in-special-exhibition-at-nyu%E2%80%99s-institute-for-the-study-of-the-a\
ncient-world.html


Life and Death in the Pyramid Age:

http://www.41nbc.com/news/state-news/7204-oldest-egyptian-mummy-in-west-in-exhib\
it-at-emory


John Martin: Apocalypse:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-news/8754977/John-Martin-the-artist-v\
ilified-by-establishment-had-gained-a-royal-fan.html


Dix in Dusseldorf:

http://www.artnet.com/magazineus/news/von-spesshardt/otto-dix-watercolors-discov\
ered-8-30-11.asp


The Getty has acquired a 13th century Bible:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=50303
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/2011/09/getty-museum-medieval-bib\
le-.html


Hype for Bonham's upcoming antiquities auction:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=50378

... and Christie's upcoming antiquities auction:

http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=50351

A sacred Aboriginal stone has been withdrawn from an auction:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14840926
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/87466\
18/Auction-of-sacred-Aboriginal-stone-cancelled.html


More on Turkey wanting the BM to return the Sidamara Sarcophagus:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/09/08/turkey.archaeological.repatriation/
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/turkey-demands-return-of-its-elg\
in-marble-2349791.html

http://www.bna.bh/portal/en/news/471164

Review of Madeline Miller, *The Song of Achilles*:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/the-song-of-achill\
es-by-madeline-miller-2352559.html


Check out our Twitter hashtage for more ancient exhibition reviews:

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23classicalexhibit
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PERFORMANCES AND THEATRE-RELATED
================================================================
Check out our Twitter hashtag for Ancient Drama reviews:

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23ancientdrama

... and for Sword and Sandal flicks:

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23swordandsandal
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OBITUARIES
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Tomas Hagg:

http://rogueclassicism.com/2011/09/09/d-m-tomas-hagg/

Michael Hart:

http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Michael_S._Hart

Christopher Small:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/11/arts/music/christopher-small-cultural-musicolo\
gist-is-dead-at-84.html

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The Book and the Spade:

http://www.radioscribe.com/bknspade.htm

Stone Pages Archaeology News:

http://news.stonepages.com/

Archaeologica Audio News:

http://www.archaeologychannel.org/AudioNews.asp

Naked Archaeology Podcast:

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/podcasts/archaeology/
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