Another great suggestion from Pierre, also added to
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/commentary/020915Pierre_protocol.ht
m


Name:     Pierre
Subject:  Helping Mr. Tilley prove his claims using the Xantrex "Link"
power monitor
Email:    pierre4list@...
Website:  none


There is a simple electrical metering system which would go a long way
towards settling the questions about how much power is used or produced by
one of Mr. Tilley's machines.  It is originally intended for boats and is
now used in some conventional electric cars.  It was first made by Crusing
Designs, then sold with Freedom inverters and chargers and now is produced
by Xantrex.   (It has been called an E-meter which is NOT to be confused
with a similarly named totally different gadget from the Scientology folks).

The meter measures battery voltages and current (using a very low resistance
shunt) but it adds another important wrinkle tailored for the Tilley
situation-- it computes the amount of power which has either been put into
or taken out of the battery.  I have used one of these on a high power
electrical hydraulic system on an experimental racing sailboat and it works
very well and installing is very simple.   Here is how the current
manufacturer describes it:

"Formerly known as the "E-Meter", Link 10 is a state-of-the-art single
battery bank monitor that uses sophisticated microprocessor technology to
report all significant battery information. A simple and easy-to-use
interface displays volts, amps, amp hours, and operating time remaining.
Link 10 allows you to select Automatic, Sleep and Scanning modes.

** note ** (my emphasis):

--------
Link 10 also measures and reports kilowatt hours and historical battery
information such as number of charge cycles, deepest discharge, and average
depth of discharge.
--------

It automatically calculates and displays charging efficiency. Link 10 can be
used with 12 or 24-volt battery banks. By adding an optional prescaler, Link
10 can also monitor battery banks up to 500 volts."

The Link 10 display is no bigger than a standard panel meter such as was
shown in the photos of the Tilley electric car and it fits a standard panel
mounting hole.  The shunt is maybe 2 inches long and weighs a few ounces.
Except for wiring, there are no other parts.  Installation instructions are
clear and easy.   Readings are unequivocal.

The manufacturer's web page is:

http://www.cruisingequip.com/Products/Inst_Acc/link10/link10.html

You can find the phone number of West Marine or Boat US locally with a
directory or you can look at their web sites:

http://www.westmarine.com  and http://www.boatus.com

Why would Mr. Tilley NOT use such a metering system?  It costs less than
$300 and be installed in about two hours.  I have two of them currently on a
boat and they work perfectly.

here's an especially interesting comment that came in on the discussion
board:

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/commentary/020915Pierre_protocol.ht
m

reprinted from
http://pub6.bravenet.com/forum/fetch.php?id=10000915&usernum=487525627

Name:     Pierre
Subject:  mystified by lack of proper tests
Email:    pierre4list@...
Website:  www.factsforum.org


Why does one need a hokey DeLorean to test a claim for a new way to generate
unlimited free power?   Supposedly, Mr. Tilley's entire "lab" receives its
electrical power from one of his chargers.  Great.  One can design a
DEFINITIVE CONCLUSIVE test which can be done in a few hours with equipment
costing at most a few hundred dollars to lease.  Here's how:

1. Install the device to be tested (charger or generator) on a transparent
elevated platform such as a plastic or glass top table so that nobody can
cheat (such as by providing power through hidden wires).

2. Connect the device to generate power into a large cooled resistive load
resistor used for testing power supplies or alternatively have it run a
substantial sized motor with a frictional load or with a large fan for load.

3. Measure the input voltage and current with calibrated instruments
supplied by an impartial commercial leasing source (such as Metermaster if
they are still around).  Or have a local college or university provide
consultants and instruments.   If the device's output is other than DC,
appropriate averaging methods must be used but that's not rocket science.

4.  Decide how long the device could supply the measured power if all all of
that power came ONLY from the batteries-- if the machine is supplied in a
sealed box WITH batteries inside, you will have to estimate what part of its
volume at most could be batteries.  If you can SEE the batteries and the
device is small enough not to contain hidden batteries, you can just count
them.

5.  Run the experiment ten times or so as long or longer than could be
expected to be feasible on the battery power alone-- according to the claims
it should run until something wears out mechanically but let's not get
grandiose.

THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO DO under proper observation to avoid cheating and
trickery.  It would REVOLUTIONIZE everything that is known about modern
physics if it worked.  The inventor's smallest and least significant prize
might be the Nobel.  Absolutely NOTHING needs to be revealed about how the
device works or what it's hidden components are.

Now what I want to know, Mr. Tilley and other proponents and believers, and
I am asking politely, is WHY HAS THIS NOT TAKEN PLACE -- a simple
straightforward explanation if you please?

----- Original Message -----

From: David Oliver

To: Tilley_Fans@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 3:44 PM

Subject: Re: [Tilley_Fans] Sterling is Looking for personal loan/investment; quitting day job

Perhaps you should send us your resume?  I don't trust people I don't know
for much of anything, much less sizable personal loans.  I don't even know
if I would think you're qualified.  Please don't attempt any further
solicitations to my email.

Thank you,
David Kent Oliver

[STERLING'S REPLY:  My resume is found at
http://www.sterlingdallan.com/resume/
As list creator and moderator, I believe it is appropriate for me to solitic this list with my quest for a loan to be able to pursue the the manufacturing of these technologies, as we are very close on several fronts to doing so.]

Perhaps you should send us your resume?  I don't trust people I don't know
for much of anything, much less sizable personal loans.  I don't even know
if I would think you're qualified.  Please don't attempt any further
solicitations to my email.

Thank you,
David Kent Oliver

[STERLING'S REPLY:  My resume is found at
http://www.sterlingdallan.com/resume/
As list creator and moderator, I believe it is appropriate for me to solitic
this list with my quest for a loan to be able to pursue the the manufacturing of
these technologies, as we are very close on several fronts to doing so.]


From: "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@...>
Reply-To: Tilley_Fans@yahoogroups.com
To: "Greater Things Newsletter" <greater_things@yahoogroups.com>,   "Greater
Things -- Christian Newsletter" <gt_christian@yahoogroups.com>,
"Sterling's Friends" <SDAfriends@yahoogroups.com>,   "Sterling's Newsletter"
<sterlingda@yahoogroups.com>,   "David's Outcasts"
<davids_outcasts@yahoogroups.com>,   "Patriot Saints Newsletter"
<patriotsaints@yahoogroups.com>,   "Tilley Fans Newsletter"
<Tilley_fans@yahoogroups.com>
CC: "American Patriot Friend Network egroup" <apfn@yahoogroups.com>,   "God
Bless America egroup" <God_Bless_America@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Tilley_Fans] Sterling is Looking for personal loan/investment;
quitting day job
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:10:16 -0600



Summary: seeking short-term, personal loan, to be able to quit day job and
devote more time to activities very close to manifesting.

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/investors/sterling_loan.htm


Dear friends of the pursuit for alternate energy,

Our team [speaking generally to include you, as well as specifically
regarding particular individuals in which I have a defined working
relationship] is involved in several very exciting projects. For a sampling
see
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/investors/

I serve as one of the primary coordinators of this team (not the Tilley
Foundation)

We anticipate that within six months, we will have a device available for
purchase; and before then, we anticipate that as several of these devices
are replicated, that we will be able to get funding.

Because these free energy devices are all in the "shortly to come" phase,
and we do not yet have an income stream going, all our efforts at this time
are of necessity on the "shoestring budget" variety.

Meanwhile, as one of the main coordinators of these activities, I have been
very limited lately because of having to work a temporary job on the side
(10-hour days 5 days a week doing construction) in order to stay afloat
financially. My schedule goes something like this: 6:00 am awake, check
email; 7:00 am go to day job; 12:00 pm half hour lunch, peek at email; 5:30
pm come home, shower, eat; do email, webwork, coordinating until around 2-3
am.

To do just service to the commitments I've made, I need to be able devote
the time that I'm now spending working this temporary day job. I need to
quit that job; but I will need some way to carry my family financially until
these other things generate a cash flow.

So confident I am that we are so close, this evening, I plan to give my boss
notice that I would like to quit so I can pursue these endeavors more fully.
I informed him at the time he hired me that my employment there was a
stop-gap fix until things became more fruitful with the energy devices.

I am approaching you to see if any of you or several of you might be willing
to extent to me a personal loan.

The terms I propose would be a return of the money in six months with a 15%
gratuity attached if things go successfully; and if not by then, then in a
year, with a 20% gratuity attached if things go successfully by then; or
with a minimum 10% gratuity then, if things have not gone as well as we had
hoped.

If you would like to extend such a loan, from $200 to $8000, let me know,
and we can discuss further in private.

Sincerely,

Sterling D. Allan
www.sterlingdallan.com
666 S. 60 E.
Ephraim, UT 84627

435-283-6340
fax 734-468-1314


_________________________________________________________________
Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Hmmm, let's see... I work in construction and get up at 4:30 am and start work
at 7:30 am over a hundred miles away for an 8 hr or better day and finish at
4:00 pm or later and travel for another 2 hrs to get home. I earn my money as
I'm sure you do presently and I also work at my free energy projects every
waking spare moment and I don't wah :(  to others for money to get me there. So,
my answer is don't give up your day job just yet, cause you don't get any money
from me. Furthermore any further requests for money will force me to
unsubscribe. Mind you I'm not angry, I just won't tolerate panhandling in this
field as it already has such a poor reputation anyway.  Plz keep it dignified.
regards, Chuck Farrar


[STERLING'S RESPONSE: I'm not looking for a hand out.  I'm looking for a loan. 
There is a very big difference.  A loan is very common for a start-up business. 
We are very close to some fantastic breakthroughs, but until they come, we need
funds to carry us through.  I'm promising a return on the loan, with a gratuity
attached.  Probably a lot safer and profitable than most anything you can find
in the stock market right now.  That is not mooching, it is a win-win request.]


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Sterling D. Allan
   To: Greater Things Newsletter ; Greater Things -- Christian Newsletter ;
Sterling's Friends ; Sterling's Newsletter ; David's Outcasts ; Patriot Saints
Newsletter ; Tilley Fans Newsletter
   Cc: American Patriot Friend Network egroup ; God Bless America egroup
   Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:10 PM
   Subject: [Tilley_Fans] Sterling is Looking for personal loan/investment;
quitting day job



   Summary: seeking short-term, personal loan, to be able to quit day job and
   devote more time to activities very close to manifesting.

   http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/investors/sterling_loan.htm


   Dear friends of the pursuit for alternate energy,

   Our team [speaking generally to include you, as well as specifically
   regarding particular individuals in which I have a defined working
   relationship] is involved in several very exciting projects. For a sampling
   see
   http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/investors/

   I serve as one of the primary coordinators of this team (not the Tilley
   Foundation)

   We anticipate that within six months, we will have a device available for
   purchase; and before then, we anticipate that as several of these devices
   are replicated, that we will be able to get funding.

   Because these free energy devices are all in the "shortly to come" phase,
   and we do not yet have an income stream going, all our efforts at this time
   are of necessity on the "shoestring budget" variety.

   Meanwhile, as one of the main coordinators of these activities, I have been
   very limited lately because of having to work a temporary job on the side
   (10-hour days 5 days a week doing construction) in order to stay afloat
   financially. My schedule goes something like this: 6:00 am awake, check
   email; 7:00 am go to day job; 12:00 pm half hour lunch, peek at email; 5:30
   pm come home, shower, eat; do email, webwork, coordinating until around 2-3
   am.

   To do just service to the commitments I've made, I need to be able devote
   the time that I'm now spending working this temporary day job. I need to
   quit that job; but I will need some way to carry my family financially until
   these other things generate a cash flow.

   So confident I am that we are so close, this evening, I plan to give my boss
   notice that I would like to quit so I can pursue these endeavors more fully.
   I informed him at the time he hired me that my employment there was a
   stop-gap fix until things became more fruitful with the energy devices.

   I am approaching you to see if any of you or several of you might be willing
   to extent to me a personal loan.

   The terms I propose would be a return of the money in six months with a 15%
   gratuity attached if things go successfully; and if not by then, then in a
   year, with a 20% gratuity attached if things go successfully by then; or
   with a minimum 10% gratuity then, if things have not gone as well as we had
   hoped.

   If you would like to extend such a loan, from $200 to $8000, let me know,
   and we can discuss further in private.

   Sincerely,

   Sterling D. Allan
   www.sterlingdallan.com
   666 S. 60 E.
   Ephraim, UT 84627

   435-283-6340
   fax 734-468-1314



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Summary: seeking short-term, personal loan, to be able to quit day job and
devote more time to activities very close to manifesting.

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/investors/sterling_loan.htm


Dear friends of the pursuit for alternate energy,

Our team [speaking generally to include you, as well as specifically
regarding particular individuals in which I have a defined working
relationship] is involved in several very exciting projects. For a sampling
see
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/investors/

I serve as one of the primary coordinators of this team (not the Tilley
Foundation)

We anticipate that within six months, we will have a device available for
purchase; and before then, we anticipate that as several of these devices
are replicated, that we will be able to get funding.

Because these free energy devices are all in the "shortly to come" phase,
and we do not yet have an income stream going, all our efforts at this time
are of necessity on the "shoestring budget" variety.

Meanwhile, as one of the main coordinators of these activities, I have been
very limited lately because of having to work a temporary job on the side
(10-hour days 5 days a week doing construction) in order to stay afloat
financially. My schedule goes something like this: 6:00 am awake, check
email; 7:00 am go to day job; 12:00 pm half hour lunch, peek at email; 5:30
pm come home, shower, eat; do email, webwork, coordinating until around 2-3
am.

To do just service to the commitments I've made, I need to be able devote
the time that I'm now spending working this temporary day job. I need to
quit that job; but I will need some way to carry my family financially until
these other things generate a cash flow.

So confident I am that we are so close, this evening, I plan to give my boss
notice that I would like to quit so I can pursue these endeavors more fully.
I informed him at the time he hired me that my employment there was a
stop-gap fix until things became more fruitful with the energy devices.

I am approaching you to see if any of you or several of you might be willing
to extent to me a personal loan.

The terms I propose would be a return of the money in six months with a 15%
gratuity attached if things go successfully; and if not by then, then in a
year, with a 20% gratuity attached if things go successfully by then; or
with a minimum 10% gratuity then, if things have not gone as well as we had
hoped.

If you would like to extend such a loan, from $200 to $8000, let me know,
and we can discuss further in private.

Sincerely,

Sterling D. Allan
www.sterlingdallan.com
666 S. 60 E.
Ephraim, UT 84627

435-283-6340
fax 734-468-1314

From: Peter Lindemann

To: Sterling D. Allan

Cc: cktilley@...

Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:40 AM

Subject: Re: Tilley's Shop Power Supply

 Dear Sterling,

The link I sent you from Minnesota Global was NOT an endorsement by me of Carl Tilley's technology.  There has been a great deal of SPECULATION about what his technology is, that it is not, and I was just trying to point you in a direction that was, at least, based in facts.  Even so, this article does not reveal the method of operation of the device.

On his website, Mr. Tilley is abundantly clear about his policy for ABSOLUTE SECRECY.  Therefore, it is rational to assume that any information he lets out will NOT reveal anything that he believes will allow someone else to duplicate the device without his permission.

I have many reasons to "believe" that Mr. Tilley's technology is genuine, but since I have not seen it, and I do not understand the science behind the machine, I cannot "endorse" it at this time.  More importantly, Mr. Tilley's technology does not need my endorsement to be what it is.  Endorsements are best used in the realm of politics, not science!

I look forward to learning more about how Mr. Tilley's technologies really work.  He certainly has stirred up the field!

Also, I would appreciate you removing the statement from my email to you on your website, regarding the link to the article at Minnesota Global.  My name does not need to be associated with this story, primarily because I haven't done anything!  At the end of the link, Mr. Anderson and Mr. Sherlock seem to be endorsing the technology, and their eye-witness report is credible at this time.  What more do you need?

Thank you for continuing to gather information on this story.  I have found your reporting to be quite good.

Best wishes,

Peter Lindemann, DSc

"Sterling D. Allan" wrote:

Hi Peter, Thanks for the lead.  Someone else notified me of it earlier. With your permission, I would like to post your "endorsement" or encouragement of it as a preface when I post it to the site, which mnglobal gave me permission to do. I've been wondering if you would respond, and curious what you would say. I would invite a synopsis report from you that I would link from the commentary page, among other places.  It would include a link to your site. For now, I've linked to this account fromhttp://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/how/ Sterling ----- Original Message -----

From: Peter Lindemann

To: Sterling D. Allan

Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 5:38 PM

Subject: Tilley's Shop Power Supply

 Dear Sterling,

Here is the real scoop on what powers Tilley's shop.  Enjoy.

Peter
http://www.mnglobal.com/energy/pg2.htm
 

Hello,

The moderator of the Tilley group has changed the group's name.
This means that both the group's email address and the group home page
location have changed.

The group email address:
Tilley_Fans@yahoogroups.com

The group home page location:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tilley_Fans

If you have links which point to this group or an address book entry
for the group, you should update them, as the old addresses will no
longer work.

Regards,

Yahoo! Groups Customer Care

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/FAQ/battery_charge_testhing.htm

I'll be posting additional info from them there too on this question.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Littlefield" <dougl@...>
To: "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: questions from the floor for Tilley


Interesting thing is that "we" did not do the battery testing at the track,
it was an independent engineer hired by the media......

When asked if this party could do his own tests we said he test anything
he wanted except our device itself....he brought his own meter and this is
what HE chose to do.

We have V & A information from our own tests over the past weeks of
driving the car around.

I tell you what, at the next test we will still let independent qualified
people test whatever
they'd like but we'll also bring our equipment and if none of them consider
the amps  we'll
use our meter and have it viewed by the public for confirmation.

I think this is better than me just giving our results from tests where we
were the only ones
to observe the result.

Doug L


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@...>
To: "Doug Littlefield" <dougl@...>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:01 PM
Subject: questions from the floor for Tilley


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: *********
> To: "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@...>
> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 6:04 PM
> Subject: magnetic motor
>
>
>
>
> NOTE:  Tilley test, end point voltage 11.4 volts per battery....
> this is a pretty rough discharge.
>
> Do you know any other information from Tilley other than battery
> voltage only?
>
> You would think if these folks, who do not appear low in
> intelligence, wanted to make people feel confident they might report
> something such as:
>
> 1) start battery V and A under load
> 2) 10 min V and A
> 3) end V and A...
>
> How is it we do not get this data?
>
>
>
>
>

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/FAQ/superspeedway_link.htm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Denise Stevens" <dstevens@...>
To: "'Sterling D. Allan'" <sterlingda@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:58 AM
Subject: RE: please put link on your site regarding Tilley Demo Sept. 7,
2002


We don't put links on our website for track rentals.  Thanks so much.

Denise Stevens
Ticket Manager
Nashville Superspeedway
615-547-7197 Phone
615-547-7225 Fax

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sterling D. Allan [SMTP:sterlingda@...]
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:34 PM
> To: nashvillesuperspeedway@...
> Subject: please put link on your site regarding Tilley Demo Sept. 7,
> 2002
>
> relevant links
> http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/
>
> www.tilleyfoundation.com
>
> This is one of the most landmark events to take place at your track!
>
> Sterling D. Allan
> 666 S. 60 E.
> Ephraim, UT 84627
>
> 435-283-6340
> fax 734-468-1314

Another Report and Testimonial of Tilley Demo -- Jan Roos, as reported by
Eugene F. Mallove of infinite-energy.com
http://www.escribe.com/science/vortex/m24281.html

Roos is a Mechanical Engineer who flew in from Massachusetts for the demo.

account added to the list of eye-witnesses archived at
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/testimonials/

Keep the reports coming.

Sterling

----- Original Message -----

From: Sterling D. Allan

To: Tilley Newsletter ; Free Energy egroup

Cc: Doug Littlefield ; cktilley@...

Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:35 PM

Subject: Tilley Response: Q. how hard is it to change bearings?

Doug Littlefield, of the Tilley Foundation, provided the following response to the oft-asked question: "How hard would it have been to change the bearings in the DeLorean?  Why didn't you do it and proceed with the demo?"

 

I've posted this official response at

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/FAQ/bearing_change.htm

 

Please also see our new page:

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/how_to_help/

"How to Help"

 

We pulled this website together a day before the much anticipated Sept. 7 demo event, and were the only ones to provide play by play coverage during the day.  Next time around, we want to have a far more professional and prepared service.  Also, we wish to provide good follow-up of the Sept. 7 event: to log the highlights, increase general awareness and interest, and secure testimonials of those who have witnessed the technology

 

More stuff coming from today's mail bag -- later tonight -- including from Doug Littlefield.

 

Sterling

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Vesperman" <vman@...>
To: "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@...>
Cc: "Douglas Littlefield" <dougl@...>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 12:13 AM
Subject: Convert Aimrite test car for next demo?


Sterling,

Bruce Meland, who publishes the electric vehicle journal Electrifying Times,
emailed to me and a few other close EV buddies his report on the TEV demo.
At 6 a.m. there had been a test run of 50 laps which is 66 miles. Add that
to the 23 miles of the actual public demo and we have a total of 89 miles.
The batteries were still fully charged, which I would consider fairly
convincing of the Delorean charger's ultimate potential.

The Tilley people are talking about having a second and possibly even a
third vehicle for next month's demo. Here is an idea:

As you know, I am advocating combining several technologies into an advanced
yet very practical self-powered electric car to be produced and sold. One of
them is Aimrite International's computerized suspension.

When I wrote their IPO several years ago, one of their objectives was to buy
a GM Suburban and install a prototype computerized suspension for testing
and demonstrations. I would explore with them the possibility of converting
one of their test vehicles into a self-powered EV for next month's demo.
This way at least one other of the technologies to be ultimately combined
into the advanced self-powered EV can be demonstrated also.

Aimrite's people include some first-class engineering experts in
suspensions. They may be able to advise on modifying the Delorean to ride
better and more reliably at high speeds on the Nashville Superspeedway.

Gary Vesperman
702-435-7947

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike Brady

To: Sterling D. Allan

Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 12:09 AM

Subject: Re: Free Energy Ramifications of Tornado in Manti, UT Sept. 8, 2002

Just hang in there I do believe that you are destined for far greater things than even you can imagine, you have been an inspiration to all of us that are striving to achieve a better world, we the people on the ground that have our hands mixed in with the tools have turned to you to spread our work around the world, a person whom is not afraid to say what is on his mind, and like us would like to see the world change for the better, in the face of all the critics keep your face up and look at them straight in the eye , for as you say the truth will prevail.

 

Mike Brady
[http://www.perendev.co.za/prod01.htm]

----- Original Message -----

From: Sterling D. Allan

To: David's Outcasts ; Sterling's Friends ; Sanpete Valley Patriot Saints ; Utah Valley Patriot Saints ; Salt Lake Valley Patriot Saints ; Greater Things Newsletter ; Sterling's Newsletter ; Dream MIne e-group ; Tilley Newsletter

Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:37 AM

Subject: Free Energy Ramifications of Tornado in Manti, UT Sept. 8, 2002

[I just looked at the clock as I began composing this, and the clock reads 11:11 (per message sent earlier today).]

 

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/commentary/020908Manti_Tornado.htm

 

As some of you have heard in the news, there was a Tornado in Manti-Ephraim Utah today, which is where I live.

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/press_releases/020908carl_tilley.ht
m

----- Original Message -----
From: "The Tilley's" <cktilley@...>
To: "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@...>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: official statement?


Hi...


Official statement is to be posted soon on the web site under most likely
the validation page....However I will sate we will fix the car....rig it for
high speed track run.....also build a SUV and run both at the same time on
the tract to prove the point.....I will not be discouraged by a small $25
part....hopefully we will set all this up again within 30 days.


Thanks,

Carl Tilley



----- Original Message -----
From: "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@...>
To: "Doug Littlefield" <dougl@...>; <cktilley@...>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:17 AM
Subject: official statement?


> What is your official statement? When will the next event be?
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The "validation" page of which he speaks is
http://www.tilleyfoundation.com/validation.htm

From: Bob Colvin

To: Sterling D. Allan

Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 8:06 AM

Subject: TEV - How It Works !!!

The Tom Bearden Website

http://www.cheniere.org/misc/oulist.htm

 

Back-Popping a Two-Current Lead-Acid Battery WARNING: THE FOLLOWING EXPERIMENTS ARE HAZARDOUS.  DO NOT ATTEMPT THESE EXPERIMENTS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES UNLESS YOU ARE AN EXPERIENCED ELECTRICAL RESEARCHER, EXPERIENCED IN PERFORMING EXPERIMENTS WITH LEAD-ACID BATTERIES AND PULSE CHARGE AND DISCHARGE OF SAME, AND UNLESS YOU ALSO USE ALL SAFETY PRECAUTIONS SUCH AS GOGGLES AND PROTECTIVE GLOVES, SLEEVES, AND APRON.  YOU MUST NOT HAVE OTHER INFLAMMABLE LIQUIDS OR OTHER SUBSTANCES PRESENT WHICH COULD BE IGNITED AND BURN OR EXPLODE.  SURGED LEAD-ACID BATTERIES PRODUCE HYDROGEN GAS, WHICH CAN EASILY EXPLODE SINCE SPARKING ALSO CAN OCCUR.  THE ACID FROM SUCH AN EXPLOSION CAN EASILY BLIND YOU IF IT GETS IN YOUR EYES, AND IT CAN BURN YOUR SKIN.  IN ADDITION, LEAD AND LEAD COMPOUNDS ARE POISONS, AND ARE TO BE HANDLED ONLY BY EXPERIENCED RESEARCHERS.  THESE EXPERIMENTS ARE NOT FOR AMATEURS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, BUT ONLY FOR EXPERIENCED PROFESSIONALS WITH PROPER KNOWLEDGE AND TRAINING, More than one inventor has discovered or rediscovered a "magic" thing about lead-acid storage batteries powering circuits, usually without understanding precisely what it is that he has really discovered.  The chemical and electrical actions going on in a lead-acid cell are quite complex, and involve interactions in both the positive plate, negative plate, and in the electrolyte itself.  The usual chemical interactions primarily specify the overall changes of the plate materials from one form to the other (i. e. , for charge and for discharge conditions).  However, there are many other ions (including both H+ which are free protons, and free electrons) involved in the reactions.  Particularly significant is the double surface and overpotential effects.  We state without further elaboration that the proper use of the overpotentials in these double surfaces can produce current that moves against the voltage.  In other words, there are processes available in the battery that allow -- under very precise conditions -- parts of the battery to perform as negative resistors.  When that action occurs, the very notion of "charge and discharge" is reversed.  Further, the multiple currents and many nonlinear mechanisms involved, allow various currents to move in opposite directions; some with the voltage and some against the voltage.  Again, we leave further analysis along that line to the experts, only appealing to them that time-reversal effects must also be considered.  In other words, in addition to the "external charges" of molecules and atoms that they normally consider, there are also ongoing a huge variety of nuclear currents and charging that presently do not appear in any book on batteries, at least any I know of.  There are at least three major currents in such a battery: (1) the ion current in the electrolyte, (2) the electron current in the conductors (electrode materials, terminal connectors, etc), and (3) charge transfer reactions at the electrode/electrolyte interfaces.  For our purposes we shall consider primarily only the ion current and the electron current, and we consider only lead-acid batteries.  For an introduction to various kinds of batteries, we refer the interested reader to a fine little text by Vincent, and to other similar texts on modern batteries.  For deep understanding of the electrochemistry, we refer the reader to the full series of 13 volumes by Bockris and Conway.  We shall also rather ignore the double layer effects, which are in fact quite important because they are responsible for the producing overpotentials, phase shifting of currents, etc.  The present "analysis" can be materially deepened by taking into account the double surface layers, their redistributions of charge, the internal resistances of the cell to the various currents, etc.  We leave that for the experts and encourage that it be done.  Here we just wish to get at the basic servomechanism overshoot mechanism that one can evoke, which usually does not appear in conventional analyses at all.  This mechanism can be used to produce (1) currents (either ion or electron or H+) moving against the voltage, (2) opposition charge densities which are then volumetrically "squeezed" to produce large overpotentials not normally connected with the charge transfer interactions at the double surfaces, and (3) specific phase shifting of currents.  It is our contention that, by achieving proper timing of these overshoot effects in battery in ionic current resonance, one can produce an asymmetrically self-regauging battery which charges itself and also powers its load.  For the purist, there are also other mechanisms involved that are still unknown, hence accounting for the "adjustments" and "tuning" that usually must be meticulously performed.  For an equal charge, the ions in the lead ion current (say, in lead sulfate) are several hundred thousand times more massive than the electrons in the electron current.  They are on the order of more than 200 times more massive than the H+ ions in that ionic current.  Further, the ionic current will resonate (and probably other currents simultaneously as well, since resonance in this case probably represents a coordinated resonance among different currents) as shown by Ahluktenko, usually in the multi-megahertz range.  Since the battery is so highly nonlinear in its dynamics, subharmonic and harmonic resonance effects also are present, particularly subharmonic resonances.  We believe that it is also possible to couple and synchronize molecular oscillations, ion current oscillations, and material lattice oscillations in the electrodes, in harmonic and subharmonic oscillation fashion, but that is a quite different subject.  Such more subtle (but can be powerful) effects may occur onl So you can resonate the ionic current, or the "coordinated" currents.  Relatively speaking — that is a coordinated current dominated by massive ions with lots of inertia and overshoot when the current tries to change intensity or reverse direction, due to Lenz's law (an induced emf in a conductor is always polarized in a direction so as to oppose the change that causes the induced emf).  In this case we have a multiplicity of Lenz's law effects induced when we try to change the ionic current.  Some of the accompanying currents can be affected quite differently from the ion current.  Because of this Lenz law complex dynamics, a simple "back pop" to oppose the ion current, or to accelerate it, is not a simple current and voltage matter at all.  Indeed, the exact relationships in such are a quite worthy study for some exotic physical chemistry.  So we just grossly summarize, with rules-of-thumb, and delay the precision to future detailed studies by very fine laboratory teams.  Here's the rough secret: the chemistry of the battery is largely dominated and affected by the ion current in the absence of overriding electron current, while the external load is dominated and affected by the electron current alone.  You can easily pick a point in the ion current resonance cycle (say, when the ionic current in resonance is in the battery-charging half cycle), and just instantly switch the electron current to oppose it.  That's a bit of an oversimplification; you actually must get the phasing correct to properly form new and increased overpotentials, precisely at the proper times so as to charge the battery and/or powering the load.  Note that with currents moving in opposite directions, the intention is for one current to predominate in the battery in charging mode, while another current or group predominates in the load in discharging mode.  If you powerfully oppose the ion current, Lenz's law is evoked powerfully, so that the ion current actually increases its charge capability for a moment, due to its massivity.  The Lenz law emf and the back-popped emf also produce a tremendous stress potential (a scalar potential by another name), energetically lifting the ions and particles to a higher potential state.  That is, you momentarily increased the reaction cross section of those ions and electrons etc., and so you increased the collector systems' dipolarity.  Thus they momentarily receive and collect excess energy from their increased asymmetry in their active vacuum exchange.  In short, they momentarily asymmetrically self-regauge, which is taking on free excess energy from the vacuum.  We note that the generation of the Lenz law emf effect actually comes from the atomic nuclei, but do not further explain it.  The point is, you just legitimately extracted excess energy from legitimate environmental sources.  You converted the system into an open dissipative system, removing any necessity for it to conform to classical thermodynamics because it momentarily is far from equilibrium with its active vacuum environment.  Further, the inertia of the ions together with the Lenz law effects, causes the ions to continue in charging mode.  This in turn "volumetrically squeezes" the opposing charges into a smaller volume, further increasing the charge density and thereby the potential magnitude (i. e. , further increasing the asymmetry of all those charges in the vacuum exchange, and thereby absorbing more energy from the vacuum).  The production of that "charge density squeeze" produces a new kind of overpotential that we can use to power the load (i. e. , in electron discharge mode) at the same time that the ion current continues to charge the battery.  You've just got yourself a true free energy or negative resistor effect, if you can master it and use it with proper timing.  Note that by simple switching (very sharply, in 5 nanoseconds or less) and phase relationships, you can take power electron current in the external circuit in the discharge mode, by simply letting this overpotential be connected to the external circuit to energize the Drude electrons.  And you are momentarily doing that while you are still charging the battery.  Since you are going to be producing "discharge pulses of Poynting energy flow from the overpotentials" onto the external circuit in brief spurts, it is wise to use the "pulse discharging" to also charge a "current smoothing" capacitor of proper capacitance.  Therefore you convert your "overpotential pulses" in the external circuit into smoothed rippling current through the load.  If you elaborate on these processes and play with them for awhile (like several months!), you can also see how to phase things in either "DC" through the load fashion, or "AC" through the load fashion.  But the point is, you really can induce one or more processes that allow simultaneously charging the battery (changing the chemistry in the charging mode) while discharging energy onto the Drude electron gas in the external circuit, powering them up and thereby powering the load.  And you have not violated any laws of physics or thermodynamics, and the conservation of energy law is enforced at all times.  Presently I know of no other book or paper that has such as its stated goal.  The books and current research seem to all try to "coherently organize and synchronize" the various battery processes and currents to maximize charging and maximize discharging efficiency, while keeping the two completely separate.  On the other hand, our purpose is to "decoherently organize and synchronize" the various battery processes and currents, to accomplish charging of the battery and discharging through the load to power it, simultaneously.  In short, we seek to convert the battery and its processes into an open dissipative system capable of overunity operation, and all the way to self-powering operation while powering a load also.  The ion current can only sluggishly slow to a stop for its reversal; it requires it a finite amount of time to do that.  So it continues right on charging the battery for awhile.  During that ion current hysteresis or overshoot time, you have a tremendous "charge density squeeze" occurring.  This gives you an overpotential to use, and you can use it in dramatically different manners, simultaneously, on differing current types.  So you produce a large overpotential in spike or very sudden buildup, essentially "for free" or nearly so.  The other end of that overpotential can be connected (switched onto) the load to deliver a surge of power (sorry for the "normal" terminology!) in the load because of the surge of the overpotential across it.  If you time it correctly, you can get a much higher voltage surge from that overpotential, across the load's impedance.  And that means you generate a higher electron current through that load, which consequently produces greater power because of the overpotential, than what you yourself had to pay for.  Clever devil that you are, you used that massive old ion current's overshoot to "squeeze" the charge density dramatically upward and almost freely form that overpotential for you.  Then you adroitly (and quite suddenly) connected that overpotential near its peak, right across the external circuit electrons, to power the load, and "let 'er rip. " After all, applying a voltage V to a circuit is in fact asymmetrically regauging that circuit and changing its collected energy.  The magnitude of D V or overpotential is a measure of the additional amount of asymmetrical self-regauging of the system you obtained.  It’s a measure of how much more the system was "opened" to receiving excess energy freely from its active vacuum potential environment.  Who says you must have all the currents in the entire battery-external circuit systems all in phase or nearly so?  Simply put, you wish the ion current in the battery to be about 180° out of phase with the electron current in the load.  And as the ion current oscillates, you wish it highly overpotentialized in the charge mode, and very much less potentialized in its discharge half cycle (for resonance conditions).  You need just the opposite in the electron current through the load.  You need that current highly potentialized whenever it is flowing through the load.  If you use DC power in the load, you must disconnect the overpotential formed by the back-popping "squeeze" and let the smoothing capacitor discharge to power the load, during the discharge half of the ion current Let me warn you that you must use microwave switching techniques, and you must switch in 5 nanoseconds or less; one nanosecond is better.  The entire overpotential is likely to be over in about 20 to 40 nanoseconds, depending upon the specific battery, load, and other circuit conditions.  Capacitance effects may extend this in some cases up to a microsecond.  So if all you know is ordinary motor switching, go get the services of a microwave switching engineer first.  The average motor switching fellow will be amazed at the notion of switching so suddenly.  The microwave switching engineer will simply shrug his shoulders and say, "Piece of cake!"  He does that every day without a second's hesitation.  But as you can see, working your way through all this and getting everything timed just right, is still a significant undertaking.  It's not a simple thing at all.  You can also see why so many ordinary switching guys have failed at it, and why most of them were incapable of replicating John Bedini's little battery-popping self-powered motor system.  If you are very clever with your measurements and timing, you can get that ion current to keep on resonating, and use it as a "very stiff oscillating spring" on which to store and release larger amounts of energy in terms of electron charges and potentials.  You can manipulate the potentials, including the overpotential.  You can essentially do what Nikola Tesla did in his circuits: You can shuttle potential and potential energy in different directions in different parts of your overall circuit, use multiple currents and multiple current directions.  You can control what you do energetically in the various parts of the circuit.  And you can eliminate the back-emf phenomenon that in the normal current loop with single current type is responsible for always killing the source dipole.  Now you can continually restore the dipole and power the load independently, simultaneously.  There are many variations on the above, at least four major ones.  There are many additional ones when you apply other timed oscillations (LC oscillators), inductors, etc.  to the circuit.  In all, there are at least a hundred or more major variations you can make to this basic circuit operation.  All have something to be said for them.  Various inventors have discovered various ones of them.  The end result is the partial removal of the Lorentz condition that is normally restored by forcing the killing of the source dipole.  Now you can dramatically reduce the amount of "killing," and in fact have a net "restoring", while at the same time increasing the power in the load.  A Recommendation to the Department of Energy We urge the experienced electrical laboratory teams in the DOE to give this one a real try.  It's nearly all just ordinary theory, only with multiple currents having dramatically different response characteristics, all in the same circuit loop.  There is also a little servomechanism theory involved, as well as the "charge density squeeze" to provide a large overpotential.  You need microwave switching, and asymmetrical self-regauging thrown in.  It's quite straight forward, it can fairly readily be made to work by an experienced lab team, and it's not expensive.  But it does first require a dramatic change in the mindset of the experimenters and a completely different view of what you were taught as "conservation of energy. " If you cannot get past that orthodox practice of accounting only for the dissipated Poynting energy component, you will never understand it or do it.  You are also treating and using a battery as the highly nonlinear system it really is, not just as We again strongly warn the reader against casually experimenting with this, unless you are an experienced researcher, know what you are doing, and take proper precautions! This is for experienced lab people only.  Even then, they must use all the proper procedures and precautions.  You experiment with this at your own legally assumed risk.  Still, big financial empires don't give up their empires without a real fight — by fair means or foul.  And that fight includes the ruthless suppression of true negative resistors.  Such as the really excellent battery poppers.   Bedini's Battery-Popper Motor http://www.icehouse.net/john1/john.html John Bedini is one of the most creative inventors on this planet.  He is also a close friend and colleague.  It was my great privilege to be able to work with John for several years.  Though it was sad that he had such an inept pupil! John built several experimental motors (both electrical and magnetic) in the overunity area, and performed successful transmutation experiments.  John is a recognized genius in high-end sound amplifier development.  Many audiophiles worldwide still swear that the Bedini amplifier is the best and sweetest-sounding audio amplifier ever built.  Even the test engineers for leading audiophile magazines have said so.  One of John's battery-powered electrical motors, e.g., ran continuously off its battery for about five years, and kept the battery charged.  When you realize that such a small electric motor is only about 35% efficient, then you realize that about 65% of the energy flowing out of the battery was being dissipated in the motor as heat, core losses, etc.  So the unit was continuously performing work for that five years.  The 1/8 hp motor represented a load in which the continuous rate of work being done (the rate of energy dissipation) was about 0. 08 hp.  The little device was a battery-popper, and we have already covered the theory of such units in the treatise above.  We need not repeat it here.  John built a variety of other motors and generators, some of extremely novel design.  Several of these units did work at overunity performance.  John also was active in assisting other young inventors to get started.  I can assure you of one thing.  If I personally ever succeed in this area, then there are a few people who are going to be endowed.  John Bedini is right up there at the top of the list.  Nelson's Self-Regenerating "Back-Popped" Battery Power Unit WE CALL THE READER'S ATTENTION AGAIN TO THE PREVIOUS WARNING IN BOLD PRINT.  DO NOT EXPERIMENT WITH THIS UNLESS YOU ARE AN EXPERIENCED EXPERIMENTER, PROPER QUALIFIED, AND TAKE ALL SAFETY PRECAUTIONS.  YOU EXPERIMENT AT YOUR OWN ASSUMED RISK.  Microwave switching engineer Bill Nelson and a colleague became interested in Bedini's little motor.  So they met with John several times, discussed the theory of its operation at length, and even called me a time or two to see what thoughts I had....  Once they thoroughly understood the principles, they reasoned that the motor was just a load, and all the action was in the battery as controlled by the switcher.  Bedini confirmed that this was correct.  Being expert microwave switching engineers and not motor engineers, they just used an ordinary lamp for the load.  In the theory of such battery poppers below, we will see that microwave switching techniques are required.  However, that posed no problem for Nelson and colleague.  Before very long, they had a battery-popper working in the overunity, self-powering mode.  It would keep its battery charged and also power the lamp.  Nelson took his little demonstrator to his work (a large aerospace engineering firm) and showed it to his fellow engineers and scientists to test their reactions.  He stated that (1) a few were naïve and would believe anything anyway, (2) some would instantly become hostile and disturbed and promptly leave, (3) some would become agitated and immediately wish to argue, even in a tirade, and (4) a few would closely examine the unit, with real scientific curiosity and open-mindedness though skeptical....  At one time Nelson investigated putting a little kit on the market, but legally it was inadvisable.  Popped lead acid batteries produce hydrogen gas and can explode.  Someone very naïve would have hurt themselves, and entered a lawsuit.  So there the matter rested.  We corresponded sporadically for a few years, then that was that.  But Nelson and colleague had demonstrated both the necessary and sufficient things to prove the concept and mechanism: (1) independent replication and (2) independent qualified testing which showed overunity operation.  Watson's 8 kW Battery-Popper Motor WE CALL THE READER'S ATTENTION AGAIN TO THE PREVIOUS WARNING IN BOLD PRINT.  DO NOT EXPERIMENT WITH THIS UNLESS YOU ARE AN EXPERIENCED EXPERIMENTER, PROPER QUALIFIED, AND TAKE ALL SAFETY PRECAUTIONS.  YOU EXPERIMENT AT YOUR OWN ASSUMED RISK.  Jim Watson successfully replicated Bedini's device (with direct advice from Bedini).  Watson made improvements and modifications, and eventually was able to build one and adjust it as he wished.  He demonstrated an 8 kW device at the first International Tesla conference in Colorado Springs.  Later Watson was moving toward development and marketing.  Then Watson and his entire family disappeared.  Neither Bedini nor I could locate him.  Neither could his financial backer, the late R.  J.  Reynolds III.  This was a researcher and friend whom I was in contact with several times a week.  Then bingo!  Nothing further.  He abruptly and completely broke off all communication with everyone.  A squirrelly message was left on his answering machine for a few days, saying he had moved (but not in Jim's voice).  Then it too was removed.  And that was that.  Eerily, it seems that if you call the police in the town where Jim Watson lived, they will tell you he still lives there on the same street in the same house.  At least that's what they told a friend of mine who checked a few months ago, which is years after Jim and his family originally disappeared.  And that check may be the oddest thing of all.  The police implied on the phone that Jim and his family never disappeared.  Everything fine.  AOK.  And that's a bald-faced lie.  He and his family did disappear.  No one could find them, regardless of how they tried.  His financial backer couldn't even find him.  The clear implication is, stay away from that one.  Somebody "from the dark side" may have made Jim the "offer he could not refuse. " One may never know what really happened, whether or not Jim ever surfaces again — or has already surfaced again and is living there very, very quietly.  But Jim's entire overunity motor effort ended abruptly, even though highly successful.  And even though the motor was almost ready to be put into production.  Watson has not been seen at an energy conference since that sudden mysterious disappearance.  No one has had a phone call from him.  I have not found anyone I trust who has seen him again.  You have not seen a Watson overunity power system go to market.  You almost certainly never will.  Yet Jim's device was perfected to the point where he could make the things like pretzels, adjust them readily, and they worked every time.  They could have been put into mass production very easily.  Obviously that made him a grave threat to the Energy Cartels around the world.  At rare intervals, the Energy Cartel does suppress an invention and an inventor by making the inventor "an offer he cannot refuse," in Mafia terms.  Presently the going price when that offer is made, is $10 million.  You take your $10 million, quit all research, quit your contacts, and you live.  But you live very quietly, although you live very well financially.   The engineers who measured Jim's 8 kW machine there in Colorado Springs are still alive.  And they know what they measured.  There's one other little thing.  At that same International Tesla Conference in Colorado Springs, the folks who were in charge (for the energy barons) of suppressing all successful overunity devices in the Western world were also there when Jim demonstrated his 8 kW device.  There is a certain effect which happens in a battery sometimes for a large overunity battery popper unit like that, if the device is "for real."  Time-reversal operations and wave transductions can occur, resulting in time-excitation charging inside the battery materials, in a negative time charge sense (remember, the overunity operation is a negentropic operation).  After a machine of that type and with that particular internal effects has been used to furnish energy for quite a while, you can make a definitive test on it.  Simply hook it to a normal battery charger for that size battery, and start to charge it.  You then may find to your surprise that the power will just seem to "disappear" in that batte The reason is that wave transduction occurs of your charging spatial energy into time-energy, and so you have to furnish rather enormous energy to get a little bit of that negative-time charge reversed.  After you fill that seemingly "bottomless pit", then suddenly the negative time-charge will have been eliminated, and at that point the battery will start to charge up in quite normal fashion.  It is significant that Jim's battery was stolen right out of the machine.  Whoever did it, almost certainly knew how to test it to find out if Jim's generator was actually a true overunity device.  If so, then they tested it and found that indeed it was genuine.  And there was only one group there who would have known that little tidbit.  Dated: 1999 http://www.cheniere.org/misc/oulist.htm http://www.icehouse.net/john1/john.html http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/ http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/ http://members.aol.com/jnaudin509/ 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