Anyone have any ideas about what made these tracks, or how:

http://mypage.iu.edu/~gsimonel/Temp/Arth_track1.jpg

To me it looks like some kind of arthropod. I'm particularly curious
about the tracks on the sides and just below the middle track. Does it
look like the same organism made them all?

This rock is from the Mansfield formation of south central Indiana. It
is early Pennsylvanian. The area was a tidally influenced brackish or
fresh water marsh. I'm finding quite a variety of trace fossils there.
Enough so that I'm re-thinking my assumption that high diversity trace
fossils indicate marine environments.

Glenn Simonelli
Indiana University

Hi all,

If you haven't heard the news, Dr. Paul Selden of Manchester
University recently re-examined the giant fossil Megarachne, which was
previously thought to be the world's largest spider of all time.  The
fossil had been locked away in a vault for the past 20 years, but Dr.
Selden was given special access last year.  Dr. Selden is a leading
world expert on fossil chelicerates, including spiders, scorpions,
mites, etc.

Based on Dr. Selden's examination of the Megarachne, he thinks it was
actually a very strange sea scorpion.  For more information, you can
see this story on the BBC website at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/4268363.stm

I've also posted a photograph of Megarachne on the FossilBugz homepage.

Best Regards,
Cary R. Easterday
Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences
University of Illinois at Chicago
ceaste2@...

Hi all,

If you haven't heard about the "Tree of Life" website, I highly
recommend it for learning about the diversity of life:

http://tolweb.org/

If you want to go directly to the "Tree of Life" webpages about
arthropods, please click the link below:

http://tolweb.org/tree?group=arthropoda

What are YOUR favorite websites for arthropods?

Best Regards,

Cary R. Easterday
University of Illinois at Chicago
ceaste2@...

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
FossilBugz group:

What is your favorite arthropod of
all-time? The list (below) includes some
of the most famous ones.  If you have
other suggestions, please let us know.

   o Anomalocaris (Cambrian predator)
   o Arthropleura (Carboniferous giant millipede)
   o Brontoscorpio (Carboniferous giant scorpion)
   o Callinectes (Recent blue crab)
   o Danaeus (Recent monarch butterfly)
   o Elrathia (Cambrian trilobite)
   o Euthycarcinus (Triassic strange arthropod)
   o Godzillius (Recent crustacean)
   o Homarus (Recent American lobster)
   o Isotelus (Ordovician large trilobite)
   o Meganeura (Permo-Carboniferous giant dragonfly)
   o Megarachne (Carboniferous giant arachnid)
   o Mesolimulus (Jurassic horseshoe crab)
   o Opabinia (Cambrian weird arthropod)
   o Phacops (Devonian trilobite)
   o Podryas (Eocene-Oligocene butterfly)
   o Pterygotus (Silurian giant sea scorpion)
   o Raptophasma (Eocene gladiator insect)
   o Xenoblatta (Carboniferous giant cockroach)
   o Other


To vote, please visit the following web page:
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Thanks!

Hi all,

An excellent website for fossil insect reconstructions is found at:

http://zooex.baikal.ru/general/titul_en.htm

What are YOUR favorite websites for fossil insects or other arthropods?

Best Regards,

Cary R. Easterday
University of Illinois at Chicago
ceaste2@...

Hi all,

You may hear about fossil insects, spiders, and other bugz in the news
during these upcoming meetings in 2005:

February 7-11, in South Africa: 3rd International Congress of
Palaeoentomology, 2nd International Meeting on Palaeoarthropodology,
and 2nd World Congress on Amber and its Inclusions.  For more
information, see http://www.palaeoentomolog.ru/announcement.html

March 14-16, in Utah (USA): The Triassic/Jurassic Terrestrial Transition.

Best Regards,

Cary R. Easterday

Dear FossilBugz members,

Fossilbugz is intended for educational purposes only.  FossilBugz is
not a commercial website.  Solicitation and selling of fossils is
prohibited.  Members who violate this rule may be warned and/or
removed from the group.  Thank you for respecting this rule.  Again,
we welcome the full and open exchange of messages, photos, etc. for
educational purposes.

If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact me
anytime.

Best Regards,

Cary R. Easterday
Moderator, FossilBugz

ceastk@...

Cary,
      Thank you for the references. I just checked and the geology
library has both of them on the shelves, so I'm on my way over to pick
them up.

Glenn


--- In FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com, "Cary" <ceastk@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi Glenn,
>
> Those are excellent references to start your research on tetrapod
> trace fossils.  I also recommend that you expand your search to the
> Permian as well.  The terrestrial transition from Late Carboniferous
> to Early Permian floras and faunas is gradual.  The major biotic
> change occurs within the Late Carboniferous, at the Moscovian-
> Kasimovian (Desmoinesian-Missourian) transition.
>
> The following two references may also help in your research:
>
> Mapes, G., and R. H. Mapes (eds.). 1988. Regional Geology and
> Paleontology of Upper Paleozoic Hamilton Quarry Area in Southeastern
> Kansas.  Kansas Geological Survey Guidebook Series, 6.
>
> Zidek, J. (ed.). 1992.  Geology and paleontology of the Kinney Brick
> Quarry, Late Pennsylvanian, central New Mexico.  New Mexico Bureau
> of Mines and Mineral Resources Bulletin, 138.
>
> More later!
>
> Best Regards,
> Cary R. Easterday
> PhD Student, Paleobiology of Terrestrial Ecosystems, Fossil Insects
> University of Illinois at Chicago
> Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences
> xenoblatta@h...
>
> --- In FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Simonelli" <gsimonel@i...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Cary,
> >      I forgot to address you offer for reference suggestions. Right
> > now I'm reading articles by Archer and Maples, Buatois and Mangano,
> > and Lucas, et al. I also have a copy of the volume of Hantzschel's
> > Treatise that deals with trace fossils. I'd certainly welcome other
> > suggestions.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Glenn
> >
> > --- In FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com, "Cary" <ceastk@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Glenn,
> > >
> > > Welcome to FossilBugz!  Most people are still celebrating the
> > > holidays now, but participation should pick up soon in the new
> year.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the information on your research interests.  I
> encourage
> > > all FossilBugz members to do this!
> > >
> > > I have worked with Late Carboniferous body and trace fossils, so
> I
> > > am familiar with much literature for that time interval.
> > > Unfortunately, ALL of my resources are currently unavailable.  I
> am
> > > in the middle of a move from Seattle to Chicago.  Once I am
> settled
> > > again, I could participate in any discussions more fully.
> > >
> > > Also, what is your status at Indiana University--undergraduate,
> > > graduate, faculty, staff?  I checked out your webpage and
> noticed
> > > that you had many unpublished works.  Very good.  Do you plan on
> > > publishing or presenting your research anytime?  If so, then I
> would
> > > be glad to show you additional resources for that purpose!
> > >
> > > Happy Holidays!
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Cary R. Easterday
> > > xenoblatta@h...

Hi Glenn,

Those are excellent references to start your research on tetrapod
trace fossils.  I also recommend that you expand your search to the
Permian as well.  The terrestrial transition from Late Carboniferous
to Early Permian floras and faunas is gradual.  The major biotic
change occurs within the Late Carboniferous, at the Moscovian-
Kasimovian (Desmoinesian-Missourian) transition.

The following two references may also help in your research:

Mapes, G., and R. H. Mapes (eds.). 1988. Regional Geology and
Paleontology of Upper Paleozoic Hamilton Quarry Area in Southeastern
Kansas.  Kansas Geological Survey Guidebook Series, 6.

Zidek, J. (ed.). 1992.  Geology and paleontology of the Kinney Brick
Quarry, Late Pennsylvanian, central New Mexico.  New Mexico Bureau
of Mines and Mineral Resources Bulletin, 138.

More later!

Best Regards,
Cary R. Easterday
PhD Student, Paleobiology of Terrestrial Ecosystems, Fossil Insects
University of Illinois at Chicago
Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences
xenoblatta@...

--- In FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Simonelli" <gsimonel@i...>
wrote:
>
> Cary,
>      I forgot to address you offer for reference suggestions. Right
> now I'm reading articles by Archer and Maples, Buatois and Mangano,
> and Lucas, et al. I also have a copy of the volume of Hantzschel's
> Treatise that deals with trace fossils. I'd certainly welcome other
> suggestions.
>
> Regards,
> Glenn
>
> --- In FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com, "Cary" <ceastk@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Glenn,
> >
> > Welcome to FossilBugz!  Most people are still celebrating the
> > holidays now, but participation should pick up soon in the new
year.
> >
> > Thanks for the information on your research interests.  I
encourage
> > all FossilBugz members to do this!
> >
> > I have worked with Late Carboniferous body and trace fossils, so
I
> > am familiar with much literature for that time interval.
> > Unfortunately, ALL of my resources are currently unavailable.  I
am
> > in the middle of a move from Seattle to Chicago.  Once I am
settled
> > again, I could participate in any discussions more fully.
> >
> > Also, what is your status at Indiana University--undergraduate,
> > graduate, faculty, staff?  I checked out your webpage and
noticed
> > that you had many unpublished works.  Very good.  Do you plan on
> > publishing or presenting your research anytime?  If so, then I
would
> > be glad to show you additional resources for that purpose!
> >
> > Happy Holidays!
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Cary R. Easterday
> > xenoblatta@h...

Cary,
      I forgot to address you offer for reference suggestions. Right
now I'm reading articles by Archer and Maples, Buatois and Mangano,
and Lucas, et al. I also have a copy of the volume of Hantzschel's
Treatise that deals with trace fossils. I'd certainly welcome other
suggestions.

Regards,
Glenn

--- In FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com, "Cary" <ceastk@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi Glenn,
>
> Welcome to FossilBugz!  Most people are still celebrating the
> holidays now, but participation should pick up soon in the new year.
>
> Thanks for the information on your research interests.  I encourage
> all FossilBugz members to do this!
>
> I have worked with Late Carboniferous body and trace fossils, so I
> am familiar with much literature for that time interval.
> Unfortunately, ALL of my resources are currently unavailable.  I am
> in the middle of a move from Seattle to Chicago.  Once I am settled
> again, I could participate in any discussions more fully.
>
> Also, what is your status at Indiana University--undergraduate,
> graduate, faculty, staff?  I checked out your webpage and noticed
> that you had many unpublished works.  Very good.  Do you plan on
> publishing or presenting your research anytime?  If so, then I would
> be glad to show you additional resources for that purpose!
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> Best Regards,
> Cary R. Easterday
> xenoblatta@h...

Hi Cary,
      I am a graduate student. I am currently researching some tetrapod
tracks found in early Pennsylvanian era siltstones in southern
Indiana. The rocks were probably formed near but not at the shoreline.
The area looks like it was fluvial-esturine, but judging by the trace
fossils I'm guessing it was fresh or brakcish water, so it may have
been an area between the salinity boundary and the tidal boundary.
      At one time I thought about publishing the article about the
end-Permian extinction, but never pursued it because it was so
speculative. The research I'm doing now will be more disciplined, and
I do hope to publish it, but I'm just starting. It will probably be a
year or so before it is ready for publication.

Regards,
Glenn


Glenn Simonelli
http://mypage.iu.edu/~gsimonel
http://astro.indiana.edu/~gsimonel

--- In FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com, "Cary" <ceastk@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi Glenn,
>
> Welcome to FossilBugz!  Most people are still celebrating the
> holidays now, but participation should pick up soon in the new year.
>
> Thanks for the information on your research interests.  I encourage
> all FossilBugz members to do this!
>
> I have worked with Late Carboniferous body and trace fossils, so I
> am familiar with much literature for that time interval.
> Unfortunately, ALL of my resources are currently unavailable.  I am
> in the middle of a move from Seattle to Chicago.  Once I am settled
> again, I could participate in any discussions more fully.
>
> Also, what is your status at Indiana University--undergraduate,
> graduate, faculty, staff?  I checked out your webpage and noticed
> that you had many unpublished works.  Very good.  Do you plan on
> publishing or presenting your research anytime?  If so, then I would
> be glad to show you additional resources for that purpose!
>
> Happy Holidays!
>
> Best Regards,
> Cary R. Easterday
> xenoblatta@h...

Hi Glenn,

Welcome to FossilBugz!  Most people are still celebrating the
holidays now, but participation should pick up soon in the new year.

Thanks for the information on your research interests.  I encourage
all FossilBugz members to do this!

I have worked with Late Carboniferous body and trace fossils, so I
am familiar with much literature for that time interval.
Unfortunately, ALL of my resources are currently unavailable.  I am
in the middle of a move from Seattle to Chicago.  Once I am settled
again, I could participate in any discussions more fully.

Also, what is your status at Indiana University--undergraduate,
graduate, faculty, staff?  I checked out your webpage and noticed
that you had many unpublished works.  Very good.  Do you plan on
publishing or presenting your research anytime?  If so, then I would
be glad to show you additional resources for that purpose!

Happy Holidays!

Best Regards,
Cary R. Easterday
xenoblatta@...

--- In FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Simonelli" <gsimonel@i...>
wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>      I just joined this group. I am conducting research on some
early
> Pennsylvanian (late Carboniferous) trace fossils. I would like to
hear
> from anyone else with an interest/expertise in trace fossils. I
would
> also like to hear about any resourses available for identifying
> different trace fossils. I look forward to hearing the discussions
in
> this group.
>
> Glenn Simonelli
> http://mypage.iu.edu/~gsimonel
> http://astro.indiana.edu/~gsimonel

Hi all,
      I just joined this group. I am conducting research on some early
Pennsylvanian (late Carboniferous) trace fossils. I would like to hear
from anyone else with an interest/expertise in trace fossils. I would
also like to hear about any resourses available for identifying
different trace fossils. I look forward to hearing the discussions in
this group.

Glenn Simonelli
http://mypage.iu.edu/~gsimonel
http://astro.indiana.edu/~gsimonel

Hi Tim,

Thanks for your encouraging email (below).  The move is going well so far.  We
(me, wife, 3 cats) successfully traveled across country.  Currently, my wife is
staying with family in Pittsburgh, my cats are staying with family in Maryland,
and I am apartment shopping in Chicago.  Hopefully, we will all have a new
address soon!

I know what you mean about persistence and the top 2% photos.  I think that is
the best way (the only way?) to get good photographs.  Ever since I bought my
digital camera (Fuji S602Zoom), it has been SO much easier (and more affordable)
to take those 100s...if not 1000s...of photographs necessary to get the most
information!  A good photograph is worth at least 1000 words of
description...or, at least, it makes those 1000 words of description easier to
write!

I think your 'LCD projector' idea for critical focus is quite clever.  You
should mention that in a research paper sometime!  If I gain any new photography
"tips," I'll let you know too.

Best Regards,
Cary R. Easterday
xenoblatta@...

Tim Fahy <tim@...> wrote:
Hi Cary



Good luck with the move.



It's persistence more than skill that drives my results. You got the top 2%
and I assure you that five pictures were binned for each one I kept.



Equipment is basic; an old B&L Stereozoom 5 connected by eyepiece to a Nikon
990 using the threaded lens and a universal adapter. The camera is fired
through a wired remote. For critical focus, I project a large image from the
camera AV out using an LCD projector.



Cheers



Tim



-----Original Message-----
From: Cary [mailto:ceastk@...]
Sent: 28 November 2004 22:02
To: FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FossilBugz] Re: Bugz in amber - pictures




Hi Tim,

Wow!  NICE photographs!  I know amber inclusion photography is not
easy.  I would be interested to know what sort of equipment and
setup you used...when you have a chance.  You have an eye for this.

I'll be traveling for most of December, so I won't be as active with
FossilBugz until early January.  Until then...

Happy Holidays and Best Regards,
Cary R. Easterday
xenoblatta@...

--- In FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Fahy" <tim@f...> wrote:
> Hi
>
>
>
> I have added some photos to the group repository. Here is a link:
>
> http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fossilbugz/lst?
> <http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fossilbugz/lst?
&.dir=/In+Amber&.src=gr
> &.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%
3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fo
> ssilbugz/lst%3f%26.dir=/In%2bAmber%26.src=gr%26.view=t>
> &.dir=/In+Amber&.src=gr&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%
3a//photos.gr
> oups.yahoo.com/group/fossilbugz/lst%3f%26.dir=/In%2bAmber%
26.src=gr%26.view=
> t
>
>
>
> All pictures are of insects and arachnids in Baltic amber. There
are a good
> selection of orders from both classes. I will sort them
taxonomically once
> you have had a chance to see them as a group.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]








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Hi Cary



Good luck with the move.



It's persistence more than skill that drives my results. You got the top 2%
and I assure you that five pictures were binned for each one I kept.



Equipment is basic; an old B&L Stereozoom 5 connected by eyepiece to a Nikon
990 using the threaded lens and a universal adapter. The camera is fired
through a wired remote. For critical focus, I project a large image from the
camera AV out using an LCD projector.



Cheers



Tim



-----Original Message-----
From: Cary [mailto:ceastk@...]
Sent: 28 November 2004 22:02
To: FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FossilBugz] Re: Bugz in amber - pictures




Hi Tim,

Wow!  NICE photographs!  I know amber inclusion photography is not
easy.  I would be interested to know what sort of equipment and
setup you used...when you have a chance.  You have an eye for this.

I'll be traveling for most of December, so I won't be as active with
FossilBugz until early January.  Until then...

Happy Holidays and Best Regards,
Cary R. Easterday
xenoblatta@...

--- In FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Fahy" <tim@f...> wrote:
> Hi
>
>
>
> I have added some photos to the group repository. Here is a link:
>
> http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fossilbugz/lst?
> <http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fossilbugz/lst?
&.dir=/In+Amber&.src=gr
> &.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%
3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fo
> ssilbugz/lst%3f%26.dir=/In%2bAmber%26.src=gr%26.view=t>
> &.dir=/In+Amber&.src=gr&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%
3a//photos.gr
> oups.yahoo.com/group/fossilbugz/lst%3f%26.dir=/In%2bAmber%
26.src=gr%26.view=
> t
>
>
>
> All pictures are of insects and arachnids in Baltic amber. There
are a good
> selection of orders from both classes. I will sort them
taxonomically once
> you have had a chance to see them as a group.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]








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Hi Tim,

Wow!  NICE photographs!  I know amber inclusion photography is not
easy.  I would be interested to know what sort of equipment and
setup you used...when you have a chance.  You have an eye for this.

I'll be traveling for most of December, so I won't be as active with
FossilBugz until early January.  Until then...

Happy Holidays and Best Regards,
Cary R. Easterday
xenoblatta@...

--- In FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Fahy" <tim@f...> wrote:
> Hi
>
>
>
> I have added some photos to the group repository. Here is a link:
>
> http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fossilbugz/lst?
> <http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fossilbugz/lst?
&.dir=/In+Amber&.src=gr
> &.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%
3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fo
> ssilbugz/lst%3f%26.dir=/In%2bAmber%26.src=gr%26.view=t>
> &.dir=/In+Amber&.src=gr&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%
3a//photos.gr
> oups.yahoo.com/group/fossilbugz/lst%3f%26.dir=/In%2bAmber%
26.src=gr%26.view=
> t
>
>
>
> All pictures are of insects and arachnids in Baltic amber. There
are a good
> selection of orders from both classes. I will sort them
taxonomically once
> you have had a chance to see them as a group.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi



I have added some photos to the group repository. Here is a link:

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fossilbugz/lst?
<http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fossilbugz/lst?&.dir=/In+Amber&.src=gr
&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fo
ssilbugz/lst%3f%26.dir=/In%2bAmber%26.src=gr%26.view=t>
&.dir=/In+Amber&.src=gr&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.gr
oups.yahoo.com/group/fossilbugz/lst%3f%26.dir=/In%2bAmber%26.src=gr%26.view=
t



All pictures are of insects and arachnids in Baltic amber. There are a good
selection of orders from both classes. I will sort them taxonomically once
you have had a chance to see them as a group.



Cheers



Tim





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Hi Michael,

Thanks for posting your photos!  VERY COOL!!  I made one of your
photos the main image on the FossilBugz homepage this month! With
your photos, I can begin advertising FossilBugz to a wider
audience...in order to generate more help with fossil
identifications and request more photos!  As your photos are
identified, I would eventually like to move them to folders in the
larger Photo gallery archive.  For example, the Commentry Caloneura
would be filed under

Arthropoda > Hexapoda > Insecta > Caloneurodea EXTINCT

Some of your Commentry Blattoid photos would be filed under

Arthropoda > Hexapoda > Insecta > Blattodea (Cockroaches)

Is this ok with you?  I wouldn't move them for at least three weeks
though.

FYI, if you go to the abovementioned Caloneurodea and Blattodea
folders now, you will see artists living reconstructions of these
fossil insects!

If you have any other information on the amber specimens or
Commentry specimens, please let us know.  For example, do you have
museum information or specimen numbers for the Commentry material
you photographed? It may help in ID.

If you have questions or comments, please contact me anytime.

Many Thanks and Best Regards,

Cary R. Easterday
xenoblatta@...

--- In FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com, "dmichaelschmidt1967"
<dmichaelschmidt@s...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I just uploaded some Carboniferous insect photos into the photos
> section of the website.  There is one under Fossil Insects
> Unidentified, and several others in the Identified folder.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> All are from Commentry, in France

Hi

I just uploaded some Carboniferous insect photos into the photos
section of the website.  There is one under Fossil Insects
Unidentified, and several others in the Identified folder.

Enjoy!

All are from Commentry, in France

Hello

I have added several files to the photo section of the group...all pleistocene
insects in resin from Madagascar.  There are two fossil insects folders....one
is Fossil Insects I'D's needed, the other Fossil Insects Identified.  These are
in the I'D's need folder.

Id's would be much appreciated!

Thanks

Michael
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Cary
   To: FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 11:52 PM
   Subject: [FossilBugz] Re: Pleistocene Insects



   Hi Michael,

   Thanks for offerring to post pictures!  I made you a moderator, so
   you should be able to post/upload your pictures anytime.  Goto
   Photos and find the appopriate folder.  If you are trying to ID
   bugs, you may want to create an ID folder too.  Very cool!

   If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact
   anytime.  Thanks again!

   Best Regards,
   Cary R. Easterday
   xenoblatta@...

   --- In FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com, "dmichaelschmidt1967"
   <dmichaelschmidt@s...> wrote:
   >
   > Hi
   >
   > I have some very wonderful pics of some really cool bugs in copal
   > from Madagascar (about 1.5 million  to 2 million  years old.  Am I
   > able to post the pics on the site?  I would really like to be able
   to
   > identify these bugs (to a certian point. most of them are probably
   > undescribed)
   >
   > Thanks
   >
   > Michael




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Hi Michael,

Thanks for offerring to post pictures!  I made you a moderator, so
you should be able to post/upload your pictures anytime.  Goto
Photos and find the appopriate folder.  If you are trying to ID
bugs, you may want to create an ID folder too.  Very cool!

If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact
anytime.  Thanks again!

Best Regards,
Cary R. Easterday
xenoblatta@...

--- In FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com, "dmichaelschmidt1967"
<dmichaelschmidt@s...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I have some very wonderful pics of some really cool bugs in copal
> from Madagascar (about 1.5 million  to 2 million  years old.  Am I
> able to post the pics on the site?  I would really like to be able
to
> identify these bugs (to a certian point. most of them are probably
> undescribed)
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael

Hi

I have some very wonderful pics of some really cool bugs in copal
from Madagascar (about 1.5 million  to 2 million  years old.  Am I
able to post the pics on the site?  I would really like to be able to
identify these bugs (to a certian point. most of them are probably
undescribed)

Thanks

Michael

Hi Dr. Durden,

Thanks for the insight into Blattinopsid insect phylogeny!  I wasn't
aware that they might be polyphyletic, but I'm not too suprised. As
we know, many Paleozoic insects are just difficult to classify and
are frequently lumped together into artificial groups
(i.e., 'Protorthoptera' and 'Paratrichoptera').

Also, thanks for helping with the moderator duties.  I shall continue
to take a lead role with FossilBugz and Paleogeoarthropoda for the
forseeable future, but I think it wise to have help overseeing the
websites and providing web content--especially over the next 1.5
months when the holidays and my move from Seattle to Chicago will
limit my access to computers.

Although I built both websites, they belong to our research
community, not me.  If they evolve into bigger and better web
resources led by others, that is fine with me.  Historically, fossil
insect, chelicerate, and myriapod researchers have tended to work in
isolation from each other and from other research communities.  These
web resources are intended to show that we all have more in common
than different and to encourage collaboration with other research
communities (i.e., neontologists, biomechanics, ichnologists, etc.).

You may think it ironic, but I am also uncomfortable using "bug" to
refer to anything outside of Hemiptera.  However, this term is a
matter of common usage beyond scientific rules, and we both agree
that its common definition extends well beyond the Order of insects
(e.g., bacteria, microfossils, common cold, malfunction, etc.).  For
the public website (i.e., FossilBugz), I needed a term to refer to
all arthropods that could catch the public attention and the public
could easily understand.  Since "bug" is a common usage term
referring to ANY creepy crawly creature, (including Hemipterans,
other insects, worms, spiders, terrestrial isopods, snails, etc.), I
made a decision to use "bugs" but intentionally change the spelling
to "Bugz."  Yes, I admit this was a marketing decision, but I think
it was a sound one, and the new spelling is intended to
differentiate "Bugz" (arthropods) from "bugs" (Hemipterans).  If it
catches on, great!  If not, oh well!  Regardless, I think FossilBugz
can be a useful tool for educating the public and teachers about our
research community.

Again, many thanks for your contributions to FossilBugz and
paleogeoarthropoda!  They are most welcome!

Best Regards,
Cary R. Easterday
xenoblatta@...


--- In FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com, drdn@m... wrote:
> This is probably correct for some of the genera based on Permian
material from
> Russia. I do not think *Blattinopsis* and several other genera from
Europe and
> North America belong here though. The resemblance of the wing
structure is
> probably convergent.
> I have been working with the cluster of material around
*Blattinopsis* and
> *Glaphyrophlebia*, comparing the wing morphology with
Archimylacridae and
> Spiloblattinidae. Some of these appear to have had a moderately
well developed
> external ovipositor. I have not worked with the later Permian
material assigned
> to Blattinopsidae so cannot comment on their ordinal affinities. I
think
> *Blattinopsis* is be default a Blattoid (whatever that is) unless
we can point
> to differentiating characters of ordinal significance.
> >
>  I don't mind contributing as "a" moderator but I do not want to
be "the"
> moderator. I hope you will ride herd on your creation. I shall try
to post
> informative or interesting pictures from time to time but will
check with you
> first before taking any drastic action. I do not favor the use of
the term
> "bugs" (even as "bugz") for anything other than the members of the
orders
> Hemiptera and Homoptera or their immediate ancestors. The perfectly
legitimate
> use of the words for bacteria, foraminiferans, malfunctions etc.
only adds
> confusion. My position on this is stated in Durden, Zappler & Ivy,
1999 -
> "Learn about Texas Insects" (ISBN-1-885696-27-2).
> -----------------------Chris Durden

Quoting FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com:


> Message: 1
>    Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 05:04:49 -0000
>    From: "Cary" <ceastk@...>
> Subject: Re: Blattinopsid insects
>
>
> Hi Dr. Durden,
>
> I don't know much about Blattinopsids, but I noticed that Conrad
> Labandeira (1994) classified the family within the Order
> Hypoperlida.
---------------------------------------------
This is probably correct for some of the genera based on Permian material from
Russia. I do not think *Blattinopsis* and several other genera from Europe and
North America belong here though. The resemblance of the wing structure is
probably convergent.
-----------------------------------------------c
  What are your recent thoughts on this matter?  How
> many different orders have they been placed historically?  Which
> order do you place them now?
-------------------------------------------------
I have been working with the cluster of material around *Blattinopsis* and
*Glaphyrophlebia*, comparing the wing morphology with Archimylacridae and
Spiloblattinidae. Some of these appear to have had a moderately well developed
external ovipositor. I have not worked with the later Permian material assigned
to Blattinopsidae so cannot comment on their ordinal affinities. I think
*Blattinopsis* is be default a Blattoid (whatever that is) unless we can point
to differentiating characters of ordinal significance.
----------------------------------------------------c
>
> FYI, since I expanded the scope of FossilBugz to include all
> arthropods, I changed the original FossilBugz Poll question that you
> answered earlier.  (I selected the most famous arthropod genera for
> the Poll question...plus I added a few of my own favorites!)
>
> Also, MANY THANKS for your contributions to paleogeoarthropoda and
> FossilBugz over the past months!  I hope you don't mind that I made
> you a moderator for FossilBugz today.  As moderator, you may add
> links, photos, etc. to the egroup.  You also may remove
> inappropriate messages (e.g., Viagra, sex talk, Creationism, etc.)
> and ban the offender(s).  If you don't want to be a moderator,
> that's ok too...just let me know and I'll remove your moderator
> status.
-----------------------------------------
  I don't mind contributing as "a" moderator but I do not want to be "the"
moderator. I hope you will ride herd on your creation. I shall try to post
informative or interesting pictures from time to time but will check with you
first before taking any drastic action. I do not favor the use of the term
"bugs" (even as "bugz") for anything other than the members of the orders
Hemiptera and Homoptera or their immediate ancestors. The perfectly legitimate
use of the words for bacteria, foraminiferans, malfunctions etc. only adds
confusion. My position on this is stated in Durden, Zappler & Ivy, 1999 -
"Learn about Texas Insects" (ISBN-1-885696-27-2).
-----------------------Chris Durden
>
> If you have any questions, please let me know anytime.
>
> Best Regards,
> Cary R. Easterday
> xenoblatta@...
>
> Reference:
> Labandeira, C. C.  1994.  A Compendium of Fossil Insect Families.
> Milwaukee Public Museum Contributions in Biology and Geology, Number
> 88.  71 pp.
>

Hi Dr. Durden,

I don't know much about Blattinopsids, but I noticed that Conrad
Labandeira (1994) classified the family within the Order
Hypoperlida.  What are your recent thoughts on this matter?  How
many different orders have they been placed historically?  Which
order do you place them now?

FYI, since I expanded the scope of FossilBugz to include all
arthropods, I changed the original FossilBugz Poll question that you
answered earlier.  (I selected the most famous arthropod genera for
the Poll question...plus I added a few of my own favorites!)

Also, MANY THANKS for your contributions to paleogeoarthropoda and
FossilBugz over the past months!  I hope you don't mind that I made
you a moderator for FossilBugz today.  As moderator, you may add
links, photos, etc. to the egroup.  You also may remove
inappropriate messages (e.g., Viagra, sex talk, Creationism, etc.)
and ban the offender(s).  If you don't want to be a moderator,
that's ok too...just let me know and I'll remove your moderator
status.

If you have any questions, please let me know anytime.

Best Regards,
Cary R. Easterday
xenoblatta@...

Reference:
Labandeira, C. C.  1994.  A Compendium of Fossil Insect Families.
Milwaukee Public Museum Contributions in Biology and Geology, Number
88.  71 pp.

--- In FossilBugz@yahoogroups.com, drdn@m... wrote:
>
> Other?
>
>    My favorite continental arthropods are Blattinopsids. I have
found several
> myself. The wings tend to survive preservation fairly well. They
have a
> respectable stratigraphic range and need work. What order do you
think they
> belong to?
> .............Chris Durden

Hi all,

This is a brief update of progress on the new FossilBugz egroup.
Since the egroup was started 2 weeks ago, the following changes have
been made:

* More than 200 new links.
* More than 50 new photos.
* Scope of FossilBugz egroup expanded to include all Arthropods;
however, the emphasis of FossilBugz will remain non-marine taxa.

Fossilbugz needs more photos of fossil arthropods.  If you have
photos to share, please let me know.  I can set you up to upload the
photos directly to FossilBugz or you may send them directly to me
for posting.  I only post small GIFs or JPEGs less than 250kb.

Also, does anyone recommend what to post on the FossilBugz
Calender?  Maybe I could post some professional meetings, eh?

The rest of November and December are pretty busy months for me, so
my work on the site will slow down.  I plan to start advertising
FossilBugz to the public in January 2005.  If people are interested
in helping to build or to moderate the FossilBugz egroup, please
contact Cary (information below).  Also, if people have general
questions, comments, or suggestions about FossilBugz, please contact
Cary anytime.

Best Regards,
Cary R. Easterday
xenoblatta@...

Dear colleagues,

I am trying to keep the FossilBugz egroup as simple and
straightforward as possible.  After some thought, I decided that I
do not want to confuse laymen about the differences between
geoarthropod taxa and marine arthropod taxa. Therefore, I have
expanded the scope of the FossilBugz egroup to include all
arthropods.  Geoarthropods are still the main focus of FossilBugz,
but I will add sections on Trilobites, Problematica, and all
Crustaceans too.

FYI, the scope of Paleogeoarthropoda has NOT changed.  It is
intended for geoarthropod researchers only.

If anyone has questions, comments, or suggestions, please feel free
to contact me anytime.

Best Regards,
Cary R. Easterday
xenoblatta@...

Other?

    My favorite continental arthropods are Blattinopsids. I have found several
myself. The wings tend to survive preservation fairly well. They have a
respectable stratigraphic range and need work. What order do you think they
belong to?
.............Chris Durden

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
FossilBugz group:

Which FossilBugz do you like best?
(please choose one; if "Other," please
send a message with your choice)

   o Arthropleura (giant fossil millipede)
   o beetles
   o butterflies
   o centipedes
   o dragonflies
   o eurypterids (fossil sea scorpions)
   o horseshoe crabs
   o Megarachne (giant fossil spider-like creature)
   o Meganeura (giant fossil dragonfly)
   o millipedes
   o Pterygotus (giant fossil sea scorpion)
   o scorpions
   o spiders
   o Xenoblatta (giant fossil cockroach)
   o Other


To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FossilBugz/surveys?id=1471743

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!

Dear colleagues,

I am looking for volunteers to help setup and monitor the FossilBugz
egroup.  Setup includes adding Links, Photos, Polls, and other
features in order to educate the public on geoarthropods.  I need
monitors to help answer questions and to minimize Viagra
advertisements, sex talk, creationist propaganda, and other
inappropriate content.

If you are interested, please let me know and I can make you a
FossilBugz Moderator.  Members of Paleogeoarthropoda are encouraged
to moderate, based on our expertise.

If anyone has any questions, comments, or suggestions, please feel
free to contact me anytime.

Many Thanks and Best Regards,
Cary R. Easterday
xenoblatta@...