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This is an update and discussion list on the topic of Free Energy claims. Warning, it has a dynamic mix of acerbic skeptics and determined believers. It covers topics like: over unity, Tesla engines, Dennis Lee, Newman, Tilley, Pantone, zero point energy, mono poles, conspiracy theory, perpetual motion and even 100 mpg carburetors. List founder is eric@phact.org
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"Free Energy" on this list implies a fuelless (unless you can use water) source of energy that would appear to violate known laws of physics.

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Re: 17 times overunity It still applies if you want to measure them. They said power was supplied to the resistor by a 24 volt 4 AH battery 24 volts x 4 = 96 Volt Amp hours. to find Posted - Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:05 pm	Kirk McLoren kirkmcloren Online Now Send Email
Re: 17 times overunity Kirk: Look again, and question it when it looks wrong. * 345600 Joules is quite a bit more then 67.6 kilojoules. * Are these batteries led-acid? These have Posted - Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:52 pm	Charles Ford charlieford1 Offline Send Email
Re: 17 times overunity Kirk: I know that. When a power source is sustainable, time "seconds" no longer apply. see below "sustainable input and output power" the unit of measure is a Posted - Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:10 pm	Charles Ford charlieford1 Offline Send Email
Re: 17 times overunity a joule is a watt second Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,and they wander off through equation after equation, and Posted - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:41 pm	Kirk McLoren kirkmcloren Online Now Send Email
Re: 17 times overunity There are always claims... Lets see the measurements. BTW this is 18X not 17 Also... This is an electrical device, we need sustainable input and output power Posted - Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:11 pm	Charles Ford charlieford1 Offline Send Email
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