Folks,
We now have another world class dark sky star party and astronomy
equipment expo in California.
We need YOUR help to spread the word about the Julian Starfest (SAN
DIEGO COUNTY) from August 20-23, 2009.
Located high in the Cuyamaca Mountains above San Diego, at a mountain
winery near an historic gold rush town. Just one hour east of the San
Diego Wild Animal Park - Take I-15 or I-5 from the North and exit at
Hwy 78 east.
Please forward this message to all of your friends in California,
Arizona, Nevada, Utah and beyond who like science, astronomy,
camping, hiking and mountains. And please help us spread the word
using our flyers and posters...
PDF Starfest Flyer -- (11x8.5) -- http://tinyurl.com/luauzt
PDF Starfest Poster -- (17x11) -- http://tinyurl.com/levvho
If you can, please print out some of the PDF flyers above and post
them in appropriate places.
Starfest details here -- http://www.JulianStarfest.com
Register now! -- http://tinyurl.com/JSF2009
2009 Activities schedule -- http://tinyurl.com/lcrok2
Julian Map and Starfest location -- http://tinyurl.com/mf3znp
Email -- Julianstars@...
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We need YOUR help to spread the word about the Julian Starfest (SAN
DIEGO) on the weekend of August 22-23, 2009.
Located high in the Cuyamaca Mountains above San Diego, at a mountain
winery near an historic gold rush town. Just one hour west of the San
Diego Wild Animal Park on Hwy 78. Close to beautiful beaches, Sea
World and Legoland too -- bring the family.
Please forward this message to all of your friends in California,
Arizona, Nevada, Utah and beyond who like science, astronomy, camping,
hiking and mountains. And please help us spread the word using our
flyers and posters...
If you can think of public locations to post our color posters
(stores, shops, schools, bulletin boards), please let us know and we will
send you some (based on availability). Or print out the PDF flyers above
and distribute them to appropriate places.
Dear RTMC Astronomy Expo Board:
I have been attending RTMC for 30 years and very much enjoy the
opportunity to see old friends, make new ones, and share our common
interest in astronomy. I was disheartened to hear about the format
change for future RTMC Astronomy Expo events. I believe that the format
change will be detrimental to the future of the event.
Many of my friends who I see each year at RTMC said they will not be
able to come next year if the event does not fall on Memorial Day
weekend. They have family and work commitments which make it difficult
to to attend on anything other than a 3 day holiday weekend. Some of the
vendors with whom I spoke also will not be able to attend because of
schedule conflicts. Please don't underestimate the value of holding the
RTMC Astronomy Expo on a set holiday weekend. This allows much easier
planning. Myself and others in my group always hold Memorial Day weekend
open to attend.
While holding the RTMC Astronomy Expo to coincide with a new moon may be
of interest to deep sky observers it is a the cost of everyone wishing
to attend on Memorial Day weekend. There has been concern about getting
new people into the hobby of amateur astronomy. Encouraging families to
attend events like RTMC is a good way expose children to the hobby. The
parents of families with whom I spoke said that they will not be able to
attend unless the event is held on a three day weekend. They are
unwilling to take their children out of school near the end of the
school year.
RTMC is a unique astronomy event in that it is held the same weekend
every year. If I want to attend a 5 day star party Big Bear would not be
my first choice due to the infamously turbulent atmosphere. Every new
moon presents deep sky observers with the opportunity to attend
impromptu star parties at such venues as Mt. Pinos, Bristlecone Pine
Forest, and many sites throughout the deserts of California, not to
mention the annual Nightfall star party. If I want to take the time to
attend a 5 day star party I would likely choose a venue such as the
Oregon Star Party rather than attend RTMC in Big Bear.
Please recognize that holding RTMC on Memorial Day weekend allows people
who have a variety of interests including astronomy to get together on a
major holiday weekend in a controlled peaceful environment to share in
their common interest in astronomy and explore other common interests.
This year there were a number of people in my area of the camp who
brought guitars and held an impromptu jam session on Sunday afternoon.
Sure the moon may not always be in a favorable phase for deep sky
observing but those years would be a good opportunity to explore other
common shared interests of the people brought together on the weekend
through their love of amateur astronomy.
The full reasoning behind the format change is difficult to comprehend.
If the true intent is to reduce the scope or possibly end the event
please be up front with it. Based on my conservations with people this
year at the event it is certain that the attendance for next year's
event will be much smaller with fewer vendors.
It is unfortunate that an event which has meant a great deal to many
people for a long time has come to an end as we knew it. I wish you well
with the format change and hope that it meets your expectations. I will
be unlikely that I will be attending any future events.
Sincerely,
Bruce Berger
Tehachapi, CA
Thanks again for your support of last year's Julian Starfest, high in the
Cuyamaca Mountains near San Diego, close to Palomar Observatory, with
some of the darkest, clearest skies in the western USA.
We need your help again. Even if you can't be here in person, we request
that you help spread the word to everyone you know in California,
Arizona, Nevada, Utah and the west.
Please read the links below, and share them with all of your astronomy
friends.
If you wish to take the Palomar Observatory tour, please book early. Last
year we sold out.
ALSO -- If possible, please printout the attached PDF file and post in
appropriate locations where astronomers gather.
Regards,
-- Kurt Barnhart
Julianstars - at - expresswire.com
Thanks again for your support of last year's Julian Starfest, high in the
Cuyamaca Mountains near San Diego, close to Palomar Observatory, with
some of the darkest, clearest skies in the western USA.
We need your help again. Even if you can't be here in person, we request
that you help spread the word to everyone you know in California,
Arizona, Nevada, Utah and the west.
Please read the links below, and share them with all of your astronomy
friends.
If you wish to take the Palomar Observatory tour, please book early. Last
year we sold out.
Regards,
-- Kurt Barnhart
Julianstars - at - expresswire.com
Model Lighting Ordinance (MLO) Released for Public Review
The IDA/IES Joint Committee proudly announces
the release to public review of the Model
Lighting Ordinance (MLO).
For three years, IDA and the Illuminating Engineering Society (IES)
have collaborated on the creation of this breakthrough piece of civil
legislation, designed to promote universal implementation of energy
efficient, dark sky friendly, community outdoor lighting.
The
MLO is written in code language to permit easy adoption into community
codes and bylaws. Five (5) Lighting Zones of differing stringencies
tailor the MLO to local needs and preferences while remaining
consistent with the latest energy code criteria. The MLO was tested in
Anchorage, AK in 2008 and adjusted to ensure ease of adoption in most
communities.
Subsequent versions will incorporate guidelines for
street lighting, signage, and sports lighting applications. When
finished, the MLO will be an invaluable tool in creating efficient and
consistent outdoor lighting plans.
During
the review process, comments are welcome by all members of the public
regardless of IDA or IES membership. Please read the MLO and share your
ideas.
In order to ensure
accuracy in the reporting of public comments, each individual is
limited
to one (1) comment submission form. However, that submission form may
be up
to a maximum length of ten (10) pages, typed. If the commenter requires
additional pages, a request for a variance from this limit may be
submitted to ida@.... All
comments must be typed and word
processed. Electronic submissions in .pdf, .doc, .docx, .rtf are
preferred.
IDA
will post all comments anonymously on the IDA Web site. If necessary, an IDA/IES
response will accompany the comment.
The comments posted on the Web will remain
anonymous, but in order to reduce duplicate submissions, each commenter
is required to fill in all fields on this form.
Tehachapi Skywatch
by Dale Hawkins
Welcome to the International Year of Astronomy
The new year brings with it many beginnings, commemorations,
and renewals; we have a new president, we are celebrating the City of
Tehachapi's Centennial, and we are celebrating the four hundredth
anniversary of the astronomical telescope.
Until 1609, humanity's knowledge of the sky was very limited.
The daytime was overwhelmingly dominated by the sun, which brought
forth the light and warmth that made life possible. However, no one
could really say what it was. It moved like clockwork across the sky –
indeed, it was the clock – and through thin clouds could be seen to
be round. But that's about all we knew about the sun. Such lack of
knowledge means a mystery, which lends itself to mysticism.
Therefore, many – if not most – cultures considered the sun a god.
The night sky was far more mysterious. The myriad points of
light of varying brightness and color show little resemblance to the
sun. Ancient Greek astronomers speculated that the stars may be
extremely distant suns, but they couldn't prove it and few believed
that. The milky iridescence and dark dust clouds of our galaxy were
similarly inexplicable. And some of the brighter "stars" wandered
around the otherwise unchanging heavens. The common explanation was
that the heavens were fixed and immutable, while the planets were
gods making their way among the stars.
One thing was certain: Everything in the sky revolved around
the earth and, therefore, the earth was the center of the Universe.
Not only was it intuitive common sense, the pope said so – and that
was that.
In fact, the debate over whether the earth was the center of
the universe was challenged long ago. Aristarchus of Samos proposed
that the planets, including the earth, may actually move around the
sun in 270 BCE. The notion didn't gain much support for a variety of
reasons, not the least which being that – assuming circular orbits –
predictions did not precisely fit observations. Then Nicolaus
Copernicus and Johannes Kepler worked out a heliocentric (sun-
centered) model using ellipses instead of circles – which precisely
matched observations – in the 1500's. However, the pope had ruled
such ideas were heresy and so little came of it at the time.
That brings us to 1609 when Galileo Galilee first turned a
telescope on the night sky. His instruments were so crude that one is
hard-pressed to find one of such low quality on the market today. Yet
with it he saw that the moon was indeed a world with mountains,
valleys, and smooth areas that he likened to oceans, seas, lakes, and
marshes (though I doubt that he really thought they contained water).
Galileo studied the Milky Way and resolved its soft light into
countless stars like so many grains of sand on a beach. He discovered
that Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn were round like the sun and the moon,
while the stars were still just pinpoints of light. He reported that
Venus went through phases like the moon, which suggested that it went
around the sun and not the earth. But his most dangerous observation
was that four moons orbited Jupiter, conclusively proving that not
everything went around the earth. This was the first serious crack in
the geocentric (earth-centered) model of the Universe, which would be
shattered in the coming years. It also landed Galileo in hot water
with the Catholic Church. To make a long – but fascinating – story
short, Galileo was sentenced to house arrest for the last eight years
of his life for challenging Catholic doctrine. Had he been free to
correspond with his fellow academicians, it is almost certain that he
would have invented the calculus during those years. Only in 1993 did
the pope grudgingly concede that the church may have erred in
Galileo's case. (On the other hand, Galileo got off light; Giordano
Bruno was burned at the stake in 1600 for his belief in a
heliocentric and infinite universe.)
Until the astronomical renaissance of the 16th and 17th
centuries, astronomy and astrology were one and the same; for what
other possible use could there be in studying the stars if not to
determine their influence on human events? This renaissance forever
separated astronomy and astrology, making astronomy a serious science
while astrology remains in the realm of mysticism. (Indeed, it
disturbs me how pervasive astrology still is in this age of supposed
enlightenment.
It is this more enlightened side of humanity that celebrates
Galileo's accomplishments – and sacrifices – by declaring the four
hundredth anniversary of his first telescopic observations as the
first International Year of Astronomy. First proposed by the
International Astronomical Union, it has been so declared by the
United Nations and astronomical organizations around the world.
The goal of the declaration is to turn the consciousness of
every human being toward the grandeur, splendor, and wonder of the
Universe. We want to get as many people as possible behind a
telescope. The Greater Tehachapi Astronomy Club will be developing a
program to that end. Watch my column for further details; and if you
have ideas, please send them to me at hawk@....
Meanwhile, you can participate just by going outside on a
clear night and marveling at the limitless universe in which we live,
and appreciating how far we've come in understanding what we are and
where we are in this endless sea of space.
In the coming months, I'll share with you some of what we've
discovered in the last four hundred years.
Night Sky Watch
With a new moon on the 25th, the evening sky will be dark for
a time. The moon will occult (pass in front of) the Pleiades on the
evening of February third.
Venus is quickly moving between us and the sun. It can be
seen together with the moon and Jupiter in the morning sky on
February fourth.
Sunrise/Sunset (PST)
January 23rd: 6:59 am/5:13 pm
January 30th: 6:55 am/5:20 pm
February 6th: 6:49 am/5:27 pm
ILLUSTRATIONS
Primary:
Caption: Galileo was one of the most brilliant men of all time – and
he knew it. It was his ego that got him into the hottest water.
Portrait credit: Giusto Sustermans
File: C:\...Tehachapi Sky Watch\Galileo.jpg
Secondary:
Caption: While the mounting for his telescopes were ornate,
Galileo's optics were child's play by today's standards.
File: C:\...Tehachapi Sky Watch\Galileo telescope.gif
As you may recall, I have been spearheading a campaign to curb the
excessive lighting in the City of Tehachapi. I made a presentation
to the City Council in May, at which point they directed "staff" to
study the issue and provide a recommendation.
Staff concluded that their California Environmental Quality
Assessment (CEQA) procedures addressed this issue adequately and that
a new ordinance was unnecessary. However, CEQA does not mitigate
existing lighting. I therefore pressed for the issue to be presented
to the Council, which was done last Monday. Despite testimony from
several citizens in support of the idea, there was resistance to the
idea of requiring the retrofitting of lighting. I also pressed for
an ordinance provision prohibiting the shining of light from one
property onto another. Councilman Phil Smith said that such an
ordinance was in place. However, the Compliance Enforcement Officer,
Mr. Hiner, said that he is unaware of any ordinance that he can
enforce regarding light trespass. The council accepted the
recommendation of the City Manager and took no further action.
We are not yet defeated. The County Board of Supervisors is expected
to pass strong light pollution regulations early next year for
unincorporated portions of the county. This will put pressure on
municipalities to do the same. Meanwhile, I will lead a small team
that will be developing new strategies to educate and persuade
council members and the City Manager about this problem, particularly
highlighting the availability of low-cost solutions to ensure that
the Tehachapi Valley remains dark enough for years to come.
Keeping the nose above the horizon,
/s/ Hawk
809-7207
I have been in trouble for my health since April, and I just finished MRI and going to take CAT scan next. Things are going so slow here, such a remote area. So, I do not feel like attending something right now, but the day before yesterday, my husband and I watched the space station and something like a tool-bag? with our naked eyes from my backyard. John may give me a binocular, 10*50 for my Christmas present this year because my telescope is too small to see deep sky objects.
I will contact you and attend another available star parties after finishing everything of my trouble.
I am looking forward to seeing you and other members again.
Kimie
--- On Sat, 10/18/08, wood1744 <bwood44@...>
wrote:
From: wood1744 <bwood44@...> Subject: [GTAstronomyClub] Tonight's Telescope Clinic To: GTAstronomyClub@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 8:26 AM
Tehachapi Astronomers,
For those interested in getting some help with their telescopes, I'd
like to invite you over this evening to my house. The focus would be
on properly setting up and using your telescope in a low stress
environment. We can have lights on as necessary to ensure everything
is setup and operating so that you can do this easier on your own.
I'm located in Bear Valley. Please RSVP via either e-mail or phone
(238-9384) if you plan on attending.
We'll likely have a star party or telescope clinic in early November
to mark the final event of the season.
Hi Everyone,
I'm Richard Sparks and my wife, Christine, and I live in BVS. We've been in
Tehachapi about 7
years and are excited to find GTAC. Always big fans of anything astronomy we'll
be looking
forward to the club events. We missed the Sept Star Party because we were
exploring the
archaeo-astronomy of Chaco Culture in New Mexico and Chimney Rock in Colorado.
We were
fortunate to catch several Dark Sky programs while there. Fascinating and highly
recommended! Here's more info if you'd like, http://www.nps.gov/chcu/ and
http://www.chimneyrockco.org/mainnew.htm
See you all soon.
Tehachapi Astronomers,
For those interested in getting some help with their telescopes, I'd
like to invite you over this evening to my house. The focus would be
on properly setting up and using your telescope in a low stress
environment. We can have lights on as necessary to ensure everything
is setup and operating so that you can do this easier on your own.
I'm located in Bear Valley. Please RSVP via either e-mail or phone
(238-9384) if you plan on attending.
We'll likely have a star party or telescope clinic in early November
to mark the final event of the season.
- Brandon Wood
This map overlays data derived from weather satellites (DMSP) onto a Google map. It think it's an accurate representation of the light pollution in Tehachapi relative to Bakersfield or Lancaster/Palmdale. It also highlights the effect of the prison, which has it's own red spot on the map. It's interesting to note that the yellow area goes east of Tehachapi where there are few residences or businesses. This is from the Monolith Cement Plant. I'd also point out that the yellow area does not go into Bear Valley Springs, a testanment to the Environmental Control Committee (ECC) overlords that regulate light output from the relatively large number of houses there.
Based solely on this data, I'd say the local light pollution is more a result of wasteful businesses and the CCI, not the residences in Golden Hills, BVS, Stallion Springs, or otherwise.
I want to make a point concerning light from businesses. Many illuminate their parking lots with lots of light. That can't be argued even if it does seem glaring from below. What I consider evil (ok, very poor manners and wasteful) is when those lights are not properly baffled and let light go out to the sides and worse upwards. Those businesses that waste energy and create a glow in the sky are the ones that should be the focus for any light pollution mitigation efforts.
- Brandon
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Neill D. Hicks <neill_hicks@...> wrote:
For the article on Dark Skies, I need aerial/satellite night
photographs for:
§ Immediate Tehachapi area
§ Lancaster-Palmdale to Bakersfield area
§ CCI prison lights
Ground level photos would also be useful, particularly of local bright
spots such as K-Mark, Orchard Center, Lancaster-Palmdale fair grounds,
automobile lots, residential neighborhoods, etc.
Photographers and photos will, of course, receive credit in the article.
Thanks for your help,
Neill
I would love to attend the telescope clinic on Oct 18th. I have a great "student scope" and have not been able to figure out the equatorial mount. If we are in town i would also love to attend the Lunar night. The High School sounds like a great location for now. We had some help at the Mt Palomar Julian Festival and were able to sight in on Jupiter and follow it through the evening. What fun to share with the young people who came to gaze at the stars. Hope to meet every one soon. Kathy Burgess
--- On Fri, 9/26/08, Edith Cohen <biggrhammer@...> wrote:
From: Edith Cohen <biggrhammer@...> Subject: Re: [GTAstronomyClub] Feedback Needed for Next GTAC Event To:
GTAstronomyClub@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 7:50 AM
Rain or snow is all that would stop us. But perhaps another location at lower elevation would be warmer for those not accustomed to staying up all night in the cold!!
--- On Thu, 9/25/08, Brandon Wood <bwood44@gmail. com> wrote:
From: Brandon Wood <bwood44@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [GTAstronomyClub] Feedback Needed for Next GTAC Event To: GTAstronomyClub@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 11:13 PM
Thank you Edie, that's very generous!
You two are clearly diehards; I fear the impending weather might scare some people away.
I would like to hear from others to gauge the interest in multiple events.
We'd love to offer our property again for either or both of these events. Also, Tom will volunteer to help with polar alignment on equatorial mounts. Additionally, he'll talk to anyone who's interested about imaging, but is still not much more than beginner himself as far as imaging is concerned.
From: Brandon Wood <bwood44@gmail. com> Subject: [GTAstronomyClub] Feedback Needed for Next GTAC Event To: "gtastronomyclub" <GTAstronomyClub@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 8:04 PM
Tehachapi Astronomers. ..
I would like to hear your feedback on the next few GTAC events. The calendar has the following:
Event: Telescope Clinic
Date: Saturday, October 18th
Location: TBD
Event: Lunar Night
Date: Saturday, November 8th
Location: TBD
I have heard from a number of members that are interested in getting assistance with their telescopes. A Telescope Clinic would be a perfect opportunity to get help and advice setting up and using your telescope. The Lunar Night is on an evening in which the moon is just over half full and high in the sky. It would be good chance to explore the lunar terminator along with other bright objects in the sky. Since neither of these events needs a particularly dark location, we can have them at someone's house or the Tehachapi High School.
Please respond by indicating if you'd like to attend the Telescope Clinic, with telescope in tow, or the Lunar Night. If the response isn't heavy, we could combine these two events. If you can only attend one, please indicate which date is more advantageous for you. Also, if you'd like to host one of these, please let us know that as well!
The KRV Astronomy Club Star Party on
September 27th will be held at the Fairview Helispot up the Kern River.
The Fairview Helispot is on the old Fairview dump site, on the East
side of the road (away from the river) about 12 miles N north of
Kernville, 1 mile S of McNally’s Fairview Lodge.
For those driving over from the Indian
Wells Valley, take HWY 178 over the Walker Pass, down into the Kern
River Valley.
Turn RIGHT on Sierra Way (which become
Mt. HWY 99 as it passes Kernville).
Orange traffic cones will indicate the
turnout point on Mtn. HWY 99.
If you plan to attend, best to call club
president Rich Burdge Daytime: (760) 376-1291; Evening: (760) 376-6290.
People may want to bring a coat as temperatures may go from hot in the
day to fairly chilly after dark at this time of year.
KRV Astronomy Club meeting is held at 7pm every 3rd Thursday of month
at the Kern Valley Museum, 49 Big Blue Road, Kernville
For the article on Dark Skies, I need aerial/satellite night
photographs for:
§ Immediate Tehachapi area
§ Lancaster-Palmdale to Bakersfield area
§ CCI prison lights
Ground level photos would also be useful, particularly of local bright
spots such as K-Mark, Orchard Center, Lancaster-Palmdale fair grounds,
automobile lots, residential neighborhoods, etc.
Photographers and photos will, of course, receive credit in the article.
Thanks for your help,
Neill
Rain or snow is all that would stop us. But perhaps another location at lower elevation would be warmer for those not accustomed to staying up all night in the cold!!
--- On Thu, 9/25/08, Brandon Wood <bwood44@...> wrote:
From: Brandon Wood <bwood44@...> Subject: Re: [GTAstronomyClub] Feedback Needed for Next GTAC Event To: GTAstronomyClub@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 11:13 PM
Thank you Edie, that's very generous!
You two are clearly diehards; I fear the impending weather might scare some people away.
I would like to hear from others to gauge the interest in multiple events.
We'd love to offer our property again for either or both of these events. Also, Tom will volunteer to help with polar alignment on equatorial mounts. Additionally, he'll talk to anyone who's interested about imaging, but is still not much more than beginner himself as far as imaging is concerned.
From: Brandon Wood <bwood44@gmail. com> Subject: [GTAstronomyClub] Feedback Needed for Next GTAC Event To: "gtastronomyclub" <GTAstronomyClub@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 8:04 PM
Tehachapi Astronomers. ..
I would like to hear your feedback on the next few GTAC events. The calendar has the following:
Event: Telescope Clinic
Date: Saturday, October 18th
Location: TBD
Event: Lunar Night
Date: Saturday, November 8th
Location: TBD
I have heard from a number of members that are interested in getting assistance with their telescopes. A Telescope Clinic would be a perfect opportunity to get help and advice setting up and using your telescope. The Lunar Night is on an evening in which the moon is just over half full and high in the sky. It would be good chance to explore the lunar terminator along with other bright objects in the sky. Since neither of these events needs a particularly dark location, we can have them at someone's house or the Tehachapi High School.
Please respond by indicating if you'd like to attend the Telescope Clinic, with telescope in tow, or the Lunar Night. If the response isn't heavy, we could combine these two events. If you can only attend one, please indicate which date is more advantageous for you. Also, if you'd like to host one of these, please let us know that as well!
You two are clearly diehards; I fear the impending weather might scare some people away.
I would like to hear from others to gauge the interest in multiple events.
- Brandon
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Edith Cohen <biggrhammer@...> wrote:
We'd love to offer our property again for either or both of these events. Also, Tom will volunteer to help with polar alignment on equatorial mounts. Additionally, he'll talk to anyone who's interested about imaging, but is still not much more than beginner himself as far as imaging is concerned.
--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Brandon Wood <bwood44@...> wrote:
From: Brandon Wood <bwood44@...> Subject: [GTAstronomyClub] Feedback Needed for Next GTAC Event
To: "gtastronomyclub" <GTAstronomyClub@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 8:04 PM
Tehachapi Astronomers. ..
I would like to hear your feedback on the next few GTAC events. The calendar has the following:
Event: Telescope Clinic
Date: Saturday, October 18th
Location: TBD
Event: Lunar Night
Date: Saturday, November 8th
Location: TBD
I have heard from a number of members that are interested in getting assistance with their telescopes. A Telescope Clinic would be a perfect opportunity to get help and advice setting up and using your telescope. The Lunar Night is on an evening in which the moon is just over half full and high in the sky. It would be good chance to explore the lunar terminator along with other bright objects in the sky. Since neither of these events needs a particularly dark location, we can have them at someone's house or the Tehachapi High School.
Please respond by indicating if you'd like to attend the Telescope Clinic, with telescope in tow, or the Lunar Night. If the response isn't heavy, we could combine these two events. If you can only attend one, please indicate which date is more advantageous for you. Also, if you'd like to host one of these, please let us know that as well!
We'd love to offer our property again for either or both of these events. Also, Tom will volunteer to help with polar alignment on equatorial mounts. Additionally, he'll talk to anyone who's interested about imaging, but is still not much more than beginner himself as far as imaging is concerned.
--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Brandon Wood <bwood44@...> wrote:
From: Brandon Wood <bwood44@...> Subject: [GTAstronomyClub] Feedback Needed for Next GTAC Event To: "gtastronomyclub" <GTAstronomyClub@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 8:04 PM
Tehachapi Astronomers. ..
I would like to hear your feedback on the next few GTAC events. The calendar has the following:
Event: Telescope Clinic
Date: Saturday, October 18th
Location: TBD
Event: Lunar Night
Date: Saturday, November 8th
Location: TBD
I have heard from a number of members that are interested in getting assistance with their telescopes. A Telescope Clinic would be a perfect opportunity to get help and advice setting up and using your telescope. The Lunar Night is on an evening in which the moon is just over half full and high in the sky. It would be good chance to explore the lunar terminator along with other bright objects in the sky. Since neither of these events needs a particularly dark location, we can have them at someone's house or the Tehachapi High School.
Please respond by indicating if you'd like to attend the Telescope Clinic, with telescope in tow, or the Lunar Night. If the response isn't heavy, we could combine these two events. If you can only attend one, please indicate which date is more advantageous for you. Also, if you'd like to host one of these, please let us know that as well!
I would like to hear your feedback on the next few GTAC events. The calendar has the following:
Event: Telescope Clinic
Date: Saturday, October 18th
Location: TBD
Event: Lunar Night
Date: Saturday, November 8th
Location: TBD
I have heard from a number of members that are interested in getting assistance with their telescopes. A Telescope Clinic would be a perfect opportunity to get help and advice setting up and using your telescope. The Lunar Night is on an evening in which the moon is just over half full and high in the sky. It would be good chance to explore the lunar terminator along with other bright objects in the sky. Since neither of these events needs a particularly dark location, we can have them at someone's house or the Tehachapi High School.
Please respond by indicating if you'd like to attend the Telescope Clinic, with telescope in tow, or the Lunar Night. If the response isn't heavy, we could combine these two events. If you can only attend one, please indicate which date is more advantageous for you. Also, if you'd like to host one of these, please let us know that as well!
I'd like to encourage anyone interested in abating local light pollution to contact Neill. He's authoring a series of articles that will highlight the issue with I suspect a unique perspective.
- Brandon
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Neill D. Hicks<word.werx@...>
Date: Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:56 AM Subject: Star Party To: Brandon Wood <bwood44@...>, Edie & Tom Cohen <biggrhammer@...>
Thank you so much for taking a huddled, freezing couple into the warmth of the stars. Andi and I had a genuinely wonderful time and hope to get together with you again at the next commune.
Meanwhile, I'd be grateful for any ideas, notions, rants and solid information you have on light pollution in general as well as specific issues in the Tehachapi area for inclusion in my Mountain Signal articles.
We really enjoyed meeting all of you folks. The weather will do what it will, but having the opportunity to "commune with our fellow amateur astronomers" was most of the fun.
We'll be following the emails here and will let you know when we'll be in Tehachapi next.
There's lots more hot chocolate, coffee, tea and damp coffee cake where that came from!!!
--- On Sun, 9/21/08, wood1744 <bwood44@...> wrote:
From: wood1744 <bwood44@...> Subject: [GTAstronomyClub] Re: GTAC Star Party, Saturday, Sept 20th To: GTAstronomyClub@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 3:44 PM
I want to send out a very sincere Thank You to Tom and Edie for hosting yesterday's star party! The weather wasn't optimal; in fact it was downright odd, with humid air blowing through cooling everything down to the 40's. What didn't cool quickly was dewed up by 9pm.
We did manage some good views starting before sunset of Venus; Mercury, a rarity due to it's proximity to the sun; and Mars. The light gathering ability of Tom and Edie's C14 was critical to finding Mercury and Mars near the setting sun. I was able to find Mercury with my XT8 but never Mars. Clouds formed relatively quickly so we were left pointing towards sucker holes but were able to see quite a few objects between our two telescopes.
There were a total of nine of us in attendance. That is, if you count my two oldest boys, who were more interested in Edie's hot chocolate than anything in the sky. Thank you Edie for the warm
treats!
Tom showed us some of his astrophotography. He claims to have only owned a computer for, I believe, three years, but he's certainly been able to create wonderful digital images in the meantime.
Tom and Edie are regular attendees of Mt. Pinos during new moon weekends. But they do visit their property here in Alpine Forest, for it's solitude and night sky, frequently. I hope we can share the views again sometime!
- Brandon
--- In GTAstronomyClub@ yahoogroups. com, "wood1744" <bwood44@... > wrote: > > To follow-up my previous e-mail, the weather for Saturday looks great > with highs in the 70's and sunshine. Please bring warm clothes as > it'll likely be in the 50's not long after sundown at that elevation. > > Here's a link to a map to the Cohen property. >
> <http://maps. google.com/ maps?f=d& saddr=35. 124121,-118. 495016&daddr= Gotthardt+ Dr&hl=en& geocode=% 3BFR0_FwId1EHv- A&mra=dme& mrcr=0&mrsp= 0&sz=14&sll= 35.104532, -118.522568& sspn=0.062284, 0.096989& ie=UTF8&ll= 35.092945, -118.530035& spn=0.062293, 0.096989& t=h&z=14> > > (That's long so I hope it works!) > > Here's some directions that should help as well. > > 1) Head west out of town on SR 202 > > 2) Turn left on Banducci Rd. > > 3) Follow Banducci past the
entrance to Brite Lake where it turns left. > > 4) Stay on Banducci until you see the Alpine Forect entrance on the > left. That's Alps Drive. Turn left on Alps Drive. > > 5) Shortly up that road, at the top of a hill, turn right on Mountain > Climber Way. > > 6) Turn left on Matterhorn Drive. (Matterhorn Drive, to the left, > remains paved at this point. Going forward or to the right is not paved.) > > 7) Shortly thereafter, follow Matterhorn to the right and remain on > the pavement. If you go straight you will be on William Tell Trail, > the wrong way! > > 8) Stay on Matterhohn, passing Constance Way on the right and > Matterhorn Court on the left. These signs are easy to miss. The next > road is Gotthard on the left. Turn left on to Gotthard and you'll > shortly see other cars. Anyone else up that far is there for the same > star
party! Please pull forward, turn around, and park on the left > (North) side of the road so you can easily depart after dark. > > It's narrow and I'll try to help you park. If you'll be bringing a > telescope, the Cohen's have a level area on their property on which > you can setup your telescope. It's relatively small, especially since > we'll have a few larger RV's up there. But there should be sufficient > parking along Gotthard. > > The last 0.8 mile is dirt with light washboards but accessible by my > low-ground-clearanc e sedan. It shouldn't be a problem for any > vehicles but plan for at least 20 minutes from town. Once again, it > should be a great location for astronomy in Tehachapi. I look forward > to seeing you there! > > Brandon > > > --- In GTAstronomyClub@ yahoogroups. com, "wood1744" <bwood44@> wrote: > > > > The Greater Tehachapi Astronomy Club is having a public star party > > this Saturday, September 20th. Tom and Edith Cohen have graciously > > offered to host it on their undeveloped property high in Alpine > > Forest. Their location is one of the better locations near Tehachapi > > for observing the night sky. Their property is near 6,000ft elevation > > and away from many of the lights in Tehachapi. It's also relatively > > easily accessible; only about 20 minutes from downtown. I will follow > > this e-mail with another describing how to get to their property. > > Please plan on arriving before dark as the roads signs are hard to > > see. Arriving at 6:00 pm would be a good time to catch the sunset and > > watch the stars pop into view. > >
> > The Cohen's will set up their Celestron 14" SCT for visual observation > > and I will bring my 8" Dobsonian plus binoculars. If you plan to > > attend, please reply so we have an idea of how many people to > expect. > > > > We may also have Neill Hicks in attendance. He's composing a series > > of articles on Tehachapi light pollution and he'd like to get our > > perspective. > > > > Hope to see you there! > > Brandon > > >
I want to send out a very sincere Thank You to Tom and Edie for
hosting yesterday's star party! The weather wasn't optimal; in fact
it was downright odd, with humid air blowing through cooling
everything down to the 40's. What didn't cool quickly was dewed up by
9pm.
We did manage some good views starting before sunset of Venus;
Mercury, a rarity due to it's proximity to the sun; and Mars. The
light gathering ability of Tom and Edie's C14 was critical to finding
Mercury and Mars near the setting sun. I was able to find Mercury
with my XT8 but never Mars. Clouds formed relatively quickly so we
were left pointing towards sucker holes but were able to see quite a
few objects between our two telescopes.
There were a total of nine of us in attendance. That is, if you count
my two oldest boys, who were more interested in Edie's hot chocolate
than anything in the sky. Thank you Edie for the warm treats!
Tom showed us some of his astrophotography. He claims to have only
owned a computer for, I believe, three years, but he's certainly been
able to create wonderful digital images in the meantime.
Tom and Edie are regular attendees of Mt. Pinos during new moon
weekends. But they do visit their property here in Alpine Forest, for
it's solitude and night sky, frequently. I hope we can share the
views again sometime!
- Brandon
--- In GTAstronomyClub@yahoogroups.com, "wood1744" <bwood44@...> wrote:
>
> To follow-up my previous e-mail, the weather for Saturday looks great
> with highs in the 70's and sunshine. Please bring warm clothes as
> it'll likely be in the 50's not long after sundown at that elevation.
>
> Here's a link to a map to the Cohen property.
>
>
<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=35.124121,-118.495016&daddr=Gotthardt+Dr&\
hl=en&geocode=%3BFR0_FwId1EHv-A&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=14&sll=35.104532,-118.5\
22568&sspn=0.062284,0.096989&ie=UTF8&ll=35.092945,-118.530035&spn=0.062293,0.096\
989&t=h&z=14>
>
> (That's long so I hope it works!)
>
> Here's some directions that should help as well.
>
> 1) Head west out of town on SR 202
>
> 2) Turn left on Banducci Rd.
>
> 3) Follow Banducci past the entrance to Brite Lake where it turns left.
>
> 4) Stay on Banducci until you see the Alpine Forect entrance on the
> left. That's Alps Drive. Turn left on Alps Drive.
>
> 5) Shortly up that road, at the top of a hill, turn right on Mountain
> Climber Way.
>
> 6) Turn left on Matterhorn Drive. (Matterhorn Drive, to the left,
> remains paved at this point. Going forward or to the right is not
paved.)
>
> 7) Shortly thereafter, follow Matterhorn to the right and remain on
> the pavement. If you go straight you will be on William Tell Trail,
> the wrong way!
>
> 8) Stay on Matterhohn, passing Constance Way on the right and
> Matterhorn Court on the left. These signs are easy to miss. The next
> road is Gotthard on the left. Turn left on to Gotthard and you'll
> shortly see other cars. Anyone else up that far is there for the same
> star party! Please pull forward, turn around, and park on the left
> (North) side of the road so you can easily depart after dark.
>
> It's narrow and I'll try to help you park. If you'll be bringing a
> telescope, the Cohen's have a level area on their property on which
> you can setup your telescope. It's relatively small, especially since
> we'll have a few larger RV's up there. But there should be sufficient
> parking along Gotthard.
>
> The last 0.8 mile is dirt with light washboards but accessible by my
> low-ground-clearance sedan. It shouldn't be a problem for any
> vehicles but plan for at least 20 minutes from town. Once again, it
> should be a great location for astronomy in Tehachapi. I look forward
> to seeing you there!
>
> Brandon
>
>
> --- In GTAstronomyClub@yahoogroups.com, "wood1744" <bwood44@> wrote:
> >
> > The Greater Tehachapi Astronomy Club is having a public star party
> > this Saturday, September 20th. Tom and Edith Cohen have graciously
> > offered to host it on their undeveloped property high in Alpine
> > Forest. Their location is one of the better locations near Tehachapi
> > for observing the night sky. Their property is near 6,000ft elevation
> > and away from many of the lights in Tehachapi. It's also relatively
> > easily accessible; only about 20 minutes from downtown. I will follow
> > this e-mail with another describing how to get to their property.
> > Please plan on arriving before dark as the roads signs are hard to
> > see. Arriving at 6:00 pm would be a good time to catch the sunset and
> > watch the stars pop into view.
> >
> > The Cohen's will set up their Celestron 14" SCT for visual observation
> > and I will bring my 8" Dobsonian plus binoculars. If you plan to
> > attend, please reply so we have an idea of how many people to
> expect.
> >
> > We may also have Neill Hicks in attendance. He's composing a series
> > of articles on Tehachapi light pollution and he'd like to get our
> > perspective.
> >
> > Hope to see you there!
> > Brandon
> >
>
To follow-up my previous e-mail, the weather for Saturday looks great
with highs in the 70's and sunshine. Please bring warm clothes as
it'll likely be in the 50's not long after sundown at that elevation.
Here's a link to a map to the Cohen property.
<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=35.124121,-118.495016&daddr=Gotthardt+Dr&\
hl=en&geocode=%3BFR0_FwId1EHv-A&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=14&sll=35.104532,-118.5\
22568&sspn=0.062284,0.096989&ie=UTF8&ll=35.092945,-118.530035&spn=0.062293,0.096\
989&t=h&z=14>
(That's long so I hope it works!)
Here's some directions that should help as well.
1) Head west out of town on SR 202
2) Turn left on Banducci Rd.
3) Follow Banducci past the entrance to Brite Lake where it turns left.
4) Stay on Banducci until you see the Alpine Forect entrance on the
left. That's Alps Drive. Turn left on Alps Drive.
5) Shortly up that road, at the top of a hill, turn right on Mountain
Climber Way.
6) Turn left on Matterhorn Drive. (Matterhorn Drive, to the left,
remains paved at this point. Going forward or to the right is not paved.)
7) Shortly thereafter, follow Matterhorn to the right and remain on
the pavement. If you go straight you will be on William Tell Trail,
the wrong way!
8) Stay on Matterhohn, passing Constance Way on the right and
Matterhorn Court on the left. These signs are easy to miss. The next
road is Gotthard on the left. Turn left on to Gotthard and you'll
shortly see other cars. Anyone else up that far is there for the same
star party! Please pull forward, turn around, and park on the left
(North) side of the road so you can easily depart after dark.
It's narrow and I'll try to help you park. If you'll be bringing a
telescope, the Cohen's have a level area on their property on which
you can setup your telescope. It's relatively small, especially since
we'll have a few larger RV's up there. But there should be sufficient
parking along Gotthard.
The last 0.8 mile is dirt with light washboards but accessible by my
low-ground-clearance sedan. It shouldn't be a problem for any
vehicles but plan for at least 20 minutes from town. Once again, it
should be a great location for astronomy in Tehachapi. I look forward
to seeing you there!
Brandon
--- In GTAstronomyClub@yahoogroups.com, "wood1744" <bwood44@...> wrote:
>
> The Greater Tehachapi Astronomy Club is having a public star party
> this Saturday, September 20th. Tom and Edith Cohen have graciously
> offered to host it on their undeveloped property high in Alpine
> Forest. Their location is one of the better locations near Tehachapi
> for observing the night sky. Their property is near 6,000ft elevation
> and away from many of the lights in Tehachapi. It's also relatively
> easily accessible; only about 20 minutes from downtown. I will follow
> this e-mail with another describing how to get to their property.
> Please plan on arriving before dark as the roads signs are hard to
> see. Arriving at 6:00 pm would be a good time to catch the sunset and
> watch the stars pop into view.
>
> The Cohen's will set up their Celestron 14" SCT for visual observation
> and I will bring my 8" Dobsonian plus binoculars. If you plan to
> attend, please reply so we have an idea of how many people to
expect.
>
> We may also have Neill Hicks in attendance. He's composing a series
> of articles on Tehachapi light pollution and he'd like to get our
> perspective.
>
> Hope to see you there!
> Brandon
>
The Greater Tehachapi Astronomy Club is having a public star party
this Saturday, September 20th. Tom and Edith Cohen have graciously
offered to host it on their undeveloped property high in Alpine
Forest. Their location is one of the better locations near Tehachapi
for observing the night sky. Their property is near 6,000ft elevation
and away from many of the lights in Tehachapi. It's also relatively
easily accessible; only about 20 minutes from downtown. I will follow
this e-mail with another describing how to get to their property.
Please plan on arriving before dark as the roads signs are hard to
see. Arriving at 6:00 pm would be a good time to catch the sunset and
watch the stars pop into view.
The Cohen's will set up their Celestron 14" SCT for visual observation
and I will bring my 8" Dobsonian plus binoculars. If you plan to
attend, please reply so we have an idea of how many people to expect.
We may also have Neill Hicks in attendance. He's composing a series
of articles on Tehachapi light pollution and he'd like to get our
perspective.
Hope to see you there!
Brandon
Any press about the local light pollution problem is greatly welcome. I'll call you this evening but there are others more experienced with the particulars of the Tehachapi area light pollution than I. They're in the GTAC yahoo group, and will hopefully see this e-mail. Frank, Dale, others---please give Neill a call so as to add your experience and insight. Hopefully we won't make your ear's bleed... :)
- Brandon
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:44 PM, neill_hicks <neill_hicks@...> wrote:
Brandon --
I'm writing a feature article for the Mountain Signal on light pollution in the Tehachapi area. My research so far indicates that
this may be a series of articles. I'd appreciate your giving me a call so we can chat about dark sky, Tehachapi lights, etc. Article deadline is 20th, so please get back to me asap.
Here are the directions to our lot in Alpine Forest. Unfortunately, I can't give distances between the turns. I'd be guessing at best. If you'd like I can fax a map to you or there's time for me to mail it, so let me know what you'd prefer.
Head west out of town on 202 (Valley Blvd.)
Turn left on Banducci Rd.
Follow Banducci past the entrance to Brite lake where it turns to the left.
Stay on Banducci until you see the Alpine Forest entrance. That's Alps Drive. Turn left on Alps Drive.
Turn right on Mountain Climber Way.
Turn left on Matterhorn Drive, followed quickly by a right turn to stay on Matterhorn. If you miss that quick right, you'll be on William Tell Trail. You don't want to be there.
Stay on Matterhorn, passing Constance Way on the right and Matterhorn Court on the left. The next road is Gotthard. Turn left. We're on the right just as Gotthard starts to curve to the right.
Edie & Tom Cohen
--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Edith Cohen <biggrhammer@...> wrote:
From: Edith Cohen <biggrhammer@...> Subject: Re: [GTAstronomyClub] Star Party Anyone?? To: GTAstronomyClub@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 7:15 PM
ok. We'll have a scope set up too. Either a 6" refractor or a 14" Celestron.
We'll write up some directions this weekend. I gotta tell you, though, that getting there after dark is going to be challenging. The street signs are 4 x 4 poles in the ground with the street names written vertically down the length of the pole. There are no street lights. That's why we bought the property. It's dark. I don't think anyone will even see the poles in the dark, let alone being able to read the names.
The address is 17751 Gotthard Drive.
What's the earliest you'd be available to meet on Friday? Looks like we're going to get into town earlier than we thought.
--- On Wed, 9/3/08, Brandon Wood <bwood44@gmail. com> wrote:
From: Brandon Wood <bwood44@gmail. com> Subject: Re: [GTAstronomyClub] Star Party Anyone?? To: GTAstronomyClub@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 9:45 PM
8 miles from town--sounds very doable.
Lets plan for Sep 20th. 7pm (sunset is 6:54) at your lot in Alpine Forest. I'll take care of some balloons/signs, but we'll need fairly detailed directions as some will likely arrive after dark. Please send the address and I'll come up with some directions. I will plan to meet you on Friday evening as you drive up. On Saturday night, I'll plan to drive my RV up there and will bring my 8" and a few sets of binoculars. Hopefully we can convince a few others to bring their scopes (big or small) up as well!! Lauren will likely advertise the event in her physics classes so there's a good chance that a few students and parents will attend as well.
There are some steep hills on the road up. Only the last mile or so is unpaved, but that's the steepest part.
It's about 8 miles out of town.
We'd probably be getting into town on Friday about 6 p.m. Perhaps we could meet you in town somewhere and take you up. Then on the way back down, maybe you could post some signs??? Once we climb that hill in a Class A 30' motorhome, we don't like to go back down and come up again.
We could stay in contact by cell phones. They work there.
It sounds like your lot would be an interesting place to host a star party. If you don't mind driving up for that weekend, I think it'd be excellent to try out! We'll need to get the word out soon to maximize participation. The hardest part might be getting people to the right location. It may required balloons on signposts and the like. The 20th seems like a good date to aim for. The moon won't be a concern.
How far is it from town? Are the roads a concern--steep or bumpy?
There's a hill between our lot and the penitentiary which blocks the direct light. We still get a little sky glow, however.
With your motorhome and ours, we probably have room for 6 cars, still leaving room to set up telescopes.
Turns out we might be committed elsewhere for the next moon weekend, Sept. 26 and 27, but will be available the weekend before, Sept. 19 and 20, around last quarter moon. Still dark skies until well after midnight.
Sounds like you had a good week in Tonopah and Grandview! I'm very much looking forward to getting to Grandview next summer. Did you drive your 30' RV up there? I have 30' Class C RV that I would like to use.
You said you regularly spend time on your Alpine Forest lot. How are the lights from the penitentiary? We've been searching for an easily accessible, yet dark, site to host local star parties. I'm intrigued by the possibility of doing a star party up there. How many people (parked cars) could the area accommodate? How far is it from town? We're planning to do something in September but are unsure of where. (I was going to scout out Bright Lake tomorrow after work.) Maybe we could do something September 27th up that way? I could also drive my RV up there to provide a little extra hospitality.
I received your Trifid image; it looks
wonderful! Your Veil shot didn't make it through. If you'd like, you could send it to me (bwood44 at gmail dot com) and I could post it on the GTAC site.
Hello GT Astronomy Club Members. Tom Cohen here. We sent a message to you folks a couple of months ago, but never heard back from anyone. Anyway, now that I see some activity I thought I'd try to contact you again.
My wife and I have a lot in Alpine Forest and usually spend the weekend there once a month or so, as long as we can get up the road before the snow starts in winter and after things dry out some in the spring.
We just got back from 10 days of astronomy in Tonopah, Nevada and Grandview Campground in the White Mountains, elevation about 8,600 feet. Wow, talk about DARK!!! Grandview is really nice. The north side of the campground loop road has lots of places to pull in and set up with wide open views of the sky. Behind the open areas are places in the trees to set up tents and here and there are some picnic tables. No water and pit toilets only. And you have to haul your own trash out.
It was in the mid to high 80s during the day and high 40s overnight. We learned from others who go there a lot that the weather is chancey during the summer through about the middle to end of August--thunderstor ms and cloudy skies are common. Indeed, we had one night of clouds until about midnight, when it cleared up, and one day of cloudy skies and a bit of rain. After the rain, however, the skies were clear and seeing was better than the previous 4 nights!!
I'm attaching some astrophotos which I took at Grandview--the Trifid Nebula (M-20) and part of the Veil Nebula. For the Veil, you'll need to move your computer screen back and forth until you seen the best view. It's very subtle.
We do most of our observing on new moon weekends at Mt. Pinos, but would love to participate in one of your star parties. Perhaps if we can get organized enough, we would offer to invite you to our lot in Alpine Forest for a night of observing. Bear in mind, however, we just have the lot--no house, no bathroom, no water. We go in our 30' RV and I could offer use of the bathroom but only to a limited number of people. The holding tank is only so big!!
We could write up some directions on how to get there, but people would have to arrive before dark or they'd never find us.
Anyway, let us know how that sounds. Our schedule is pretty clear except for October new moon weekend (10/31 and 11/1) when we'll be at Nightfall in Borrego Springs, an astronomy conference put on by the Riverside Astronomical Society and the Riverside Telescope Makers Group.
ok. We'll have a scope set up too. Either a 6" refractor or a 14" Celestron.
We'll write up some directions this weekend. I gotta tell you, though, that getting there after dark is going to be challenging. The street signs are 4 x 4 poles in the ground with the street names written vertically down the length of the pole. There are no street lights. That's why we bought the property. It's dark. I don't think anyone will even see the poles in the dark, let alone being able to read the names.
The address is 17751 Gotthard Drive.
What's the earliest you'd be available to meet on Friday? Looks like we're going to get into town earlier than we thought.
--- On Wed, 9/3/08, Brandon Wood <bwood44@...> wrote:
From: Brandon Wood <bwood44@...> Subject: Re: [GTAstronomyClub] Star Party Anyone?? To: GTAstronomyClub@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 9:45 PM
8 miles from town--sounds very doable.
Lets plan for Sep 20th. 7pm (sunset is 6:54) at your lot in Alpine Forest. I'll take care of some balloons/signs, but we'll need fairly detailed directions as some will likely arrive after dark. Please send the address and I'll come up with some directions. I will plan to meet you on Friday evening as you drive up. On Saturday night, I'll plan to drive my RV up there and will bring my 8" and a few sets of binoculars. Hopefully we can convince a few others to bring their scopes (big or small) up as well!! Lauren will likely advertise the event in her physics classes so there's a good chance that a few students and parents will attend as well.
There are some steep hills on the road up. Only the last mile or so is unpaved, but that's the steepest part.
It's about 8 miles out of town.
We'd probably be getting into town on Friday about 6 p.m. Perhaps we could meet you in town somewhere and take you up. Then on the way back down, maybe you could post some signs??? Once we climb that hill in a Class A 30' motorhome, we don't like to go back down and come up again.
We could stay in contact by cell phones. They work there.
It sounds like your lot would be an interesting place to host a star party. If you don't mind driving up for that weekend, I think it'd be excellent to try out! We'll need to get the word out soon to maximize participation. The hardest part might be getting people to the right location. It may required balloons on signposts and the like. The 20th seems like a good date to aim for. The moon won't be a concern.
How far is it from town? Are the roads a concern--steep or bumpy?
There's a hill between our lot and the penitentiary which blocks the direct light. We still get a little sky glow, however.
With your motorhome and ours, we probably have room for 6 cars, still leaving room to set up telescopes.
Turns out we might be committed elsewhere for the next moon weekend, Sept. 26 and 27, but will be available the weekend before, Sept. 19 and 20, around last quarter moon. Still dark skies until well after midnight.
Sounds like you had a good week in Tonopah and Grandview! I'm very much looking forward to getting to Grandview next summer. Did you drive your 30' RV up there? I have 30' Class C RV that I would like to use.
You said you regularly spend time on your Alpine Forest lot. How are the lights from the penitentiary? We've been searching for an easily accessible, yet dark, site to host local star parties. I'm intrigued by the possibility of doing a star party up there. How many people (parked cars) could the area accommodate? How far is it from town? We're planning to do something in September but are unsure of where. (I was going to scout out Bright Lake tomorrow after work.) Maybe we could do something September 27th up that way? I could also drive my RV up there to provide a little extra hospitality.
I received your Trifid image; it looks
wonderful! Your Veil shot didn't make it through. If you'd like, you could send it to me (bwood44 at gmail dot com) and I could post it on the GTAC site.
Hello GT Astronomy Club Members. Tom Cohen here. We sent a message to you folks a couple of months ago, but never heard back from anyone. Anyway, now that I see some activity I thought I'd try to contact you again.
My wife and I have a lot in Alpine Forest and usually spend the weekend there once a month or so, as long as we can get up the road before the snow starts in winter and after things dry out some in the spring.
We just got back from 10 days of astronomy in Tonopah, Nevada and Grandview Campground in the White Mountains, elevation about 8,600 feet. Wow, talk about DARK!!! Grandview is really nice. The north side of the campground loop road has lots of places to pull in and set up with wide open views of the sky. Behind the open areas are places in the trees to set up tents and here and there are some picnic tables. No water and pit toilets only. And you have to haul your own trash out.
It was in the mid to high 80s during the day and high 40s overnight. We learned from others who go there a lot that the weather is chancey during the summer through about the middle to end of August--thunderstor ms and cloudy skies are common. Indeed, we had one night of clouds until about midnight, when it cleared up, and one day of cloudy skies and a bit of rain. After the rain, however, the skies were clear and seeing was better than the previous 4 nights!!
I'm attaching some astrophotos which I took at Grandview--the Trifid Nebula (M-20) and part of the Veil Nebula. For the Veil, you'll need to move your computer screen back and forth until you seen the best view. It's very subtle.
We do most of our observing on new moon weekends at Mt. Pinos, but would love to participate in one of your star parties. Perhaps if we can get organized enough, we would offer to invite you to our lot in Alpine Forest for a night of observing. Bear in mind, however, we just have the lot--no house, no bathroom, no water. We go in our 30' RV and I could offer use of the bathroom but only to a limited number of people. The holding tank is only so big!!
We could write up some directions on how to get there, but people would have to arrive before dark or they'd never find us.
Anyway, let us know how that sounds. Our schedule is pretty clear except for October new moon weekend (10/31 and 11/1) when we'll be at Nightfall in Borrego Springs, an astronomy conference put on by the Riverside Astronomical Society and the Riverside Telescope Makers Group.
Lets plan for Sep 20th. 7pm (sunset is 6:54) at your lot in Alpine Forest. I'll take care of some balloons/signs, but we'll need fairly detailed directions as some will likely arrive after dark. Please send the address and I'll come up with some directions. I will plan to meet you on Friday evening as you drive up. On Saturday night, I'll plan to drive my RV up there and will bring my 8" and a few sets of binoculars. Hopefully we can convince a few others to bring their scopes (big or small) up as well!! Lauren will likely advertise the event in her physics classes so there's a good chance that a few students and parents will attend as well.
- Brandon
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Edith Cohen <biggrhammer@...> wrote:
There are some steep hills on the road up. Only the last mile or so is unpaved, but that's the steepest part.
It's about 8 miles out of town.
We'd probably be getting into town on Friday about 6 p.m. Perhaps we could meet you in town somewhere and take you up. Then on the way back down, maybe you could post some signs??? Once we climb that hill in a Class A 30' motorhome, we don't like to go back down and come up again.
We could stay in contact by cell phones. They work there.
--- On Wed, 9/3/08, Brandon Wood <bwood44@...> wrote:
It sounds like your lot would be an interesting place to host a star party. If you don't mind driving up for that weekend, I think it'd be excellent to try out! We'll need to get the word out soon to maximize participation. The hardest part might be getting people to the right location. It may required balloons on signposts and the like. The 20th seems like a good date to aim for. The moon won't be a concern.
How far is it from town? Are the roads a concern--steep or bumpy?
There's a hill between our lot and the penitentiary which blocks the direct light. We still get a little sky glow, however.
With your motorhome and ours, we probably have room for 6 cars, still leaving room to set up telescopes.
Turns out we might be committed elsewhere for the next moon weekend, Sept. 26 and 27, but will be available the weekend before, Sept. 19 and 20, around last quarter moon. Still dark skies until well after midnight.
Sounds like you had a good week in Tonopah and Grandview! I'm very much looking forward to getting to Grandview next summer. Did you drive your 30' RV up there? I have 30' Class C RV that I would like to use.
You said you regularly spend time on your Alpine Forest lot. How are the lights from the penitentiary? We've been searching for an easily accessible, yet dark, site to host local star parties. I'm intrigued by the possibility of doing a star party up there. How many people (parked cars) could the area accommodate? How far is it from town? We're planning to do something in September but are unsure of where. (I was going to scout out Bright Lake tomorrow after work.) Maybe we could do something September 27th up that way? I could also drive my RV up there to provide a little extra hospitality.
I received your Trifid
image; it looks wonderful! Your Veil shot didn't make it through. If you'd like, you could send it to me (bwood44 at gmail dot com) and I could post it on the GTAC site.
Hello GT Astronomy Club Members. Tom Cohen here. We sent a message to you folks a couple of months ago, but never heard back from anyone. Anyway, now that I see some activity I thought I'd try to contact you again.
My wife and I have a lot in Alpine Forest and usually spend the weekend there once a month or so, as long as we can get up the road before the snow starts in winter and after things dry out some in the spring.
We just got back from 10 days of astronomy in Tonopah, Nevada and Grandview Campground in the White Mountains, elevation about 8,600 feet. Wow, talk about DARK!!! Grandview is really nice. The north side of the campground loop road has lots of places to pull in and set up with wide open views of the sky. Behind the open areas are places in the trees to set up tents and here and there are some picnic tables. No water and pit toilets only. And you have to haul your own trash out.
It was in the mid to high 80s during the day and high 40s overnight. We learned from others who go there a lot that the weather is chancey during the summer through about the middle to end of August--thunderstor ms and cloudy skies are common. Indeed, we had one night of clouds until about midnight, when it cleared up, and one day of cloudy skies and a bit of rain. After the rain, however, the skies were clear and seeing was better than the previous 4 nights!!
I'm attaching some astrophotos which I took at Grandview--the Trifid Nebula (M-20) and part of the Veil Nebula. For the Veil, you'll need to move your computer screen back and forth until you seen the best view. It's very subtle.
We do most of our observing on new moon weekends at Mt. Pinos, but would love to participate in one of your star parties. Perhaps if we can get organized enough, we would offer to invite you to our lot in Alpine Forest for a night of observing. Bear in mind, however, we just have the lot--no house, no bathroom, no water. We go in our 30' RV and I could offer use of the bathroom but only to a limited number of people. The holding tank is only so big!!
We could write up some directions on how to get there, but people would have to arrive before dark or they'd never find us.
Anyway, let us know how that sounds. Our schedule is pretty clear except for October new moon weekend (10/31 and 11/1) when we'll be at Nightfall in Borrego Springs, an astronomy conference put on by the Riverside Astronomical Society and the Riverside Telescope Makers Group.
Thank you for showing John and Kimie the many of celestial
objects and answering for my abrupt questions. We enjoyed the observing very
much. Almost were my first experiences.
Brandon , thank you for
the list of the objects we observed at the party.It
is absolutely I wanted to ask you on an e-mail after all.I liked all of them. I am going to make a log.
Hawk, Don't you think that you showed me another objects? I remember Antares. Was it all?
Lauren, I went Tehachapi library yesterday, to search books you told me. I found them. I was so excited to see all titles of books relating to astronomy or physics. I will challenge to read them but may be in next year.
John is interested in going to Bristlecone Pine Forest, if he will go, I can go with him.
Thank you
Kimie --- On Sun, 8/31/08, wood1744 <bwood44@...> wrote:
From: wood1744 <bwood44@...> Subject: [GTAstronomyClub] Re: Open Invitation for Saturday Night To: GTAstronomyClub@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 11:01 AM
Thanks to those that had the opportunity to join me last night--I
enjoyed the company and conversation! The RV and van definitely
helped with my local light pollution. I even remembered to remove the
bucket from atop my neighbor's light. (It wasn't warm by the way, and
will be reused!)
Let's see, we viewed Jupiter, Herschel's Garnet Star, Albireo, the
Double Double, Lagoon nebula (M8), Dumbbell nebula (M27), Hercules
Cluster (M13), Andromeda Galaxy w/neighbors (M31/M32/M110) , the Double
Cluster, Ring nebula (M57), and Veil nebula.
We briefly discussed the next meeting, a better publicized star party.
Looking at a calendar, I'd suggest Sep 19, 20, 26 or 27 depending on
the THS football schedule. I'll scout out the Bright Lake area at
night, which I think has high promise. I'd like to nail the
date/location down early enough to post some notices in the local
papers. (Maybe Hawk can add a paragraph to his column in the Loop ;) )
For October, let's aim for the evening of Oct 18th. Location TBD.
Then maybe in November we can have a "Lunatics Night", on the Nov 7th
or 8th. The moon will be a nice 10-day old waxing gibbous with an
interesting terminator. We should probably plan for Friday the 7th
and the 8th would be a weather backup.
Lauren got me interested in the Grandview campground at Bristlecone
Pine Forest. I'm now planning to do a trip up there next summer.
Looks like Father's Day weekend of Jun 19-21 might be a good target
date. Maybe we can coordinate with some other locals clubs (Antelope
Valley, China Lake, Kern River) and increase the scope count.
Before then I need to finish the refurbishment of my 18"...
- Brandon
--- In GTAstronomyClub@ yahoogroups. com, "Brandon Wood" <bwood44@... >
wrote:
>
> Wonderful--Come on by! When you learn how to pronounce all the
> constellations, please help me!
>
> I'm not really sure how many people will attend. I don't expect
more than
> just a few.
>
> As a club, we haven't done much since starting the Yahoo group last
year.
> Dale Hawkins is coming over and we'll be doing some club planning,
setting
> up schedules, etc.
>
> Please feel free to bring your NexStar. Hopefully the tennis court
lights
> will go out early!
>
> - Brandon
>
> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 3:51 PM, kimietedo <kimietedo@. ..> wrote:
>
> > --- In GTAstronomyClub@ yahoogroups. com<GTAstronomyClub% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > "wood1744" <bwood44@> wrote:
> > >Dear Brandon,
> >
> > My name is Kimie, and I am your neighbor.
> > I would like to attend the star party or meeting with my husband John
> > tonight.
> >
> > I am supposed to be a member of GTAstronomyClub since January this
> > year but not really active yet. Although I have found my interest on
> > cosmology since then, English is not my native language; I really need
> > to take another effort. So far I enjoy reading Astronomy magazines
> > with a dictionary more than observing the sky. I am really beginner of
> > astronomy that I even do not know how to pronounce constellation' s
> > name. I have an anniversary- gift-telescope that took back from my
> > parent in law, Celestron, NexStar 4, Aperture 4.5 inches? I don't
> > really satisfy for the view but think that I must have a lot of things
> > to learn from it. See you soon!
> >
> > Kimie
> >
> > > I would like to extent an open invitation to all Astronomy
enthusiasts
> > > in Tehachapi to join me Saturday evening at my house. The new moon
> > > this weekend is a good excuse to meet. I would like to discuss
> > > creating a more formal club organization, whatever that means to us,
> > > and developing a schedule for future star parties.
> > >
> > > I also know there are many people out there that have telescopes but
> > > need assistance setting them up or using them. Tomorrow would be an
> > > excellent opportunity for me or others to provide help. There are
> > > some bright lights near my house in Bear Valley Springs but it works
> > > well enough for casual observing and certainly a good location
if you
> > > are just learning how to use your telescope.
> > >
> > > So join me at my house Saturday night, Aug 30. My address is 29721 N
> > > Lower Valley Road. Please respond or call me at 661-238-9384 for a
> > > BVS gate pass. 7pm-midnight. Rain or shine. Please park on the
> > > gravel portion of my driveway, so we can use the concrete
portion for
> > > telescopes. There's plenty of room.
> > >
> > > I have a fancy new eyepiece arriving today, so I know I'll be
running
> > > it through it's paces Saturday night. I hope to see you there!
> > >
> > > - Brandon
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>