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#234 From: "J. J. (Jim) Logan" <jjlnv@...>
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:19 am
Subject: Re: Back to genealogy 		jjlogan0
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Thanks.

====================
J. J. (Jim) Logan
Group Administrator, J-mtDNA and Logan DNA Projects at FTDNA
Moderator, J-mtDNA and GenGen-NV Discussion Groups on Yahoo
===================================================================

On 12/17/2012 10:41 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote:
>
> I'd be happy to - got it on my calendar
>
> Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime!
>
> On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:08 PM, "J. J. (Jim) Logan" <jjlnv@...
> <mailto:jjlnv%40comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> > Jim:
> >
> > I have Nell Hurley making a presentation on January 2 on a surname
> > project. Bob McLaren is now scheduled to do a walk through of
> > Ancestry.com on March 6. This leaves open February 6. Perhaps you could
> > lead a discussion of atDNA at Ancestry on that date as a transition
> > between your December presentation and Bob's Ancestry presentation.
> This
> > could also permit follow up questions from last meeting. Then in May
> > and June we could finish the program year with GEDmatch and
> FamilySearch.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ====================
> > J. J. (Jim) Logan
> > Group Administrator, J-mtDNA and Logan DNA Projects at FTDNA
> > Moderator, J-mtDNA and GenGen-NV Discussion Groups on Yahoo
> > ===================================================================
> >
> > On 12/9/2012 1:57 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote:
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> Thanks for the kind words. It appears my goal of reaching
> >> genealogists, without needing much biology, is beginning to take shape.
> >>
> >> As I indicated in my talk, I have about 500 additional autosomal
> >> Matches at GEDmatch. I have used several of their utilities, and
> >> worked out several download processes using their data. I'd be glad to
> >> lead, or help, with a presentation on GEDmatch. I haven't used all of
> >> their features yet.
> >>
> >> I've also tested autosomal DNA at Ancestry. I can make some screen
> >> shots and go over their process (very good tools to find Common
> >> Ancestors; but NO DNA data). I could talk/help on AncesrtyDNA too.
> >>
> >> The important thing is for genealogists to become comfortable and
> >> skilled using the DNA tools - it will help us all. So thanks to you
> >> for providing this forum.
> >>
> >> Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime!
> >>
> >> On Dec 9, 2012, at 1:25 PM, "J. J. (Jim) Logan" <jjlnv@...
> <mailto:jjlnv%40comcast.net>
> >> <mailto:jjlnv%40comcast.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Greetings:
> >>>
> >>> In most of our meetings, we have concentrated on the tools of gemetic
> >>> senealogy and their application in various projects. As was emphasized
> >>> in Jim Bartletts excellent briefing this week, these tools help you
> >> find
> >>> relatives but generally do not tell you what the relationship actually
> >>> is. You still have to use conventional genealogy to develop family
> >>> trees and compare these trees to find specific common ancestors.
> >>>
> >>> I would like to schedule a series of meetings on the tools to help in
> >>> comparing genealogies and would like your help as contributors. For
> >>> example, I have never used GEDmatch and would be very appreciative if
> >>> someone would volunteer to demonstrate its use and lead a discussion.
> >>> Similarly, I am a former Ancestry.com subscriber but let my
> >> subscription
> >>> expire several years age. They have extensive resources to help you
> >>> extend you ancestry. Furthermore, have thousands of family trees that
> >>> you can tap into to find common ancestors and/or cousins that can help
> >>> with your research. I would appreciate a volunteer to lead me and
> >>> others by the hand to make good use of Ancestry.com.
> >>>
> >>> There are, of course, many other examples. Please help me identify
> >>> these resources, contribute you expertise (even if it is limited) in
> >>> helping us getting started in using these resources.
> >>>
> >>> You are encourages to post your ideas and suggestions to this mail
> list
> >>> for all to see and thus stimulate further discussion. You are also
> >>> welcome to volunteer here and solicit collaborators. I would also be
> >>> glad to correspond privately when that is appropriate.
> >>>
> >>> This group was established to be a cooperative self help group. Its
> >>> future direction is largely up to you.
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ====================
> >>> J. J. (Jim) Logan
> >>> Group Administrator, J-mtDNA and Logan DNA Projects at FTDNA
> >>> Moderator, J-mtDNA and GenGen-NV Discussion Groups on Yahoo
> >>> ============================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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#235 From: "J. J. (Jim) Logan" <jjlnv@...>
Date: Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:05 pm
Subject: Re: Back to genealogy 		jjlogan0
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Jim:

I have given more thought to our GenGen program schedule and have
suggestion/requests.

I expect Bob's discussion to be primarily on the various databases of
Ancestry.com and very little on the DNA features.  That is one reason I
suggested you step in the breach and do something on DNA at Ancestry.

In addition being a transition, I suggested that your discussion could
permit time for followon questions from your December presentation.

Rather than a lecture in November,I conducted more of a workshop Y-DNA
and did everything live on the Internet. It was purposefully very
elementary for some of our members who have been askingfor such a
presentation. Although I had a plan available but did not use any
handouts, but rather just went along with questions.  I just logged on
to my personal account and looked at the various features while
explaining the details.  For example, I explained haplotype and then
went into what an STR was and associated complications. I sent into
haplotree explaining what a SNP was.  I stayed on each feature until
either the questions ran out or a question lead us to another feature.
I got several expressions of appreciation, especially from those who had
been asking for beginner sessions. I have ask Bob to do a similar
presentation of using the databases of Ancestry.com

In December you presented a well received presentation of using the
results of autosomal tests, but did not discuss the interfaces to the
autosomal data itself.  I have made such presentations in the past, but
not as a workshop. Perhaps, you could do a workshop on accessing the
autosomal data.  We don't need as muc background as you presented in
December, but start by simply logging into an account and start
accessing data, explaining what you find.  As I told Bob, I would be
glad to expose my account and would even do the keyboarding you you can
just talkand tell me what feature to go to next.  I now have autosomal
data at 12aandMe, FTDNA, and Ancestry, but Iam still learning.  (For
years, I have concentrated in developing phylogenies and doing other
basic research for mtDNA Haplogroup J and Tand have neglected my own
geneaology. I just getting back to it.)

What to you think?

Jim

====================
J. J. (Jim) Logan
Group Administrator, J-mtDNA and Logan DNA Projects at FTDNA
Moderator, J-mtDNA and GenGen-NV Discussion Groups on Yahoo
===================================================================

On 12/17/2012 10:41 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote:
>
> I'd be happy to - got it on my calendar
>
> Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime!
>
> On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:08 PM, "J. J. (Jim) Logan" <jjlnv@...
> <mailto:jjlnv%40comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> > Jim:
> >
> > I have Nell Hurley making a presentation on January 2 on a surname
> > project. Bob McLaren is now scheduled to do a walk through of
> > Ancestry.com on March 6. This leaves open February 6. Perhaps you could
> > lead a discussion of atDNA at Ancestry on that date as a transition
> > between your December presentation and Bob's Ancestry presentation.
> This
> > could also permit follow up questions from last meeting. Then in May
> > and June we could finish the program year with GEDmatch and
> FamilySearch.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ====================
> > J. J. (Jim) Logan
> > Group Administrator, J-mtDNA and Logan DNA Projects at FTDNA
> > Moderator, J-mtDNA and GenGen-NV Discussion Groups on Yahoo
> > ===================================================================
> >
> > On 12/9/2012 1:57 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote:
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> Thanks for the kind words. It appears my goal of reaching
> >> genealogists, without needing much biology, is beginning to take shape.
> >>
> >> As I indicated in my talk, I have about 500 additional autosomal
> >> Matches at GEDmatch. I have used several of their utilities, and
> >> worked out several download processes using their data. I'd be glad to
> >> lead, or help, with a presentation on GEDmatch. I haven't used all of
> >> their features yet.
> >>
> >> I've also tested autosomal DNA at Ancestry. I can make some screen
> >> shots and go over their process (very good tools to find Common
> >> Ancestors; but NO DNA data). I could talk/help on AncesrtyDNA too.
> >>
> >> The important thing is for genealogists to become comfortable and
> >> skilled using the DNA tools - it will help us all. So thanks to you
> >> for providing this forum.
> >>
> >> Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime!
> >>
> >> On Dec 9, 2012, at 1:25 PM, "J. J. (Jim) Logan" <jjlnv@...
> <mailto:jjlnv%40comcast.net>
> >> <mailto:jjlnv%40comcast.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Greetings:
> >>>
> >>> In most of our meetings, we have concentrated on the tools of gemetic
> >>> senealogy and their application in various projects. As was emphasized
> >>> in Jim Bartletts excellent briefing this week, these tools help you
> >> find
> >>> relatives but generally do not tell you what the relationship actually
> >>> is. You still have to use conventional genealogy to develop family
> >>> trees and compare these trees to find specific common ancestors.
> >>>
> >>> I would like to schedule a series of meetings on the tools to help in
> >>> comparing genealogies and would like your help as contributors. For
> >>> example, I have never used GEDmatch and would be very appreciative if
> >>> someone would volunteer to demonstrate its use and lead a discussion.
> >>> Similarly, I am a former Ancestry.com subscriber but let my
> >> subscription
> >>> expire several years age. They have extensive resources to help you
> >>> extend you ancestry. Furthermore, have thousands of family trees that
> >>> you can tap into to find common ancestors and/or cousins that can help
> >>> with your research. I would appreciate a volunteer to lead me and
> >>> others by the hand to make good use of Ancestry.com.
> >>>
> >>> There are, of course, many other examples. Please help me identify
> >>> these resources, contribute you expertise (even if it is limited) in
> >>> helping us getting started in using these resources.
> >>>
> >>> You are encourages to post your ideas and suggestions to this mail
> list
> >>> for all to see and thus stimulate further discussion. You are also
> >>> welcome to volunteer here and solicit collaborators. I would also be
> >>> glad to correspond privately when that is appropriate.
> >>>
> >>> This group was established to be a cooperative self help group. Its
> >>> future direction is largely up to you.
> >>>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ====================
> >>> J. J. (Jim) Logan
> >>> Group Administrator, J-mtDNA and Logan DNA Projects at FTDNA
> >>> Moderator, J-mtDNA and GenGen-NV Discussion Groups on Yahoo
> >>> ============================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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#236 From: "J. J. (Jim) Logan" <jjlnv@...>
Date: Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:14 pm
Subject: Re: Back to genealogy 		jjlogan0
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GenGen group.

My last email was meant to be private to Jim Bartlett; I did mean it to
go public. But now that it did, comments from other members are welcome.
The Special Interest Group is for the benefit of its members and your
input is appropriate.

Jim

====================
J. J. (Jim) Logan
Group Administrator, J-mtDNA and Logan DNA Projects at FTDNA
Moderator, J-mtDNA and GenGen-NV Discussion Groups on Yahoo
===================================================================

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#237 From: Bob Epp <rober_epp09@...>
Date: Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:18 pm
Subject: Re: Back to genealogy 		rober_epp09
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Jim:

 

I like the direction that you are going!  Keep up the good work.

 

I have been trying to get Paul Svercl on your distro list; please add him from the above address line!



Bob Epp
Epp Surname Researcher
DNA Project: www.ftdna.com
703-475-6233


From: "J. J. (Jim) Logan" <jjlnv@...>
To: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 4:14:50 PM
Subject: Re: [GenGen-NV] Back to genealogy

 

GenGen group.

My last email was meant to be private to Jim Bartlett; I did mean it to
go public. But now that it did, comments from other members are welcome.
The Special Interest Group is for the benefit of its members and your
input is appropriate.

Jim

====================
J. J. (Jim) Logan
Group Administrator, J-mtDNA and Logan DNA Projects at FTDNA
Moderator, J-mtDNA and GenGen-NV Discussion Groups on Yahoo
===================================================================


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#238 From: "J. J. (Jim) Logan" <jjlnv@...>
Date: Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:38 pm
Subject: Re: Back to genealogy 		jjlogan0
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Thanks for the endorsement, Bob.  I know you moved away from us, but you
are welcome back to our meetings any time.

Jim

====================
J. J. (Jim) Logan
Group Administrator, J-mtDNA and Logan DNA Projects at FTDNA
Moderator, J-mtDNA and GenGen-NV Discussion Groups on Yahoo
===================================================================

On 12/24/2012 4:18 PM, Bob Epp wrote:
>
> Jim:
>
> I like the direction that you are going!  Keep up the good work.
>
> I have been trying to get Paul Svercl on your distro list; please add
> him from the above address line!
>
>
>
> Bob Epp
> Epp Surname Researcher
> DNA Project: www.ftdna.com
> 703-475-6233
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"J. J. (Jim) Logan" <jjlnv@...>
> *To: *GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent: *Monday, December 24, 2012 4:14:50 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [GenGen-NV] Back to genealogy
>
> GenGen group.
>
> My last email was meant to be private to Jim Bartlett; I did mean it to
> go public. But now that it did, comments from other members are welcome.
> The Special Interest Group is for the benefit of its members and your
> input is appropriate.
>
> Jim
>
> ====================
> J. J. (Jim) Logan
> Group Administrator, J-mtDNA and Logan DNA Projects at FTDNA
> Moderator, J-mtDNA and GenGen-NV Discussion Groups on Yahoo
> ===================================================================
>
>

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#239 From: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:07 am
Subject: Regular Monthly Meeting - Petticrew Pedigrees: A case study combining traditional and genetic genealogy. , 1/2/2013, 7:00 pm 		GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
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Date:   Wednesday January 2, 2013
Time:   7:00 pm - 9:00 pm
Location:   Library, Kilmer Middle School, Vienna, VA
Notes:   Nell Hurley will present work she and Bill Howard have done in applying DNA test results to the Pettgrew project.
 
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#240 From: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2013 12:05 am
Subject: Regular Monthly Meeting - Petticrew Pedigrees: A case study combining traditional and genetic genealogy. , 1/2/2013, 7:00 pm 		GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
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Title:   Regular Monthly Meeting - Petticrew Pedigrees: A case study combining traditional and genetic genealogy.
 
Date:   Wednesday January 2, 2013
Time:   7:00 pm - 9:00 pm
Location:   Library, Kilmer Middle School, Vienna, VA
Notes:   Nell Hurley will present work she and Bill Howard have done in applying DNA test results to the Pettgrew project.
 
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#241 From: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:09 am
Subject: Regular Monthly Meeting - Autosomal DNA testing and management of results, 2/6/2013, 7:00 pm 		GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
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Date:   Wednesday February 6, 2013
Time:   7:00 pm - 9:00 pm (GMT-05.00) Eastern Time (US Canada)
Location:   Library, Kilmer Middle School, Vienna, VA
Notes:   In the December meeting, Jim Bartlett went into great detail about about finding autosomal DNA matches at sites like 23andMe and FTDNA, then analyzing those matches, and keeping track of details. This month, he will do a follow-on and discuss the testing process at Ancestry.com, FTDNA, and 23ancMe and the DNA features of each of these sites. This will be another opportunity to ask questions and autosomal DNA.
 
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#242 From: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2013 12:08 am
Subject: Regular Monthly Meeting - Autosomal DNA testing and management of results, 2/6/2013, 7:00 pm 		GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
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Date:   Wednesday February 6, 2013
Time:   7:00 pm - 9:00 pm (GMT-05.00) Eastern Time (US Canada)
Location:   Library, Kilmer Middle School, Vienna, VA
Notes:   In the December meeting, Jim Bartlett went into great detail about about finding autosomal DNA matches at sites like 23andMe and FTDNA, then analyzing those matches, and keeping track of details. This month, he will do a follow-on and discuss the testing process at Ancestry.com, FTDNA, and 23ancMe and the DNA features of each of these sites. This will be another opportunity to ask questions and autosomal DNA.
 
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#243 From: "Bill Howard" <weh8@...>
Date: Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:58 pm
Subject: Comparing the FTDNA Tip Predictions with the RCC TMRCA predictions 		wehoward
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I have just put the near finishing touches on a paper entitled:

A Comparative Analysis of the RCC Correlation and FamilyTreeDNA TiPTM
Probability Approaches for Estimating the Time to the Most Recent Common
Ancestor of a Pair of Y-DNA Haplotypes.

You can review it at:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/59120192/Genealogy/Papers/TipPaper.pdf

I have sent it to Bennett Greenspan suggesting to him that if he were to show it
to his staff and his expert consultants, and if they would have any comments on
the analysis, I would be pleased to consider incorporating them into changes in
the paper, or to add some appropriate comments in endnotes, etc.

I very much appreciate the discussions I have had with some members of this
GenGen group, and particularly with Sidney Sachs and Elizabeth Waltman as the
analysis progressed. Nell Hurley kindly sent me information on her Pettygrews
and Linda McKee sent me information on her Kee and McKees.

I would be very pleased if any member of this GenGen forum will send me their
own comments and I will treat them in the same way as whatever FTDNA sends me.

Sincerely, Bill Howard

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#244 From: kevincamp@...
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: Comparative Analysis of the RCC Correlation 		kdcampbe
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Bill,.
 
The paper looks very interesting and well written.  I look forward to spending some time with it.
 
- Kevin Campbell
 

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#245 From: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:00 am
Subject: Regular Monthly Meeting - Ancestry.Com for Genetic Genealogists, 3/6/2013, 7:00 pm 		GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
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Date:   Wednesday March 6, 2013
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Location:   Library, Kilmer Middle School, Vienna, VA
Notes:   We have been looking at various kinds of DNA tests, analysis/comparisons of results, etc. Bob McLaren is now going to help us to find common ancestors through Ancestry.com
 
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#246 From: "Bob Mclaren" <bobmclaren@...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:23 am
Subject: RE: Regular Monthly Meeting - Ancestry.Com for Genetic Genealogists, 3/6/2013, 7:00 pm 		bobmclarenva
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I will have a short presentation Showing what Ancestry.com has.  After that, I will be on the internet on the Ancestry.com website showing examples.  If anyone wants to bring a problem, I can try to show how to tackle it.  No guaranties!!

 

Yours aye,

 

Bob

 

From: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:01 PM
To: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [GenGen-NV] Regular Monthly Meeting - Ancestry.Com for Genetic Genealogists, 3/6/2013, 7:00 pm

 




Reminder from:

 

GenGen-NV Yahoo! Group

 

Title:

 

Regular Monthly Meeting - Ancestry.Com for Genetic Genealogists

 

Date:

 

Wednesday March 6, 2013

Time:

 

7:00 pm - 9:00 pm (GMT-05.00) Eastern Time (US & Canada)

Location:

 

Library, Kilmer Middle School, Vienna, VA

Notes:

 

We have been looking at various kinds of DNA tests, analysis/comparisons of results, etc. Bob McLaren is now going to help us to find common ancestors through Ancestry.com

 

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#247 From: "Linda MacLachlan" <ggrandmac@...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:05 pm
Subject: RE: Regular Monthly Meeting - Ancestry.Com for Genetic Genealogists, 3/6/2013, 7:00 pm 		fairfaxsigco...
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Bob:

My problem:

I put my son’s markers up on Ancestry when they first invited such. How can I find them and see if he has any Y-matches.

Thanks,

Linda

 

 

From: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Mclaren
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To: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [GenGen-NV] Regular Monthly Meeting - Ancestry.Com for Genetic Genealogists, 3/6/2013, 7:00 pm

 

 

I will have a short presentation Showing what Ancestry.com has.  After that, I will be on the internet on the Ancestry.com website showing examples.  If anyone wants to bring a problem, I can try to show how to tackle it.  No guaranties!!

 

Yours aye,

 

Bob

 

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Date:

 

Wednesday March 6, 2013

Time:

 

7:00 pm - 9:00 pm (GMT-05.00) Eastern Time (US & Canada)

Location:

 

Library, Kilmer Middle School, Vienna, VA

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#248 From: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2013 12:00 am
Subject: Regular Monthly Meeting - Ancestry.Com for Genetic Genealogists, 3/6/2013, 7:00 pm 		GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
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#249 From: "J. J. (Jim) Logan" <jjlnv@...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2013 1:22 am
Subject: Snow Policy for GenGen-NV 		jjlogan0
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Note: This meeting is subject to cancellation.

If Fairfax County Schools close, then we will not meet.

I will reassess the situation in the morning and may cancel whether or not schools close.

Jim
 
====================
J. J. (Jim) Logan
Group Administrator, J-mtDNA and Logan DNA Projects at FTDNA
Moderator, J-mtDNA and GenGen-NV Discussion Groups on Yahoo
===================================================================
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Title:   Regular Monthly Meeting - Ancestry.Com for Genetic Genealogists
 
Date:   Wednesday March 6, 2013
Time:   7:00 pm - 9:00 pm (GMT-05.00) Eastern Time (US & Canada)
Location:   Library, Kilmer Middle School, Vienna, VA
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#250 From: "J. J. (Jim) Logan" <jjlnv@...>
Date: Wed Mar 6, 2013 11:21 am
Subject: Cancelled -- Genetic Genealogy Meeting 		jjlogan0
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Cancelled

The Genetic Genealogy meeting scheduled for Wednesday March 6 is cancelled.

Jim
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On 3/5/2013 8:22 PM, J. J. (Jim) Logan wrote:
Note: This meeting is subject to cancellation.

If Fairfax County Schools close, then we will not meet.

I will reassess the situation in the morning and may cancel whether or not schools close.

Jim
 
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On 3/5/2013 7:00 PM, GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Reminder from:   GenGen-NV Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Regular Monthly Meeting - Ancestry.Com for Genetic Genealogists
 
Date:   Wednesday March 6, 2013
Time:   7:00 pm - 9:00 pm (GMT-05.00) Eastern Time (US & Canada)
Location:   Library, Kilmer Middle School, Vienna, VA
Notes:   We have been looking at various kinds of DNA tests, analysis/comparisons of results, etc. Bob McLaren is now going to help us to find common ancestors through Ancestry.com
 
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#251 From: "Thomas" <tweingart@...>
Date: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:06 am
Subject: Help with y-DNA analysis 		weingart_t
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Hi everyone,

I was curious if anyone can comment on some y-DNA results from my DNA project
(Reference:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/weingart/default.aspx?section=yresults )

I recently received y-DNA results back from my 5th cousin.  According to our
respective family trees, we trace back to the same 4th great-grandfather.  Below
are differences we have:

For the first 12 markers we match 12 for 12.
At the 25 marker level everything matches except for

DYS459
my Kit 40543: 9-10
my cousin's Kit 269385: 9-9

DYS464
my Kit 40543: 11-12-14-15-16
my cousin's Kit 269385: 11-12-12-14-14-15-15-16

At the 37 marker level there is a difference at

DYS-CDY
my Kit 40543: 35-41
my cousin's Kit 269385: 34-35

The difference at DYS459 is not extraordinary.

However, I don't know how I should interpret the differences at DYS464 and
DYS-CDY.  If the paper trail that my cousin and I have is correct, would such
diverse differences occur?

When the next sale occurs, I think I should upgrade to the 67 marker or the 111
marker level.

Thanks for any insight – I appreciate it very much.

- Tom Weingart

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#252 From: "Bob Mclaren" <bobmclaren@...>
Date: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:25 am
Subject: RE: Help with y-DNA analysis 		bobmclarenva
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Tom,

 

First the DYS#464 results.  I suspect that your 464 results are not correct.  DYS #464 is a very difficult one to read.  So, I suspect what happened is that they had some trouble reading yours and misjudged the peaks.

 

CDYa/b is highly unusual.  This is a marker with a very high mutation rate, so differences between relatives is not unusual.  However, the amount of difference in your case is unusual.

 

I would contact FTDNA and ask them to reexamine 464 and CDY for you and your cousin.  Is there is still a difference at 464, I would do a 646x test on both of you.  This will read the correct number of duplicates.

 

Yours aye,

 

Bob McLaren

 

From: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:07 AM
To: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [GenGen-NV] Help with y-DNA analysis

 

  Hi everyone,

I was curious if anyone can comment on some y-DNA results from my DNA project (Reference: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/weingart/default.aspx?section=yresults )

I recently received y-DNA results back from my 5th cousin. According to our respective family trees, we trace back to the same 4th great-grandfather. Below are differences we have:

For the first 12 markers we match 12 for 12.
At the 25 marker level everything matches except for

DYS459
my Kit 40543: 9-10
my cousin's Kit 269385: 9-9

DYS464
my Kit 40543: 11-12-14-15-16
my cousin's Kit 269385: 11-12-12-14-14-15-15-16

At the 37 marker level there is a difference at

DYS-CDY
my Kit 40543: 35-41
my cousin's Kit 269385: 34-35

The difference at DYS459 is not extraordinary.

However, I don't know how I should interpret the differences at DYS464 and DYS-CDY. If the paper trail that my cousin and I have is correct, would such diverse differences occur?

When the next sale occurs, I think I should upgrade to the 67 marker or the 111 marker level.

Thanks for any insight – I appreciate it very much.

- Tom Weingart


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#253 From: "Thomas" <tweingart@...>
Date: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:47 am
Subject: Re: Help with y-DNA analysis 		weingart_t
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Hi everyone,

Looking at FTDNA's website, I believe I should use the infinite allele
comparison method to interpret the results.
(Reference: http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/default.aspx?faqid=9#939 )

Thus, DYS459 would be considered a mismatch and would be interpreted as a
Genetic Distance of 1.  Is this correct?

The DYS464 differences would be considered a palindromic copy number change
where one kit is DYS464abcde and the other kit is DYS464abcdefgh.  This would be
interpreted as a Genetic Distance of 3.  Is this correct?

DYS-CDY would be also be considered a mismatch and would be interpreted as a
Genetic Distance of 1.  Is this correct?

Thus, the total Genetic Distance between the two kits would be 5.  Is this
correct?

Does this indicate that my cousin and I are descended from the same male
ancestor?

Thanks for any insight?

-Tom Weingart








--- In GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mclaren" <bobmclaren@...> wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
>
>
> First the DYS#464 results.  I suspect that your 464 results are not correct.
> DYS #464 is a very difficult one to read.  So, I suspect what happened is
> that they had some trouble reading yours and misjudged the peaks.
>
>
>
> CDYa/b is highly unusual.  This is a marker with a very high mutation rate,
> so differences between relatives is not unusual.  However, the amount of
> difference in your case is unusual.
>
>
>
> I would contact FTDNA and ask them to reexamine 464 and CDY for you and your
> cousin.  Is there is still a difference at 464, I would do a 646x test on
> both of you.  This will read the correct number of duplicates.
>
>
>
> Yours aye,
>
>
>
> Bob McLaren
>
>
>
> From: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Thomas
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:07 AM
> To: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [GenGen-NV] Help with y-DNA analysis
>
>
>
>   Hi everyone,
>
> I was curious if anyone can comment on some y-DNA results from my DNA
> project (Reference:
> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/weingart/default.aspx?section=yresults )
>
>
> I recently received y-DNA results back from my 5th cousin. According to our
> respective family trees, we trace back to the same 4th great-grandfather.
> Below are differences we have:
>
> For the first 12 markers we match 12 for 12.
> At the 25 marker level everything matches except for
>
> DYS459
> my Kit 40543: 9-10
> my cousin's Kit 269385: 9-9
>
> DYS464
> my Kit 40543: 11-12-14-15-16
> my cousin's Kit 269385: 11-12-12-14-14-15-15-16
>
> At the 37 marker level there is a difference at
>
> DYS-CDY
> my Kit 40543: 35-41
> my cousin's Kit 269385: 34-35
>
> The difference at DYS459 is not extraordinary.
>
> However, I don't know how I should interpret the differences at DYS464 and
> DYS-CDY. If the paper trail that my cousin and I have is correct, would such
> diverse differences occur?
>
> When the next sale occurs, I think I should upgrade to the 67 marker or the
> 111 marker level.
>
> Thanks for any insight - I appreciate it very much.
>
> - Tom Weingart
>

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#254 From: "sidneysachs@..." <sidneysachs@...>
Date: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:54 am
Subject: Re: Help with y-DNA analysis 		sidneysachs
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Tom,
 
For 5th cousins, about 20% of the times, one would get with 3 markers off.  What I found with your value on 464 is that you have an odd number of copies.  I think  I never saw that before. 
 
About updating to more markers, I do not think that is what I would do.  I think checking your cousin on the SNP M458 that defined you as R1a1a1g may be the better way of getting  your answer.

Sidney Sachs

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Thomas" <tweingart@...>
To: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [GenGen-NV] Help with y-DNA analysis
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 04:06:54 -0000

 

Hi everyone,

I was curious if anyone can comment on some y-DNA results from my DNA project (Reference: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/weingart/default.aspx?section=yresults )

I recently received y-DNA results back from my 5th cousin. According to our respective family trees, we trace back to the same 4th great-grandfather. Below are differences we have:

For the first 12 markers we match 12 for 12.
At the 25 marker level everything matches except for

DYS459
my Kit 40543: 9-10
my cousin's Kit 269385: 9-9

DYS464
my Kit 40543: 11-12-14-15-16
my cousin's Kit 269385: 11-12-12-14-14-15-15-16

At the 37 marker level there is a difference at

DYS-CDY
my Kit 40543: 35-41
my cousin's Kit 269385: 34-35

The difference at DYS459 is not extraordinary.

However, I don't know how I should interpret the differences at DYS464 and DYS-CDY. If the paper trail that my cousin and I have is correct, would such diverse differences occur?

When the next sale occurs, I think I should upgrade to the 67 marker or the 111 marker level.

Thanks for any insight � I appreciate it very much.

- Tom Weingart

 



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#255 From: "Thomas" <tweingart@...>
Date: Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:10 pm
Subject: Re: Help with y-DNA analysis 		weingart_t
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Bob,

Thanks for the advice.  After I posted the message here, I sent a message to the
FTDNA's helpdesk addressing the issue and asked for their advice.

- Tom

--- In GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Mclaren" <bobmclaren@...> wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
>
>
> First the DYS#464 results.  I suspect that your 464 results are not correct.
> DYS #464 is a very difficult one to read.  So, I suspect what happened is
> that they had some trouble reading yours and misjudged the peaks.
>
>
>
> CDYa/b is highly unusual.  This is a marker with a very high mutation rate,
> so differences between relatives is not unusual.  However, the amount of
> difference in your case is unusual.
>
>
>
> I would contact FTDNA and ask them to reexamine 464 and CDY for you and your
> cousin.  Is there is still a difference at 464, I would do a 646x test on
> both of you.  This will read the correct number of duplicates.
>
>
>
> Yours aye,
>
>
>
> Bob McLaren
>
>
>
> From: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Thomas
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:07 AM
> To: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [GenGen-NV] Help with y-DNA analysis
>
>
>
>   Hi everyone,
>
> I was curious if anyone can comment on some y-DNA results from my DNA
> project (Reference:
> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/weingart/default.aspx?section=yresults )
>
>
> I recently received y-DNA results back from my 5th cousin. According to our
> respective family trees, we trace back to the same 4th great-grandfather.
> Below are differences we have:
>
> For the first 12 markers we match 12 for 12.
> At the 25 marker level everything matches except for
>
> DYS459
> my Kit 40543: 9-10
> my cousin's Kit 269385: 9-9
>
> DYS464
> my Kit 40543: 11-12-14-15-16
> my cousin's Kit 269385: 11-12-12-14-14-15-15-16
>
> At the 37 marker level there is a difference at
>
> DYS-CDY
> my Kit 40543: 35-41
> my cousin's Kit 269385: 34-35
>
> The difference at DYS459 is not extraordinary.
>
> However, I don't know how I should interpret the differences at DYS464 and
> DYS-CDY. If the paper trail that my cousin and I have is correct, would such
> diverse differences occur?
>
> When the next sale occurs, I think I should upgrade to the 67 marker or the
> 111 marker level.
>
> Thanks for any insight - I appreciate it very much.
>
> - Tom Weingart
>

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#256 From: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:02 pm
Subject: Regular Monthly Meeting - GedMatch for the Genetic Genealogist, 4/3/2013, 7:00 pm 		GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
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Reminder from:   GenGen-NV Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Regular Monthly Meeting - GedMatch for the Genetic Genealogist
 
Date:   Wednesday April 3, 2013
Time:   7:00 pm - 9:00 pm (GMT-05.00) Eastern Time (US Canada)
Location:   Library, Kilmer Middle School, Vienna, VA
Notes:   Jim Bartlett will return and lead discussion of GenMatch. This is a facility whereby you can upload your Family Tree and/or your Autosomal DNA results and compare them with others who have done similarly.
 
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#257 From: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue Apr 2, 2013 11:08 pm
Subject: Regular Monthly Meeting - GedMatch for the Genetic Genealogist, 4/3/2013, 7:00 pm 		GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
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Reminder from:   GenGen-NV Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Regular Monthly Meeting - GedMatch for the Genetic Genealogist
 
Date:   Wednesday April 3, 2013
Time:   7:00 pm - 9:00 pm (GMT-05.00) Eastern Time (US Canada)
Location:   Library, Kilmer Middle School, Vienna, VA
Notes:   Jim Bartlett will return and lead discussion of GenMatch. This is a facility whereby you can upload your Family Tree and/or your Autosomal DNA results and compare them with others who have done similarly.
 
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#258 From: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:10 pm
Subject: Regular Monthly Meeting - FamilySearch and Family History Centers, 5/1/2013, 7:00 pm 		GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
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Title:   Regular Monthly Meeting - FamilySearch and Family History Centers
 
Date:   Wednesday May 1, 2013
Time:   7:00 pm - 9:00 pm (GMT-05.00) Eastern Time (US Canada)
Location:   Classroom B106, Kilmer Middle School, Vienna, VA
Notes:   Linda McLaughlin will lead discussion of features of the new Family Tree features of Family Search to support you genealogy research. She is also a volunteer at one of the Family History Centers and can answer questions concerning these facilities.

Note: Class room is across hall from Library
 
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#259 From: GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Regular Monthly Meeting - FamilySearch and Family History Centers, 5/1/2013, 7:00 pm 		GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
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Title:   Regular Monthly Meeting - FamilySearch and Family History Centers
 
Date:   Wednesday May 1, 2013
Time:   7:00 pm - 9:00 pm (GMT-05.00) Eastern Time (US Canada)
Location:   Classroom B106, Kilmer Middle School, Vienna, VA
Notes:   Linda McLaughlin will lead discussion of features of the new Family Tree features of Family Search to support you genealogy research. She is also a volunteer at one of the Family History Centers and can answer questions concerning these facilities.

Note: Class room is across hall from Library
 
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#260 From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2013 1:32 am
Subject: Re: Regular Monthly Meeting - FamilySearch and Family History Centers, 5/1/2013, 7:00 pm 		jnoaccounts
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Looking for a DNA speaker on 27 or 28 Sep 2013 near Winchester, VA - it's a CARTER family reunion. Please see who might do this. I originally agreed to do this, but an important family conflict has come up. I can provide the PowerPoint presentation, if desired. 

Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime!

On Apr 30, 2013, at 7:08 PM, GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com wrote:

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Title:   Regular Monthly Meeting - FamilySearch and Family History Centers
 
Date:   Wednesday May 1, 2013
Time:   7:00 pm - 9:00 pm (GMT-05.00) Eastern Time (US & Canada)
Location:   Classroom B106, Kilmer Middle School, Vienna, VA
Notes:   Linda McLaughlin will lead discussion of features of the new Family Tree features of Family Search to support you genealogy research. She is also a volunteer at one of the Family History Centers and can answer questions concerning these facilities.

Note: Class room is across hall from Library
 
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